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US Broadband ISPs Expect Price Cuts
prostoalex writes "US broadband providers are trying to avoid the price wars, but the cost of DSL and cable hookups is still headed down with major promotions from players like Comcast and Yahoo/SBC. Currently there are 22 million US subscribers, 2 million of which subscribed during the past three months. It looks like the prices for broadband Internet are headed towards $20-30/month range, although most operators prefer to lock you into a yearly contract or provide special price for the first several months only."
My employer subsidizes up to $30/month for online access, so the cable internet cost isn't as painful as it otherwise would be. But the idea that price wars with the CLECs would drive cable internet prices down seems ludicrous, at least in this market (NJ).
Heck, considering that when I moved to my current house (end of 1998), Cablevision promised broadband within 6 months, and kept making that promise every few months for 2 years, I was grateful to have broadband in the first place! And that's what they must count on. Competition from another cable company, if not Verizon, would be nice. But the market tanked just as a competitor was considering jumping in.
Mencken had it right. So glad that's old news.
For us who live in Europe!
And AOL dialup will still cost $24.99 a month.
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If the average John Q. Public didn't have, or didn't think of getting broadband, I think this is going to be a major boost for them. I can imagine this effecting the majority of "average users" seeing the price drop on broadband, and wanting to get that faster internet connection, this may very well be an excellent incentive for them to upgrade to broadband.
I'm also personally excited about this, because of my tight budget, I just may be able to afford the beautiful broadband connection once again (I know cable broadband is available in my area, at least). I hope most, if not all broadband providers hop on this train, and they all lower their prices to something more affordable.
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Its hard to figure out what has caused the difference. Is there more competition here ? I read once about a price cap. The lack of competition in the US may appear to be the most liekly answer.
I get 1500/128 service from SBC now for $29/mo with no price increase later. It's only specced for 768 down, but apparently they simply let the modem connect at its highest speed. Futhermore, they gave us an ADSL modem/router with both ethernet and wireless (and power line) routing built in.
I would like higher upload, but that's where the kicker is. Most people don't need it, and they can sell hosting services (ie, sell the upload and download seperately - double your money)
I imagine that it'll continue to drop as equipment becomes standard and they don't need to keep buying new equipment. Startup costs for the infrastructure and advertising are what caused the initial high prices. Now that the infrastructure is in place, you'll see more advertising about lower prices and better deals.
-Adam
Here in good ole Canada, the price for cable here is around 50 bucks, and if SOCAN have their way it will probably go up even more. Instead of going forward we are going backward and soon broadband will not be accessible to everyone. Sad really.
I have dial-up at home, and the reason is that I don't want to sign a 1 year contract. I want to connect to the net with linux, but cannot as I am using netzero.
I contacted them to find out if they will support linux soon and here is their response.
NetZero is involved in a partnership with ThinkNIC to offer a Linux version of the NetZero software on the ThinkNIC machine. Currently, we do not have a downloadable version available for Linux, but please check back on our Web site at http://www.netzero.com for updates.
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I decided needed high upload rates, so I'm shelling out ~$200/month for business cable. There's no clause against servers, and I get the super-secret phone number where a REAL PERSON actually answers. But it also is quite painful to the toy budget.
I hope they manage to continue developing the infrastructure for the technology. Otherwise, we're going to end up with so many cable modems per node that there won't be appreciable speed differences between cable and dialup during peak usage times. If the demand increases, but they refuse to continue to create infrastructure due to the new, lower pricing, people will be faced with higher-than-dialup fees for not much more real speed.
SBC promises download speeds as fast 1.5 megabits per second - one megabit is 1,000 kilobits - ...
Way to break down megabits per second into something the average person can understand, David Koenig. I guess you're trying to compare 56kbps to 1.5mbps, but still, how many people reading IWon News know what a kilobit is? Why don't you say "1.5 megabits per second means 1 megabyte takes 5.3 seconds to download"? That's something people could understand.
