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McBride's New Open Letter on Copyrights

dtfinch writes "An open letter was posted today by Darl McBride, where he restates his claim that the GPL violates the U.S. Constitution, patent laws, copyright laws, and the DMCA. Mostly he just builds up a false image of the Free Software Foundation and open source supporters claiming that they have no respect for intellectual property and believe copyrights should be eliminated, then attacks that image, AKA the straw man attack. Nothing we haven't seen before."

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  1. Irony abounds. by cgranade · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hm... Darl McBride writes an open letter. I thought that openness was against the US Constitution, ad nauseum.

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    1. Re:Irony abounds. by saden1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      McBride didn't write it! You can clearly tell the lawyers wrote it and on top of that it was written after it was revealed that several of their employees contributed actively to Linux with management knowledge. They want to distract the press by publishing this letter.

      SCO won't survive the IBM counter claim for sure.

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    2. Re:Irony abounds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Disclaimer: I work in Public Relations.

      That having been said, CEOs and the like never, ever, write press releases themselves. And an open letter is just that -- a press release. Call it whatever you want, but that's the purpose it serves.

      CEOs and CFOs and Presidents and the like don't write letters themselves because writing is generally not what they're good at -- and if they are, that's incidental. Most large corporations have an entire PR department whose only purpose is to handle, wait for it, public relations.

      The mark of any good manager is the ability to delegate responsibility effectively. You may be a fair writer, but if your reputation and your company's are at stake, why not hire an expert?

      For the record, I think Darl McBride is a fscking moron. But the fact that he didn't write the open letter shouldn't come as a surprised to anyone familiar with corporate culture.

    3. Re:Irony abounds. by Urkki · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it's only for investors.

      They couldn't care less about the "Linux license" pocket money. And as it is, all SCO needs is a PR and law departments, so if other employees go away, that would only be convenient. And somehow I don't see him caring the slight bit about what his mom thinks of SCO business practices, either...

    4. Re:Irony abounds. by pjrc · · Score: 4, Informative
      They want to distract the press by publishing this letter.

      Indeed. That's why it was published on Dec 4th... one day before Dec 5th when the judge has scheduled oral arguements the 3 motions to compel discovery (2 by IBM against SCO and 1 by SCO against IBM).

      I'm not going to make predictions about what the judge will say or do tommorrow... but I will predict that this diversionary tactic doesn't prevent coverage of whatever the judge says.

    5. Re:Irony abounds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Disclaimer: I work in Public Relations.

      I find the word "work" and phrase "Public Relations" to be inconsistant with each other.

      I suggest you use the alternative statement, "I lie for money."

    6. Re:Irony abounds. by RoLi · · Score: 4, Interesting
      No, you can't buy a Linux license from SCO because that would be illegal (because of the GPL) so SCO won't sell it to anybody.

      They have stated that "one anonymous Fortune 1000 company" has bought a license and I deeply suspect it's either Microsoft or that holding firm (the Canopy group IIRC)

      There are only 2 groups here:

      • Microsoft must believe SCO is doing a good job at spreading anti-Linux FUD - then they will continue to let money flow to SCO
      • Investors must believe that SCO has either a case or will get enough money from Microsoft to survive
    7. Re:Irony abounds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      >the lawyers wrote it...

      IAAL. I can assure you that the PR people wrote it with a smattering of legalese dusted on top. The "arguments" are incoherent, the "authorities" are off the point while the rant at the outset about copy-left, etc. is completely irrelevant.

      I must admit to admiring the ability to spout this rubbish with a straight face. :)

    8. Re:Irony abounds. by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's cold, kid. Hey, scenario for you. I own a company. I make a product. It is a really really awesome product that everybody wants.

      But I work in a non-descript brick building in a small town in upstate New York. How ever will people learn of our product?

      Advertising -- and Public Relations.

      Now, I want to tell you why you want to buy it. But it's kind of complicated. I only have a 15 second radio spot. Which of these messages do you suppose is more effective?

      1) Widgets are designed to PDQ your YSZ using ASD technology licensed from ZX. They are sufficient for small to medium clients.

      of

      2) Widgets are freakin' awesome, man. I don't need to tell you. There's all this technology in there but you'll never know anything about it except that you have more time and more room to breath when you use it.

      #2 is full of exaerations, vague descriptions and is incomplete. But if they entice you to take a closer look, BAM! Good enough.

      You're all taking a VERY close look at SCO's arguments at the moment. Ordinarily that would be a marketting success, but since SCO only has old or stolen products, I'd say maybe they should be averting your gaze a little bit...

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  2. Ok then. by dema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing we haven't seen before.

    Yet it qualifies as news here. No wonder McBride keeps running his mouth (:

    1. Re:Ok then. by Zeelan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah... but we haven't had a good SCO letter of FUD to harp on for a couple of days.

      Myself... I found the part where he talked about the glory of copyright where the author could do anything he wanted with it and then moaned and complained that he can't take GPL code and make it proprietary rather poetic.

    2. Re:Ok then. by Frymaster · · Score: 5, Insightful
      if anything, this whole debacle reminds me of the bre-x scam in alberta four or so years ago...

      bre-x was a mining company with a large stake in indonesia. although the stake was considered to be mediocre at best, bre-x brought back some core samples for assay that showed insanely high gold concentrations. shortly thereafter, bre-x announced that they had a 210 million oz find (at $300 an ounce... well, do the math)

      it was all faked, of course. they had "salted" the core samples (literally sprinkling gold into the crushed "ore") and then spun the results as far as they would go. the result was an astronomical stock price and a lot of very very rich directors and geologists.

      by the time that anyone had figured out that the whole thing was a pum and dump, most of the directors had fled to the grand caymans - except for one who "fell" (possibly pushed) from a helicopter over the indonesian jungle.

      bottom line: five people got wealthy of a pack of lies, thousands lost their life savings on stock, one lost his life. it's the exact same business model with sco... yet apparently investors haven't learned a damn thing.

