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Former Netscape Executive gives $4000 to AmiZilla

POds writes "Recently a Former Netscape Executive made a 2000 dollar donation to the Amizilla project, but for one reason or another, decided 2000 wasn't good enough and donated, yet another 2000 dollars. His only request is that he wants to see the amount get over $10,000 so is requesting others donate what they can. The Booty is now over $8400 and goes to the first developer(s) to port Mozilla to the Amiga platform."

360 comments

  1. GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by GNAA+Penisbird08 · · Score: -1, Troll
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    1. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Mod the PARENT up.

      He speaks the TRUTH.

    2. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      How is it that in this day and age the GNAA troll, perhaps the most blatant troll to ever appear on Slashdot, gets so many responses? Did everyone here get a lobotomy for Christmas?

    3. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      The Amiga zealots are pouring in. Many are slashdot virgins.

    4. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I am trying your torrent but it seems to be pretty dead. Torrents are scaleable, so I supposue you are a fraud???

    5. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      maybe your computer sucks ass?

    6. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      no, they've all been stupid for years.

    7. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      no... the torrent fails. try it, troll.

    8. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by root:DavidOgg · · Score: -1, Troll

      Post while logged in, so we may compare UserID's

      --
      --AROS is an Open Source AmigaOS clone, and source compatible with AmigaOS! Try the x86 build at http://www.aros.org
    9. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      are you a gay nigger?

    10. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      five different people just downloaded it.. it works, dumbass

    11. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      teehee... that idiot is probably using a Mac, or worse, a Lunix box to download that torrent.. no wonder its not working for him..

      its amazing that he was able to even find the Intarweb button

    12. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Works here on this Amiga.

    13. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Go away! didn't you read the sign? NO SOLICITORS! You damn gay niggers are as bad as Jehovies.

    14. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Oh? What 32bit OS were YOU using in 1985?

    15. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Can bisexual sand-niggers join too? If not, then you're just racist antisematic scum and I won't join.

    16. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      who said anything antisematic? I didn't see any jewbashing?

    17. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      ARABS ARE OF THE SEMATIC RACE TOO you dumb GNAA fucktard. bout time GNAA starts taking up a collection for education of it's members.

    18. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      ok, so obviously GNAA arn't the brightest of the trolls. you guys suck. are there any intelligent trolling organizations out there? This GNAA stuff is perule. (if you are in GNAA, look the word up)

    19. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Osnap! Gnaa got pwn3d!

      You get it WRONG!

    20. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      can you say non-sequitur , dumbass?

    21. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      uh, no one in the GNAA made any of the above posts

      asshat cracker

    22. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      obviously GNAA arn't the brightest of the trolls

      Your statement is a bit ironic, isn't it?

      This GNAA stuff is perule. (if you are in GNAA, look the word up)

      I suggest that you invest in a good spell checker (and perhaps a dictionary as well) as the word I think you are trying to spell is spelled puerile , you dumb fuck.

      Pot. Kettle. Black. You fucking moron.

    23. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Use the unabridged version you gay nigger, or don't they have those at the public library?

    24. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      > uh, no one in the GNAA made any of the above posts

      you guys are so lame you're embarassed to take credit for your work! (I can't blame you!)
      You guys are lame, by even juvenile crapflooder standards!

      Lynch the GNAA!

    25. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      care to share with us the definition of the word then?

      otherwise you're wrong and you LOSE.

    26. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      you guys are so lame you're embarassed to take credit for your work! (I can't blame you!)
      You guys are lame, by even juvenile crapflooder standards!

      Lynch the GNAA!


      First off, learn how to quote properly you dumbass.

      Second, we only take credit for the stuff we actually did. To take credit for something we didnt post would be plagarism, you dumb moronic idiot.

    27. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Look it up yourself you gay nigger. YOU were the one bitching about spellcheckers.

      Go down to your free public library, it's in Websters Revised unabridged 1913.

    28. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Can't cough up the evidence, can you?

      You gave out a word that doesn't exist. You refuse to back up your claim. So YHL. Have a nice day!

    29. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      > Can't cough up the evidence, can you?

      I already told you where to look, I've spoonfed you the information and you STILL lost! Do you need me to chew your food for you too?

      PERULE - 1913 Websters Revised Unabridged
      look it up! Reading can be fun!

    30. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      PERULE - 1913 Websters Revised Unabridged
      look it up! Reading can be fun!


      Hmm.. no definition, eh?

      If you were actually correct, you would be more than happy to provide the definition and even a URL to online links to really disprove the GNAA wrong. But you cant! You are trying to bluff your way through your own stupidity!

      And you still can't figure out how to quote!

    31. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Actually, Gnome Dictionary does list it with that spelling. Guess he was right. Oh well, we'll try harder next time. Looks like he got us.

      GNAA (we'll be back, and we'll try not to embarass our gay black asses next time, we'll discuss this in IRC)

    32. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Why not just type it instead?

    33. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      why not acknowlege the fact that you lose?

    34. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      "If you were actually correct, you would be more than happy to provide the definition and even a URL to online links to really disprove the GNAA wrong. But you cant! You are trying to bluff your way through your own stupidity!"


      Ok, first you are both complete fucking retards. Perule is a word, but was used in a completely senseless context, showing the parent poster either did make up the word not knowing what the real word meant, or he was just throwing around a word which didn't understand. Merriam-Webster does not recognize this word, so if he may also be using an arcane vocabulary. Throwing around a dead word is a sure sign of ignorance and improper use of what is most likely his native tongue.

      You on the other hand are just as foolish and ignorant as he is, dwelling on minutae to prove some existant argument. How can you bitch at him about not quoting properly when you use an i tag? That's completely amateur, and you need to learn the difference between cite, q, and blockquote as well as and the proper usages of each. The fact that you berate others for not doing something that you do incorrectly is ridiculous.

      All those dedicated to trolling are monkey fucking butthole werewolves.

      YOU BOTH FAIL IT!!!!!
      FAILURE
      FAILURE
      FAILURE

      Get used to that word, you're going to be seeing alot of it over your useless lives.

    35. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Hey, I am trying it too and the .torrent is dead.

    36. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      I tried again, works here on the Amiga

    37. Re:GNAA Member Gives Head to Penisbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      "perule (n) - see perula."

      "perula (n) - 1. One of the scales of a leaf bud. 2. A pouchlike portion of the perianth in certain orchides."

      Pretty scathing insult there, Dr. Schleiden. And as for "arn't," my unabridged dictionary didn't contain it. It may have been an acceptable spelling in, say, 1660, but today it's just more evidence that you're a dumb fuck without two brain cells to rub together.

      Stop breathing my air, faggot.

  2. Song FP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    For my nigs:

    I will troll,
    I will troll,
    The shitty forums of your soul.

    Suck my knob and get it right,
    You don't like to go out at night.
    You're a nerd, I'm a troll.
    Read those forums in your soul.

  3. Coderbase: Convinced by anaphora · · Score: 5, Funny

    8. Linux Coders we want you. Linux programmers are also welcome to try their hand @ porting Mozilla to Amiga. They are a talented group of coders and have given Microsoft a lot of grief. Nice Show!

    Well, you just found your coderbase, AmiZilla. Anytime you offer money, bring up microsoft negatively, feed L-Users' egos, and reward them for doing what they're good at, you've got 80% of the L-Zealots behind you.

    1. Re:Coderbase: Convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Alternatively, bring up L-users negatively, re-assure insecure M$ programmers with words like zealot and amateur and you'll have 80% of the M$ zealots behind you. Not sure about the quality of the code though. :)

    2. Re:Coderbase: Convinced by StarWreck · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's a lot of history of sticking it Microsoft when you refer to Amiga. A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away... There was COMMODORE!

      To keep from starving to death, Bill Gates sold an unlimited liscense for BASIC to Commodore for a ham sandwich and a bag of doritos. Commodore then proceeded to put BASIC on 30 million computers, without having to pay Bill Gates a single dime.

      It was a better time back then.

      --
      ... and in the DRM, bind them.
  4. I guess it's better than being unemployed by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1, Funny

    $8,400 can buy a lot of beer.

    --
    I have been pwned because my /. password was too easy to guess.
    1. Re:I guess it's better than being unemployed by spazoid12 · · Score: 1

      I have two bucks that I'll donate towards the effort to port to the Timex Sinclair.

      Maybe we can pool together the loose change after buying those beers...

  5. GNAA IS GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY! by GNAA+Penisbird08 · · Score: -1, Flamebait

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  6. $4000! by neonstz · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's $400 per potentional user!

    1. Re:$4000! by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

      You are probably right. I don't think many use it as their plattform of choice. But, hmm why not port it. I would like to see a real x plattform browser...

    2. Re:$4000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      potentional? try potential.

    3. Re:$4000! by iiioxx · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Damn, I wish I hadn't blown my mod points already this morning.

      +5 Funny, dude. And another +5 Insightful to boot.

    4. Re:$4000! by rokzy · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      these guys are literally* wankers - intellectual masturbation at its worst.

      there are much worse activities in the world than this, but at least people who do evil things probably think they're doing something worthwhile. does anyone think that this is anything but a sick example of western excesses? if you're so keen to get rid of your money then give it to charity you pricks.

      every 10 seconds someone starves to death, every line of Amizilla code another parent buries their child.

      *by literally I mean metaphorically literally

    5. Re:$4000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      you forgot to add -1 Offtopic to your comment, MOD PARENT X comments are always offtopic ;)

    6. Re:$4000! by Babbster · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Wow, what a great point! I take it you typed that post on your 100-MHz Pentium? After all, you wouldn't want to waste money on more powerful processors that you don't REALLY need while children are starving. You probably also ride a bicycle (no cars, no buses, no planes), scrape mold off bread (don't waste food!), live in a one-room efficiency (who needs the unnecessary space of a studio?), get all your entertainment by watching people (i.e., no television, no stereo) and never buy a book (going to the library instead).

      Am I getting through? Probably not, but maybe I vaguely amused someone else.

    7. Re:$4000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      And there goes your karma, dude.. oh wait..

    8. Re:$4000! by rokzy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      yes being a student most of the above applies

    9. Re:$4000! by 56ker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you've underestimated the amount of Amiga users. The main reason (I'm sure) Mozilla hasn't been ported yet is that the Amiga already has three browsers of its own - Voyager, IBrowser & AWeb.

    10. Re:$4000! by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They were on about porting Mozilla to the Amiga back when Mozilla was created. The problem at the time was the Amiga APIs and GUI systems were all C based. C++ wasn't really in widespread use.

      I don't know what the current situation is, but I feel the replacement for the Amiga is Linux.

    11. Re:$4000! by alecf · · Score: 1

      oh, yes, the reason mozilla hasn't been ported is because there are other browsers.

      It couldn't possibly be because the amiga is a dead platform and the 42 users out there haven't figured out how to write software for a platform made in the last 10 years.

      Look, I hate flamewars as much as the next guy, but come ON! This is the amiga for cripes sake.

    12. Re:$4000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Education is quite a luxury. You could probably do the world more good by using a car and a modern computer, and ditching your education expenses and giving it to charity instead.

    13. Re:$4000! by root:DavidOgg · · Score: 1

      >
      I don't know what the current situation is, but I feel the replacement for the Amiga is Linux.

      *cough* AROS *cough*

      --
      --AROS is an Open Source AmigaOS clone, and source compatible with AmigaOS! Try the x86 build at http://www.aros.org
    14. Re:$4000! by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't suggest keeping $2000 in a PayPal account.

      First person to transfer a dollar to it from a stolen credit card, or from a non-english-speaking country, and that money is gone.

    15. Re:$4000! by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what software on the Amiga is really worth porting to a new OS?

      The only tool I would like would be Bars and Pipes Professional, but then there's no source code for that.

    16. Re:$4000! by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what software on the Amiga is really worth porting to a new OS?

      I'd like to see YAM (open source email client), and MUI (GUI toolkit - sadly closed source, but there is an open source clone, Zune).

      The only tool I would like would be Bars and Pipes Professional, but then there's no source code for that.

      I believe Microsoft released the source code when they brought out the company who developed it, and discontinued it. Check out here.

    17. Re:$4000! by 56ker · · Score: 1

      There are C++ compilers for the Amiga though - can't think of the name of one off the top of my head but a quick search of Aminet would prove me right.

    18. Re:$4000! by 56ker · · Score: 1

      The Amiga isn't a dead platform and it's users are far more computer literate on the whole than those of the other more popular platform.

    19. Re:$4000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      SAS C++

    20. Re:$4000! by Gumshoe · · Score: 1

      GCC?

    21. Re:$4000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what the current situation is, but I feel the replacement for the Amiga is Linux.

      Or Syllable.

    22. Re:$4000! by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Oh I know exactly the fate of Bars and Pipes. Another smash and grab by Microsoft. They didn't even use their technology in the end either, they bought DirectX and used that instead.

    23. Re:$4000! by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      The only one worth using is GNU C++. The others are buggy as shit and no longer maintained, so far as I can tell.

    24. Re:$4000! by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is that Mozilla would need at least 64 MB of RAM and a 200 MHz processor to be at all usable. That means it's going to require a PowerPC board, which limits the potential user-base further. (It may also complicate the programming due to the need for coordination between the PowerPC and 680x0 side of things and the various different PowerPC boards out there but maybe that has become easier in the past few years.)

    25. Re:$4000! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a problem. All new Amiga's (be it AROS, AmigaOne, Pegasos) have >200 mhz and >64meg standard

    26. Re:$4000! by Reez · · Score: 1

      ahah, funny that you mention Zune, I was its creator :) The geocities page is so old I dont remember how to modify it (if it's still possible at all).
      Zune on X11 is pretty dead (especially vs. Qt and GTK) but the project got a new life with AROS, which is ... an AmigaOS clone for x86/PPC/m68k/whatever. As a side effect of the AROS port, it is also working on the original AmigaOS, although MUI is still far ahead.

    27. Re:$4000! by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that porting Mozilla is a rather complex task, especially for a single person.

      a platform made in the last 10 years.

      Platforms made in the last 10 years include the Amiga, and various Amiga-clones. Now consider the amount of Amiga software released in the last 10 years, and the software on other platforms that was either ported from the Amiga, or written by ex-Amiga developers..

      Look, I hate flamewars as much as the next guy, but come ON! This is the amiga for cripes sake.

      I'm sure everyone says that. "I hate flamewars, but this is something I hate, so I'm going to flame anyway".

