Pigeons Faster than Internet
An anonymous reader writes "The topic of pigeons and modern technology has come up a number of times now. For instance, we have the Google pigeon rank method, and there have been several April fools hoaxes like this previous story and RFC 2549. Now the Waikato Times is reporting in this story about how pigeons are being used to transfer large amounts of data in a short amount of time. The pigeons have proven to be faster and more relieable than electronic means. However, as you will see from the story there is still the occasional packet loss. This is definitely a case of high bandwidth wireless networking."
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Doesn't poop all over the place. I keed! I keed!
Increasing bandwidth would be cheap enough. Either by more birds or bigger birds. Kind of like servers :)
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
Just reading the slashdot blurb, I get the image of a pigeon with a couple of DVD data discs tied to it's feet, and the resulting attempt to fly is quite comical...
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
*writes note saying "ping" and ties to to a pigeon*
This is going to take awhile...
Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway"
The concept had just hit a snag however.
Nesting karearea (native falcons) have attacked and killed some of the pigeons mid-flight.
"A pigeon can fly at a cruising speed of 65km/h, 100km/h when pushed," said Mr Andreef. "But native falcons fly at up to 250km/h."
Once he discovered what was happening to his birds Mr Andreef grounded his 50-pigeon operation.
He expected the falcons' nesting season to finish within the next few weeks.
The pigeon communicators better get ready to welcome their new overlords--the Falcons. Can you see the DDoS attacks coming?
I tried playing Quake III over this, but the ping time made it rather frustrating :|
does packet colision occur when the pigeon hole principle comes into effect?
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"the pigeons were 99 per cent reliable"
The thought of pigeons transferring data gives a whole new meaning to dropping packets.
I speculate they would become only 60% reliable when flying over statues, park benches, and human beings.
... swallows ?
(European or otherwise).
Remember also the story posted last year - Snail Mail Still Winning The Bandwidth War, where the discussion focused on Netflix.
I think it's an interesting way to compare the two, but it's ultimately pointless. I can carry my 60 gig HD across the room (or the house) in much faster time than I can send all that data over my home network, and that's likely going to be true as both transfer rates and storage capacity increase with time. Pigeons are novel, of course, but as mentioned earlier, packet loss is a bitch.
Follow That Feather
Fully aware of the gravity of the situation, Dick Dastardly and his proud men try to eliminate the pigeon with a feather seeking homing missile. the cartoon
MoFscker
Muttley you snickering floppy eared hound, When courage is needed, you're never around! Those medals you wear on your moth-eaten chest, Should be there for bungling at which you are best!
So, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop that Pigeon
How?
Nab him! Jab him! Tab him! Grab him!
Stop that pigeon
Now!
You Zilly, stop sneaking it's not worth the chance, For you'll be returned by the seat of your pants! And Klunk, you invent me a thingamybob, That catches that pigeon, or I lose my job!
So, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon, Stop The Pigeon
Stop that Pigeon
How?
Nab him! Jab him! Tab him! Grab him!
Stop that pigeon Now!
The mp3
MoFscker
"A pigeon can fly at a cruising speed of 65km/h, 100km/h when pushed," said Mr Andreef. "But native falcons fly at up to 250km/h."
Wow. I realise they won't be going at 250kph for very long (presumably during a swoop down from above) but that's a fantastically fast speed for something of flesh and blood...
"The terminal velocity of a falling human being with arms and legs outstretched is about 120 miles per hour (192 km per hour) - slower than a lead balloon, but a good deal faster than a feather!" (from falling feather)
So I guess until someone straps a jetpack on their back and power-dives, no human will ever experience it...
Simon.
Physicists get Hadrons!
50,000 pigeons with a note saying "SYN" tied to them flying to Utah..
Trolling is a art,
Nesting karearea (native falcons) have attacked and killed some of the pigeons mid-flight.
Puts TTL into perspective...
"A pigeon can fly at a cruising speed of 65km/h, 100km/h when pushed," said Mr Andreef. "But native falcons fly at up to 250km/h."
Looks like a perfect opportunity for an upgrade. They just have to train the falcons, and then they'll get a network that's 2.5 times faster, and less likely to be devoured.
Nick Andreef's pigeons are faster than the internet, but no match for falcons.
Faster than the internet? Let's see:
- The picture shows a Memory Stick. That's at most 1GB (the blue MS like the one on the picture are at most 256MB, but let's be generous),
- the pigeons go at 65 kph,
- they have to travel over 20 km.
That's 20km/65kph = 1107 seconds. Which converts to slightly less than 942 KBps. Now, I don't know what kind of ISPs they have in New Zealand, but 1MBps shouldn't be that hard to achieve! Even using the announced 3GB capacity of a single bird, that's just 3MBps.
Maybe if they had used one of those wireless networks they wouldn't need to feed pigeons (and clean up after them)? Even the falcons go at a mere 10MBps bandwidth!
Shotgun
Yes, these pigeons are fast, But can they bet a 747 loaded with DVDs?
SOLDIER #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two pigeons carried it together?
SOLDIER #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
SOLDIER #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a strand of creeper!
SOLDIER #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
SOLDIER #2: Well, why not?
birdtraq has a posting documenting the 'falcon exploit' describing it as a DOS (denial of seed) attack similar to the 'buckshot' attack, in that not only is the route broken, but the media is eaten. It is noted that even though the carrier may seasonally be reclassified as 'lunch' the data payload may be considered unappetizing and therefore recoverable. Affected users may attempt the alternate SSL (Slow Sparrow Layer) method in hopes of being overlooked. The vulnerability affects owl users of Linux and Windows. In a related story, SCO claims that since it has proved in court that it owns all code ever written, it will be selling licenses on a per egg basis to existing pigeon owners as soon as the massive hummingbird attack on its own server ends.
