96 Hours Of Open Source Talks In Bangalore

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96 Hours Of Open Source Talks In Bangalore

Posted by timothy on Tuesday December 2, 2003 @08:11PM from the bring-no-doz dept.

nileshch writes "The ongoing community-driven Linux Bangalore 2003 is upto a record of sorts. There are, hold your breath, 96 scheduled talks. That's about 96 hours of open-source talk in three days! The first day with 30 talks is already over with star speakers like Nat Friedman, Miguel De Icaza and Sirtaj Singh Kang enthralling the audience with their refreshing perspectives on Linux and Open Source. Rasmus Lerdorf and Jeremy Zawodny of Yahoo! Inc, amongst others, are also scheduled to talk at the event."

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Weird place to have it by Pingular · 2003-12-02 20:14 · Score: 1, Insightful

You don't really see Bangalore as being the Capital of Open Source, I would have thought a more appropriate place would be Finland.

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1. Re:Weird place to have it by slavitos · 2003-12-02 20:17 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Doesn't seem too weird to me. If I am not mistaken, Bangalore already has more software engineers than Silicon Valley.
  Re: Finland comment. A Finnish-based electronic musician Vladislav Delay once noted that Finland was a country where "like, 500 people listen to jazz".
2. Re:Weird place to have it by Copley · 2003-12-02 20:18 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  The capital of curry source maybe?
  
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3. Re:Weird place to have it by pairo · 2003-12-02 20:22 · Score: 1
  
  Uh... Why would Finland of all places be the Capital of Open Source?
4. Re:Weird place to have it by dankdirk77 · 2003-12-02 20:34 · Score: 1, Funny
  
  You know that guy... Jonne Valtonen (Purple Motion)? he was from Finland... or was that something else....?
  
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5. Re:Weird place to have it by BetterThanCaesar · 2003-12-02 20:48 · Score: 1, Funny
  
  I think the Leningrad Cowboys have contributed profusely to Open Source.
  
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6. Re:Weird place to have it by jussikin · 2003-12-02 22:13 · Score: 1, Funny
  
  Finland is good place to freeze your balls!. I mean winter here kills. And not talking about those penguins and polarbears all over the place. Bangalore is propably much better, at least your piss wont freeze before it hits ground.
  
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7. Re:Weird place to have it by lokedhs · 2003-12-02 22:52 · Score: 1
  
  Elwood is finnish too.
  I'd say he's at least as good as Purple Motion.
8. Re:Weird place to have it by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-03 00:55 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  "You don't really see Bangalore as being the Capital of Open Source, I would have thought a more appropriate place would be Finland."
  
  Why? The person who wrote most of the open-source operating system was born in america.
like the song... by wrinkledshirt · 2003-12-02 20:14 · Score: 5, Funny

96 Hours Of Open Source Talks In Bangalore! 96 Hours Of Open Source Talks...!

Take a poster of Darl down, kick it around...

95 Hours of Open Source Talks in Bangalore!

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Re:Hrm by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-02 20:23 · Score: 1, Funny

Unless you're already in Bangalore studying, you don't have to worry about being sent to conferences. You'll have a hard enough time trying to remember if the order was a double or triple skinny grande mocha latte.
Dont fear the curry by dankdirk77 · 2003-12-02 20:23 · Score: 4, Insightful

I hear whining from people all the time about jobs going to India, but news like this I hope can make at least the real slashdot crowd aware of the good going on there.

India is a natural ally of the united states because it is one of the few stable democracies in the region. The people are diverse, smart, conservative, and could potentially join us with japan as the new rulers of the world.

May open source flourish in that country!!!

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1. Re:Dont fear the curry by Copley · 2003-12-02 20:35 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Agreed... Everytime the topics of Indian software / service centres / whatever come up (and it's more and more often these days), comments appear which seem to imply that the products supplied will inherently be 2nd rate... Does anyone have any evidence to base this on?! Just because products is not coming from the good ol' US of A doesn't necessarily mean it's crap!
  
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2. Re:Dont fear the curry by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-02 20:50 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  Yes!, continue to believe that, just like Japonese made steel sucks, and Chinese manufactured goods suck, and how all heavy industrial products from Korea suck.
3. Re:Dont fear the curry by Copley · 2003-12-02 21:00 · Score: 1
  
  No, not difficult...
  