  7. A little bit of xmas cheer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    better !pout !cry
    better watchout
    lpr why
    santa claus town

    cat /etc/passwd > list
    ncheck list
    ncheck list
    cat list | grep naughty > nogiftlist
    cat list | grep nice > giftlist
    santa claus town

    who | grep sleeping
    who | grep awake
    who | grep bad || good
    for (goodness sake) {
    be good
    }

    1. Re:A little bit of xmas cheer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Haha. You are teh funny!! Also,
      OMG YOU ARE ON TEH SPOKE!!1111oneone1!!!

  8. Please give us Firebird first by cloudless.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would love to see the Mozilla team to work towards the 1.0 version of Firebird first. Please set the priority straight.

    1. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Dreadlord · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mozilla team has nothing to do with this, it's a contest of porting Mozilla to Amiga, the developer who does it wins the money, check out this.
      But I think I somehow agree with you, how cares really about porting Mozilla to Amiga while there are lots of useful Open Source projects that require more support?

      --
      The IT section color scheme sucks.
    2. Re:Please give us Firebird first by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The Mozilla team is anyone who wants to throw their help into the project. Lot's of people don't work on Firebird (the browser), but their contribution is still important. Think of people working on mail / news, editting, embedding etc.


      If someone wants to port to Amiga, then let them. For all anyone knows they might find some bugs in the layout engine, or widgets or add something useful to the configuration script etc. . It's even possible that while porting to what might politely be called a throwback platform they introduce benefits that other low performance platforms such as handhelds can use.


      In other words, the more platforms the merrier.

    3. Re:Please give us Firebird first by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Well, I think that current Amiga users care enough (and IMHO porting Gecko iself is more interesting, without all that XUL bloat - with native GUI, like in Galeon or K-meleon)

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    4. Re:Please give us Firebird first by goon+america · · Score: 1

      Put your money where your mouth is, and maybe they will.

    5. Re:Please give us Firebird first by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you have it all backwards. The people doing the coding, they get to deicide what is more or less worthwhile.

      Ijits on slashdot, who likely have never seen an Amiga (and despite the contest rules, UAE doesn't count), shouldn't go dissing what was once an awesome computer.

      I have 5 or so Amigas, and the only thing that makes my interest so slight is lack of an ethernet card for them. $100+ for 10baseT on ebay is absurd, even by my standards.

    6. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [who] cares really about porting Mozilla to Amiga while there are lots of useful Open Source projects that require more support?

      You sound like an adaptation of those anti-space-exploration trolls: why send crafts to Mars while there are people starving on Earth.

    7. Re:Please give us Firebird first by sznupi · · Score: 1

      I guess that you have Amigas without PCMCIA slot (eventually castrated from it), which you could use for cheap ethernet card, right?

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    8. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are absolutly off topic.
      this project isn't related with other moz projects, and this bounty isn't for moz dev team, but for anyone that port moz to amiga. period.

    9. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Tassach · · Score: 3, Informative
      Have you tried a parallel port Ethernet adapter? You should be able to find an old one (Xircom) on Ebay that will work with the Amiga.

      Another cheap and easy way to get IP connectivity to your Amiga is PLIP: run the plip daemon on a linux box, then run a null-modem parallel cable from the Linux box to your Amiga's parallel port.

      --
      Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
    10. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > shouldn't go dissing what was once an awesome computer.

      I think that's the point, it was an awesome computer, but the fact that people still try to wring usefullness out of it is a little silly and your comment about Ethernet supports that. Would you think it humorous if someone tried to implement Babbage's Analytical Engine in a production environment when calculators are so cheap and work better? Where do we draw the line?

      If you want to support legacy hardware, try it with something that isn't completely ancient like making X run better on old Pentium computers. At least they can run most modern operating systems.

      Amiga is dead - deal with it. I don't mind if people want to waste their time and money porting apps to worthless platforms (it's their right), but I don't think they deserve a medal for it.

    11. Re:Please give us Firebird first by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      how cares really about porting Mozilla to Amiga while there are lots of useful Open Source projects that require more support?

      And who are you to say what is more useful or requires more support? The wonderful thing about open source programming (IMO) is that developers have a lot more freedom to work on things that they think are interesting or useful, rather than what somebody else tells them.

    12. Re:Please give us Firebird first by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      If you want to support legacy hardware, try it with something that isn't completely ancient like making X run better on old Pentium computers. At least they can run most modern operating systems.

      If you RTFA, you'll see that MorphOS is listed as one of the platforms that must be supported. This is an OS that is still being developed, and runs under computers that are still being manufactured (the "Pegasos", currently a G3 based motherboard). It may not be the latest and greatest up to date thing, but it is certainly not "ancient", "legacy" or anything else.

      Amiga is dead - deal with it. I don't mind if people want to waste their time and money porting apps to worthless platforms (it's their right), but I don't think they deserve a medal for it.

      Why don't you stick to posting to the articles that you do care about then? ;)

    13. Re:Please give us Firebird first by MisterFancypants · · Score: 1

      I would love to see you work towards the 1.0 version of Firebird before posting to Slashdot again. Please set your priorities straight.

    14. Re:Please give us Firebird first by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      I remember some old amiga folk attempting to use a scsi to ethernet adapter, as classic amigas almost always had scsi adapters, but i'm unaware of anyone who actually implemented one.

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    15. Re:Please give us Firebird first by jdew · · Score: 1

      I own a scsi/ethernet device, it's a DayanaPort SCSI/Link-3 theres a 10bT/10b2/AUI ports on it, and i used it once on my classic II in os 7.something to copy everything on the classic at the time off. the sucker takes a 12V DC plug

    16. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because those people starving are not white people?

    17. Re:Please give us Firebird first by root:DavidOgg · · Score: 1

      Only the "toy" Amiga's had PCMCIA :)

      Real men use the A3000 (or the 4000 for the AGA fans)

      "Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment."

      Man, that's annoying.

      --
      --AROS is an Open Source AmigaOS clone, and source compatible with AmigaOS! Try the x86 build at http://www.aros.org
    18. Re:Please give us Firebird first by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Even a toy Amiga is better than no Amiga... but alas, no 600 or 1200 here. A 500, two 2000s, a 3000 and 4000.

    19. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since the Amiga has no memory protection, a memory management bug that might take days to mess up on Linux could crash the computer in seconds on an amiga (fortunately amigas usually reboot in seconds too, particularly if you're using the recoverable ramdrive). This could be a GOOD thing for getting the countless memory leaks in Mozilla tracked down, if the developers could reconcile NPTL to Amiga threads (the first hurdle).

    20. Re:Please give us Firebird first by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Computers can't exist outside of "production enviroments"? It's silly to write software that isn't strictly useful in your spartan sense of the word?

      You don't have to tell me that the Amiga is dead, I know. That you're an idiot is understandable, but don't take it out on me. No one is offering the Amizilla guys a medal, whether they deserve it or now, but even if they were, you don't have to complain about it. Be polite, and wait for the next slashdot story that interests you, which I suppose would be something along the lines of "SCO wins legal victory against Amiga Inc, for copyright infringement in the workbench code!".

    21. Re:Please give us Firebird first by amix · · Score: 1

      "But I think I somehow agree with you, how cares really about porting Mozilla to Amiga while there are lots of useful Open Source projects that require more support?"

      How can you say that ? What do you know ?

      Mozilla would be the first browser on AmigaOS to *fully* support CSS and Javascript. The only browser on AmigaOS with CSS support, as far as I know, is the latest IBrowse andI doubt it is a browser you would consider first choice for web-development.

      Amiga is a darn nice web-development platform. All is there: A bunch of the most easy to use and very powerful pixel-based graphics tools and bitmap painters. There is not a *single* paint program on Linux, that even comes close to the ones on AmigaOS. It has some of the best text-editors around, yes, even emacs and vim, you'd fall in laughter comparing CED or GED to any of the KDE or Gnome editors. They're a joke.

      AmigaOS is fully scriptable, using one, and only one language. This is a heaven of a developers environment. The full standard GNU dev-suite is available,
      Also an X11 implementation. There is a native Python implementation (not just a single port but all along with native Amiga 'site' stuff). Not the latest, however.
      There is Apache with mod-php, there is PHP stand-alone.

      I do all my web development on AmigaOS, however, I need to run a second machine just so I can use a good and modern browser...

      Oh, last but not least:

      Mozilla is more than a browser. It is an application framework. Having Moz on the Miggy would allow all Amiga users to run Mozilla applications and develop new ones.
      I wanted to do something like XUL around 1998 using MUI, but had no time, so I gave up. I would be pretty glad to see XUL on Amiga, maybe with full ARexx support.

      --
      Hello?? Fred?! Is this you?
    22. Re:Please give us Firebird first by amix · · Score: 1
      I have 5 or so Amigas, and the only thing that makes my interest so slight is lack of an ethernet card for them. $100+ for 10baseT on ebay is absurd, even by my standards.

      Hehe, believe me, once you have it you 'feel' you got something worth of $1000+, that you payed 'only' $100 for.

      I got a 10baseT (X-Surf) for EU90 and won't miss it anymore. It's just nice to run your Miggy next to the modern PC and change keyboard on your lap, quickly change the mouse in your palm and watch the two monitors.

      --
      Hello?? Fred?! Is this you?
    23. Re:Please give us Firebird first by amix · · Score: 1

      >If you want to support legacy hardware, try it with something that isn't completely >ancient like making X run better on old Pentium computers. At least they can run >most modern operating systems.

      That's exactly the point. There is no operating system, that is so much modern than AmigaOS. Yes, it lacks SMP, MP and real resource tracking, but it judjge after these lines for yourself:

      Running 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk/KDE on a VIA C3 "Nehemiah" 1GHz with 256MB od PC2100 RAM lets me wait more time than I wait in the A4000/MC68060/83MB pre-EDO-RAM/VGA-card. This is doing memory hungry graphics work, heavy multitasking and having several servers and browsers running. It is true. You average modern OS is slower on faster hardware than is OS3.9 on an Amiga from 1992 with a CPU and VGA from 1995. It is a fact. I got them all installed and running. Yes, I know, it is the swapping, that takes ages, but so what ? I get filled all in 83MB of RAM. The binaries and libraries are so much smaller on AmigaOS.

      And yes, it is right I reboot my Miggy 10 times a day, while I have an uptime now of 4 weeks on Linux, but I can live with that. (btw: I use AmigaOS on Amithlon now (except if I do webpage testing), which boots directly into AmigaOS on top of a Linux kernel on x86, so a lot less crashes anymore.)

      What email/news-reader do I find on Linux ? They are *all* crap when compared to UMS/PINT.

      What about text-editors ? Vim/Emacs, yes, they are nice, but learning emacs (my choice off Amiga) takes ages. On Amiga all I need to know is one single scripting language and soon I can script all major applications and many of the mid-range ones. Including my editor. Where do you find an IRC client such as AmIRC ? X-Chat is trying to copy it. But it does not succeed. It is all about integration. With AmIRC I can use the same low-level ARexx macros I use from my filemanager or editor to access my mail/news database, all I need is some higher-level application macros.
      And voila: I got a mail/newsreader in the filemanager (use mailfboxes as simulated filesystem, along with copy, moce, delete, extract, archive, using the same buttons as for filesystem-actions), I can research msg-ids from the editor when replying, finding quotes in older mails or just do a '/mail show new' or a '/mail new user@foobar.org' in my IRC client for a quickie. This enhances workflow by so much, that I'd be happy to do all of my everydays things on Amiga.

      Only the real browser is still missing and a powerful vector-drawing program with SVG export. Yes, XML is not supported well and LDAP is missing. Besides that, all is fine with Apache, MySQL and the whole GNU dev-suite. And you would not want to use a CPU like that for any modern audio/video processing, but who does this anyway ?

      As I am no gfx-artist I do not need Photoshop. ArtEffect or ImageFX does a very nice job. So does PerfectPaint or PersonalPaint, again, all these applications are scriptable by the very same language.

      So, for me Amiga still is the machine of choice. WindowsXPpro is nice, I use it a lot, Linux is nice, I use it a lot, but AmigaOS is my overall choice, it is simply more fun to work with it. Much more fun.

      Or what do you think, how does it come people still invest high amounts of money into a machine, that had no real maturing since 1992 ? Check that out ! People *still* spend much money on Amiga hardware. They pay $200 or so just so they are able to use PCI cards, add a Voodoo VGA, Soundblaster and USB1.1 for lots of money. Amiga *is* fantastic. It hardware 10 years ahead. The OS was 10 years ahead. And still is in some cases.

      If you compare Linux VFS to the way Amiga does it (just write a small device-driver and you got a new device, that *all* applications can access, they do not need extra support for it).

      Want any OS conform application to support the new XYZ image format ? The author of this application is dead ? No problem. Just write a so called datatype for it and there you go.

      Windows is a bloat

      --
      Hello?? Fred?! Is this you?
    24. Re:Please give us Firebird first by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Does Mozilla have countless memory leaks? To my knowledge it is remarkably stable.


      That's not to say it is perfect and leak free but most of the memory expansion people complain about is simply the memory buffers filling up, session histories growing etc.

    25. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, photogenics has been ported to linux. So there's ONE pixel paint program that comes close to amiga ones on linux :-)

    26. Re:Please give us Firebird first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      compared to the average windows program, it is remarkably stable. But over a period of days up to about a week on my linux box, I have to restart it or it slows to a crawl and slowly starts putting the wrong pictures in places. So in linux terms, it's unstable and buggy, though the average windows box would have rebooted for other reasons before you see it, most likely.

    27. Re:Please give us Firebird first by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Well, here best Amiga configs are usually based on 1200.

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      One that hath name thou can not otter
    28. Re:Please give us Firebird first by sznupi · · Score: 1

      There's also a way of adding PCI slots to 3000 or 4000 - unfortunetelly it's also ridiculously expensive. BUT it could end up cheaper if you would add not only ethernet card, but also pci graphics and sound card...

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
  9. Will you ever go the fuck away by the_real_rs · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    your comments are rude and unwanted so go the fuck away. Take you raciest ass and make your own damn site. Yes you have free speech but to only to the ones who are willing to listen. So do us all a favor and just die

    --
    Some software money can't buy. For everything else there's Micros~1
    1. Re:Will you ever go the fuck away by larry+bagina · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      maybe you don't realize it, but USAns have a fundamental right to associate with whom we would like to associate with. Conversely, we have a right to *not* socialize with those whome we don't wish to.

