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Former Netscape Executive gives $4000 to AmiZilla

POds writes "Recently a Former Netscape Executive made a 2000 dollar donation to the Amizilla project, but for one reason or another, decided 2000 wasn't good enough and donated, yet another 2000 dollars. His only request is that he wants to see the amount get over $10,000 so is requesting others donate what they can. The Booty is now over $8400 and goes to the first developer(s) to port Mozilla to the Amiga platform."

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  1. Coderbase: Convinced by anaphora · · Score: 5, Funny

    8. Linux Coders we want you. Linux programmers are also welcome to try their hand @ porting Mozilla to Amiga. They are a talented group of coders and have given Microsoft a lot of grief. Nice Show!

    Well, you just found your coderbase, AmiZilla. Anytime you offer money, bring up microsoft negatively, feed L-Users' egos, and reward them for doing what they're good at, you've got 80% of the L-Zealots behind you.

    1. Re:Coderbase: Convinced by StarWreck · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's a lot of history of sticking it Microsoft when you refer to Amiga. A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away... There was COMMODORE!

      To keep from starving to death, Bill Gates sold an unlimited liscense for BASIC to Commodore for a ham sandwich and a bag of doritos. Commodore then proceeded to put BASIC on 30 million computers, without having to pay Bill Gates a single dime.

      It was a better time back then.

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  2. $4000! by neonstz · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's $400 per potentional user!

    1. Re:$4000! by 56ker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you've underestimated the amount of Amiga users. The main reason (I'm sure) Mozilla hasn't been ported yet is that the Amiga already has three browsers of its own - Voyager, IBrowser & AWeb.

    2. Re:$4000! by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They were on about porting Mozilla to the Amiga back when Mozilla was created. The problem at the time was the Amiga APIs and GUI systems were all C based. C++ wasn't really in widespread use.

      I don't know what the current situation is, but I feel the replacement for the Amiga is Linux.

    3. Re:$4000! by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that porting Mozilla is a rather complex task, especially for a single person.

      a platform made in the last 10 years.

      Platforms made in the last 10 years include the Amiga, and various Amiga-clones. Now consider the amount of Amiga software released in the last 10 years, and the software on other platforms that was either ported from the Amiga, or written by ex-Amiga developers..

      Look, I hate flamewars as much as the next guy, but come ON! This is the amiga for cripes sake.

      I'm sure everyone says that. "I hate flamewars, but this is something I hate, so I'm going to flame anyway".

  3. Please give us Firebird first by cloudless.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would love to see the Mozilla team to work towards the 1.0 version of Firebird first. Please set the priority straight.

    1. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Dreadlord · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mozilla team has nothing to do with this, it's a contest of porting Mozilla to Amiga, the developer who does it wins the money, check out this.
      But I think I somehow agree with you, how cares really about porting Mozilla to Amiga while there are lots of useful Open Source projects that require more support?

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    2. Re:Please give us Firebird first by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The Mozilla team is anyone who wants to throw their help into the project. Lot's of people don't work on Firebird (the browser), but their contribution is still important. Think of people working on mail / news, editting, embedding etc.


      If someone wants to port to Amiga, then let them. For all anyone knows they might find some bugs in the layout engine, or widgets or add something useful to the configuration script etc. . It's even possible that while porting to what might politely be called a throwback platform they introduce benefits that other low performance platforms such as handhelds can use.


      In other words, the more platforms the merrier.

    3. Re:Please give us Firebird first by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you have it all backwards. The people doing the coding, they get to deicide what is more or less worthwhile.

      Ijits on slashdot, who likely have never seen an Amiga (and despite the contest rules, UAE doesn't count), shouldn't go dissing what was once an awesome computer.

      I have 5 or so Amigas, and the only thing that makes my interest so slight is lack of an ethernet card for them. $100+ for 10baseT on ebay is absurd, even by my standards.

    4. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Tassach · · Score: 3, Informative
      Have you tried a parallel port Ethernet adapter? You should be able to find an old one (Xircom) on Ebay that will work with the Amiga.

      Another cheap and easy way to get IP connectivity to your Amiga is PLIP: run the plip daemon on a linux box, then run a null-modem parallel cable from the Linux box to your Amiga's parallel port.