  Just wanted him to confirm his small-minded ignorance!
  
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4. Re:Dont fear the curry by Funkdoobier · 2003-12-02 22:04 · Score: 1
  
  ...and could potentially join us with japan as the new rulers of the world.
  
  This is the most arrogant thing I've ever heard an American say, and I've watched Bush's speeches. Has it occured to anyone in this god damn country that the rest of the world is getting fed up with us assuming that we are at the top of the food chain from now until eternity?
5. Re:Dont fear the curry by PurpleWizard · 2003-12-02 22:48 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  My experience in the Power Industry (high voltage power transmission and related electric infrastructure stuff) is that the engineers are superb.Individual work at least as good as the UK staff I worked with.
  What was lacking was good procedures and best practice working methods, along with overall project management. Once those started to be in place the products started to be as good too.
  To put it in context look around you and grade the dedication and motivation of yourself and your coworkers. If it is less than 9/10 you will rapidly be at risk from over seas. They are as clever, they are as well educated (maybe better because of the dedication) and they are much more motivated and dedicated.
6. Re:Dont fear the curry by PurpleWizard · 2003-12-02 22:51 · Score: 1
  
  And I don't think they have the same level of problems with industrial action because the employees don't like the latest colour scheme in the toilets!!!
7. Re:Dont fear the curry by panurge · 2003-12-03 02:42 · Score: 1
  
  apart from the obvious question of what makes being conservative a good thing (or do you think that burning brides for their dowries is just a quaint ethnic folkway?), India has elected Communist state governments in the past. One of my most eye-opening experiences, in fact, was being taken round Mumbai by a Communist councillor and getting a first hand view on the difference between US lunatic fringe communism, Russo/chinese dictatorship communism, and genuinely elected communism...
  Just because a section of the Indian middle class is prepared to work with the US for their own gain, just as they did with the British, does not mean that they will continue to do so as soon as they perceive that their advantage lies elsewhere. Whatever makes you think that when the Indian (and Chinese) economies overtake the US in GDP, the US will still be ruling the world? And what makes you think that India is less likely to side instead with the EU, which is currently seen as a more Muslim-friendly bloc than the US? The fear coming off Condoleeza Rice and Rumsfeld just because the EU is starting a tiny military planning unit, is almost palpable. They know how insecure US power really is, in a world which in population terms outnumbers the US and Canada 20 to 1.
  Indian Open Source may be very good for the progress of the software trade and in the short term it will be good for US corporations benefiting from low prices. But ask folk in Pittsburgh what happens in the long term when things are done more cheaply (and better) abroad.
  
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8. Re:Dont fear the curry by frodo+from+middle+ea · 2003-12-03 02:49 · Score: 1
  
  Not to be trolling, but I am real sick of these pretentious so called indians like arundhati roy.
  
  India is a place of many cultures and languages and the dynamics of the region are far too complex. Arundhati does not even live in india , so what gives her or any outsider the right to judge .<P>
  She is just a controversy creating person, I mean how else would all those books of her sell, and how else would she be decorated by the western world ?
  
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9. Re:Dont fear the curry by lemox · 2003-12-03 04:00 · Score: 1
  
  The vast majority of India is not Muslim, and given that they get their fair share of Muslims blowing themselves up in public places, I doubt the EU's "Muslim friendliness" will account for much in their decision of who to align with.
  
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10. Re:Dont fear the curry by vu2lid · 2003-12-03 04:08 · Score: 1
  
  This is nothing unusual:
  
  When inexpensive Japanese elecronics started flooding the market they were considered cheap and unreliable. How about the preception now ? Similarly for goods from Taiwan, Korea, China, ... Probably something similar is happening in the case of India.
11. Re:Dont fear the curry by straybullets · 2003-12-03 21:12 · Score: 1
  
  She speaks the truth.
  The fact that you don't want to hear it is another problem, probably linked to the fact that you profit from what she condemns.
  These "she don't live in India" will not stand against any analysis of what she says and you know it.
  