      For example, the gov't doesn't pick a bride for you and force you to marry. (although that may be the only way most slashdot readers have a fighting chance at getting laid). The Boyscouts are designed as an association of boys. Simile the Girlscouts.

      Surely you wouldn't tell the boyscouts that they must accept a 40 year old woman into their ranks? And surely you wouldn't make the girlscouts accept male members (no pun intended!). And while you might like to tell Heidi Klum to marry you, you probably don't want someone else telling you whom to marry.

      Yet you somehow find a society devoted to black homosexuality offensive.

      Since you accept the premise of freedom of association and congregation, you must be a racist, or a homophobe.

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    2. Re:Will you ever go the fuck away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No hes not a homophobe or a racist. Nigger is a racist word. so then you must be a racist. Have respect for people. its people like you that make the world a horrible place.

    3. Re:Will you ever go the fuck away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Nigger is NOT a racist word you ignorant fuck.

      If you go into any inner-city black neighborhood, the word Nigger is used as a term of enderement between fellow blacks quite ubiquitously.

    4. Re:Will you ever go the fuck away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Right, but if you're white I don't advice you to use that word in the inner-city black neighborhood as a term of whatever between fellow blacks and whites.

      It WILL be misunderstood.

    5. Re:Will you ever go the fuck away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      But what do you have against the GNAA using the word to attract fellow niggers?

    6. Re:Will you ever go the fuck away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      wow, you just said all blacks were incapable of understanding people..

      thats a pretty bigoted statement, my friend

    7. Re:Will you ever go the fuck away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      So basically, you agreed with the parent but suggested you'd get killed if you used that term in a black neighborhood. In other words, it is okay for blacks to call each other that but not whites? Don't you think that's a little racist of blacks?

      We already know black people hate whites, but it doesn't have to be in fashion.

  10. *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What $10,000 could have done to advance some more meaningful Open Source project. What's next-- OpenOffice for C64?

    1. Re:*sigh* by LearnToSpell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why the hell not? It's his money, not yours. If you think there's enough demand for OO.o on C64 (or whatever), and you want it that bad, put up some money and see what happens. Criticizing what other people think is important enough to spend money on is pretty lame.

    2. Re:*sigh* by ncosta · · Score: 1

      You should talk this to the former Netscape executive, which obviously don't understand anything about computers, as Amiga is clearly a dead computer...

      --
      pixie-writing from a paradise called Portugal
    3. Re:*sigh* by Bloody+Twit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now that I found some documentation for GEOS I'll get right on it. Might have to dust-off the ol' 512K RAM expansion cart, though...

      --
      [Insert pseudo-intellectual anti-Amerikan/pro-socialist sig here]
    4. Re:*sigh* by the_real_rs · · Score: 1

      Whats wrong with the c64 it was stable OS. I still use it now and then. The games were great, and it had a nice color thermal printer. the c64 is awsome so why not have a Open office and mozilla for it.(it would take 16 disks but hey).

      --
      Some software money can't buy. For everything else there's Micros~1
    5. Re:*sigh* by Stray7Xi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm glad you realize that you should donate to projects you find meaningful. (Apparently this guy already did)

    6. Re:*sigh* by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What $10,000 could have done to advance some more meaningful Open Source project. What's next-- OpenOffice for C64?

      First of all, it's Amiga not C64. I don't like Macs, but that doesn't mean I say "What next, an Apple II port?" when I see a Mac story.

      Secondly, I don't know about bounties in particular, but bear in mind that platforms such as Windows have had a phenomenal amount spent on them in terms of general software development, compared to niche platforms. We're talking billions. Macs probably get a fair amount too. Linux gets plenty of both commercial and open source development.

      Yet as soon as someone stumps up a few thousand to help fund a possible port of a browser (to a platform whose browsers lack all sorts of modern features), this is seemingly unfair?

      Rightly or wrongly, the market is driven by those with money to spend. Most of the time, that means that Windows wins, and platforms like the Amiga lose out. This is one of those rare times when things don't go that way.

    7. Re:*sigh* by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bah! Amiga is as dead as the Netscape browser!... errr.. oh wait...

    8. Re:*sigh* by Moubtaden · · Score: 1

      XFreeZ80

    9. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you immediately take such a negative attitude? And what the f--k have you contributed to any 'meaningful' open source project? I'd wager absolutely nothing.

      So basically you want $10,000 donated to a software project you take advantage of, so that you can take further advantage of it, for free? Great...

      You suck!

      This is just something he wants to see happen and is obviously a bit of fun but would make the Amiga a lot more useful. Nothin' wrong with that.

    10. Re:*sigh* by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "What $10,000 could have done to advance some more meaningful Open Source project."

      Is it not meaningful that the best browser in the world doesn't work on your computer?

      Sounds quite a reasonable request to me...

    11. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Whether you are attending a private sex party or a public club, there are some good manners that should be followed. Obviously these rules will vary for different parties, but here are a few good rules to follow so that you don't become an unwanted guest and never get invited back again.
      • Don't be a sling lizard - In other words, don't get into a sling unless you have a play partner. And if slings are limited, give other people a change to use the sling.
      • Lay down paper towels on the floor before playing to collect any spilled lubrication. You may also want to place a paper towel under the bottoms butt. Wipe off the play area and the bottom completely before leaving the play area. It is the tops responsibility to make sure the lube is wiped off the bottoms butt and that the floor and sling or table is wiped off and clean for the next person.
      • Ask your host what the house rules are This includes where you are allowed to play and what supplies you should bring (I always bring my own lube, beverage, paper towels and other party supplies to private parties). At THE SLING you can bring your own lube or we sell it there. Bring your own beer if desired, we provide sodas, paper towels, gloves, condoms and shower. For all parties it's polite to bring your own towel in case you want to shower
      • Don't just walk up to a play session and join in It's best to try to get some eye contact to see if they want you to join in. It can be very distracting to be in a scene and have somebody just join in especially if you don't want them there.
      • Keep unnecessary conversation and noises out of the play area Try not to have regular conversations where people playing can hear you. Also, if you are a screaming or make loud noises during play, this may disturb other guests. Some people enjoy the loud moans and groans but many find it disturbing.
      • If you move any equipment around return it to the original spot when done For example, if you raise or lower the sling, return it to where it was when you got there. Or if you move a table or chair, return it.
      • Do not share lube. This can lead to the transmission of HIV and other diseases. The cans can become contaminated while playing so it's good to write you name on the jar of crisco or lube.
      • Wash off hands and arms and dick when done playing Preferrably with an antibacterial soap.
      • Don't walk around the party in street clothes or be a gawkerAt most play parties the guys are usually in jocks or chaps so that their butts are exposed
      Proper Fisting Technique Photograph
    12. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be XFreePPC in the case of the Amiga, who talked about Amiga68k?
      The port is targeted at the AmigaOS 3.1 API, which is what MorphOS, AmigaOS4.0 (both are PPC operating systems) and AROS have in common.

  11. Are you stupid? by GNAA+Penisbird08 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    How is the GNAA racist?

    How is it racist for a bunch of gay negros getting together to revel in our gay niggerness?

    And for the record, I found out about the GNAA on slashdot, so there are people who are intersted in our group

    1. Re:Are you stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      >> And for the record, I found out about the GNAA on slashdot, so there are people who are intersted in our group

      Just becoz you have fount some anti-social elements like you in slashdot does not mean that this is a place for that or people come here to read this BS. Let me ask you one very honest question. What pleasure you get by polluting this place and earning everyone's curse upon you ? if you cannot participate in a healthy debate atleast let others have it. If you cant do anythin positive atleast you can refrain from doing harm to others right?

    2. Re:Are you stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      You only *think* Slashdot is a healthy place to debate (when you read at +1, of course). Too bad moderation points screw up the debate and turn every single discussion into a selection of lopsided slashbot opinions. Whether the editors are gaming the system for monetary reasons or its just the natural outcome of the current moderation system, Slashdot is no place to debate unless you like opposing arguments being moderated down into oblivion.

    3. Re:Are you stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Where the fuck did you learn to spell so shittily?

      We are not "polluting", we are providing a service to the oppressed Gay Niggers of the world.

      It seems to me that you have something against gay people and/or black people that brings out suppressed feelings that you are directing towards me.

      Racism and homophobia can be cured. Please get help.

  12. Different Idea by Matt2000 · · Score: 4, Funny


    I'll give $10,000 to all those who refuse to port anything to the Amiga, just to let those poor souls who still care move on with their lives.

    Please guys, this holiday season take some time out of your schedule and knock an Amiga user unconscious, then nurse them back to health. That won't accomplish much in the long term, I agree, but it will shut them up for a couple days.

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    1. Re:Different Idea by anaphora · · Score: 5, Funny

      I refuse. Where's my money?

    2. Re:Different Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So go for it, give this money and stop whining !

      I think you are better in making baits than paying bounties.

      we are waiting for you.

    3. Re:Different Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Seriously, although the money is attractive (especially to high-schoolers), I wouldn't really want my name to be associated with such a programming project. I'd have to leave it out of my resume, or else have some snappy explanation for why it was a good idea to spend a significant amount of time porting a large project to a long-dead platform.

      I almost think the people donating money are doing this to see what strange and possibly humiliating things they can get programmers to do for money. Sort of like those college students who allegedly amuse themselves by going to urban areas and offering $100 to homeless people to make them fight each other and perform dangerous stunts. It's just sick.

    4. Re:Different Idea by product+byproduct · · Score: 1

      His only hope to get out of this is if 2,000,001 slashdotters come forward to collect the prize.

      $10,000 / 2,000,001 = 0.49999975 cents each, which will get rounded to 0 for everyone.

    5. Re:Different Idea by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 1

      Yea, me too.

      I don't know shite about porting or coding or Amigas.

      I'm not willing to remain ignorant of these skills for free, however.

      And I feel $10,000 is a tad low. That's three skills you'll be paying me not to acquire, you know.

      --
      Blearf. Blearf, I say.
    6. Re:Different Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Recursive: adj. see Recursive

      That's not recursion, that's an infinite loop. You need a stopping condition, like "See Recursive until you get it."

    7. Re:Different Idea by arekq · · Score: 1

      My interpretation of his sentence is that he'll give everyone who refuses to port anything to Amiga $10,000. That is, 2,000,001 people amounts to $20,000,010,000. :)

    8. Re:Different Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, I refuse to port anything to the Amiga. Now give me my $10,000 so I can donate it to those who will ;-P

    9. Re:Different Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some humorless jerk of a moderator actually modded the parent down as "troll" ... somebody with mod points please correct this ...

  13. one question by b17bmbr · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    why?

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    My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
    1. Re:one question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      to get $4k ?

    2. Re:one question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      While your at it - ask the turkish kurds - but of course we dont care about them because the Turks are "good guys".

      Typical selective republican bullshit

  14. I'm looking for the new amiga... by adept256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    because every couple of years I read something like this:
    http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34922, 00.html
    the architecture of the original amiga was very innovative, more like a ps2 than a pc
    I still get a kick from looking at some raytraces I did back in the old amiga days

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    I ran a benchmark on my quantum computer, now I can't find it anywhere!
    1. Re:I'm looking for the new amiga... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, whoever has owned the Amiga rights in the years since Commodore (Escom, Gateway, and now Amiga) have failed to produce anything other than a couple of OS updates (better than nothing, certainly, but not a huge step forward). Some new hardware, the "AmigaOne" (from Eyetech), has been produced and on sale for about a year, but so far only runs Linux.

      But some of the "Amiga-like OS's" mentioned by the AmiZilla Guidelines can be considered "new", even if they aren't official Amigas. There's Amithlon (based on a modified Linux kernel and uses emulation to run AmigaOS on any standard PC - unfortunately development stopped due to disagreements between the developers and the publisher), and MorphOS (runs on the Pegasos).

    2. Re:I'm looking for the new amiga... by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

      Actually, new Amigas are available now, and they are also not far away from releasing AmigaOS 4.0.
      The previous version of the OS, v3.9, was released less than 2 years ago, so I'm not so sure about the "aging-platform" talk.

  15. otherworldy.nut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Regarding the "Recently" link in the story...
    Is that some kind of "parody of Amiga zealots of the 80s-90s" site? The people there seem to be somewhat TOO deluded to be for real.

    Oh yeah, and "AmiZilla" is dead. Money or no money, nothing's been done.

    Why is this crap on slashduh?

  16. always leaving out Atari... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why stop at just the Amiga? How about the Atari ST platform? After all, STick, Cab, and Mosaic all ran on it... and, the ST had support built in for ISDN way back in 1985 in the OS...

    --
    "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    1. Re:always leaving out Atari... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said "stop"? Who left anything out?
      Start the "AtariZilla" project.

    2. Re:always leaving out Atari... by ncosta · · Score: 1

      The question you should made is: Why it had stop on Amiga, after all it's dead isn't it... maybe it has some value after all..

      --
      pixie-writing from a paradise called Portugal
    3. Re:always leaving out Atari... by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am), but wouldn't a port from Amiga to ST be relatively easy? I know that for a while there they had a fair bit of software in common, but I confess that I don't know if it was due to similarities in architecture or similarities in capability.

    4. Re:always leaving out Atari... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am), but wouldn't a port from Amiga to ST be relatively easy? I know that for a while there they had a fair bit of software in common, but I confess that I don't know if it was due to similarities in architecture or similarities in capability."

      The two platforms didn't have much in common other than the fact that they both shared Motorola 680x0 microprocessors and the optional Motorola math co-processors (rare in both platforms standard). Both platforms tended to have more custom chipsets and co-processors than say the Mac or x86 platforms of their era. Graphics, sound, MMU, Blitters, (the Ataris even had their own keyboard processor) etc. If you move up to the Atari Falcon, you had the Motorola 68030 and the Motorla DSP processor, but the Falcon is a rare bird of the ST platform, probably rarer than the Amiga 3000.

      Then there's the fact that Atari's TOS operating system was essentially CP/M68K (GEMDOS) with a customized Digital Research GEM GUI sitting on top. Granted, early Linux was ported over to the ST/TT/Falcon platform so I guess there's that route...

      --
      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    5. Re:always leaving out Atari... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Amiga is dead and has no value.
      But we're not talking about Amigas, we're talking about AmigaOS and other operating systems like it.