    3. Re:Ok then. by Soruk · · Score: 5, Funny

      McBride, with any luck. In Antarctica. Amongst a bunch of angry, hungry penguins.

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  3. basis in law! by potpie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From Linuxtoday.com: "The GPL is based on copyright law, unlike the 'shrink wrap' licences we are familiar with, which are based on contract law. Most countries worldwide have signed the Berne Copyright Convention, which protects software automatically upon creation. So the GPL has a more solid international grounding than if it were based on contract law, which can vary greatly from country to country..."

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    1. Re:basis in law! by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, quite a few EULAs outside the United States are based in copyright law. Many countries' copyright traditions don't recognize an equivalent of 17 USC 117, which states that copying a program into RAM is not infringement; the owner of even an authorized copy needs special permission from the copyright owner to load it into RAM, and a EULA provides this permission.

    2. Re:basis in law! by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Informative

      You should probably read the MAI v. Peak case from the 9th Circuit. Although it's a stupid decision, and there are indications that it's incorrect, it does significantly limit the application of 117. It gets worse if you read the Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse case that followed it.

      Nevertheless, there is little need in the US for EULAs.

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  4. closed source please by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey Dayl please keep your letters like the Unix source and your mind - closed.

  5. Left something out? by KarMann · · Score: 5, Funny

    What, nothing about it violating the Ten Commandments to boot?

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  6. Yep, the GPL is REALLY BAD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Darl missed a few salient points that I will enumerate:

    1) The GPL kills small cute furry animals.
    2) The GPL causes cancer in laboratory animals.
    3) The GPL encourages terrorism.
    4) It hurts THE CHILDREN.
    5) Reciting the text of the GPL backwards will cause the appearance of the Anti-Christ and will initiate the apocalypse.

    1. Re:Yep, the GPL is REALLY BAD! by dominion · · Score: 5, Funny

      5) Reciting the text of the GPL backwards will cause the appearance of the Anti-Christ and will initiate the apocalypse.

      Y'know, that's not wholly untrue. I did that a few years back, when everybody thought Gore had won.

    2. Re:Yep, the GPL is REALLY BAD! by jelle · · Score: 4, Funny

      8) Makes the milk in the cows go sour
      9) Costs you VOTES
      10) Increase lethal accident rates
      11) Increases crime rates
      12) Electrocutes birds
      13) Contains dangerous amounts of bacteria
      14) Causes hurricanes and earthquakes
      15) Second-hand GPL kills people
      16) Eats away at 401k-plans
      17) Causes rolling blackouts
      18) Is illegal but has a california drivers license (but mows your lawn)
      18b) Makes tasteless jokes
      19) Doesn't give enough change back at the register
      20) Has cooties
      21) Breaks for no apparent reason
      22) Cuts people off in traffic
      23) Doesn't signal for a turn
      24) Skips commercials on TV.
      25) Downloads Music from the Internet
      26) Masturbates daily
      27) Doesn't go to church
      28) Uses coarse language including F-words a lot
      29) Keeps the toilet seat up
      30) Farts, Burps, Smells, doesn't groom.
      31) Are you still reading this>

      How long must the list be?

      * Click "Post Anonymously". Submit.

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  7. Re:If it is nothing new... by cgranade · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because someone new to the controversy, like some small-time CEO that thinks Linux is a character in Peanuts, might read it and wet his pants over it, so we have to respond to it, and make ourselves aware so that if our companies get cold feet about Linux adoption, we can rebut each SCO argument, and reassure our CEOs.

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  8. The open letter they discarded by beej · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dear Fucking Linux Hippies,
    Why can't you just pay us. You know you want to.
    Love, SCO
    [Shamelessly ripped from a couple friends of mine. This edition Copyright 2003 by Beej Jorgensen.]
  9. deconstucting the constitution by segment · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Congress shall have Power ... [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries

    Nowhere do I recall ever reading anything on compensation, that to me is more of an ethical issue if you ask me, but IANAL so I really don't want to stick my foot in my mouth... Or the kb in my ass. As I take the Constitution regarding copyrights is just as stated 'securing for limited times the exclusive right to their work'. SCO is turning this into a circus fanfare with a) either money the underlying issue, or b) other entities are using SCO as a puppet to do their deeds.

    However, there is a group of software developers in the United States, and other parts of the world, that do not believe in the approach to copyright protection mandated by Congress. In the past 20 years, the Free Software Foundation and others in the Open Source software movement have set out to actively and intentionally undermine the U.S. and European systems of copyrights and patents.

    This is serioulsy bold, and slanderous statement of this guy to make, and I'm wondering who's going to be the first to open a can of lawsuit ass on SCO. It's one thing to make known your beliefs, but to claim someone is intentionally breaking a law is no laughing matter. Pretty ballsy move. Stupid but ballsy.

    Leaders of the FSF have spent great efforts, written numerous articles and sometimes enforced the provisions of the GPL as part of a deeply held belief in the need to undermine or eliminate software patent and copyright laws.

    Know something, I couldn't even finish reading it because it's so dull, overrated, cumbersome to understand, and downright dumb at this point. Isn't it about time someone maybe IBM or some other bigwig came in the picture, did a hostile takeover and demoted this clown to mailroom janitor, or parking lot car washer.

    1. Re:deconstucting the constitution by jelle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The GPL is designed to keep GPL software free (as in speech). People make their writings and discoveries available for free under the GPL, as long as anybody who distributes an improved version also agrees that the improved version is exactly as free (as in speech). And that is the core of what makes the GPL unique, and which is exactly what made companies like WindRiver very cautious in the beginning: If you distribute GPL-licensed software, you better make sure that you know what is in it, because you're giving it away...