At least Libraries of Congress aren't in your conversion rate.
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well... price wars typically trigger shakeouts where smaller competitors get driven out of business, so I'm glad price wars are not going ahead... small competitors making a viable go of it in the long run means increased competition.
Price wars are also typical 'testing grounds' in oligopoly situations, sometimes where one large provider tests another (that price wars are not imminent suggests providers are in perfect harmony [unlikely] or have too tight margins to risk a price war), othertimes they are coordinated attempts to show the consumer what great value they get and are more spin than substance.
Price wars are a bad thing - they cause small competitors to be driven out of business (long term this means the market in the hands of a powerful few) and the fact a company can undertake a price war means it has room to move even with discounted prices (surely bloated prices... it is in need of competition but has the 'price war' signal to any potential competition they are alert and the going will be rough).
Price wars are never a good thing.
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I got an email the other day saying that they're upgrading my upstream for free, permanently. Considering that I have a contract, that's an extremely nice gesture...
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I don't know which is more depressing, that 2/3 didn't care enough to vote, or that 1/2 of those that did are crazy.
Huh? Dont think they have a lot in common? They do...
Casual dining restaraunts charge higher prices, and serve you more food than you (should) eat. This leads to fatter americans (eating more than they should, you wouldnt want to be wasteful would you?), and increased margins for the restaraunts. As long as you think, "hey, for $8 I got a lot of food", you'll be OK with it.
Cable companies are starting to do the same thing. My cable co (Cox), is looking at replacing the 1.5/128 plan with 3.0/256, and creating a new plan for $80 for 4.0/384.
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Brandband prices have dropped in my area as more companies has started offerring the service. i was paying $50 for cable modem. After a while that dropped to $35.
Verizon came in and started offerring DSL @ 34.95 + a free modem. I switched.
a few months later verizon actually dropped our price another five dollars plus... Now paying $29 and change for 768/256. not bad, eh?
Ah, Optimum Online. I remember when my family got it, (5-10 years ago) - the price (30 if you had cable, I think) seemed high, but it stayed stable for a long time. Additional computers were discounted at $20, too. I came back from a year or two at University (3-5 years after first getting OOL), and found out it had shot up 10 bucks, despite their business massively increasing. A year later, it's up another 5 or 10. Not only that, but they took away the discount on extra computers. It went from $50 from two computers, to $50 for each. Last summer, we had 3 computers on which we wanted 'net access, so we had to shell out a major cash investment on a wireless hub and two wireless cards. Considering that it would have cost 300 dollars to have the extra 2 computers on for just the summer alone, it had to be done.
I don't get it - aren't monopolies/price fixing illegal?
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The telcos still have a major problem with selling and deploying DSL. Their copper wire infrastructure sucks and they aren't interested in doing anything, especially spending money, to improve it. Even though I live in an area with above average population density, it's 25,000 feet to the nearest central office. That means no DSL for me. The number and placement of central offices were frozen decades ago, when this was primarily a rural area. New housing developments get SLCs (subscriber line concentrators), not copper pairs to a central office. If the telcos were serious about providing DSL service, they would upgrade their network to make DSL available to every customer, not just those lucky enough to live near a central office. I'm not a big fan of the cable company, but they have spent far more money than the telco on upgrading and extending their network.
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also, inspect the processes running via task manager. look each and every one of them up (some may not be removed by uninstall or be nicely called 'comcast.exe' after all, if it is spyware it sure won't be).
if they are dodgy 'end process', delete the file this process name correspondeds to (spyware often installs to the windows/system directory and gives itself serious sounding names). it is good to clean the registry but this is a nightmare, but check start up to make sure nothing scans and reinstalls on startup. once you have done these manual steps i recommend, as another poster did, to run an spy/adware uninstaller, but just to clean off the edges these manual steps have done.
failing that... backup all documents and settings and do a format/reinstall, it will take 3 hours if you have all the disks and 3 hours is not a lot if you care about it.