    6. Re:always leaving out Atari... by vidarh · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Actually the Amiga had it's own keyboard CPU too. It was a 6502 compatible chip with on board PROM and RAM clocked at somewhere above 1MHz.

      I once had a really bastardized Amiga 2000, with a total of 6 general purpose CPU's in it (of which two were not in use): A 68000 on the motherboard, a 68020 acellerator card, a PC card with an 8086 (let you run DOS apps in a window on your Amiga desktop) upgraded with a 286 accelerator card, the 6502 compatible CPU on the keyboard and a Z80 controlled SCSI controller...

      Those were the days :-)

    7. Re:always leaving out Atari... by Webmonger · · Score: 1

      8086? Really? I remember those existed-- the 8088 was was a stripped down version, but it was the standard in PCs until the 80286 came out.

    8. Re:always leaving out Atari... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "I once had a really bastardized Amiga 2000, with a total of 6 general purpose CPU's in it (of which two were not in use): A 68000 on the motherboard, a 68020 acellerator card, a PC card with an 8086 (let you run DOS apps in a window on your Amiga desktop) upgraded with a 286 accelerator card, the 6502 compatible CPU on the keyboard and a Z80 controlled SCSI controller..."

      And I bet you had that "Imperial Walker" (AT-AT) demo with the walker marching down a city street; the demo taking up so much room it had to be stored on a removable 44Mb cartridge, right? That was the true calling card of the Amigas and the STs, European made graphics demos... :)

      --
      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    9. Re:always leaving out Atari... by vidarh · · Score: 1
      Given that the A2000 had a 16bit data bus it would have made very little sense to use a 8088 on the PC card. 8086 was used in quite a few PC models including a t least one IBM manufactured PC (the PS/2 Model 30 I think). I believe Compaq was the first to use an 8086 instead of 8088.

      Remember though that the main reason the 8088 was used by anyone at all was that there were plenty of cheap 8bit parts available but very few 16bit parts compatible with the 8086 at the time the IBM PC was introduced. The Amiga PC expansion cards arrived quite a few years later (the 286 came out in '82, the first Amiga's started coming out in '85 and I think the A2000 first arrived in '87) and 8086's were already used in low end PC's. Besides, the CPU on the PC expansion card needed very little support circuitry and it was more important to have a CPU that interfaced easily with the 16 bit data bus.

    10. Re:always leaving out Atari... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it would be extremely difficult. Amiga and Atari hardware had some similarities, particularly earlier a500 /520st-fm era hardware, enough that the os-bypassing metal-banging games of that era were not incredibly hard to port.

      But AmigaOS was VERY different to (and rather more powerful than) to Atari TOS. AmigaOS was like you'd imagine BeOS version 0.5beta being or something - While BeOS was marketed mainly at Mac users, the Amiga OS was its ancestor in spirit.

      TOS however, was, well, complete toss.

    11. Re:always leaving out Atari... by Trilobyte · · Score: 1

      There are some more modern GUI toolkits available on the Atari which possibly could be hooked into Mozilla's GUI system, but developer documentation is sparse, AFAIK. I've looked around for decent docs on GEM & NVDI programming, and have found maybe two or three documents on the web.

      MiNT seems to provide a decent UNIX-like environment on the Ataris, though last I checked most of the tools were sorrowfully out of date.

      Plus, most Atari computers to have a decent resolution must run in monochrome mode, which naturally severely limits the browsing experience. That's why Atari browsers such as CAB (and some newer one that I haven't tried) thrive, is that they are aware of the limitations on stock Atari computers, and compensate adequately.

      I have a hunch (as I frequent both Atari forums and Amiga forums) that there are a lot more graphics-card-equipped Amigas out there, and a lot more beefy Amigas out there, than there are Ataris. Though machines like the Hades '060 Atari with PCI graphics would be great for running Mozilla, there's gotta be -- what -- less than 4,000 of those machines in existence. And that's probably a GROSS overestimate.

      Yeah the Falcon would be great, but as you say those are rare too. The Falcon and the TT would be the only stock Atari machines capable of running Mozilla, and even these would be long-shots as the TT can only be upgraded to ~18MB RAM ... the Falcon I'm not sure about.

      The machines are also difficult to equip with ethernet (at least in the United States). Some VME-Bus "Riebl" ethernet card is available (used, and in Germany), but the native TOS TCP/IP stacks are apparently buggy with the hardware drivers. I could, on the other hand, eBay a $18 PCMCIA ethernet card for my Amiga 1200 or an Amiga 600 and be on the net in no time. Likewise, for a big-box Amiga I could just call up Software Hut and buy an Ethernet card for my Zorro bus, for in the neighborhood of $120. And it would come with drivers and software and all sorts of goodies.

    12. Re:always leaving out Atari... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Yeah the Falcon would be great, but as you say those are rare too. The Falcon and the TT would be the only stock Atari machines capable of running Mozilla, and even these would be long-shots as the TT can only be upgraded to ~18MB RAM ... the Falcon I'm not sure about."

      Thanks for all that info; you need to be modded up! I know for a fact that a Falcon can go up to 16 megs because I had mine upgraded to that...the limitation always were the MMU chips on the ST platform...the original ST's were limited to up to 4meg (I think the Amigas addressed 8 but I'm probably wrong)....

      In terms of processing for Mozilla on either the ST or the Amiga I wonder if the Motorola 68881 or 68882 coprocessors could come in handy....they shipped standard on the original NeXT cubes.... and Motorola did combine the 68882's with the later 68040 microprocessors since Intel had done so with their coprocessors by that time on their DX designated chips... and then there's that DSP to contend with... :)

      --
      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    13. Re:always leaving out Atari... by ncosta · · Score: 1

      It's obvious that I was talking about AmigaOS and not about Amiga, the hardware... but Amiga has new Hardware to run on which has great value, low heat, low noise...
      But the value in Amiga today is the OS.

      --
      pixie-writing from a paradise called Portugal
    14. Re:always leaving out Atari... by Trilobyte · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the 6888x chips would be good (and have proven to be good) for all the math-intensive floating point operations. From what I understand, this is mainly useful for formulaic math operations, such as JPEG decoding and uncompression and that sort of thing. Also probably for compiling really math-intensive code.

      However, that's where the Falcon's DSP chip would *really* shine. DSPs are famously well-suited for handling image streams (and of course also audio streams and other sorts of data streams). Since this is one of the most computationally intensive parts of browsing (from my experience), having these chips available on the two platforms can make a world of difference.

      I know on my Amiga that the speed difference between using a 6888x-compiled image decoder and a stock 680x0 image decoder is actually deceptive; IIRC the FPU (6888x) code actually runs *slower* because it's more accurate, though the *same* accuracy on a *non-6888x-equipped* Amiga would be like DOZENS of times slower.

      So for big image processing tasks like Photoshop-esque operations the FPU comes in handy. But for real decoding speed the DSP is where it's at. And no Amigas came stock with DSPs.

      You had a Falcon? You're pretty lucky :) I tried to get one once but only ended up getting a TT with the 19" monochrome monitor :)

      You're pretty much right on the memory addressing on the Amiga; the difference comes in on which model you're using and what sort of accelerator board you have (if you have one). Zorro-II bus in A2000 and A500 (sorta) and the Zorro-I bus (sidecar) in A1000 can only address 8 megs. Meaning if you plug a memory expansion board into a Zorro slot it can only have 8 megs max *and* when equipped that way, any ROMs on other expansion boards often won't have any spare memory to map themselves! So sometimes it's best to only go up to 6 or something.

      (Sorry if I'm getting into Too-Much-Information realm here, but...)

      Accelerator boards with 030/040/060 chips on them often have standard or non-standard SIMM slots which can be expanded up to 64MB or so; the limitation is usually just in how many SIMM slots there are and the max SIMM size allowed on that accelerator board. Lots of people have 128mb/256mb in their Amigas. It's just so hard to come by 128mb 72-pin EDO FPM SIMMs these days :) (Memory on Accelerator boards in these systems is a lot faster than memory on the Zorro bus because it's local to the expansion processor).

      Zorro-III bus in the A3000 and A4000 can map a heck of a lot more RAM on the bus. Probably because these machines had '030s in them by default, or '040s. Which can map a lot more RAM than a stock 68000 or 68010.

      You're right too about the older STs; I have a 1040STe which has 4 30-pin SIMM slots on it and can be expanded to 4mb. By default it had 4 256k SIMMs. (I think I read a report on the net somewhere that somebody installed 2mb SIMMs in an STe). The bigger machines like Mega STe I'm not sure about; they probably had 8 30-pin SIMM slots for up to 8mb or 16mb.

      Okay, sorry. Haven't had my coffee this morning, I'm waxing nostalgic... :) have a good one

    15. Re:always leaving out Atari... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "You had a Falcon? You're pretty lucky :) I tried to get one once but only ended up getting a TT with the 19" monochrome monitor :) You're pretty much right on the memory addressing on the Amiga; the difference comes in on which model you're using and what sort of accelerator board you have (if you have one). Zorro-II bus in A2000 and A500 (sorta) and the Zorro-I bus (sidecar) in A1000 can only address 8 megs. Meaning if you plug a memory expansion board into a Zorro slot it can only have 8 megs max *and* when equipped that way, any ROMs on other expansion boards often won't have any spare memory to map themselves! So sometimes it's best to only go up to 6 or something."

      You are a wealth of information, Sir! :)

      Since you have a TT, do you have the Unix Sys V. release for it? That might be another angle of pursuit. Getting a stripped down version of Mozilla to run on the TT via Unix. I don't think they gave their blessing to Unix on a Falcon, and the Falcon would be at a stock disadvantage since it had a 16Mhz 68030 whereas most TT's had 33Mhz.

      I think the DSP on the Falcon would do well if some enterprising individual were to port over an Amiga-based MP3 player and had it access the DSP in lieu of the 68030. Of course, the same could be said for the SETI@home client (although I think the lowest Mac version was set up for the 040).

      Now I'm going to have to check on some ST stuff online now. There's a really cool site at (http://www.atari.st). The page is formatted like the GEM desktop.

      In the meantime, cheers! :0

      --
      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
  17. In other news... by JamesP · · Score: 5, Funny

    Porting of MySQL to C64 begins, and an undisclosed donor has donated $5000 to the fist person to run Apache from a Tamagotchi

    --
    how long until /. fixes commenting on Chrome?
    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that modern implmentations of the Amiga run on regular PC hardware I assume.

  18. Amiga is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    3. The AmiZilla Project must fully compile with running binaries on each of the following Amiga-like OS's: OS3.1, OS3.5+, MorphOS, UAE, Amithlon, DraCo. (Hint: don't hit the hardware, and stick to OS3.1: MUI, ClassAct 2, some internal gadget system, and bgui are acceptable).

    I was the proud owner of a 500, 2000, and 4000(which I sold at a profit many years back). The Amiga was the hardware. It had a great API but the hardware(angus, denise, etc.) was what it was all about. If you aren't hitting the hardware, it's Amiga in name only.

    1. Re:Amiga is dead by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I was the proud owner of a 500, 2000, and 4000(which I sold at a profit many years back). The Amiga was the hardware. It had a great API but the hardware(angus, denise, etc.) was what it was all about. If you aren't hitting the hardware, it's Amiga in name only.

      But any result from this project should still run on machines like the A4000, without a graphics card.

      If you're really insistent on advocating bad programming practices so that the application will only run on a smaller, lower-powered set of the machines, then feel free to set up your own fund for someone to port it to an A500.

  19. $15 to the first to port it to TI-85 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    $5 to the first to port it to an abacus.

  20. Would be nice by the_real_rs · · Score: 1

    I remember I had Quantum link boy was that slow for the Amiga. with a nice web browser its nice to see a old os still kicking on.

    --
    Some software money can't buy. For everything else there's Micros~1
    1. Re:Would be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  21. Rube. This is America,... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  22. Amiga zealots. by saintlupus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Booty is now over $8400 and goes to the first developer(s) to port Mozilla to the Amiga platform.

    I'm a BSD and Macintosh fan. And even I think the Amiga is dead.

    It's not beleaguered. It's not "dying". It's dead. It's been ten years. For crissake, give up already. They were great back in the day, but so was Lionel Ritchie and skinny ties.

    --saint

    1. Re:Amiga zealots. by Seehund · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, the Amiga is dead and buried. The story is a bit misleading.

      "Port Mozilla to AmigaOS and similar/compatible OSes" would probably have been more accurate.

      AmigaOS might get a chance to live on in version 4, on off the shelf 3rd party hardware, if the company that whimsically calls itself "Amiga Inc." would only give it a chance instead of actively doing all they can to kill it in its cradle. Then there's things like the API compatible MorphOS and the open source AROS.

      And no, Lionel Ritchie and skinny ties have never been great.

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    2. Re:Amiga zealots. by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 1, Troll

      AMIGA AINT DEAD!!!

      It just smells funny...

      *hugs his A500*

    3. Re:Amiga zealots. by segmond · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate your attitude, since when does population in terms of software use mean that a platform or a software is dead? Imagine this, is QBASIC dead? Sure, for developers right? But if some company out there is using it, which there are still many using it, and their business depends on it, and it does what it is suppose to do, why should they upgrade? Because people are saying it is dead? Let me ask you a question. Do you know how many QBasic apps are behind some business logic/functions out there? If I say more than 50,000. Will you be surprised? Do you know how many Amiga fans/users are out there? If there are 20,000 of them. That is still a very big user base. So long as they are happy with their OS and can do all that they desire, it is not dead. Whoopie, I use a P90mhz, 40mb, 2gig laptop. All my friends laugh at it and say it is ancient. I just smile, because it meets all my needs! So it's not ancient to me.

      --
      ------ Curiosity killed the cat. {satisfaction brought it back | it didn't die ignorant | lack of it is killing mankind
    4. Re:Amiga zealots. by saintlupus · · Score: 1

      Imagine this, is QBASIC dead? Sure, for developers right? But if some company out there is using it, which there are still many using it, and their business depends on it, and it does what it is suppose to do, why should they upgrade?

      I don't see anyone trying to port Mozilla to an ancient DOS only system that's running QBASIC, though.

      use a P90mhz, 40mb, 2gig laptop.

      And I have a P75 sitting on my network, handling most of my serving for local machines. Doesn't mean I'm going to run Moz on that, either.