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12. Re:Dont fear the curry by satyap · 2003-12-04 08:22 · Score: 2
  
  Yes, thank you. I'm really sick of people tarring me with the same brush and calling me a terrorist.
Gotta love the title of this talk by scubacuda · 2003-12-02 20:26 · Score: 1

"Lessons Learnt from a German Potato Salad"
1. Re:Gotta love the title of this talk by The+Cydonian · 2003-12-02 23:12 · Score: 1
  
  The speaker has an blog entry on the event on his home page.
  
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Sirtaj Singh Kang by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-02 20:28 · Score: 1, Funny

> Sirtaj Singh Kang: From hell's heart, I code at thee

KAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN{G}!!!!!
1. Re:Sirtaj Singh Kang by Jacco+de+Leeuw · 2003-12-02 21:36 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  I, for one, welcome our new Bangalore Overlords.
  
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2. Re:Sirtaj Singh Kang by Old+Wolf · 2003-12-03 10:22 · Score: 1
  
  Where does this come from?
  (eg. that potato guy saying "It's a trap" comes from some Lucas movie)
3. Re:Sirtaj Singh Kang by ralphclark · 2003-12-03 11:26 · Score: 1
  
  It has nothing to do with Kang or Kodos. It was from the episode where Homer goes on the Space Shuttle, and the hero of the episode was an "inanimate carbon rod". As far as I recall, neither Kang nor Kodos made an appearance in this episode.
  
  BTW both those alien names are from Star Trek (TOS)...Kang was a Klingon (natch) played by Michael Ansara and Kodos was "Kodos the Executioner", the unfortunate-governor-of-Tarsus-IV-turned-Shakespea rean-actor.
No better place by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-02 20:36 · Score: 1, Interesting

No better place to demonstrate the futility of expensive labor than India, and no better topic to demonstrate the futility of expensive proprietary software than OSS.

You hit the nail on the head.
Re:Really!? by Chairboy · 2003-12-02 20:38 · Score: 1

Wow, I guess you didn't realize that a conference like this usually has multiple conference rooms going simultaneously with overlapping talks.

Me: 1 point
Anonymous Coward: Zero
Re:I'm afraid to say it, but... by tgt · 2003-12-02 20:44 · Score: 1

You are absolutely right. We'd sure as hell entrust our corporate infrastructure to code from someone more suit-able with no head at all :)

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Re:no thanks buddha man by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-02 21:11 · Score: 1, Insightful

> I'd prefer the U.S. be the ONLY ruler of teh world.

Exactly! how else are we going to break international laws and continue to piss off the rest of the world?

> As far as India is concerned, I wouldn't want to live a day in that third-world shit hole.

Yeah! Some places in India don't even have running water, like some places in Tennessee! Shitholes!
You forgot ... by skjaidev · 2003-12-02 21:24 · Score: 3, Interesting

Micro soft ;-)
Conference proceedings or transcripts by Space+cowboy · 2003-12-02 21:40 · Score: 2, Interesting

Is there (or will there be, once it's finished) an online transcript of any of these 96 speeches ? Not necessarily for free (though free would be good :-))

Simon

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1. Re:Conference proceedings or transcripts by crhylove · 2003-12-02 23:36 · Score: 1
  
  yes or how about mp3s? or a torrent to .rm files?
  
  all computer conventions should have these!!!
  
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2. Re:Conference proceedings or transcripts by toolz · 2003-12-03 00:05 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Well, transcripts of 96 talks are kind of difficult. The slides will be up as always after the event.
  
  And for free, of course :)
  
  As in beer.
  
  Check the schedules a couple of days after the event.
  
  If you are interested, you can also check out the slides from LB/2002 and LB/2001.
  
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3. Re:Conference proceedings or transcripts by tuxhack · 2003-12-03 02:35 · Score: 1
  
  Hi, u there... I am still attending the conference.. and as soon as I am back at my office.. some of the talks.. especially those on MySQL and PHP which I had attended will be converted into ogg and uploaded to my server. Probably you should find the links in linux-bangalore.org/2003... also the slides as per the organisers said... will be available there FREE ofcourse.
4. Re:Conference proceedings or transcripts by Space+cowboy · 2003-12-03 02:41 · Score: 1
  
  Cheers :-)
  
  Simon
  
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5. Re:Conference proceedings or transcripts by smchris · 2003-12-04 15:39 · Score: 1
  
  Little late now if the groundwork hasn't been laid, but I would recommend to all involved the format of the '03 Aussie linux conference CD .iso they put together for download. It is thoroughly awesome work.
  
  http://www.linux.org.au/conf/2003/
How the hell... by TheSonicVince · 2003-12-02 21:47 · Score: 1, Funny

...do they fit 96 hours in THREE days (72 hours)?