      So my summary of what Darl of SCO is saying is this:

      The GPL is unconstitutional, because the GPL allows people to limit the use and distribution of their writings and discoveries to only those people who do not intent to use copyright or patent law to subdue it.

      So, basically, Darl of SCO is saying that he realizes that SCO has distributed Linux under GPL after he knew about what he claims as his infringement of SCO IP. And because that distribution would negate all his claims of infringed IP, he has no other choice but to dispute the legality of the GPL. Well, maybe he doesn't realize that, but at least his lawyers did.

      The only other alternative, accepting to have knowingly broken the terms of the GPL license by distributing GPL-licensed software while not agreeing with the terms of the license would not make sense, and according to the law of Chewbacca defense lead to immediate aquittal of his case.

      BTW: Who else confuses WindRiver and WinDriver?

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    2. Re:deconstucting the constitution by Otto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, basically, Darl of SCO is saying that he realizes that SCO has distributed Linux under GPL after he knew about what he claims as his infringement of SCO IP. And because that distribution would negate all his claims of infringed IP, he has no other choice but to dispute the legality of the GPL. Well, maybe he doesn't realize that, but at least his lawyers did.

      That's a very interesting point you have there, one I had not considered. Of course, I believe he fails to see the flaw in his argument. That flaw is obvious, really...

      SCO's distribution of Linux under GPL wasn't wholly their IP. They didn't create it from nothing here. Perhaps some of it was, certainly, but there's certainly a lot of it that was part of the Linux kernel, or a contribution by hundreds, perhaps thousands, of open source developers. They own the copyright on all that code, and they released it under the GPL. The GPL is essentially their license to let SCO used their copyrighted code. If SCO rejects the GPL or is successful in having it overturned, they don't magically get all that copyrighted code. Instead they get a big class action suit smacking them square in the face for copyright infringement, because now they've used other people's copyrighted material, without permission, for profit, etc, etc...

      I just don't think SCO realizes the depth and power of the GPL. It's based upon copyright law itself. If you overturn it, then you fall back to the normal copyright law, which states that you can't use copyrighted code, period. It doesn't matter that the developer has shown it to the world, it's still that developer's property, and it is not SCO's to use. Fighting the GPL is not smart, because even if you win, you lose.

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    3. Re:deconstucting the constitution by surprise_audit · · Score: 4, Interesting
      ...but there's certainly a lot of it that was part of the Linux kernel, or a contribution by hundreds, perhaps thousands, of open source developers.

      You're missing an essemtial part of Darl's reasoning. Darl believes his company owns the rights to Unix and to all derivative works. If true, then all the Linux kernel developers have been extending and improving a derivative of the original Unix (never mind that Linus started from scratch). Not only that, they've been doing it without permission of the copyright holder and it doesn't matter that these derivatives are GPL'd because they're illegal, unauthorized copies.

      Note: I'm not supporting Darl, I'm just trying to show that he could very well be ignoring the possibility of legal retaliation by the kernel developers simply because he believes they don't have a leg to stand on.

  10. Hilarious stuff in here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "The 1976 Act had the desired effect. The U.S. economy responded rapidly, and within 10 years had regained global technology leadership."

    Technology leadership? In 1986?! During the height of the Japanese bubble? This guy cracks me up! You're such a card, McBride.

    --AC

  11. Amusing quote by SendBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In speaking of the DMCA
    "...without protection, American companies would unfairly lose technology advantages to companies in other countries through piracy, as had happened in the 1970's.

    This statement offers no explanation, whatsoever.

  12. Don't they by mcc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't they actually have to put up in court tomorrow?

    If I remember right, tomorrow is the oral discovery arguments for their case against IBM. Doesn't this mean that tomorrow they have to actually justify their unwillingness to clarify the nature of their case and answer to a judge for it?

    Can't wait to see what that does to their stock.

    Am I totally mistaking the nature of Discovery, but doesn't it mean that any evidence they haven't submitted by tomorrow, they can't use in the case? Meaning if they don't clarify their violations, rather than just giving the names of a bunch of documents (some of which contain nothing but some #includes and a "not implemented" comment), the "linux community" can then go around confidently stating that no such violations exist?

    When's Redhat's Lanham Act case get to hit court to ask for injunctions?

    Anyway, it probably wouldn't be too far-out to assume Darl's letter is some kind of diversionary tactic. Or that they won't try to do something even bigger and noisier tomorrow to draw attention away from the court.

    1. Re:Don't they by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As I understand from reading Groklaw (hi PJ), tomorrow is sort of a status hearing. Both sides have filed requests asking the court to compel the other party to do something. SCO is basically asking the court to tell IBM to hand over every file in their possession relating to Unix, Linux, AIX or any other operating system that ends in "X" so they can plow though them to see what they can accuse IBM of doing wrong. IBM, on the other hand, is asking the court, "SCO has been claiming for months that they have evidence that we trespassed on something or other of theirs. Please tell them it's time to put up or shut up. Make them show what evidence they have or admit they have no case."

      That is a gross oversimplification but it's basically what it boils down to. Based on the results of tomorrow's hearing, the parties will probably be required to return to court in a month or two to see if they've followed the court's orders.

      So you're just a bit off on your understanding of discovery. Tomorrow's hearing is not the end of the discovery process; basically, it's a chance for the two sides and the magistrate judge to assess how much progress has been made in discovery so far and what still needs to be done.

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  13. This trash was written by Boies... by kuwan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After reading Darl's wonderful letter of ignorance and greed I'd have to conclude that it was largely written by David Boies or one of his minions. Though it's been mentioned that the author, as indicated from the doc's headers, was not McBride, or one of the lawyers, my guess is that it was just composed by the authors mentioned, but the actual text originated with a lawyer.