      Bribing people to port new, resource hungry software to a decade-old platform is an exercise in frustration. Now, someone else in this thread said that the AmiZilla port is more aimed at the "new and exciting" AmigaOS that everyone's been promising for the last five years. Hey, that would be great. My impression was that some poor bastard was taking on the task of porting Moz to his A500, and that just struck me as futile and impractical.

      --saint

    5. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And exactly how many businesses "depend" on Amigas? It's not even remotely as popular as QBASIC.

      The remaining base of Amiga users are primarily home users that stick with Amiga out of delusion or nostalgia. They have other, better options. They just choose not to use them.

    6. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After looking at the screenshots from AROS I can now understand why they are porting it. They did a good job with the GUI :)

    7. Re:Amiga zealots. by downix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Correct, to his A500 it would be.

      But check the specs again, it's not planned nor even attempted for the A500. It's for the latest models, the most expandible, and even non-Amiga hardware that can run Amiga API's. We're talking it is for Athlons, PowerPC, even 68040/060 machines. A1200's alongside Dells and Pegasos.

      AROS runs on PC's, and MorphOS runs on the PowerPC based Pegasos.

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    8. Re:Amiga zealots. by frankbro · · Score: 2, Informative
      Bribing people to port new, resource hungry software to a decade-old platform is an exercise in frustration. Now, someone else in this thread said that the AmiZilla port is more aimed at the "new and exciting" AmigaOS that everyone's been promising for the last five years. Hey, that would be great. My impression was that some poor bastard was taking on the task of porting Moz to his A500, and that just struck me as futile and impractical.

      The port of Mozilla to AmigaOS is not for people with a stock A500 and AmigaOS 1.3. It is for those with much more powerful Amigas and at least AmigaOS 3.x. The preferred OS will be AmigaOS 4.0 at it is soon to be released, running on new PowerPC hardware. It will also work with MorphOS, which is in its 1.4 release, and runs on the Pegasos PowerPC platform. MorphOS shares the same API's as AmigaOS 3.1.

    9. Re:Amiga zealots. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Its not just the smell, the Click of death noise from the floppy drives was mental.

      Click......

      Click......

      Click......

      Click......

      IBM recently brought this back in fashion with their Deathstar range.

      --
      liqbase :: faster than paper
    10. Re:Amiga zealots. by nahual · · Score: 1

      If i remember correctly, the only problem is the diferent way that mozilla codes its theads, versus the way amiga uses multitask.

      But really.. i never have cared much for Amizilla, since there are already some good web browsers for amiga. And i don,t undestand why a web browser has to be bigger than 1 MB... :)

      I Still uses my old amigas, an even earn money with them...

      I know that the hardware will eventually break, but it still have some years left of use...

    11. Re:Amiga zealots. by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I'm a BSD and Macintosh fan. And even I think the Amiga is dead.

      I'm not sure why being a BSD and Macintosh fan adds weight to your assertion.. Anyhow, Amiga is dead in the same sense that MacOS dead - and it *is* dead, in that the classic OS was discontinued, and replaced by a completely different OS, that had some similarities and compatibility. The difference is that to date, any new Amiga-like OSs (MorphOS) are produced by people who don't own rights to the Amiga name.

      However, as much as I think this, I don't go posting to Mac stories saying "I'm an Amiga fan, and I even I think that Mac is dead". That's the sort of behaviour I'd expect from your supposed zealots :/

      Of course, this bounty requires porting to both the original Amigas, and MorphOS, but this probably isn't that harder to do due to API compatibility, and would increase the potential userbase.

      It's dead. It's been ten years.

      What's been 10 years? 10 years ago since you last paid any attention to Amiga history, perhaps? Pegasos/MorphOS, Amithlon and AmigaOS 3.9 are all examples of things released within the last couple of years or so.

    12. Re:Amiga zealots. by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

      Yesterday i figured out that you can run Qbasic with dosbox on Linux. Haven't tried gorilla.bas yet :-)

    13. Re:Amiga zealots. by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      You knew they were alive when they clicked.

      If you didn't want to run an anti-click program, your choice.

      --

      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
    14. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate your attitude, since when does lack of metabolic processes mean that a person is dead?

      It's bleeding demised, mmkay? UAE on 4 year old hardware runs faster than an Amiga 7000.

    15. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and you also drive a Pinto, unfixed!

    16. Re:Amiga zealots. by t0qer · · Score: 1

      I know a lot of companies use Qbasic for stepper motor control.

      here

      I remember this one customer who had a PC based stepper motor controller running on a 8088 epson. (They used the machine for routing out a patterns in wood cabinets) Their sysadmin thought it would be a great idea to upgrade it to a 486, after which everthing broke. (well it still worked, but the timing for moving planks on/off the routing table, and cutting the actual design was totally screwed up)

      After looking at the Qbasic code, I saw the original programmer did all their timing with for/next loops. AH HA! I said to myself. The faster machine made the loops run faster, thereby screwing up the timing. I just did a best guess and increased the delay in the loop, everything was happy after that.

    17. Re:Amiga zealots. by Webmonger · · Score: 1

      For the QBasic case, the argument would be made on the basis of possible future problems.

      Do they have the source? (QuickBasic could build stand-alone apps)

      Can they find someone who can fix a sophisticated QBasic app if they find a bug?

      Do they want to add new features?

      Are there modern apps with the features they want?

      Do they want to integrate it with more modern software?

      Yes, QBasic is dead. And people who continue to use it may be running silly risks

    18. Re:Amiga zealots. by root:DavidOgg · · Score: 1

      *COUGH* AROS *COUGH*

      --
      --AROS is an Open Source AmigaOS clone, and source compatible with AmigaOS! Try the x86 build at http://www.aros.org
    19. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hindsight 20-20 isn't it. Millions of people that bought both items would disagree - not everyone was as cool and had as much style sense as you in the 80s.

    20. Re:Amiga zealots. by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      much more powerful Amigas

      Heh. :)

    21. Re:Amiga zealots. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      It wasnt such Anti-click, it simply made it less clicky.

      You are right though, the click was almost soothing at times, like a heart beat.

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    22. Re:Amiga zealots. by root:DavidOgg · · Score: 1

      They did a better job with the source compatibility. :)

      Amiga applications need only be recompiled with the included native GCC to have a native Amiga app on x86

      --
      --AROS is an Open Source AmigaOS clone, and source compatible with AmigaOS! Try the x86 build at http://www.aros.org
    23. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, to many amiga users, the AmigaOS is what matters, not the hardware. Since AROS i386/native runs just fine on my shiny new Athlon XP, open-source amiga software (and there is a fair bit on the remnants of the aminet of yore...) can just be recompiled on a "much more powerful amiga" consisting of the latest PC hardware.

      Linux is nice, and I predict equivalents of the "best bits" of AmigaOS will start showing up in it soon.

    24. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could buy completely click-less drives, the "click" was a hack to allow cruddy PC disk drives to be used (CBM were cheapskates) - it was polling for disk presence, devices like amiga-specific floppy drives, CROM drives and so on didn't have to click, since most such hardware actually tells the computer "someone put a disk in".

    25. Re:Amiga zealots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NASA still uses Amiga's. Google for it yourself

  23. I'll offer $5.00.. by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you port it to the Commodore 64.

    Seriously though, I love Amigas (had three of 'em up until a year ago) but the old machines are dying off partly because the batteries are cracking open and ruining the motherboards.

    1. Re:I'll offer $5.00.. by postworek · · Score: 1

      "but the old machines are dying off partly because the batteries are cracking open and ruining the motherboards." Amiga never had battery on board. This may be a reason why it hasn't been dead yet.

    2. Re:I'll offer $5.00.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the big box Amigas had batteries on the motherboard you ignorant fuckwit.
      If you know nothing about a subject why on earth do you post a comment on it?

    3. Re:I'll offer $5.00.. by postworek · · Score: 1

      A500, 500+, A600, even A1200 hasn't had batteries. Maybe "big box" Amigas has, but who had this kind of stuff? A500 and A1200 were the most popular models.

    4. Re:I'll offer $5.00.. by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      Most noteworthy Amigas had a battery-backed clock on them.

      The batteries of which apparently worked fine until they've spent some amount of time discharging.

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    5. Re:I'll offer $5.00.. by gid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, funny how some older shareware worked got crippled after 30 days, but magically on my A600 that was always at the same date, it never expired. :) Maybe they figured if you can only afford an A500, A600, or A1200 then you probably couldn't afford the software either. :)

    6. Re:I'll offer $5.00.. by nahual · · Score: 1

      Amiga 2000 and 4000 had bateries on the motherboard, for the clock, unfortunatelly they ONLY were garantted for 10 years.

      I had three A2000... and their batteries are still good.. But i think is about time to replace then ... :)

      Amiga2 500, 600 had batteries in their 500 KB memory expansion and A1200 ussualy had a battery on the acelerator card, altough there was an option for a internall clock...

      This batteries are a bit more recent..

    7. Re:I'll offer $5.00.. by POds · · Score: 1

      Well thats a good reason to purchase an AmigaOne at a dealer closest to you, beofore AmigaOS4 is released and get the OS for free.

      Or you could purchase the Pegasos and get MorphOS (an Amiga like operating system) for free.

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  24. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the point?

  25. only 4k? by n0k14 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me or is $4000 not very much money

    1. Re:only 4k? by Little+Brother · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it isn't much money to you, would you PLEASE send me just HALF of it? Please? No? Why not?

      --

      Little Brother, watching the watchers

    2. Re:only 4k? by eln · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Depends on what you think your time is worth I guess. For most programmers, $4000 for something that would probably take a few months at least of full time programming is an insult. For college students who could take a year doing it in their spare time, $4000 buys a whole lot of beer.

      If anyone does this though, I suspect it'll be a hard-core Amiga zealot whose primary motivation is not the money.

    3. Re:only 4k? by frankbro · · Score: 1

      Actually it is now over $8400.

      Looks like you just replied without reading the new item.

    4. Re:only 4k? by damiam · · Score: 1

      I will if you spend enormous amounts of your time porting Mozilla. $4000 is plenty of money, but for most people it's not worth the time investment.

      --
      It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
    5. Re:only 4k? by vidarh · · Score: 1

      If you're doing it only for the money, then probably not. But if you'd like to spend time porting Mozilla anyway it's certainly a good added incentive to spend a few extra hours on it here and there.

    6. Re:only 4k? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      It could provide the impetus to a developer who was considering porting it anyway.

      --

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    7. Re:only 4k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Depends on what you think your time is worth I guess. For most programmers, $4000 for something that would probably take a few months at least of full time programming is an insult. For college students who could take a year doing it in their spare time, $4000 buys a whole lot of beer.

      While I would not want to do this, you have to admit it has a certian geek apeal.

    8. Re:only 4k? by Little+Brother · · Score: 1

      Please Define "Enormous amounts"

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      Little Brother, watching the watchers

    9. Re:only 4k? by damiam · · Score: 1

      That depends on the person, their talents, and their employment situation. Some people could probably do it in a few weeks of really hard work (i.e. full time). For others, it could take up all of their spare time for a year.

      --
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    10. Re:only 4k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like you're an asshole, your point?

  26. http://www.aros.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much negative feedbacks! i wonder what you wankers would have thought a few years back when people said "linux? who needs that crap almost nobody use haha get a copy of windows" its so nice to piss down on somone else and forget where your OS of choice were just few years back! i bet AROS (www.aros.org) would be a waste of time since its not linux eh? or skyos? or any other OS thats not nix.

    1. Re:http://www.aros.org by saintlupus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      its so nice to piss down on somone else and forget where your OS of choice were just few years back!

      I got started on Commodore gear -- my parents bought a C64 when I was really young, and that what I cut my programmng teeth on.

      I read Commodore Magazine for years, typing in the programs in the back and trying to figure out what they do.

      I called my first BBSes at 1200 baud on that C64. And I was really jealous of everyone who had an Amiga or an Atari ST.

      Hell, I was even excited when Gateway bought up all the rights to the Amiga name. This was, of course, back when a Gateway was still a premium machine. "At last! The Amiga is coming back! I can finally get one!"

      But it's over. The Amiga has been gone for so long that there's nothing but a string of hucksters trying to trade on the name. The platform is dead. It's a shame -- I always wanted one -- but it's over.

      The diversity in computing is gone. I work for a college, and there are kids in the CS department who don't believe me when I say that there used to be so many different platforms. It's sad, but it's true, and noble efforts like this AmiZilla bribery don't change it.

      --saint

    2. Re:http://www.aros.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The diversity in computing is gone. I work for a college, and there are kids in the CS department who don't believe me when I say that there used to be so many different platforms. It's sad, but it's true, and noble efforts like this AmiZilla bribery don't change it.

      It's worse when the professors don't believe you.

      (Dropped CS II after Advanced Placement when the prof. mocked me for unfamiliarity with Visual Studio. The Borland IDE I'd learned on wasn't 'real' enough, apparently.)

      ((And yes, this was based on my need to use the tooltips to decipher the icons during the lab.))

    3. Re:http://www.aros.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took a look at AROS site -- maybe it's got something interesting under the hood, but why in the hell would someone write a new version of the fugly-ass 80s Amiga desktop?

      I think most slashdotters are generally supportive of alternative OSes. It's this "Lets Time Travel back to 1989 when Amiga was teh best" attitude which sucks.

    4. Re:http://www.aros.org by zulux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The diversity in computing is gone

      I know how you feel - but the fun in computing is coming BACK!!!!!

      Five years ago, you had a choice: Windows98, WindowsNT or some wacky hard-to find os called Linux that you probably diden't know existed. Oh, and Mac's were ok if you were one of those "Artisits"

      Now you can by $1000 Sun/Solaris Boxes

      Macs are kick ass computers.

      There Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD - the're all cool.

      Hell, even XP isen't soooo bad for light use.

      Thinkgs are gitting fun again!!

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  27. Bill Gates may be the devil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...in the eyes of OS zealots but at least he donates to AIDS charity and not "Internet Explorer on teh Commodore 64!!!!1111"

    1. Re:Bill Gates may be the devil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't the GNAA already find a cure for AIDS? Something about guys not letting other guys fuck them in the ass?

  28. WTF??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just had a look at the site.. DAMN, they need a W3C compilant browser quick!!!

    And what is it with these japanese chicks? http://www.discreetfx.com/SpontCombustion.htm??
    S ome kind of FireprOn phantasy? I don't get it...