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I also have business-class cable at my home... costs about 80$ per month (the install was a very-painful and unnecessary 250$). It's great... I get about 3mb down, and around 256kb up, so it's still asymmetric.
Still, the tech support is MUCH better than the residential service (not that I ever call... calling tech support is a sign of weakness), and you get priority for bandwidth on the node, etc.
I like it... reliable, fast, no upstream port filtering, and they don't care if you run servers. I'll never go back to residential service if I can help it.
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They beat on that tired, dead horse that "Cable-modem service can be as fast for downloads as several megabits per second, though the speed can suffer if several users in one neighborhood log on at once."
Um, nope. The cable providers make allowance for that. That's so worn out. ALL the DSL providers trot that dead horse out in every DSL v. Cable discussion.
I had SBC DSL and it was absolute SHIT, plus they screwed me everytime someone down in billing farted..
I dropped them and got RoadRunner.
They penalize me an extra $5 a month because I have internet only, I don't have cable-TV.
With the penalty and tax, I pay $54 a month for bad ass speed.
I can download the latest distro at the rate of about 25 minutes per 700mb ISO..
That's plenty fast for me. And all my neighbors are on RR too. No problem...
I will stick with RR, SBC can go to hell..
T1s have been historically overpriced, so it isn't really a fair comparison. What would T1s cost in a truly competitive market?
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The article states that Comcast was offering a $19.99 rate for cable modem rates.
That is incorrect. Comcast has run this deal multiple times where they offer $19.99 a month for three months. After that the rates go back up to something around $45.99 (IIRC). The rate is not being offered right now but will be back in a few months.
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It is sad that we never got any real local competition. Big business improverishes society. The only way to have any meaningful competition is with hundreds of thousands of small companies.
I suspect that in the next several years we will see an occasional token drop in published prices, while the big boys pull games to control usage and line their pockets with hidden fees.
The first part of the internet revolution was dominated by the shear technical challenge of getting people wired to the Internet. I suspect this new phase will be about marketers trying to find clever ways to corral all of profits from the technology into the smallest number of hands possible.
...my current DSL ISP keeps its prices where they are and can therefore stay in business.
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Sweden, for some very strage reason, has three providers offering symmetrical, 10 Mbps or bigger connections for less than 65 USD a month. I'm not a swede, and don't have information in English, but you should be able to decipher what matters here. The yellow box below the headline has the speeds and prices. One Swedish krona is roughly 13.5 US cents, prices are per month and anslutningsavgift is the one-time hookup fee.
As you can see in the Aftonbladet article, Telia has just entered the fray. They were literally forced to do so, by competition from Bredbandsbolaget and Bostream.
Bredbandsbolaget, apparently not content with losing their edge (their connections are generally considered better than Bostream's, dispite the bandwidth advertised), are preparing to roll out a 100 Mbps service next year, with a 300GB/mo traffic limit, rumored to cost in the neighbourhood of 120 USD/mo; I wonder how people will survive such terribly restrictive limits, heh.
In most urban scenarios, there isn't any divide and conquer going on. Having many providers competing in the same areas has its advantages.
I've never even been to Sweden, but happen to know a lot of Swedish netizens. Most of those are hard-core gamers, the most demanding users you'll find; anything short of 1MB/sec downloads and 10ms latency domestically, and they'll be screaming.
The A in ADSL stands for asymmetric.
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We are a DSL provider. I know what Verizon charges us for a 768/128 DSL. If we charged $30/month for a 768k DSL circuit, we would be loosing about $8/month. This does not even take into account support costs, our link to Verizon, or our bandwidth from our upstream providers.
For a broadband ISP to make money by selling DSL, they need to either own the network themselves (ie Verizon, SBC, CLEC's, etc) or have major quantities of customers to get any type of discount from the ILEC/CLEC.