    First of all it doesn't sound like the Darl we know and love. I've read enough of his BS and listened to him enough to know his style and this letter just doesn't have it. It tries to show some hint of intelligence which we all know McBride is devoid of. Second, the information about the Supreme Court rulings, the constitution, and the DMCA all read like a lawyer wrote them. It reads like it came from the world's most ignorant and incompetent lawyer, but it was definitely from a lawyer.

    It's too bad for Boies that his name is being put on such utter trash. He did have a good reputation once, but it'll be ruined before this case is over.

  14. It's a clever troll, by Darl's standards by DoctorFrog · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Darl is trying to create a mental association between supporters of the GPL and scofflaws like warez kiddies.

    It's a little clever, actually. The DMCA is opposed by many who also support the GPL, the common ground being that both groups tend to be deeply concerned by the proper application of intellectual property rights. The DMCA is also opposed by scofflaw copyright infringers, those being the people it was nominally designed to fight. Therefore, people who support the GPL are copyright infringers and scofflaws.

    It's not a tactic that works against people who habitually apply logical analysis to what they read, but that isn't the majority of people, is it? (If it were, many a war would never have taken place.)

  15. Crack Smoking and Prostitution by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 5, Funny

    From this article is one the best quotes from Linus yet:

    I'm a big believer in copyrights," Torvalds wrote in an e-mail interview. "Of all the intellectual property (laws), copyright ... is the only one that is expressly designed so that individual people can (and do) get them without having scads of lawyers on their side."

    "If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution," he wrote.


  16. Re:If I understod correctly by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Darl is saying that all rights for non profit are disabled.

    More like he's saying that a code author has no right to restrict their work in such a way that it can be distributed anywhere and modified freely by anyone within the terms of the licence provided by the original author. In Darl's view, copyright law is concerned with restricting works from being distributed without compensation, not with ensuring that authors are allowed to control distribution of their work as they see fit. He can't seem to wrap his head around the fact that many people have chosen to use their rights, as authors, under copyright law, to choose a set of restrictions that promotes copying and changing of their code, as long as anyone else can do the same. He only understands copyright in terms of sales and exclusivity.

    Short version: in Darl's world, you can choose to restrict your works, but you can't choose to restrict your works into openness. Everything must be proprietary and closed, everyone must view each other as competitors to be fought instead of companions to collaborate with.

    This seems to be the only logical way, outside of the obvious "pump 'n dump scheme" guess, to explain Darl's view of FOSS.

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  17. Re:Nothing we haven't seen before by Trepalium · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Personally, I like what Linus had to say about this in an Infoworld interview.
    "I'm a big believer in copyrights," Torvalds wrote in an e-mail interview. "Of all the intellectual property (laws), copyright ... is the only one that is expressly designed so that individual people can (and do) get them without having scads of lawyers on their side."

    "If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution," he wrote.

    Clear, concise, and to the point.
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  18. Uhh, actually - bitter protest against copyrights by argoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This was posted several months ago, but I think it still stands now. Copyrights are wrong, and anti free market, and immoral, and too many people are being spoonfeed poor beliefs.

    BITTER PROTEST AGAINST COPYRIGHTS

    If I said I didn't have an incentive to grow oranges unless I could plant a tree in your yard, or if I said I didn't have an incentive to grow cotton unless I could own slaves on the plantation, most people would see this is these as the worthless shallow arguments that they are. But if I said I didn't have an incentive to to make beneficial or creative works without a copyright monopoly, then all of a sudden people just take it on faith, they don't even question it, they just assume that society would fall apart without them. In my humble opinion, this is intellectually dishonest, especially considering that the entire Renaissance happened without copyrights.

    The simple fact is, there is no equivalency relationship between copyrights and property rights - incentive does not a right make. The moral and historical foundation of property derives from the fact that property has physical limits, while the foundation of copyrights dervives from kings who granted publishers monopolies in return for not publishing bad things about the monarchy. The history of copyrights is not one of rights, but control of sharing and restricting the open use of knowledge.

    That is why people who copy are not criminals, thieves, or akin to pirates who board ships and murder people. No, infact they are really victims of a cruel deception. A deception that copyrights somehow financially benefit artists and creators. The simple fact is, that for every artist that makes it "big" there are literally thousands who copyrights haven't helped a bit, even hindered, or destroyed.

    However, this is not the only failure of copyrights - it is just one in many issues related to copyrights that are just blown off ignored, or glossed over. Like the failures of Hollywood culture, the failures of big media to provide quality material, the failures to provide reasonably priced books to college students while tabloids are dirt cheap, and massive anti-trust behavior in the software industry to name a few.

    While the problems associated with copyrights might have been bearable 20 years ago when the biggest issue was Xerox machines, today we are entering into the information age where information is so easy to copy and manipulate that there can be no middle ground. Our society will either have to control all of it or none of it. Our communications will either have to be monitored or free, our privacy to be either contunuiously probed or protected.

    In that sense, copyrights are like a vine that will never stop growing to choke off our freedoms until we cut it off at the root. The DMCA, infinite extensions, billion dollar lawsiuts, are all just symptoms of a poor belief system - not the cause. So the efforts to find a "middle ground" on copyrights are a failure because they do not address the core issue. That contrary to copyrights, the right to copy and distribute creative works and knowledge is a right!

    Like freedom of religion, and freedom of the press, the right to copy things is a right that exists above government. It is a moral right, it is an inherent right, it defines the very nature of the human condition. It is beyond politics and the petition of leaders.

    In fact, the entire foundation of politics rests on the notion that it's better to fight wars with words than wars with bloodshed. But to copy things does not require coercion or viloence at all, the rules are not the same. We will not change the copyright situation by petitioning our leaders, or voting to change the system. No it can only be changed by defiance.