    1. Re:WTF??? by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 1

      It seems the site hosting the promo is from a SpecialFX software (for Amiga, I assume). I recognize at least one of the chicks as a(n ex-) Japanese porn star, Akira Fubuki (google), the 6th from the bottom.

      --
      Where is that guy who'd die defending what I had to say when I need him?
    2. Re:WTF??? by Roydd+McWilson · · Score: 0

      That is truly bizarre.

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  29. One small quibble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lionel Ritchie and skinny ties were never great.

  30. SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    If a white peson call a Black person a nigger its racist. And if your noticed this is not a black neighborhood and some people think thats a racist word so give respect to people who take it to hart you ass.

    1. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      But the GNAA is obviously a group of niggers, so we have a right to call each other as such, you racist prick!

      You bigots really get to me. Its people like you who want to cleanse America of Black/Nigger culture and replace it with Whites Only culture.

      Racist.

    2. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      So you want to tell the Black Community of America how they can behave towards each other when they are not in their neighborhood?

      If thats not racism, I dont know what is!

    3. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Your fucking racist. If you have manners wich i know you do not now. they should ban you from humnity

    4. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      So I'm racist for calling my fellow brethern niggers, even though they are black?

      Please explain the logic behind this one, Einstien.

    5. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      The damn article is not real. Its for anti/. and its not ment for its "purpose". thats putting down people. and if you can't read it not a real post you ass. and if you support it then you are racist. stupid fuck. its people like you that need to be executed.

    6. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is our post not real? We are a serious Gay and Nigger rights organization.

      The KKK called any pro-black group a "racist" group just as you are calling the GNAA a racist group. Coincidence?

      Its people like you who go around burning black chruches and gun down Gay people just because you see them as a threat to your White existence.

      Grow up, you racist.

    7. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were is your fucking web site then? i thought so

    8. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you were a real org then you realize that gnaa stands for The Global Network of Arab Activists so if you were real then you would have looked that up and changed you name.

    9. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't need a website. We have an IRC channel

    10. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the GNAA existed long before the Arabs decided to use that acronym

      however, since its not trademarked, we do not take issue with the Arab's use of the GNAA acronym

    11. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, no they have long existed before your stupid fucking retarded ass-holes names gnaa I looked gnaa up and they have been going strong for 15 years. I looked up your acronym its only existed for half a year. so go fuck a a dead camel. your wrong and it is racist. fucker

    12. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect, idiot.

      The GNAA has been around since the 70's. We have only taken on the internet for about a year.

      Please explain to me again how black people helping black people is racist. You've never quite been able to explain that.

    13. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      obviously you arent gonna get a striaght answer out of him.. he probably is one of those KKK people that attack civil rights organizations and any other type of blacks helping blacks organization.

      sad really, but its the price you pay for living in a free country

    14. Re:SO.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And if you were a real org then you realize that gnaa stands for The Global Network of Arab Activists so if you were real then you would have looked that up and changed you name.

      Sand niggers are still niggers too, you know. They can be gay too, just not in the presence of Allah (unless they have balls of steel like Hussein).

  31. money & traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They now need the money to pay their traffic-bill.
    Good job, /.ers.

  32. You don't tell opensource programmers what to do.. by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...with their time. It is that simple.

    If the donator want's to sponsor porting mozilla over to the original NES, then, that's his right. If someone wants to code it, then that is their right as well.

    No one's stoping you from sponsoring the main firebird's development.

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  33. 10 secons by eadint · · Score: 1

    10 seconds with blender and you can accomplish the same thing i dont really think that its web site worthy.

  34. Oblicatory Monty python refrence by eadint · · Score: 1

    "I'm not dead yet"

  35. so who wants to make the phone call by rifftide · · Score: 1

    "Mr. Clark, that investment was great, we now have a working prototype. Now if you'll agree to kick in another $400 million, I believe we'll really take the industry by storm..."

  36. Negative Incentive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think monetary incetive is not in the mood of the "real" L-zealot/free coder.

    This move is Flamebatish (?)

    This opens the gates to "unfair" battle
    unfair couse the economic market is dominated by...

    Also, if i want money, i better work for the devil

  37. Reason for Mozilla? by mnmn · · Score: 1, Troll

    I've never gotten the very rationale for all the work being done on Mozilla. I can understand a good standards-compliant and full-featured browser, but on one hand, Opera does a great job if you dont care about opensource like 99% of the users, and the rest simply use the IE that come with their OSes. Mozilla as many people have admitted is over-featured, but Firebird is not seeing much action in development either.

    So I think Mozilla is a bit of a developer challenge to see how many ports it can run on... but quite honestly, even most opensource users dont really use mozilla. Konquerer, and even the older netscape communicator do a reasonable job for most webpages without needing a fat CPU. I tried hard to run Mozilla on my Sun Ultra 5 with 128mb RAM and Solaris 9, but had to settle on opera for performance reasons.

    So can someone who has been using Mozilla for along time explain the reason for all this work on Mozilla? Is it for some practical or business purpose like Samba, Apache, X, gaim, or is it attracting developers for other reasons?

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    1. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Yosho · · Score: 1

      The fact is, most people are cheapskates, although they won't admit it. You're right in that 99% of people don't really care if something is free as in speech; they do care if it's free as in beer, though. Opera is an excellent browser, but the fact that they want you to pay for it means that most people won't buy it if there's a free alternative.

      With that said, Mozilla is a good browser, provided that you have the horsepower to spare for it. I wouldn't dare use it on an older Pentium, but on an Athlon XP 2200 with 512 MB of RAM, the performance difference between it and Opera is negligible. I use both of them interchangeably, in fact, as each has features I like that the other lacks.

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    2. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Pengo · · Score: 1


      I have both Mozilla and firebird on my desktop, usually I am browsing in mozilla. Seems that mozilla is a bit more polished at the moment than FB, but I am looking forward to a 1.0 firebird release.

      I have a 3.06 ghz p4 tho with a gig of ram.. FB doesn't seem faster than mozilla to me, so I am only interested in stability/features.

      I have used opera for a while, but was surprised to find that mozilla not only renders pages better usually, but also crashes less frequently.

      I am not trying to flame FB or Opera, I just find that moz does the job better than either.

    3. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Opera does a great job if you dont care about opensource like 99% of the users, and the rest simply use the IE that come with their OSes.

      I'm somehow doubting how well a project to port a closed source browser would go.

      Mozilla as many people have admitted is over-featured, but Firebird is not seeing much action in development either.

      In the GUI perhaps, but remember that any improvements in Mozilla's html rendering are automatically a part of firebird.

      but quite honestly, even most opensource users dont really use mozilla.

      Unless you have some solid statistics to back that up, I think you're just reading your own prefrence into everyone else. Ask if anyone even knows what konqueror is on a non computer related message board, and then ask if anyone knows what mozilla is.

      So can someone who has been using Mozilla for along time explain the reason for all this work on Mozilla?

      I think it's not so much Mozilla that's the attraction, but gecko. And if you're going to the trouble of getting that, why not just port the whole thing? And really, what else is there to work on porting. The only other reasonablly advanced open source rendering engine is khtml, and that's fairly bound up in unix. It's been ported to other platforms in the past, and apple of course proved it's viable, but I don't think it has the same focus on maintaining cross platform compatibility that mozilla has.

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    4. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opera software offers a free downloadable version for all platforms that has banner ads in the top-right hand corner.

    5. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I've never gotten the very rationale for all the work being done on Mozilla."

      Mozilla use on all platforms is growing. However Konqueror is stuck on invisible. I say that based on what I see in my httpd/access_log. Don't understand it all you want, but them's the facts.

    6. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most Konqueror users have to set it to pretend to be some other browser in order to get into sites that don't believe there are any other browsers than IE or Netscape {which both identify as "Mozilla"}.

    7. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With that said, Mozilla is a good browser, provided that you have the horsepower to spare for it. I wouldn't dare use it on an older Pentium, but on an Athlon XP 2200 with 512 MB of RAM, the performance difference between it and Opera is negligible.

      I've got Mozilla 1.5 installed on a P166MMX, 64MB memory, Windows 98. It takes a while to start (20-30 seconds?) but once it's going it's great.

      I need to see how OpenOffice.org runs on that machine - Office 97 is definitely showing its age...

    8. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking troll moron. Both Mozilla and Firebird are under extremely active development. So you can take your lies and shove them up your overutilized asshole.

    9. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

      "So can someone who has been using Mozilla for along time explain the reason for all this work on Mozilla?"

      In this case, the reason would probably be that none of the other browsers you mentioned are available for the Amiga platform neither, and the Amigans don't want to continue struggling with their current sub-standard feature-lacking browsers.

    10. Re:Reason for Mozilla? by Sunnan · · Score: 1

      Neither konq nor moz starts on my old computer, and both do on my new one, so I might as well use Moz since I like it the best.

  38. Why stop there? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Also port:

    OpenOfice.org
    GNUCash
    MySQL
    XFree86/GNOME/KDE :)

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    1. Re:Why stop there? by ncosta · · Score: 1

      MySQL was been already ported sweet...

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    2. Re:Why stop there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, MySQL and XFree86 work on AmigaOS already via the amiga equivalent of cygwin, ixemul (it was in part the ixemul work that paved the way for cygwin, actually...)

  39. I adore the Amiga by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Expense has thwarted my aquiring it.

    I appreciate this fellows offer and will remember it.

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    1. Re:I adore the Amiga by 3seas · · Score: 1

      AROS is free and open source.

  40. Oblicatory Monty python refrence-Bat Boy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm not dead yet"

    My trusty bat will take care of that.

  41. What actually happened by LokiSteve · · Score: 2, Funny

    He actually just hit refresh and ended up double posting.

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  42. Advantageous to wait? by myrdred · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be very advantageous for a potential undertaker of this task, to wait a bit, since the pot of gold seems to be growing.. I mean, why port it today for $8000, when you can wait a year, and do it for $20000!

  43. Amizilla with an Arexx port.. by 3seas · · Score: 1

    Now thats a thought.

    Does linux have any such thing or capability there now?

    1. Re:Amizilla with an Arexx port.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Wait for D-BUS.
      Well, the KDE world does have something similar, I think it's called dcop or maybe something else. Look into it.

  44. Hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You complain about gnaa polluting slashdot but guess what, YOU'RE DOING IT TOO! hypocrital idiot

    1. Re:Hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least he's not a gay nigger

    2. Re:Hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      r u racist?

    3. Re:Hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      yes, you gay nigger

    4. Re:Hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      thats a very racist comment. you GNAA people need to stop calling people gay niggers b/c that would be racists

  45. It's None of Your Business.. by reallocate · · Score: 1

    ...if an Amiga developer wants to port Mozilla to that platform.

    No one is keeping score, you know.

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  46. Freedom's Just Another Word For No Salary by reallocate · · Score: 1

    Actually, you could chain developers to their desks, force them to code only what you say, pay them starvation wagess, and still be open source if you released the product appropriately.

    The freedom most open source developers enjoy to program what they wish is the freedom that comes from coding for no pay.

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    1. Re:Freedom's Just Another Word For No Salary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your point is?

    2. Re:Freedom's Just Another Word For No Salary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      you could chain developers to their desks, force them to code only what you say, pay them starvation wagess, and still be open source if you released the product appropriately.

    3. Re:Freedom's Just Another Word For No Salary by reallocate · · Score: 1

      The point is to refute ill-informed dweebs who think "open source" means they don't have to pay for software, and who fantasize about legions of developers thumbing their noses at the Evil Corporations.

      Beyond looking at another's code, exactly how does open source add to a developer's freedom? Or a user's choices?

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    4. Re:Freedom's Just Another Word For No Salary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open source means you can program in your spare time, contribute positively to this free project, and STILL KNOW that it can't be stolen. If you just release a project in the public domain, then plagiarizing it, rewriting it slightly, and copyrighting the new version of YOUR WORK, is legal.

    5. Re:Freedom's Just Another Word For No Salary by reallocate · · Score: 1

      Open source has nothing at all to do with creating spare time for developers. It's just one method of releasing software. Ditto for the public domain, proprietary licenses, etc.

      If a developer chooses to code in his or her spare time, the release model is not going to increase that spare time. If a developer is under contract or employed by someone, the release model isn't going to give that developer the freedom to code something other than what he is obligated to code.

      Any code can be stolen, reworked, copywritten, remarketed, etc., regardless of the license attached to the code. Without enforcement, a license is just a collection of powerless words. And, by definition, something in the domain can't be plagiarized.

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      -- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
  47. How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If this system of bounty-posting works, I'd like to invest in getting a recent version of Mozilla ported to Mac-OS. The final build we got for Mac-OS doesn't have spam-filtering, fails to render slashdot some of the time, and has a debilitating bug where the focus is lost if you change to another app with mozilla mimimised, stopping you using the keyboard.

    Mac-OS has a massive userbase of low coputer-literacy 'creative' people who bought a mac for usability and are highly resistant to retraining to OSX, but since OSX is a much nicer development environment, all the programmers were very quick to jump ship. It would certainly make my life easier if I could migrate all the designers I look after to Mozilla.

    So, is there a bounty for a Mac-OS port out there, or how do I start one and get it noticed by potention developers/contributors?

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    A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
    1. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

      I'd like to invest in getting a recent version of Mozilla ported to Mac-OS.

      Is this a troll?

      I suggest you go to Mozilla.org.

    2. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by Andy_R · · Score: 1

      No, it's not a troll, follow your own link and see.

      Mac-OS support was dropped at around version 1.2.1, I would be more precise but http://www.mozilla.org/releases/ is one of the pages that I can't render properly in the version of Mozilla for Mac OS that I have here, everything between version 1.0.2 and 1.4 seems to be missing.

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      A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
    3. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by POds · · Score: 1

      It may work but it may not. A lot of people believe MacOS fans are the true fanatics, but you have to see what Amigaians will do to their 10 year old hardware to squeeze the last bit of jucie out of them, how they have their workbench hacked to fuggery and back to bring it close to a normal operating system. Amiga's have touched a lot of people and for some reason, a lot of people come back and visit every now and then, and some get sucked back in. Its a strange force, more powerful than any force in existance.

      I'm not an Amiga lover, although i did own one. I conduct interviews with past Amiga developers and have fun in the forums, for some reason or another, i cant stop!

      Why dont you start you'r own MacOS bounty program?

      --


      Giving IE users a taste of their own medicine since 2005 - http://pods.-is-a-geek.net/
    4. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he's one of those stick-in-the-mud, old fart OS9 users who can't bring himself to admit that OSX is "Mac OS". Therefore in his universe there is no Mozilla for Mac OS.