Luckily our broadband wireless lets us provide a decent broadband product at a decent price and actually make a bit of money off of it.
...for DSL at $27/mo. If only SBC's pre-sales would actually answer my questions via email.
My wife spoke to a salesrep who claimed a bunch of shit that was against what is/was in the TOS/AUP. When I emailed to get someone from presales to answer some questions to clear this up, the twits it got routed to kept wanting me to call some 800#.
Uhm, hello? Its one thing to promise WTF you want to me over the phone. Give me 30 days to test the service vs. RR, a way to drop your service without having to pay through the nose if I think its shit, and put all of it in writing.
At least with RR I can drop them at any time without a penalty. Until the DSL providers start offering this ability, people like me will stay with RR. I just hope that if the prices continue to drop for DSL (or stay way down) RR will have to come down too.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
i have dsl through a local company that does dsl and dialup. $60/month. this included 4 static addresses.
bell was $50 for 1 dynamic address and (i think) $129 for 1 static. and way out of control for more than one static ip.
adelphia (cabletv) was $50 for 1 dynamic, $150 for 1 static address and *another* $150 if you needed another (one address per cable!)
bell jumped out with teeth and claws a short time ago. i had a (bell) customer with 5 regular lines and they were paying 225/month. bell offered them 5 lines and dsl for 195/month. something smells here, but i asked all the questions. it will be interesting to see if they can maintain a reasonable data rate...
*i* think they (bell) were afraid of adelphia and not the 'other' dsl providers. i think also it's a hook to keep customers on land lines. ya gotta have copper (or fiber) to have dsl. this may also be to keep people from moving that number to cell phone.
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this ought to be interesting.
I'm an Australian who just moved from living in the USA to living in Seoul. In the US i was paying about $45 a month for RoadRunner. Performance was pretty good at around 3Mbps.
Here in Seoul I've got KT-ntopia which is a fiber-to-the-building 100BaseT-ethernet-to-your-apartment technology. I regularly get 30-50Mbps (yes, 3-5 megaBYTES a second). Unlimited use, and it costs me about $35 a month. Ntopia isn't available to older apartments, but there you can get VDSL (similar speed) or 5Mbps ADSL.
Population density definitely has something to do with it, but not everything. I can't think of any reason you couldn't offer the same service for the same price in a city like NYC. Similar population density and similar type of housing, and I'm sure most of the population nice and close enough to the exchange for VDSL to work.
" They're both overpriced for what you get? "
Absolutely.
There have been articles in the computer press lately discussing that in Japan 20Mb/s download is the norm for approximately $20-30 a month, and Korea features 26Mb/s for the same price.
We get 1.5 and we're supposed to be *grateful*?
Your comparison with T1's is faulty for a couple of reasons:
1) The cost of T1's is artifically high because of the way the local loop is priced. Its a huge profit center, and the phone company has always positioned it as a way to subsidize residential service.
2) T1's have SLA's. Your DSL or Cable line does not.
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They're up to $52 a month. It's a great connection but how high will the price go?
I pay about $55/mo for 1.5 Mb, but in all seriousness, since their TOS forbids almost anything useful, the only time I really NEED that bandwidth is when I'm downloading the ISOs for a new version of linux, or the occasional game demo. I'm thinking I might be nearly as satisfied with a 128K DSL connection, which is $20/mo less. Granted, there's a huge diffrence in bandwidth there, but again...the time I'd use 1.5 Mbs is so limited, I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth the extra money.
For two years I had SBC DSL and had no problem, everything was great, good speed, same ip for over a year solid then suddenly I started getting outages, every night, between 6-10pm.
I did everything I knew to fix the problem but it always came back, almost like clockwork at the same time and ended at roughly the same time every night. When things were working the speed and stability was as I'd come to expect, when it wasn't I was basically cut off. I even let my pc sit and ping a server (one of my work servers) while I was out for town for a weekend and it still happened, so I was convinced it wasn't anything I was doing.