    Defiance by holding the belief that people have rights, even if those rights appear contrary to the popular mob or to the system. Defiance, by shedding off the guilt and shame that those who try to impose copyrights impose on us and understanding that they are

  19. Closed Letter by Ieshan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Person Reading this Letter:

    You are in violation of copyright law, as I have copyrighted this letter and encoded it using an advanced version of english which we have developed at SCO group.. Each sentence, as you can see, ends in two puncuation marks, however, you seem to be able to read the text just fine..

    We regret to inform you that there is no possible other implementation for this english derivative, is our copyright, and therefore, you must be circumventing our extremely intelligent and work with the intent of profit..

    Sincerely,
    Darl McBride

    1. Re:Closed Letter by mwooldri · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dearest Darl... Thou hast a problem with ye English language? Then ye shalt readeth of the Bible of GPL until ye hearts bleed. As thou canst tell, I am using ye ancient version of ye English language, which hast been placed in ye public domaine many moons ago. Besides, hast thou hearest of ye King James Bible? Remindest ones of ye Ancient Unix. humbly your servant...

    2. Re:Closed Letter by sy161e · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd say the funny part about the author's rants and raves about Red Hat are contradicted in the link provided:

      Red Hat has aggressively lobbied Congress to eliminate software patents and copyrights.

      However, after visiting the site, the only word used is "patent," the only occurance of "copyright" is at the bottom of the page claiming that it's a &copy of Redhat.

  20. It's amazing! by Optical-i · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's amazing how McBride can continuously attack the GPL and open source. Yet in the back of my mind all I can think is, "Caldera Linux... Caldera Linux..." If McBride is so against the GPL, then why did he agree to take the CEO position of a company with it's foundations built upon everything he attacks? Quote:"However, there is a group of software developers in the United States, and other parts of the world, that do not believe in the approach to copyright protection mandated by Congress. In the past 20 years, the Free Software Foundation and others in the Open Source software movement have set out to actively and intentionally undermine the U.S. and European systems of copyrights and patents." Funny how he forgets that for a good couple of those 20 years, the company he now leads was a part of the Open Source software movement he despises. "Yes your honor, we would like to sue IBM for being more sucessful with open source than we were. We hate it because we lost all our money in it." Back in beginning months these stories really made me angry, now it's my weekly /. humor!

  21. SCO and "science" by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mcbride may be playing loosely with the term, but still he made aver rediculous statement that i would like to point out:

    We believe that the "progress of science" is best advanced by vigorously protecting the right of authors and inventors to earn a profit from their work.

    If any real scince was carried out that way, we would still be in the dark ages. Real science is developed through scientific journals. Open publication of their discoveries and progress. How far would we be if lived in a society where Mathematicians had to pay roalities for using other peoples theroms in their proofs?

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  22. SCO is right on copyrights but has it reversed by Performer+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing particularly wrong with Copyrights (although terms are now excessive) but it is SCO who is assaulting them by trying to steal the work of thousands of developers, not the other way around.

  23. Aahh, yes, the jack-ass by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Darl says:
    The software license adopted by the GPL is called "copy left " by its authors. This is because the GPL has the effect of requiring free and open access to Linux (and other) software code and prohibits any proprietary use thereof. As a result, the GPL is exactly opposite in its effect from the "copy right " laws adopted by the US Congress and the European Union. - But, Darl, you can use GNU/Linux and other Free Software as much as you want. It is when you try to redistribute Free Software under a different licence, it is the moment when you violate the GPL - you violate a licence. GPL is your EULA if you will, only it does not affect your USAGE of Free Software in any way, only your redistribution of Free Software. You do know what a contract means, don't you?

    In taking this position SCO has been attacked by the Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and many software developers who support their efforts to eliminate software patents and copyrights. Internet chat boards are filled with attacks against SCO, its management and its lawyers. Personal threats abound. At times the nature of these attacks is breathtaking - the emotions are obscuring the very clear and important legal issues SCO has raised. This is to be expected when the controversy concerns such deeply held beliefs. - Darl, when you try to STEAL people's copyrighted work, it is the moment when you start getting these kinds of reaction. At the moment when you decide to enslave the free, at the moment when you decide to take away something that belongs to everyone by the expressed permission of the copyright holder, at this moment you become an enemy. When you LIE, you become an enemy and an annoyance.

    Despite the raw emotions, however, the issue is clear: do you support copyrights and ownership of intellectual property as envisioned by our elected officials in Congress and the European Union, or do you support "free" - as in free from ownership - intellectual property envisioned by the Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and others? There really is no middle ground. The future of the global economy hangs in the balance. - Darl, but it is you, who do not recognize the copyright, you do not want to recognize a contract for redistribution of Free Software that you enter, once you start redistributing Free Software. You are going against simple contract and copyright laws, nothing else.

    The Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and other GPL advocates take the contrary position. The FSF and Red Hat believe that the progress of science is best advanced by eliminating the profit motive from software development and insuring free, unrestricted public access to software innovations. The Free Software Foundation was established for this purpose. The GPL implements this purpose. Red Hat speaks for a large community of software developers dedicated to this purpose. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has dramatically undercut this position with its guidance in Eldred in how to define the term "promote the Progress of Science and the useful arts..." under the Constitution. - Supreme Court is misguided at best and at worst it has a hand in the pie. What you call innovation, others call extortion. If a hundred programmers come up with an exactly same solution algorithm to a problem why should one of them be able to subdue the rest into paying royalties for something that must be free? An algorithm? It is bound to happen simply by the nature of mathematics - anyone familiar with math knows, the Pythagorus theorem could be discovered by many individuals simply because in math it is natural to find the most optimal solutions to problems, and the proven theorems are such solutions. Software is all about algorythms and thus it is about the most optimal solutions, and these solutions can be expressed as theorems. Such ideas must be free for everyone to use, since they are the tools, the building blocks that we use in order to solve our real life problems. If we are not allowed to free

  24. The document creators by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to the www.groklaw.net article "Darl's "Greed is Good" Manifesto", and to this source from Yahoo, Darl's open letter was written by Kevin McBride and Dean Zimmerman, (a tech writer). At least the word document meta data says so.