    5. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's any consolation, there is a newer version of Mozilla available for Mac OS Classic.

      Backstory: mozilla.org stopped doing OS 8.5/9 releases because they wanted to concentrate on OS X. They advertised it for port status, but no-one stepped up. Mozilla 1.2.1 was the last Classic release available.

      However, a Mozilla-based browser called WaMCom is available. The latest version of WaMCom is based on Mozilla 1.3.1. It's true to the original and the only changes are that they added 480 truck bug fixes and some extras that aren't yet in the suite were added. Most importantly of all, they managed to get it working on Mac OS Classic!

      Yeah, it's not 1.5 (or even 1.4), but it's better than 1.2.

      These two MozillaZine articles offer more info:

      Article 1
      Article 2

    6. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

      http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/rel eases/mozilla1.6b/mozilla-mac-MachO-1.6b.dmg.gz

      http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/camino/rele ases/Camino-0.7.dmg.gz

      Both are linked from the frontpage.

    7. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not your fault, but the releases you link to are for the OS X versions of the software. The Mac OS 9 version has pretty much stagnated and the latest official release is indeed 1.2.1. There are a lot of people out there that still use OS 9, and I am sure that a (significant)bounty could be collected to get the latest Mozilla, Firebird, and Thunderbird for the "unwashed" who are still loving them some OS 9.

      For those of you looking for a slightly updated version of Mozilla for OS 9, check out the WAMCOM port, which is based on 1.3.1

    8. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by Andy_R · · Score: 1

      MacOS != OSX

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    9. Re:How do I contribute to the Mac-OS port bounty? by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

      MacOS != OSX

      Well, without a version number I assumed that "the mac OS [port bounty]" was OS X, as, well, it is right now, and we are right now.

      Just as if someone asked a build for windows I wouldn't assume that they were talking about windows 3.11.

      Sorry.

  48. pocket pc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My donations going to the pocket pc project... not found a good browsers for it yet! Click here to support the project

  49. What is this rampant hypocrisy? by Trilobyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really get sick of all these people saying "The Amiga is Dead" simply because there's no marketing machine or company behind the name. (Even if there is, and they are a poor company).

    Since when did a marketing machine and financial support determine an OS's (or platform's) viability? Is Windows 98 dead now that Microsoft no longer supports or markets it? I don't think so, since so many programs you buy still work on it and countless computers still run it.

    I think it's a bit silly for people hanging out in an open-source, FREE SOFTWARE themed forum, to say that a platform is dead because it's not CORPORATE.

    Nevermind that there are still tens of thousands of dedicated users who operate Amigas side-by-side with other more advanced computers; who use the Amiga for what it can do because they like the way it does those things, but use the more advanced hardware for what the Amiga lacks. That independent software developers have been inventing their own solutions to internet connectivity and audio playback/editing and UNIX cross-platform compatibility for YEARS now, ABSOLUTELY FREE, and oftentimes WITHOUT the help from all the befuddling Linux/sf.net open source existing code. These people are doing it from scratch using the AmigaOS's API because it's GOOD, and EFFICIENT, and actually rather fun to program.

    Isn't that incredibly respectable in the mindset of this forum? No?

    So I guess I should stop now. I could go on forever. I find it incredibly painful that otherwise open-minded, inspired folks find it perfectly fine to diss a platform and make value judgments about it when THEY'VE NEVER EVEN USED IT.

    1. Re:What is this rampant hypocrisy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Since when did a marketing machine and financial support determine an OS's (or platform's) viability?

      No, but software support is critical. Not having a decent web browser doesn't say much for the Amiga's viability.

  50. Cocaine, Move Over by occamboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe that Robin Williams said that "Cocaine is God's way of telling you you have too much money."

    Move over cocaine: you've been eclipsed!

  51. I am truly impressed by whorfin · · Score: 1

    I never would have thought that there were this many people who still cared about the Amiga!

    I'm curious though...what does it offer you that other desktop systems do not?

    --
    Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!
    1. Re:I am truly impressed by vidarh · · Score: 2, Informative
      The shortlist of what I still miss from my Amiga using days:

      • Datatypes - Amiga had a generalized system for basic handling of file types that allowed you to drop in a library to handle a data type (an image format for instance) and all programs that used datatypes and could handle the particular type of data (image, sound etc.) would instantly be able to load and save and manipulate the new format in various ways.
      • Assigns. Almost like symlinks, but volatile and not visible in the filesystem. Almost like shell aliases, but visible in file selectors
      • A usable file selector... I to this day have not seen any other one that I've been as satisfied with as the file selectors used on the Amiga (plural, because most people would use slightly enhanced onces, from the asl or arq libraries)
      • Workbench... There was much discussion about spatial finders here earlier. Amiga's Workbench had the basics, and was lightweight enough to be usable even on very slow machines. Back then I did manage my files graphically - I've not seen a graphical file manager that's been good enough since, though Nautilus is slowly approaching a usable state at least on CPU's a few hundred times faster than the Amigas
      • AREXX, or at least the automation it gave. I hate the language, but love the level of automation offered and having a standard API for doing it. DCOP, DBUS etc. seem to be slowly getting there, but it's still nowwhere near what the Amiga had 15 years ago. The beauty of it was simplicity - Arexx only passed arrays of strings around and got arrays of strings back, and how apps dealt with what they got was up to the apps. For most automation tasks that's all that's needed... Most newer attempts are severely over-engineered.
      • Some of the apps, that I've not yet found replacements for that I'm happy with: Diskmaster II (I've seen a few DOpus clones, and they might do the trick, haven't tried them though), Cygnus ED (combined with Arexx it was a great development environment), Deluxe Paint IV and Digipaint (Gimp may have more features, but Deluxe Paint and Digipaint are still miles ahead in terms of usability for basic freehand or pixel work)
      • Screens, and having app menus on top of the screen... MDI was a kludge. Menu bars in each app window each screen realestate. Screens were a nice clean solution, and I DID regularly use the ability to drag them. Enlightenment have or had support for draggable screens, but without app support for it you're only halfway there.
      • A standard way of handling command line options that also provided option overviews in a standard format that could easily be parsed by a program

    2. Re:I am truly impressed by vortexau · · Score: 1

      > I'm curious though...what does it offer you that other desktop systems do not?
      Its hard to explain to those without Amiga-experience . . .

      But, compared to other platforms; its like the difference between having a good wife . . .
      and one who sleeps around- sleeps through the day drunk- and keeps your credit card maxed out!

      So, having an Amiga is like having a GOOD wife!
      .

      --
      (David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
  52. Mozilla on Amiga? by coopaq · · Score: 1
    Meanwhile... Bill Gates still thinks it's a good idea
    to build new software for new computers and new
    technology and try and sell it.

    What an idiot! We'll show him!

    Muuahahahahaah!

    ...oh wait. amiga is new technology. and Knight Rider
    will make a comeback too and teach all those
    reality TV shows a lesson!

    Muuuahahahhaha!

  53. $1 Million dollars! by alecf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rumor has it a certain Mr. Flinstone will pay $1 million dollars to the first person to port mozilla to "that wooden calculator with the bird inside."

  54. Why UAE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The requirements are ludicrous. Firebird isn't so great even on my Pentium 3 450MHz. Even with a high-end Athlon or Pentium 4, WinUAE with JIT is not going to give you anything useful. A 300MHz PowerPC might even not be enough. Plus without virtual memory, you're hosed. The bounty would be much more feasible if they standardized on a single platform, like OS 4. Getting it to run on all the platforms listed would be a serious engineering effort, and I don't think $10K would even come close to the real costs.

  55. Poor slashdot attitude by oobar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There seem to be a lot of responses along the lines of "(sigh) Why oh why are resources being wasted on this? Can't they work on the mainstream platform instead? Imagine what that money could do..." This completely misses the point. The donor behind this obviously sees some need or desire to see Moz on the Amiga, and is willing to put his money where his mouth is. If you don't agree, fine. If you want to see mainline Mozilla development continue, then donate to the Mozilla Foundation. Otherwise don't complain about a perceived injustice to something provided to you for free.

    It's like complaining about how muscular dystrophy is such a worthless cause and all those losers who donated to MD research could have made a bigger impact if they'd contributed to AIDS research instead.

    1. Re:Poor slashdot attitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like complaining about how muscular dystrophy is such a worthless cause and all those losers who donated to MD research could have made a bigger impact if they'd contributed to AIDS research instead.

      Yes.. for all the wrong reasons.
      Amiga = Muscular Dystrophy, Linux = AIDS. Yeah, that'll do.

      Bonus credit science experiment:
      Observe as the rating on this post plummets to "-5 Troll/flamebait", and consider how it'd be +5 Funny/Insightful if only I'd written "Windows = AIDS" instead

  56. Better ideas.. by Ogerman · · Score: 1

    Considering how many *useful* open source projects could use some funding, this is a really silly waste..

    Now, if somebody would collect money to sponsor the completion of full SVG support in Mozilla, THAT is something I'd be more than willing to donate to. And it would help more than a tiny handful of people.

    1. Re:Better ideas.. by TCaM · · Score: 1

      Then why the hell don't you go start a fund drive for one of your more 'worthy' projects? Obviously the people who started this, along with the people who have donated wan't it, they are under no obligation to spend their money in whatever way you see fit.

  57. It may have been innovative in the late 80s by pr0ntab · · Score: 1

    but it's nothing to pine over.

    Like the PS2, the multi-chip architecture was neccessary in order for the machine to be close to usable for the things people wanted to do with it.

    Some of that ideology still lives today, what with the everything-but-the-kitchen sink northbridges used by modern PCs and machintoshes. They shrunk it down to one chip, but the purpose is the same: take care of all the I/O in one place, and interrupt the CPU when it can use busmaster DMA to ferry it somewhere else.

    If they were to produce an Amiga today, in order for the design to break price-points, they'd basically need to use of the existing chip vendor's recommended system boards. (i.e. IBM or Motorola). What they come up with will basically be a Macintosh.

    Maybe that's why no one is releasing an updated Amiga. Everytime they get some engineers to come up with a system architecture, Steve Jobs reveals something almost exactly the same at MacWorld.

    --
    Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
    1. Re:It may have been innovative in the late 80s by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's why no one is releasing an updated Amiga. Everytime they get some engineers to come up with a system architecture, Steve Jobs reveals something almost exactly the same at MacWorld.

      Best conspiracy theory ever. The tinfoil hat is in the mail.

      --
      Ron Paul 2012
  58. Well!?! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Where's my TRS-80 port, you insensitive clods?

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    #DeleteChrome
  59. Let me clarify... by pr0ntab · · Score: 1

    at this point, the only architectures that are cheap enough to mass produce that perform well are: CPU+MMU, RAM channel, interconnect to northbridge or crossbar, single/multiple PCI (infiniband?) busses, AGP, with some built-in chips on the non-extendable PCI bus that graduates the offering levels (+SCSI, +dual GB LAN, +S-ATA, etc.)
    That's it. Doing anything else is expensive and dooms you right out the gate.

    The only people that can afford to do that on a large scale is Sun. But they choose more complex architectures solely to provide scalability with multiple CPUs. But even they stick to standard extension technologies (Fiber Channel, PCI, etc.)

    So the "idea" of the Amiga as a personal workstation is not relevant today.

    The only other option would be to initially treat it as a game console, but then Sony and Nintendo would slaughter them.

    Reality is harsh mistress.

    --
    Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
  60. Hell, I'd do it if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd take a shot at writing a 100,000 lines of code; if only I knew where I stored my ROM Kernal Manuals.

    Yes, Virginia, I own the last fully-operable AK4000T PPC/68K, 128M/2GB Amiga in all of Richmond.

  61. I said it in the past... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...I'll say it again.

    I used to code quite a bit on the Amiga. I would love to get back into the show and donate my time and my help (if I could be any help at all) to a worthwhile opened source Amiga project.

    I'll get started the moment they ACTUALLY deliver that new and exciting entry into personal computers that they've been promising for years.

    Oh, and sneak peaks at "Maybe Almost Sort of Available Hardware that only runs Linux at the moment" doesn't count.

    --

    "Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"

    Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
    1. Re:I said it in the past... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and sneak peaks at "Maybe Almost Sort of Available Hardware that only runs Linux at the moment" doesn't count.

      What about available hardware running a new Amiga-compatible OS?

    2. Re:I said it in the past... by POds · · Score: 1

      Why not try AROS and start porting some simple but much needed applicatins from the Unix front?

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    3. Re:I said it in the past... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AmigaOS4 will be out for AmigaONE in end of 2003 or very early of 2004.. The beta is allready running nicely on the amigaone :)

    4. Re:I said it in the past... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      AmigaOS4 will be out for AmigaONE in end of 2003 or very early of 2004.. The beta is allready running nicely on the amigaone :)

      Is that an echo? Oh, no, last time I heard it, it was a year ago, and here they are saying it again? How many years do I have to wait?

      If most Amiga users have a "WAIT AND SEE" attitude, why they hell won't they go ahead and SHOW US already?

      --

      "Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"

      Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
  62. Amiga is dead-Long live the Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. I picked up the Amiga: User Interface Style Guide (1) and I know were I can get the Hardware Reference Manual for about $7.00

    (1) I'm the GUI guy at work.

  63. 030/25 by Crass+Spektakel · · Score: 1

    I am trying to imagine Mozilla on my Amiga3000-030/25... NOT.

    I've got two browsers running on my Amiga, some graphical semicomercial (Aweb? Ibrowse? Dont really care...) one which licence I got by outbuying some old boxes and lynx.

    And only lynx runs at usable speeds. Can you imagine that the graphical amount of slashdot.org overwhelms my not-so-bad-miggy by a long shot? It easily takes five minutes to display a normal list of comments.

    Mozilla should easily tenfold the overhead. I wont even think about using it on MY amiga.

    The mainproblems will be porting of modern compilers, the libs and a better memorymanagment - or how to you expect mozilla running on a 16MB-System with no swapspace? So its basically about updating the whole operatingsystem, not only porting some software.

    I guess the best way would be using m68k-linux...