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  4. *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What $10,000 could have done to advance some more meaningful Open Source project. What's next-- OpenOffice for C64?

    1. Re:*sigh* by LearnToSpell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why the hell not? It's his money, not yours. If you think there's enough demand for OO.o on C64 (or whatever), and you want it that bad, put up some money and see what happens. Criticizing what other people think is important enough to spend money on is pretty lame.

    2. Re:*sigh* by Bloody+Twit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now that I found some documentation for GEOS I'll get right on it. Might have to dust-off the ol' 512K RAM expansion cart, though...

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    3. Re:*sigh* by Stray7Xi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm glad you realize that you should donate to projects you find meaningful. (Apparently this guy already did)

    4. Re:*sigh* by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What $10,000 could have done to advance some more meaningful Open Source project. What's next-- OpenOffice for C64?

      First of all, it's Amiga not C64. I don't like Macs, but that doesn't mean I say "What next, an Apple II port?" when I see a Mac story.

      Secondly, I don't know about bounties in particular, but bear in mind that platforms such as Windows have had a phenomenal amount spent on them in terms of general software development, compared to niche platforms. We're talking billions. Macs probably get a fair amount too. Linux gets plenty of both commercial and open source development.

      Yet as soon as someone stumps up a few thousand to help fund a possible port of a browser (to a platform whose browsers lack all sorts of modern features), this is seemingly unfair?

      Rightly or wrongly, the market is driven by those with money to spend. Most of the time, that means that Windows wins, and platforms like the Amiga lose out. This is one of those rare times when things don't go that way.

    5. Re:*sigh* by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bah! Amiga is as dead as the Netscape browser!... errr.. oh wait...

  5. Different Idea by Matt2000 · · Score: 4, Funny


    I'll give $10,000 to all those who refuse to port anything to the Amiga, just to let those poor souls who still care move on with their lives.

    Please guys, this holiday season take some time out of your schedule and knock an Amiga user unconscious, then nurse them back to health. That won't accomplish much in the long term, I agree, but it will shut them up for a couple days.

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    1. Re:Different Idea by anaphora · · Score: 5, Funny

      I refuse. Where's my money?

  6. I'm looking for the new amiga... by adept256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    because every couple of years I read something like this:
    http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34922, 00.html
    the architecture of the original amiga was very innovative, more like a ps2 than a pc
    I still get a kick from looking at some raytraces I did back in the old amiga days

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  7. always leaving out Atari... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why stop at just the Amiga? How about the Atari ST platform? After all, STick, Cab, and Mosaic all ran on it... and, the ST had support built in for ISDN way back in 1985 in the OS...

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    1. Re:always leaving out Atari... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am), but wouldn't a port from Amiga to ST be relatively easy? I know that for a while there they had a fair bit of software in common, but I confess that I don't know if it was due to similarities in architecture or similarities in capability."

      The two platforms didn't have much in common other than the fact that they both shared Motorola 680x0 microprocessors and the optional Motorola math co-processors (rare in both platforms standard). Both platforms tended to have more custom chipsets and co-processors than say the Mac or x86 platforms of their era. Graphics, sound, MMU, Blitters, (the Ataris even had their own keyboard processor) etc. If you move up to the Atari Falcon, you had the Motorola 68030 and the Motorla DSP processor, but the Falcon is a rare bird of the ST platform, probably rarer than the Amiga 3000.

      Then there's the fact that Atari's TOS operating system was essentially CP/M68K (GEMDOS) with a customized Digital Research GEM GUI sitting on top. Granted, early Linux was ported over to the ST/TT/Falcon platform so I guess there's that route...

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    2. Re:always leaving out Atari... by vidarh · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Actually the Amiga had it's own keyboard CPU too. It was a 6502 compatible chip with on board PROM and RAM clocked at somewhere above 1MHz.

      I once had a really bastardized Amiga 2000, with a total of 6 general purpose CPU's in it (of which two were not in use): A 68000 on the motherboard, a 68020 acellerator card, a PC card with an 8086 (let you run DOS apps in a window on your Amiga desktop) upgraded with a 286 accelerator card, the 6502 compatible CPU on the keyboard and a Z80 controlled SCSI controller...