    And there I was hoping Darl at least understood his position well enough to write garbage like this by himself. Does Darl even exist, or is he like the Wizzard Oz, a non-existant entity? Just kidding. He may become a non-existant entity after the court-room is done with him, though :)

  25. Unconstitutional ??? by Bugmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't get it. How can the GPL be unconstitutional ? It's not a law, it's just a license -- a private contract between two parties. The Constitution simply doesn't apply. Now, SCO can claim that the GPL is unenforceable, but that's a different story altogether. What next ? Reading is declared unconstitutinal because it can potentially detract from the market of audio books ?

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    1. Re:Unconstitutional ??? by pjrc · · Score: 4, Informative
      At the risk of /. blaspheme (trying to understand SCO's arguement rather than immediately discounting it)....

      I don't get it. How can the GPL be unconstitutional ?

      The basic arguement seem to be that the constitution states the purpose of copyright is the "promote progress of science..." AND the supreme court recently wrote "motive of profit is the engine that ensures progress of science".

      There's certainly no disputing that the constitution really does have that, and that the court really did write such an opinon recently.

      They claim the GPL is designed to destroy the profit motive. Suspecd disbelief for a moment and ignore the scant profit Redhat made a couple times.

      So, if you put these three things together, you get:

      constitution = progress = profit_motive;
      GPL = !profit_motive;

      GPL != constitutional;

      I personally suspect there are a dozen reasons why this argument is bad. But that is, as nearly as I can tell from the letter, the basic arguement.

  26. Legally Speaking... by WombatControl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (As a diclaimer, IANAL, but I have read Eldred and I am familiar with public policy issues on copyright.)

    Straw man is the correct term for this letter, as the entire case McBride makes is on a complete misunderstanding of both the GPL and Eldred.

    First of all, his use of Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution illustrates absolutely nothing. There is nothing in the GPL that precludes or infringes upon this statute in the least. Congress has the power to grant exclusive rights to a creation but has no power to legally mandate what the terms of those rights are. (See Graham v. John Deere Co. of Kansas City 383 US 1.) Congress has the right to grant me a patent, and if I want to take that patented product and license it to whomever, there is nothing that Constitutionally prevents me from doing so. In other words, if IBM patents a new storage device and they want to make those specifications publicly available through GPLed drivers they have every right to do so. If they want to license such technology to only one company, they may do so. If they want to take every existing model and shove it up their ass, they have every legal right to do so.

    Furthermore, precedent sets that the patent power is limited only for the purpose of the "progress of science" - as Bonito Boats v. Thunder Craft Boats, Inc 489 US 141 states:

    Implicit in the Patent Clause itself [is the understanding that] free exploition of ideas will be the rule, to which the federal protection of a patent is the exception. Moreover, the ultimate goal of the patent system is to bring new designs and technologies into the public domain through disclosure."

    What McBride argues is that the public domain itself is somehow contradictory to the very notion of copyright, and argument which simply does not hold to much scrutiny. Even the majority opinion in Eldred acknowledges that the Constitution does not allow for a perpetual system of copyright, and that at some point material must fall into the public domain.

    The argument that profit motive is the best way of ensuring the public good is fine, but it is essentially a non-sequitor in this case. If the Linux kernel contains SCO code then that code has to be legally removed. However, SCO has no right to dictate that only proprietary licenses are legally valid, and that argument does nothing to advance their particular case. Moreover, any judge who has to rule on such a prima facie idiotic argument will quickly rule that SCO has no legal ground. The GPL is, as many have already mentioned, based on an acknowledgement of copyright law and relies on copyright law as a basis for its licensing terms. SCO has no right to say that a copyright holder must use a proprietary license any more than Red Hat says that SCO must drop all claims to their proprietary source code. There is no legal foundation for such a position and McBride clearly has no understanding of the revelant law.

  27. An open letter TO Darl McBride by Specter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Darl,

    I've got to tip my hat to you. It's rare that you can find someone so outspoken and with such an interesting interpretation of reality who is also able to elicit such vociferous and multitudinous responses from your friends and (more often) your enemies. Really, for your family's sake at least, I feel better knowing that when someone finally points out that the emperor has no clothes, you'll have no problems finding employment in the afternoon talk show circuit.

    In the months since you've launched your Sisyphean attack on Linux and Open Source Software in general I've come to regard you with something of a grudging affinity. Like that crazy uncle you hope never shows up for family events but then miss terribly when he's not there, you've become a constant ache that I just know I'm going to miss. Who else can I count on to inspire such fits of laughter and frothing rage?

    It's with this new found amiability towards you that I make the following offer. I know you've been wanting someone to buy up The SCO Group and in the interests of not seeing you completely financially devastated, I'd like to buy your company. I'd like to offer you a one crisp United States dollar bill for the entirety of The SCO Group. You may find the amount a little less than you'd hoped for, but as Homer Simpson was once counseled (if I may paraphrase) "I think you should take it."

    You see I've been both amused, enraged, and more recently dismayed as the scope of your intellectual property land grab expands. I finally decided that some sort of intervention was necessary after I read your latest diatribe in which you both demonstrated a profound lack of understanding of intellectual property law as well as the GPL and made thinly veiled threats to employ the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to further expand your legal assault against Linux. Darl, have you even read the DMCA? Do you know what it is or says? Were you aware that you've got to actually demonstrate you've got copyright in something that's been infringed before you can even open that can of worms?