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    "Life is short and in most cases it ends with death." Sir Sinclair
    1. Re:030/25 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This port is mostly aimed for next generation hardware like the amigaone ppc or an classic amiga with ppc accelrator.. Mozilla will have no problem running on an 1ghz g4

    2. Re:030/25 by Explo · · Score: 1

      Then again, I guess most of the people that use Amiga more than to occasionally play some old games from the late 80's / early 90's have acquired 68060 / PowerPC boards (which can accept more memory than the 16 + 2 megabytes that e.g. A4000 accepts). It would not be an unbelieveable speed demon, but probably usable, at least if running natively on PPC. 68060 would probably be quite painful.

      (I've not myself upgraded much, because I've used Linux quite exclusively the last around 6 years; 68040/25, 16 megabytes and no GFX card. Almost bare-bones A4000. Little interest to upgrade, although you never know.)

      --
      Everyone who makes generalizations should be shot.
  64. only 4k?-For the love of...money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If anyone does this though, I suspect it'll be a hard-core Amiga zealot whose primary motivation is not the money."

    Hmmm...Open Source is being done for money then? Interesting, I have to make a call to Washington State then.

  65. Pot Kettle Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Isn't your comment rude? I certianly didn't want it.. so it seems to me that you're the one who needs to stop posting those types of comments

  66. It was a troll, you reverse-psycology using troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  67. TROLL, amigans ATTACK!!!! (bugle sounds etc...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Allright fellow amigans!!! Moderate Matt2000 into OBLIVION!!!!! MUAhahahahahahahahahahaah cough

  68. Amithlon support? by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

    I thought that project was "mothballed indefinitely", because the developer was screwed by the AmigaOS XL guys?

  69. Re:Stop looking for the "new amiga"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to be confusing the Teron motherboards sold at a 60% higher price under a licensed trademark with "new Amigas". I know, don't be embarrassed, it's an easy mistake, especially if one would take anything said by Eyetech at face value.

    As it happens, there will be no more Amigas. AmigaOS 4.0 and beyond will run on off the shelf, non-Amiga-specific 3rd party hardware like those Terons.

  70. G4 boxes available for "dead platform". by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

    For a platform that's been "dead" for ten years, the available hardware is stranglely up to date...

  71. Wait to long, and someone else will grab the price by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

    Because, then, someone less greedy, will be finished with his port, and have allready claimed the price.

  72. My Amigas still run.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI:

    My Amigas still run and one of them still has my old BBS *online* with three telnet nodes on an ethernet card. 68060 CPU, 66mhz, 64mb RAM and 3D 64bit graphics card..

    The response time is faster then my 1.5gb RAM, XP1600+ running Windows 2000.

    That Amiga is at least 10 years old..

    Dead? Not by a long shot!

    Seriously, if you do not know what you're talking about - shut up. I will not bash your alternative machines just because I use other platforms..

  73. I don't agree. by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

    "You seem to be confusing the Teron motherboards sold at a 60% higher price under a licensed trademark with "new Amigas". I know, don't be embarrassed, it's an easy mistake, especially if one would take anything said by Eyetech at face value.

    As it happens, there will be no more Amigas. AmigaOS 4.0 and beyond will run on off the shelf, non-Amiga-specific 3rd party hardware like those Terons.


    I don't agree. My PC has not a single IBM-produced part in it, have very little in common with the Original IBM PC, and don't run a typical "PC OS". I still consider it a PC.

    Even though the AmigaONE hardware is not "Amiga-Specific", and not produced by Amiga itself, it's still produced with AmigaOS in mind, and would therefore classify as Amiga-hardware the same way as the box at my feet, with non-IBM hardware, running a non-MS OS, would classify as a PC.

    1. Re:I don't agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's still produced with AmigaOS in mind, and would therefore...

      No, it's not.
      A dealer called Eyetech is buying a number of Teron boards, some of which they will sell using another trademark ("AmigaOne") which Eyetech has licensed. Terons don't magically transform into something else just because some of them are also sold under another name from one specific dealer.

      (Regarding your offtopic, irrelevant and stunningly meaningless comparison with your PC vs. ancient "IBM PC" computers; in case you missed it "PC" is not an IBM trademark, nor has it been the name of any IBM computer model for the last decade or two.)

    2. Re:I don't agree. by ncosta · · Score: 1

      It runs AmigaOS, where Teron doesn't so.. what machine run AmigaOS, right... An Amiga

      --
      pixie-writing from a paradise called Portugal
    3. Re:I don't agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in fact, Amigas, like Macs were sold as PCs, they were after all personal computers, just not IBM PC-XT/AT compatible ones (unless you had a bridgeboard).

    4. Re:I don't agree. by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

      Ah, I was of the impression that Eyetech was producing those boards and boxes especially with AmigaOS 4.0 in mind. My mistake

      What I thought was said was that they weren't Amiga's because they weren't Amiga Classic or something. Was very tired when I posted. That's why I came with the PC-comparison, because I think I was talking about Amiga architecture in the same context as f.eks. PC-architecture, or as f.eks. the Umax Mac-clones, alltought I'm not realy sure what exactly I was thinking about, or if I where thinking at all. :)

  74. Re: Browsing on an Amiga by Trilobyte · · Score: 1

    There are very few websites I regularly visit which I can't access with my Amiga browsers AWeb, IBrowse or Voyager. The main browser I use is IBrowse 1.22, which probably had its last revision in '98. (It since has been updated to 2.xx, but I haven't upgraded because 1.22 works great for me).

    This is mainly due to my web browsing patterns, though. I tend not to go to the mega-sites that require CSS and Flash (and even JS). Instead, I tend to go to more technically oriented websites and message boards and the like, which work just fine due to their simple design.

    Slashdot works great in all the browsers too.

    A lot of Amiga fans are under the misguided impression that a Mozilla or Firebird port will bring a Java Virtual Machine and Flash to the computer. It won't, of course. Work was started and aborted on two different JVMs over the years, and a half-baked port of Kaffe exists. As far as Flash, of course nothing but basic spline rasterization could be possible without bogging down the 75mhz '060 in the fastest 68k-based Amiga. On PPC-equipped machines, more is possible, but even a 233mhz 603 will get choppy on sites like homestar runner.

    I look at the BeOS port of Mozilla as a sign that an Amiga port is possible, but they had serious kernel issues they had to get around (and did so with the help of sidelined Be engineers -- the closest thing we have to help like that on the Amiga side are people like Olaf Barthel and other AmigaOS geniuses). I imagine that if a more modern OS like BeOS had limitations, so will AmigaOS; Be had a problem with maximum library size allowed in memory, and some sort of segmentation scheme had to be introduced to allow Mozilla's huge library collection to be available in RAM.

    My Amiga is fast, but it's only got 32 megs of RAM, and this is fine for day-to-day use with native Amiga software. With most things loaded, I'm left with about 18 megs free. This is hardly enough to get NSPR and some GUI toolkit running, let alone an entire Mozilla experience.

    Sorry, I'm getting off your topic. But yeah, for the old Amiga to get re-introduced and marketed toward mainstream, the lack of a wonderful browser would be a killer. But for everyday use by Amiga fans such as myself, the browsers all work fine, and they're fast. We know our limitations.

    Honestly, Voyager (under AmigaOS and MorphOS) isn't a bad browser, and has decent support for CSS, though it's unstable. IBrowse (1.22) is stable and fast, but doesn't support CSS or JavaScript *at all*. AWeb supports JavaScript and is now open-source, and even lets me get on HotMail (which Safari on OS X.2 can't do anymore, and neither can Mozilla/Camino). So I think we've got a grand browser problem in general, and I'm used to not getting the whole web when I'm on anything except the sh*tty Explorer. (Interestingly, AWeb used to be AMosaic, based on the Mosaic source code, just as we all know earlier versions of IE was).

  75. GNAA getting trolled in their own threads, Oh My! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    YHBT YHL HAND

    Crapflooders getting trolled in their own threads, oh how embarassing!
    Your ship is so far down it's supporting marinelife.

  76. YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    you were double-trolled

    actually, this was such an obvious and poorly planed troll on your part that I had to respond in such a way that I knew would keep you responding for hours.

    guess what? it worked!

    never seen so many stupid incoherant replied to such an obvious GNAA troll.

    1. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      " you were double-trolled"
      "actually, this was such an obvious and poorly planed troll on your part that I had to respond in such a way that I knew would keep you responding for hours."
      "guess what? it worked!"

      Wrong again grasshopper, that wasn't me you responded to. He's actually one of YOU!
      GNAA is dying!

    2. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Wrong again grasshopper, that wasn't me you responded to. He's actually one of YOU!
      GNAA is dying!


      Uh, not he wasn't. Moron.

      Sorry to be a wet blanket. Sorry to foil your efforts.

      How hard is it to quote properly?

    3. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Who are you taking to? The GNAA member who turned against you, the guy you falsly accused of misspelling a word that's in Gnome Dictionary, or me?

      To the GNAA guy who turned against his queers^H^H^H^Hpeers, you did the right thing, GNAA is just a starter clan, time to move on.

    4. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Hey! leave me out of this! GNAA was fun untill I found out they were _really_ gay! I had thought it was just a hoax untill they started swapping homoerotic porn on IRC! That's when I knew it was time to move on.

      ex-GNAA

    5. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Yea, I was going to join, but the gay porn I just couldn't stomach. I joined CLIT instead. They don't try to push homosexual lifestyles on you in IRC like GNAA does. Plus, crapflooders are "cheap labour." Skilled workers don't spend all that unproductive time posting crap, they can do more with less.

    6. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      if you really are an ex-GNAA member (which you aren't), state your name.

      otherwise you're not, and the GNAA has won (since you have not provided a definition either, that also proves we won too)

    7. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      HA! Caught you, you imposter! Those of us who *really are* GNAA would know better than to ask for anyones name! If we told you, we'd have to kill you!

      You'll think *twice* before pretending to be with GNAA again, you imposter! You've been sch00led by GNAA! You're still mad that we didn't let you join right? That's why you're pretending to be one of us!

      You will NEVER be one of us BwaHAHAHAHAha!

    8. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Dude, quit while you can, he's playing with you. It's embarassing. You're making us look lame again. We've talked about this on IRC, you need to do better, your conduct is making us look like a bunch of silly amateurs.

      GNAA

    9. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Guys, if I may interupt you for a second...

      Why do you want him to give you a definition of a word he used? You were the one that accused him of misspelling it, then when it's confirmed you were wrong (The word is in Gnome Dictionary like someone pointed out) you then want him to provide a definition too? Why don't you look it up yourself? You were the one that made the (false) accusation to begin with.

      That's all I had to say. Carry on.

    10. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      You guys ARE a bunch of silly ametuers. this thread was a disaster, take a look a'ch yoself! Oh man is Trolltalk going to have a field day with the way GNAA fumbled this one

    11. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Oh, come on! Nobody ever expected anything from them anyway, they're just crapflooders. Anybody can crapflood. Well, almost, apparently GNAA can't do it very well anymore, such is life.

      Is there a group out there who'd like to replace GNAA? We need to get a competant group online. GNAA just can't cut the mustard anymore, the innocent bystanders are beating them senseless. We need 'competant' trolls who can hold their own. This is just an entry level (crapflooder) position, so skill isn't a high priority (as long as you can do better than GNAA, but that's not saying much, and goes without saying)

    12. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      um, well, actually, you've been talking to the wrong people for the past hour. The original post was MINE. You've been argueing with imposters for two hours now. kinda funny actually :)

    13. Re:YHBDT FOAD YHL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! That rules!

  77. re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well comeon comparing Amiga to C64 isn;t fair, one runs at 1.18MHz while the other has up to a 280MHz PPC cpu; AmigaOnes have 800MHz PPC cpus, they are the planned (well hardware's been released with Debian) new Amiga, to run AmigaOS4 with. Amigas just get blown away by AMD 64s and even Pentium 3s for real number crunching, but they're in nowhere near as deplorable a state as Ataris and C64s. ... Sides comparing 020/030 speeds with 060s even is unfair (060 is several times faster at same clockspeed)

  78. Amiga NetBSD? by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    I could seem to confirm that Mozilla doesn't run on Amiga NetBSD?

  79. Quotes from the Pegasos website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Resellers will also soon have..."
    "We will be selling Pegasos II boards..."
    "Pre-order"

    It don't look real available to me. It looks like "maybe almost sort of available hardware that only runs Linux at the moment".

    1. Re:Quotes from the Pegasos website by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      It don't look real available to me. It looks like "maybe almost sort of available hardware that only runs Linux at the moment".

      Don't you think the fact that they talk of the "Pegasos II" kind of implies there might have been a first model?

      The Pegasos has been on sale since sometime 2002 I believe. To be pedantic, yes it is not being produced anymore, but there are possibly still some in stock at retailers, and that doesn't change the fact that new machines have been produced.

  80. Different Idea . . . from a strange being? by vortexau · · Score: 1

    Gee Matt2000; did an Amiga user steal your girlfriend and turn your heart to vinegar?

    or . . . are you a strange being without any blood coursing through your veins?
    (posted from an AmigaOneXE-G4)
    .

    --
    (David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
  81. Nostalgia... how the ghost of you clings. by Sunnan · · Score: 1

    I guess people are so in love with a light-weight, message passing microkernel that they keep using it even though it's basically a proprietary platform. Takes all kinds...

  82. typical linux user attitude by chegosaurus · · Score: 1

    The world starts and ends with linux. Nothing else matters, because everything else sucks.

    Think how many abandoned-at-version-0.1 sourceforge projects could be started with that money! I *so need* a wider choice of mail clients written in python. Or perhaps another window manager? You can never have too many of them. Write it in perl with 250 module dependencies!

    Or maybe the money should go towards copying something Microsoft have already written. Okay, so everything they do sucks, but we need it all on Linux anyway. Not that we'd use it anyway, because we're all so l33t that we only use zsh, perl and screen.

    w00t!

  83. MOD PARENT UP. he GETS it and is not talking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...out of his anus like most.

  84. Mod that post up! Re:Please give us Firebird first by AlienRelics · · Score: 1

    That post by Amix is much more informative than the one about Xircom par port Ethernet. There are no Amiga drivers for the Xircom par port ethernet boxes, I wish there were! Windows is the death of a thousand cuts and requires trememdous hardware specs. Amiga really multitasks and does it in barely anything, especially by todays standards. I would like to see Mozilla ported to the Amiga OS for quite a few reasons. That's my opinion in a nutshell.

  85. Time to get an Amiga. by Pathetic+Coward · · Score: 1

    I'll just go get one at ComputerWorld and then head on to Egghead for the Lotus 1-2-3, dBase III, and MultiMate software.