      Those were the days :-)

  8. In other news... by JamesP · · Score: 5, Funny

    Porting of MySQL to C64 begins, and an undisclosed donor has donated $5000 to the fist person to run Apache from a Tamagotchi

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  9. Amiga is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    3. The AmiZilla Project must fully compile with running binaries on each of the following Amiga-like OS's: OS3.1, OS3.5+, MorphOS, UAE, Amithlon, DraCo. (Hint: don't hit the hardware, and stick to OS3.1: MUI, ClassAct 2, some internal gadget system, and bgui are acceptable).

    I was the proud owner of a 500, 2000, and 4000(which I sold at a profit many years back). The Amiga was the hardware. It had a great API but the hardware(angus, denise, etc.) was what it was all about. If you aren't hitting the hardware, it's Amiga in name only.

  10. Amiga zealots. by saintlupus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Booty is now over $8400 and goes to the first developer(s) to port Mozilla to the Amiga platform.

    I'm a BSD and Macintosh fan. And even I think the Amiga is dead.

    It's not beleaguered. It's not "dying". It's dead. It's been ten years. For crissake, give up already. They were great back in the day, but so was Lionel Ritchie and skinny ties.

    --saint

    1. Re:Amiga zealots. by Seehund · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, the Amiga is dead and buried. The story is a bit misleading.

      "Port Mozilla to AmigaOS and similar/compatible OSes" would probably have been more accurate.

      AmigaOS might get a chance to live on in version 4, on off the shelf 3rd party hardware, if the company that whimsically calls itself "Amiga Inc." would only give it a chance instead of actively doing all they can to kill it in its cradle. Then there's things like the API compatible MorphOS and the open source AROS.

      And no, Lionel Ritchie and skinny ties have never been great.

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    2. Re:Amiga zealots. by segmond · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate your attitude, since when does population in terms of software use mean that a platform or a software is dead? Imagine this, is QBASIC dead? Sure, for developers right? But if some company out there is using it, which there are still many using it, and their business depends on it, and it does what it is suppose to do, why should they upgrade? Because people are saying it is dead? Let me ask you a question. Do you know how many QBasic apps are behind some business logic/functions out there? If I say more than 50,000. Will you be surprised? Do you know how many Amiga fans/users are out there? If there are 20,000 of them. That is still a very big user base. So long as they are happy with their OS and can do all that they desire, it is not dead. Whoopie, I use a P90mhz, 40mb, 2gig laptop. All my friends laugh at it and say it is ancient. I just smile, because it meets all my needs! So it's not ancient to me.

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    3. Re:Amiga zealots. by downix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Correct, to his A500 it would be.

      But check the specs again, it's not planned nor even attempted for the A500. It's for the latest models, the most expandible, and even non-Amiga hardware that can run Amiga API's. We're talking it is for Athlons, PowerPC, even 68040/060 machines. A1200's alongside Dells and Pegasos.

      AROS runs on PC's, and MorphOS runs on the PowerPC based Pegasos.

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    4. Re:Amiga zealots. by frankbro · · Score: 2, Informative
      Bribing people to port new, resource hungry software to a decade-old platform is an exercise in frustration. Now, someone else in this thread said that the AmiZilla port is more aimed at the "new and exciting" AmigaOS that everyone's been promising for the last five years. Hey, that would be great. My impression was that some poor bastard was taking on the task of porting Moz to his A500, and that just struck me as futile and impractical.

      The port of Mozilla to AmigaOS is not for people with a stock A500 and AmigaOS 1.3. It is for those with much more powerful Amigas and at least AmigaOS 3.x. The preferred OS will be AmigaOS 4.0 at it is soon to be released, running on new PowerPC hardware. It will also work with MorphOS, which is in its 1.4 release, and runs on the Pegasos PowerPC platform. MorphOS shares the same API's as AmigaOS 3.1.

  11. I'll offer $5.00.. by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you port it to the Commodore 64.

    Seriously though, I love Amigas (had three of 'em up until a year ago) but the old machines are dying off partly because the batteries are cracking open and ruining the motherboards.