    I'm sure it may have slipped your mind what with all the heavy composition you've apparently been engaged in, but although you've talked a lot about your lawsuits with IBM and RedHat, you haven't actually won either of them yet. As such, that presents a real problem for your DMCA strategy because so far you've been unable to demonstrate an intellectual property interest of The SCO Group that's been infringed in any way. Sort of putting the cart before the horse aren't we?

    Surely it's also obvious to you now that you've painted yourself into a corner with respect to the GNU Public License (GPL)? If you prevail and the GPL is declared invalid, as a distributor of many works (including Linux) which were formerly licensed under the GPL, The SCO Group would appear to be guilty of copyright infringement on a rather unprecedented scale. (Without the GPL Darl you can't distribute Linux or Samba.) If you fail, and the GPL is valid, you've released all your supposedly infringed works into the Open Source community under terms where you lose all ability to make infringement claims on pretty much any IP grounds. In which case any value of any intellectual property left in the corpses of your versions of Unix is pretty much gone.

    So please, I urge you, it's time to stop the madness. Take me up on my offer, let Mr. Boise have his cut of my buyout, and walk away a winner Darl. I'm pretty sure it's the best offer you're going to get.

    Your friend,

    Specter

  28. First Markets should, THEN Courts should Decide by leoaugust · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When McBride argues about the legal underpinnings and defending it by court decisions, he is backward looking. Courts are restricted to only looking at the past and existing laws and legislations in making decisions.

    On the temporal scale the Judiciary has control over the past. The legislature is forward looking and has control over the future. So, any law that the legislature passes now, will become the touchstone by which the courts will judge later. And on the temporal Scale the Executive has control over the present. I beleive in this case, the Execution should be done by the Market forces, rather than by an arm of the Government. (And SCO must be executed too.)

    Based on the results of the market forces, the legislature should then frame "forward looking legislations" that then become the laws which the courts must address. Currently, and in all the arguements that McBride advances, the fact is that the courts were restricted to INTERPRETING "Progress of Science and useful Arts" in the LEGAL sense only - obviously the legal framework is vvery restrictive in identifying what really "Progress" means, and is it must be understood that the courts had their hands toed behind their backs - thier's is a legal interpretation of Progress and not a broader economic, social, cultural, and political meaning of Progress.

    The meat of my comment is above - the rest of the comment is just trying to build my case more ...

    However, the issue is clear: do you support copyrights and ownership of intellectual property as envisioned by our elected officials in Congress and the European Union, or do you support ?free? ? as in free from ownership ? intellectual property envisioned by the Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and others?

    There really is no middle ground. The future of the global economy hangs in the balance.

    The global economy is not hanging in the balance, waiting breathlessly for SCO/McBride to vulturize millions so the "global economy" can breathe a sigh of relief. This is just another bluster from the McBride. McBride is nothing but a fly on the wall in terms of the current efforts and "real work" that are really advancing the state of the global economy. I highlight this McBride quote, because it captures bluster of the rest of his sophomoric argument.

    Constitutional authority to enact patent and copyright laws was granted to Congress by the Founding Fathers under Article I, 8 of the United States Constitution: Congress shall have Power ? [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. ..... This Constitutional declaration gave rise to our system of copyrights and patents. ... (later he writes) Thus, SCO is confident that the legal underpinning of our arguments is sound. ... But we believe that we will prevail through the legal system ...

    It is interesting that he talks about the "legal underpinnings" being sound. If tomorrow the Legislature passes a law (legislations are forward looking), that makes it clear that there is no room for interopretation, and SCO is wrong and stupid, that will be the easy end to the SCO/McBride Extortion story. Like McBride says " Internet chat boards are filled with attacks against SCO, its management and its lawyers," and I think they are filled with attacks for a good reason. And since the chatboarders are also voters, it would be possible for them to choose the right representatives, who would go and legislate, and then carry the legal "attacks" on SCO rather than just have flame wars.

    In Eldred , the petitioner argued that the Copyright Term Extension Act enacted by Congress in 1998 was unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court disagreed, ruling that Congress had full

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  29. Letter Contradicts Itself by tabdelgawad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the second paragraph, McBride writes:

    "SCO asserts that the GPL, under which Linux is distributed, violates the United States Constitution and the U.S. copyright and patent laws."

    He then spends the rest of the letter explaining why copyright is great, and why the FSF and Red Hat are evil for opposing copyrights. Fine. But *nowhere* is there any reasoning given why the GPL violates the consitution, copyright law or patent law. In fact, by the end of the letter, McBride is forced to write:

    "Based on the views of the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court, we believe that adoption and use of the GPL by significant parts of the software industry was a mistake. The positions of the Free Software Foundation and Red Hat against proprietary software are ill-founded and are contrary to our system of copyright and patent laws. We believe that responsible corporations throughout the IT industry have advocated use of the GPL without full analysis of its long-term detriment to our economy. We are confident that these corporations will ultimately reverse support for the GPL, and will pursue a more responsible direction."

    Note that there's *nothing* about the legality of the GPL. Adopting the GPL may be a "mistake", but nowhere does he even attempt to prove the point that he started with, that the GPL is a violation of the constitution and laws of the US.

    Too bad for SCO. The only way they can have a long term money-making plan with Linux is if they get the GPL declared illegal, all developer contributions under it made into code in the public domain (I suppose public domain is against the constitution too?!), then they can assert ownership of the whole product based on whatever proprietary contributions they think were made against their wishes by IBM et al. IANAL, but it ain't gonna happen.

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  30. Re:Closed Letter -- pedantic spell checking is fun by ak_hepcat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ye == the. y is a rune, pronounced like 'th'

    'ye shalt' is then wrong. 'thou shalt'
    'readeth' is not a proper conjugation, simply use 'read'.