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1. Re:How the hell... by cioxx · 2003-12-02 22:09 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  ...do they fit 96 hours in THREE days (72 hours)?
  
  With the help of the new LZW time compression algorithm. Why else do you think companies outsource to Bangalore?
2. Re:How the hell... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-02 23:20 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  Actually, they use multiprocessing:
  
  http://linux-bangalore.org/2003/schedules/
3. Re:How the hell... by zhenlin · 2003-12-02 23:45 · Score: 1
  
  I have to inform you of my outrage on the LZW time compression algorithm! It was awarded a patent, but it's clearly a word-for-word copy of the General Theory of Relativity, especially the part about time dilation at high speeds!
  
  Obviously, the USPTO doesn't care about prior art. Even when the author of the prior art was a patent clerk himself!
4. Re:How the hell... by wowbagger · 2003-12-03 01:02 · Score: 1
  
  The same way your local radio stations manage to have a "90% music hour" with 20 minutes of commercials - by overlapping the talks.
  
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5. Re:How the hell... by gavri · 2003-12-03 01:21 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  If you had RTFA, you'd see that those are talks taking place simultaneously in different halls.
  
  Tough luck if both your fav speakers are on at the same time
6. Re:How the hell... by yodha · 2003-12-03 03:06 · Score: 1
  
  Which decade are you in? Forgot multiprocessing? ;-)
7. Re:How the hell... by jelle · 2003-12-03 11:15 · Score: 1
  
  "With the help of the new LZW time compression algorithm. Why else do you think companies outsource to Bangalore?"
  
  Because they don't hate Unisys there yet? Or is it because they call 26 year old things new?
  
  I have some new farting technology for sale, too. It stinks better than the farts you know, and it's patent pending!
  
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8. Re:How the hell... by The+Master+Control+P · 2003-12-03 13:39 · Score: 1
  
  They accelerated India up to relativistic speed :).
Conference talk via Audio-on-Demand? by ivi · 2003-12-02 21:54 · Score: 1

Eg, in the style of the sorely missed
TechNetCast?
1. Re:Conference talk via Audio-on-Demand? by The_Obfuscator · 2003-12-02 21:56 · Score: 1
  
  I sorely miss technetcast. They havn't updated things in quite a while.
Re:This is no surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-02 22:24 · Score: 1, Informative

You mean this fella?
Intelligent and realistic positioning of Linux by cyberjessy · 2003-12-02 22:52 · Score: 5, Informative

I have just come back from Linux Bangalore 2003. One of the most striking things I noticed is that there is hardly any "hardline linux advocacy" at the venue. It focuses well on how linux would fit into today's computing environment, including interoperating with Microsoft Windows.

It is evident from the fact that Mono is given great prominence. Miguel De Icaza is speaking today as well as on friday. A top official from Microsoft (YES Microsoft!) is speaking on how Windows and Linux can co-exist.

In short, a very credible and organized meet of enthusiasts and business users. Hats off to the organizers!

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1. Re:Intelligent and realistic positioning of Linux by watzinaneihm · 2003-12-03 00:09 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  It has to be free of any hardline advocacy since the Indian government is the main sponsor (Ministry of Information and communications from the website).The government seems to follow a policy of "best job for the tool" and are rather neutral when it comes to software.
  
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2. Re:Intelligent and realistic positioning of Linux by wembley · 2003-12-04 08:14 · Score: 1
  
  I think you mean "best tool for the job", not "best job for the tool."
  The latter would be reflective of a lot of consultantcies. "We got this great tool! Now let's alter your problem to make it solveable."
  