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TCP/IP doesn't leave shits all over the place
DVD Ripping, Divx, VCD, SVCD under Linux
SOLDIER #1: Where'd you get the data?
ARTHUR: We found it.
SOLDIER #1: Found it? In here? That's impossble!
ARTHUR: What do you mean?
SOLDIER #1: Well, there's no Internet access for miles.
ARTHUR: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
SOLDIER #1: Are you suggesting data migrates?
ARTHUR: Not at all. It could be carried.
SOLDIER #1: What? A swallow carrying a case DVDs?
ARTHUR: It could grip it by the edge!
SOLDIER #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound DVD case.
ARTHUR: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
SOLDIER #1: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
ARTHUR: Please!
SOLDIER #1: Am I right?
ARTHUR: I'm not interested!
SOLDIER #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
SOLDIER #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That's my point.
SOLDIER #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
ARTHUR: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
SOLDIER #1: But then of course a-- African swallows are non-migratory.
SOLDIER #2: Oh, yeah.
SOLDIER #1: So, they couldn't bring the DVDs back anyway.
SOLDIER #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?
SOLDIER #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
SOLDIER #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a strand of creeper!
SOLDIER #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
SOLDIER #2: Well, why not?
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
I am not vetrenarian - I have rescued a crashed server before - but I don't think I could save a crashed pigeon...
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
...a DDoS attack over this looking like a scence out of Hitchcock's The Birds...
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Bandwith may be OK, but the latency must be horrible. I don't think I'll sign up for Counterstrike using this method... /Tor
pong **** CARRIER LOST
wow.... That phrase has a great deal more irony now.
So I guess until someone straps a jetpack on their back and power-dives, no human will ever experience it...
Michel fournier is planning to attempt to skydive from 130,000 feet and reach supersonic speeds (1200 to 1600 kmph / 750 to 1000 mph).
Nick Piantanida tried and failed to do that in 1965. And all these are unpowered skydives.
Maybe we deserve this world ?
New York Times: Youth Arrested for Pigeon Tampering
[ name withheld ] was arrested for using an illeagle Pigeon Network Sniffer and accessing huge amounts of data being shuttled by the pigeon network over the last two weeks.
Police say the h4xx0r sat in Central Park, using large amounts of high-quality seed strewn on open ground to re-route the network data stream and hijack the transfer media. The pigeon data was then compromised and copied to the thief's laptop.
Authories say that pigeon network customers became suspicious when network latency increased.
Penises have higher bandwidth than cable modems. [The following found, of course, on the Internet.]
.005 tb/s. Cable modems generally transmit somewhere around 1/5000th of that .
The human genome is about 3,120,000,000 base pairs long, so half of that is in each spermatozoa -- 1,560,000,000 base pairs . Each side of these base pairs can either be an adenine -thymine or a guanine -cytosine bond, and they can be aligned either direction, so there are four choices. Four possibilities for a value means it can be fully represented with two bits; 00 = guanine, 01 = cytosine, and so forth.
The figures that I've read state the number of sperm in a human ejaculation to be anywhere from 50 to 500 million. I'm going to go with the number 200,000,000 sperm cells , but if anyone knows differently, please tell me.
Putting these together, the average amount of information per ejaculation is 1.560*10^ 9* 2 bits * 2.00*10^ 8, which comes out to be 6.24*10 ^17 bits. That's about 78,000 terabytes of data! As a basis of comparison, were the entire text content of the Library of Congress to be scanned and stored, it would only take up about 20 terabytes. If you figure that a male orgasm lasts five seconds , you get a transmission rate of 15,600 tb/s . In comparison, an OC-96 line (like the ones that make up much of the backbone of the internet ) can move
If you consider signal to noise , though, the figures come out much differently. If only the single sperm cell that fertilizes the egg counts as signal , you get (1.560*10^ 9* 2 bits) / 5 s = 6.24*10^ 8bits/s, or somewhere in the neighborhood of 78 Mb/s . Still a great deal more bandwidth than your average cable modem.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
The LUG in my area, Bergen Linux User Group, implemented RFC1149 when Alan Cox visited (of course he was a key part of the project). Pigeons were used in a real-life experiment that had IP implemented over avian carriers. See the details with pictures here.
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
...you can tell that 95% of the "Score 5" posts are going to be modded "Funny".
RFC 2549 needs a security extension to address man (falcon) in the middle insecurity. I propose encoding multiple packets per UDP-style transmission. The Waitomo network lab can report on the "fodder multiplier" necessary to ensure that network noise consumes only superflous redundant packets. A received ACK packet (similarly multiplied) can be flown back to confirm transmission.
Perhaps a honeypot project can be used to capture attacker packets, baited with pigeons^Wpackets with a low TTL. Once recoded, these "black hat" falcons^Wpackets might be retrained for security enhancement, or experiments with a lower-latency protocol.
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How well will the Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite work over IP over Avian Carriers with QoS? Anyone try it? If you have any implementation tips, particularly for decreasing lag between ZOO and SIMIAN, please post them here.
I claim first use of "Error No. 0B" - or "No. 0B error." It'll be the new ID 10T!
There has to be a good swallow joke to be made from it too. If you know what I mean.
P2P now stands for Pegeon to Pr0n!