    'ye hearts' should be 'thy heart dost'

    'I am using ye' => 'I be using the'

    'hast thou hearest' => 'hast thou not heard'

    'Remindest' is an improper combining of dost. Drop the do, and add an apostrophe: Remind'st

    'ones'? just 'one' will do.

    Most humbly, I remain _thy_ servant...

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  31. Not Only is the GPL's Legal Footing Very Solid... by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But the community from which open source software springs is the only place you can get real innovation in the IT Industry. Companies won't try new ideas. None of the commercial UNIX vendors has done a whole lot to advance the state of the operating system from where it was 30 years ago. Oh they might have glommed on a filesystem or two, but I bet those ideas didn't originate with them.

    SCO in particular, hasn't noticably changed their product since I was saddled with 286 Xenix a decade and a half ago. Neither their product nor their technical support improved from the first time I used it a decade and a half ago to the last time (And I swore it'd be the last time) I used it just about 4 years ago. I bet it hasn't noticably changed in those 4 years either, especially judging from SCO's current posturing.

    So instead of cleaning up their own house (Because they don't know how) they'd rather try to destroy the only source of IT innovation around. People with SCO's mentality (Sadly widespread in corporate America) would shit in your dinner because they don't know how to cook themselves.

    Currently the publicity's been pretty one-sided. How's about we start dusting off our technical contacts and start working to expose the lies?

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  32. And you thought the law was dry by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 5, Informative

    Take a look at this document (note: it's a PDF file). It's written in legalese, but if you read between the lines, it shows what happens when a lawyer loses patience. Basically, IBM's law firm can't call SCO a bunch of liars, cheats, four-flushers and shysters in a court document, but this document sure makes it sound like they wish they could. Highly entertaining, and highly recommended.

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  33. Re:Don't they......they don't..... by Trepalium · · Score: 4, Informative

    They've already entered several counterclaims. No sense having two trials when one will suffice, right? IBM has claimed Breach of Contract, Lanham Act Violation, Unfair Competition, Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Relations, Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices, Breach of GNU General Public License, Promissory Estoppel (in regards to the GPL) Copyright Infringement, four counts of Patent Infringement, and is seeking a Declaratory Judgment. Should be enough to bury SCO, eh?

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  34. can't have been written by lawyers by penguin7of9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can clearly tell the lawyers wrote it

    That letter can't have been written by a lawyer: it just makes no sense whatsoever. Even someone who ordered his law degree by mail would know better.

    The letter argues that because the FSF takes a certain political view of copyrights, its copyright-related contracts are invalid and violate the US constitution. That's roughly like saying that you would lose your drivers license because you have stated that cars are bad for the environment.

    Fortunately, we live in a country where one's political views don't generally affect the validity of the contracts we enter in.

  35. Re:Not Only is the GPL's Legal Footing Very Solid. by mandolin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But the community from which open source software springs is the only place you can get real innovation in the IT Industry. Companies won't try new ideas.

    Plan9. Inferno. NeXTStep. Arguably the original Macintosh and the Xerox PARC work they extended.

    Meanwhile, in the open-source world, we're fundamentally tweaking UNIX clones. Totally kick-ass, love-'em, best-of-breed unix clones, but still. You might cite Hurd but, comparatively speaking, it's a toy.

    None of the commercial UNIX vendors has done a whole lot to advance the state of the operating system from where it was 30 years ago.

    Isn't Apple a commercial UNIX vendor now?

    SCO in particular, hasn't noticably changed their product since I was saddled with 286 Xenix a decade and a half ago

    Sadly, that's probably true..

  36. Profit Motive by chuckw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had to read 3/4ths of that stupid letter to finally get to the point. Apparently they contend that a license, like the GPL, strips the profit motive from a work, and is inherently illegal. To justify this, it pontificates broadly on some recent court cases and the constitutional basis for copyright law.

    Just because the constitution defined copyright to help protect profit motives and thus speed along innovation, that does not mean we cannot use copyright law in a different way.

    I'd like to direct Darl McBride to the ninth ammendment to the constitution of the United States of America. To paraphrase, it basically means that if something hasn't been outlawed, it's legal. Or in other words, nothing is illegal until it has been outlawed. When it comes to using copyright in a different way, that means that there's no law saying that we cannot use an existing law in a way that it wasn't intended (so long as that doesn't break any existing laws).

    Yeah, it's a rather weak legal point, but if that's what you're screaming, then you've probably missed my larger point. Every (weak and rambling) point that the article puts forth can be countered by hundreds of examples that prove that this new use of copyright law fits in the mold of what the founding fathers intended. Innovation is happening under this model, the masses have found a way to be involved and to contribute to OSS and the greater good is being served every step of the way. To anyone who cannot see that, I would respectfully question their motives and/or their awareness of temporal reality.

    -Chuck

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  37. Letter is a smokescreen for stock manipulation by Karellen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Interesting that this letter is published the day before all 3 motions to compel in the case between SCO and IBM are scheduled for oral arguments? (http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031123 184010235)

    I reckon this is just a ruse to get their stock price as high as possible before they get their ass handed to them later today and it crashes through the floor.

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  38. Surely.. by Channard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surely 'Hungry, horny penguins?' It'd make for a great headline - 'McBride fuxed, snaxed by Tux.'

  39. Re:Don't they......they don't..... by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 4, Funny
    Should be enough to bury SCO, eh?

    You're dealing with an entity that:

    • Technically died a long time ago, but hasn't stopped moving
    • Needs to suck the lifeforce out of other entities to ensure its own survival
    You don't simply bury something like that. You need to cut off its head and put a stake through its heart first.
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  40. Re:Closed Letter -- pedantic spell checking is fun by Rinikusu · · Score: 4, Funny

    me think'st thou hast too much fuckinth time on thine handsth.

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