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3. Re:Intelligent and realistic positioning of Linux by monzie · 2003-12-04 14:31 · Score: 1
  
  LB/2003 was real good stuff. they took up a moderate view instead of the usual hardline stuff that goes on .. i mean they were realistic and they were good. we must keep in mind that linux for the desktop has not really arrived. it will, but not yet for servers nothing gets even close, as we all know
Not Surprising. by The+Cydonian · 2003-12-02 23:15 · Score: 1

In a way, it was to be expected. considering that MS' IndDev Center at Hyderabad is into development of Services for Unix (SFU).
It'll be interesting, though, to see, say, Steve Ballmer's reaction to the title of the guy's talk. (I'm talking about the first link, obviously)

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Re:96 Hours.. by Argon · 2003-12-02 23:15 · Score: 1

It's like any other show with scheduled talks - five of them go on in parallel. The quality of the talks is very varied, I must say I wasn't quite disappointed with a few of them. I guess I should not be really complaining because the speakers don't get compensated or anything. By the way Bdale Garbee was one of the "star" speakers at the conference. He talked about porting Debian GNU/Linux to the IA64 platform.
Re:I for one welcome our new scheduling overlords by CmdrGravy · 2003-12-03 01:01 · Score: 1

they have more than one talk at same time
Maine has that many? by yecrom2 · 2003-12-03 01:07 · Score: 1

Let's hear it for flannel! You guys need to learn how the name is spelled.

yecrom2.
yes but... by twoslice · 2003-12-03 02:19 · Score: 1

Will there be an "Open" mike to sing it?

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Miguel de Icaza by yodha · 2003-12-03 02:42 · Score: 2, Informative

I attended the Linux Bangalore/2003 event today. After Miguel de Icaza's Mono talk, me and five others had a really long and interesting one-on-one talk with Miguel over lunch. Some photos here. It was really nice to see and interact with some great people over here in Bangalore itself.
Ogg Vorbis files for radio airplay would be good. by jbn-o · 2003-12-03 04:42 · Score: 1

I volunteer at a community radio station (WEFT 90.1 FM) and I host "Digital Citizen", a bi-weekly show (Wednesdays 8-10p) that talks focuses on Free Software, copyright and patent issues, and related topics. I'd be happy to air interesting speeches or discussions from the Bangalore event. Unfortunately I can't make it to Bangalore to record the events myself, but if anyone has Ogg Vorbis files to share, that would be great.

Thanks in advance.

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record and bittorrent'ing talks? by jago25_98 · 2003-12-03 05:16 · Score: 1

Hopefully someone with record and bittorrent the talks?

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Check out their FAQ by bombom · 2003-12-03 06:36 · Score: 1

http://linux-bangalore.org/2003/guides/faq.php

Q: Can I have a copy of the delegate database with email addresses?
A: ROTFL! (Rolling on the floor laughing) NO!

Q: I'll pay you for it!
A: You don't have enough money

Q: I do! I am Bill Gates!
A: You still don't have enough money to make us break our privacy policy.

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Bangalore is an interesting place by appleLaserWriter · 2003-12-03 07:27 · Score: 1

I was surprised to learn that the cost of living is greater in Bangalore than Seattle. If you make $60k a year in Seattle, you need to make $67k in Bangalore to maintain a similar standard of living.

http://www.homefair.com/homefair/servlet/ActionS er vlet?pid=246&previousPage=245&cid=homefair&fromSal ary=60000&fromCity=743&toCity=389

It seems that anyone moving jobs to India is not only taking american jobs away, but also stealing from shareholders by paying an unnecessarily high price for labor.
1. Re:Bangalore is an interesting place by barureddy · 2003-12-03 07:59 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know where you got your numbers for india, but they can not be right. You can build a rather large, even by our american standards, in India for 67 thousand. What kind of house can you get in the US for 67 thousand? Not much. A brand new car there probably cost about $10,000. If you spend more than a $1000 on food a year in india, then you are getting ripped off or eating at a 4-5 star restraunt every day.
  
  A person who makes about $2500 is considered to be making a very good salary and has an above average living.
Bangalores? by Chiisu · 2003-12-03 09:02 · Score: 1

i remember having to fetch those in Medal of Honor
No wonder everyone outsources to bangalore by pardasaniman · 2003-12-03 09:32 · Score: 1

No wonder everyone outsources to bangalore, each day there is %33 longer!

96/3 = 32 hours in a day.... Heck, with that much time in a day, you wonder why it's just software that gets sourced out.
Re:Hrm by CrazyTalk · 2003-12-03 11:08 · Score: 1

Don't worry, once you get a "Real" job you won't have the time (And your company won't have the money to send you) to go to conferences.