Eventually I called SBC and they "fixed" the problem (their explanation "Your phone line has degraded.") by halving my UL/DL speeds from UL 1.5M to 750k etc.
Everything was fine, then a couple of months later, the problem is back. Same problem, same answer, cut my UL/DL in half again to 380k. At this point I start looking for alternative services, alas none are available, and other DSL providers were out they'd be using the same crap lines/equipment that was causing the problem...
Few more months, it's baaaaack...
Suddenly I'm playing $55/month for 128k down with insufferable packet loss (i.e. no meaningful online gaming) and no recourse. Eventually my local cable company finally wired my block and now I'm back to 1.5m so the story has a happy ending for me. Not so happy an ending for SBC as they were nailed in a class action for these very problems, slower than advertised speeds, frequent interruptions, barely functioning Usenet servers...
Read about it here.
As I'd already switched to another provider I was only due $20, but those who were still on SBC could get up to $100 in, get this, credit from SBC for DSL service! If you were so fed up with SBC that you wanted to cancel your service before the one year contract was up that $100 might go a long way toward your cancellation fee.
Given all this frustration I'll never recommend SBC to anyone.
Plus, their phone CSRs have a neverending litany of "We don't have supervisors", "I am the supervisor", or "There is no other tier of technical support available". Great tip to get to someone who knows what their doing in a tech phone tree: Lie just like they do. An (somewhat embelished) example:
CSR: "What version of Windows are you running?"
ME: "Three".
CSR: "Three?"
ME: Yeah, three.
CSR: There's no such thing as Windows 3.
ME: Yeah, there is, I'm looking at it. It's on an old 486 laptop. I've got Trumpet Winsock running and a PPOE client I wrote that used to work fine, but now just lets me connect and ping servers on my local subnet, but ever time I start up a web browser I get a password dialogue and no matter what I type it comes back with some Redback Aggregation Router configuration thingee about "Do I want to commit these changes and reset " or something like that.
CSR: Uh, let me put you on hold for a minute.
That's how you find the supervisor...
-dameron
In a word, No.
That's the one thing I hate about DSL. You *must* have a landline in order to get/use it. So in my case, I pay $25/month for a landline plus $30/month for SBC/Yahoo! DSL which works out to $55/month. At that price, you might as well stick to your cable since it's probably MUCH faster.
I don't know what your speeds are but I had a non-artificially capped 640/256Kbit business DSL line for $70 a month. Cox wanted to charge $200 or so for a line that was only 50% faster up and artificially capped. Since I was (and still am) running a very large web-site it's the upstream speed that matters. Cox also caps the upload amount at a rediculous 7.5GB. Compare that to the 50GB+ I was doing with my DSL line. It was nearly saturated when I went to colo.
Qwest couldn't get me a faster line either due to my distance to the telco.
I now pay $175 a month for 30GB of transfer (+$2 per GB over) for a 10Mbit colo line at the ISP I had the DSL account through. I've had to All Access Pass more to keep the transfer amounts down but I'm working on alternate ways to bring in funds so I can open it up a bit.
I also switched my home internet connection to Cox (and got digital telephone) since Cox is a better deal for typical internet use.
If you're running a server you may want to consider that road. Colo packages tend to be cheaper and far faster.
I use a custom version of WinVNC so it's not too terrible maintaining it. Having the server physically accessible 24/7 was nice.
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Price wars are a bad thing - they cause small competitors to be driven out of business...
Not necessarily. Price wars usually means there are several companies trying to establish certain market share. What you're talking about is when one deep pocketed company sells a product well beyond the price in order to drive competition out of business. Once the competitors are out of question, the price goes back up. I believe this process is called dumping in economics, and is considered illegal. It might be tricky to prove though.
There's nothing wrong with healthy competition, it drives innovation, and customers get better product for lower price.
What's REALLY bad is monopoly.
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