  12. only 4k? by n0k14 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me or is $4000 not very much money

    1. Re:only 4k? by Little+Brother · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it isn't much money to you, would you PLEASE send me just HALF of it? Please? No? Why not?

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    2. Re:only 4k? by eln · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Depends on what you think your time is worth I guess. For most programmers, $4000 for something that would probably take a few months at least of full time programming is an insult. For college students who could take a year doing it in their spare time, $4000 buys a whole lot of beer.

      If anyone does this though, I suspect it'll be a hard-core Amiga zealot whose primary motivation is not the money.

  13. Re:http://www.aros.org by saintlupus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    its so nice to piss down on somone else and forget where your OS of choice were just few years back!

    I got started on Commodore gear -- my parents bought a C64 when I was really young, and that what I cut my programmng teeth on.

    I read Commodore Magazine for years, typing in the programs in the back and trying to figure out what they do.

    I called my first BBSes at 1200 baud on that C64. And I was really jealous of everyone who had an Amiga or an Atari ST.

    Hell, I was even excited when Gateway bought up all the rights to the Amiga name. This was, of course, back when a Gateway was still a premium machine. "At last! The Amiga is coming back! I can finally get one!"

    But it's over. The Amiga has been gone for so long that there's nothing but a string of hucksters trying to trade on the name. The platform is dead. It's a shame -- I always wanted one -- but it's over.

    The diversity in computing is gone. I work for a college, and there are kids in the CS department who don't believe me when I say that there used to be so many different platforms. It's sad, but it's true, and noble efforts like this AmiZilla bribery don't change it.

    --saint

  14. You don't tell opensource programmers what to do.. by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...with their time. It is that simple.

    If the donator want's to sponsor porting mozilla over to the original NES, then, that's his right. If someone wants to code it, then that is their right as well.

    No one's stoping you from sponsoring the main firebird's development.

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  15. What actually happened by LokiSteve · · Score: 2, Funny

    He actually just hit refresh and ended up double posting.

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  16. Re:http://www.aros.org by zulux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The diversity in computing is gone

    I know how you feel - but the fun in computing is coming BACK!!!!!

    Five years ago, you had a choice: Windows98, WindowsNT or some wacky hard-to find os called Linux that you probably diden't know existed. Oh, and Mac's were ok if you were one of those "Artisits"

    Now you can by $1000 Sun/Solaris Boxes

    Macs are kick ass computers.

    There Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD - the're all cool.

    Hell, even XP isen't soooo bad for light use.

    Thinkgs are gitting fun again!!

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  17. How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If this system of bounty-posting works, I'd like to invest in getting a recent version of Mozilla ported to Mac-OS. The final build we got for Mac-OS doesn't have spam-filtering, fails to render slashdot some of the time, and has a debilitating bug where the focus is lost if you change to another app with mozilla mimimised, stopping you using the keyboard.

    Mac-OS has a massive userbase of low coputer-literacy 'creative' people who bought a mac for usability and are highly resistant to retraining to OSX, but since OSX is a much nicer development environment, all the programmers were very quick to jump ship. It would certainly make my life easier if I could migrate all the designers I look after to Mozilla.

    So, is there a bounty for a Mac-OS port out there, or how do I start one and get it noticed by potention developers/contributors?

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  18. What is this rampant hypocrisy? by Trilobyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really get sick of all these people saying "The Amiga is Dead" simply because there's no marketing machine or company behind the name. (Even if there is, and they are a poor company).

    Since when did a marketing machine and financial support determine an OS's (or platform's) viability? Is Windows 98 dead now that Microsoft no longer supports or markets it? I don't think so, since so many programs you buy still work on it and countless computers still run it.

    I think it's a bit silly for people hanging out in an open-source, FREE SOFTWARE themed forum, to say that a platform is dead because it's not CORPORATE.

    Nevermind that there are still tens of thousands of dedicated users who operate Amigas side-by-side with other more advanced computers; who use the Amiga for what it can do because they like the way it does those things, but use the more advanced hardware for what the Amiga lacks. That independent software developers have been inventing their own solutions to internet connectivity and audio playback/editing and UNIX cross-platform compatibility for YEARS now, ABSOLUTELY FREE, and oftentimes WITHOUT the help from all the befuddling Linux/sf.net open source existing code. These people are doing it from scratch using the AmigaOS's API because it's GOOD, and EFFICIENT, and actually rather fun to program.

    Isn't that incredibly respectable in the mindset of this forum? No?

    So I guess I should stop now. I could go on forever. I find it incredibly painful that otherwise open-minded, inspired folks find it perfectly fine to diss a platform and make value judgments about it when THEY'VE NEVER EVEN USED IT.

  19. Cocaine, Move Over by occamboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe that Robin Williams said that "Cocaine is God's way of telling you you have too much money."

    Move over cocaine: you've been eclipsed!

  20. $1 Million dollars! by alecf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rumor has it a certain Mr. Flinstone will pay $1 million dollars to the first person to port mozilla to "that wooden calculator with the bird inside."

  21. Poor slashdot attitude by oobar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There seem to be a lot of responses along the lines of "(sigh) Why oh why are resources being wasted on this? Can't they work on the mainstream platform instead? Imagine what that money could do..." This completely misses the point. The donor behind this obviously sees some need or desire to see Moz on the Amiga, and is willing to put his money where his mouth is. If you don't agree, fine. If you want to see mainline Mozilla development continue, then donate to the Mozilla Foundation. Otherwise don't complain about a perceived injustice to something provided to you for free.

    It's like complaining about how muscular dystrophy is such a worthless cause and all those losers who donated to MD research could have made a bigger impact if they'd contributed to AIDS research instead.

  22. I said it in the past... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...I'll say it again.

    I used to code quite a bit on the Amiga. I would love to get back into the show and donate my time and my help (if I could be any help at all) to a worthwhile opened source Amiga project.

    I'll get started the moment they ACTUALLY deliver that new and exciting entry into personal computers that they've been promising for years.

    Oh, and sneak peaks at "Maybe Almost Sort of Available Hardware that only runs Linux at the moment" doesn't count.

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  23. Re:I am truly impressed by vidarh · · Score: 2, Informative
    The shortlist of what I still miss from my Amiga using days:

    • Datatypes - Amiga had a generalized system for basic handling of file types that allowed you to drop in a library to handle a data type (an image format for instance) and all programs that used datatypes and could handle the particular type of data (image, sound etc.) would instantly be able to load and save and manipulate the new format in various ways.
    • Assigns. Almost like symlinks, but volatile and not visible in the filesystem. Almost like shell aliases, but visible in file selectors
    • A usable file selector... I to this day have not seen any other one that I've been as satisfied with as the file selectors used on the Amiga (plural, because most people would use slightly enhanced onces, from the asl or arq libraries)
    • Workbench... There was much discussion about spatial finders here earlier. Amiga's Workbench had the basics, and was lightweight enough to be usable even on very slow machines. Back then I did manage my files graphically - I've not seen a graphical file manager that's been good enough since, though Nautilus is slowly approaching a usable state at least on CPU's a few hundred times faster than the Amigas
    • AREXX, or at least the automation it gave. I hate the language, but love the level of automation offered and having a standard API for doing it. DCOP, DBUS etc. seem to be slowly getting there, but it's still nowwhere near what the Amiga had 15 years ago. The beauty of it was simplicity - Arexx only passed arrays of strings around and got arrays of strings back, and how apps dealt with what they got was up to the apps. For most automation tasks that's all that's needed... Most newer attempts are severely over-engineered.
    • Some of the apps, that I've not yet found replacements for that I'm happy with: Diskmaster II (I've seen a few DOpus clones, and they might do the trick, haven't tried them though), Cygnus ED (combined with Arexx it was a great development environment), Deluxe Paint IV and Digipaint (Gimp may have more features, but Deluxe Paint and Digipaint are still miles ahead in terms of usability for basic freehand or pixel work)
    • Screens, and having app menus on top of the screen... MDI was a kludge. Menu bars in each app window each screen realestate. Screens were a nice clean solution, and I DID regularly use the ability to drag them. Enlightenment have or had support for draggable screens, but without app support for it you're only halfway there.
    • A standard way of handling command line options that also provided option overviews in a standard format that could easily be parsed by a program