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Introducing The Dave/Dina Multimedia Distro

thomasvs writes "The Dave/Dina project is a small enthusiastic group of developers working on a complete open-sourced distribution for home entertainment systems. You can record and watch TV, watch DVD's, grab and listen to CD's, rate your music, videochat with other people, watch pictures, and all this on your TV set in the living room, with a remote control. The first .iso set has just been released. This is a beta release meant to attract new developers, testers, and hackers, who want to work towards a similar goal. It works fine for us, but it might need fixing on other hardware, which is our next goal. On a related note, Happy New Year to everyone !"

167 comments

  1. I still want to kill myself. by Compact+Dick · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Life still sucks.

    1. Re:I still want to kill myself. by janbjurstrom · · Score: 0

      Guy, you don't sound alright. You got 2 posts along these lines ...how are you man?

      Please don't do anything you can't have undone. If you're truly hurting, try to find help - now. Call someone, go to a hospital, something, just NOT what you seem to be contemplating.

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    2. Re:I still want to kill myself. by doublebackslash · · Score: 0

      Dude, I will listen to you. I don't even know you. My girlfriend i bi-polar. I've heard those two words a lot. I allways take them seriously, even if she won't. If you need someone, I'm sure that you have friends, someone who cares. Open u to them. If you need support anonymously there are a lot of people here (me included) that will liten, and talk back. Write in your journal, and enable comments. With two posts like this people will come, read, and help you. Just ignore the flamers.
      Please don't suffer alone. (cheezy-quote) Pain shared is halfed, joy shared is doubled.(/cheezy quote)

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    3. Re:I still want to kill myself. by sparkes · · Score: 1

      http://slashdot.org/~Compact%20Dick/fans you are not totally alone ;-)

      I just added myself, drop any of your fans a line and have a chat, it can stay anonymous if you want.

      it's normal to have these kinds of feelings more at this time of year there is a lot of help out there and like you I seem to have karma to burn so fuck those mods who mod down anything that doesn't fit their personal preferences. fuck em they can't hurt you.

      you seem to be a together guy in your earlier posts and might be suffering a little at the moment but don't have to be alone. Drop someone a line and try and talk to them. it could be as simple as someone on slashdot or the samaratans or someone who you look up to.

      if you a troll you took a long time to change your spots ;-)

    4. Re:I still want to kill myself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  2. This is a great idea! by SargeZT · · Score: 1, Funny

    This idea is like Windows XP Media Center Edition. Free software for everything you could possibly want in a Home Multimedia Center.

    But ya'know, not at all gay like WinXP MCE

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    1. Re:This is a great idea! by damiam · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "gay" has many meanings unrelated to homosexuality.

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    2. Re:This is a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Well, that's pretty fucking linux. I think it's pretty open source to use it in that context. Now excuse me, I need to go grab a magazine, hit the restroom, and take a damiam.

    3. Re:This is a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gay used to mean happy before you faggots decided to twist the word into something else.

  3. wow... by bwhaley · · Score: 1, Troll

    Damn... :)

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    1. Re:wow... by exhilaration · · Score: 1, Troll
      Well, I managed to mirror that picture in case anyone else wants to see it: here .

      Besides explaining who "Dina" is, it's not terribly interesting... :(

    2. Re:wow... by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's so nice I mirrored it! But 800+Megs seems a bit much for a PVR system. In case you can't see the pic, it's a shot of the install screen with a pic of Dina Tersago, listed as the source of inspiration and a Miss Belgium.

      Jonah Hex

    3. Re:wow... by ak_hepcat · · Score: 1

      Why not just use the real url: http://www.whoisusman.com/stuff/davedina.jpg?

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    4. Re:wow... by exhilaration · · Score: 1

      Because now my personal website will show up in Slashdot and Google searches, thereby linking my nefarious post history to my real-world identity.

  4. Hmm by downix · · Score: 3, Informative

    This sounds similar to the VideoLAN project.

    A great idea tho, tried it out a few years back to much success.

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  5. davedina.org requesting $20,000 by morelife · · Score: 4, Funny

    For new servers.

    They are down now.

    1. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by svanstrom · · Score: 1

      His blog's up though. =)

      But not for long. ;-)

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    2. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by thomasvs · · Score: 5, Funny

      sigh, if I had known you people would be actually reading on New Year's eve... you're supposed to be out partying like me damnit ! Anyway, if anyone wants to set me up with an ftp or scp account so I can upload the iso's, let me know ! thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org, I can start uploading right away.

    3. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Haven't you learned anything on slashdot? Stick them on P2P, and let everyone else share the load.

      It seems that bittorrent is currently /. prefered (but probably only because it's new and trendy). I much prefer smarter P2P (like Gnutella).

      BTW, be prepared to be inundated with thousands of requests by people, asking you to upload them to each of their desktops :-)

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    4. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by Feztaa · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I much prefer smarter P2P (like Gnutella).

      Does gnutella actually exist? Over the past few weeks, my mom (who I converted to linux some time ago) has been complaining that she needs some way of getting music on her computer. I've been trying various gnutella clients, but NOTHING has been able to work (ie, no gnutella client can successfully connect to the gnutella network, let alone search out and download files from it). And yes, my firewall was opened for gnutella properly.

      My failure in finding a linux p2p app for mom has caused her to change back to windows, where she now enjoys kazaa (much to my chagrin).

      I personally use bittorrent as my primary p2p app, but I decided that was inappropriate for mom because of the passive nature of bittorrent (IE, you can't really search for files on bittorrent, you have to go to BT pages and wait for interesting files to come to you).

    5. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Bittorrent IS smarter. It's private P2P. You have to know someone who has the hash file. It's not built to allow every other 12 year old to download Fitty Cent bile and get sued for it. It's built for geeks to share their beloved digital possessions with other geeks in limited runs while making the most of each individual's personal bandwidth.

      While Gnutella is a smarter kind of Napster/Kazaa, it is no more a holy grail of P2P than any other app. It's just more dumbified for the unwashed masses. Popular != Good

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    6. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by kalka · · Score: 0

      http://apollon.sourceforge.net/

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    7. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by thomasvs · · Score: 2, Informative

      anyway, a first mirror is up at http://zandbak.zoo.apestaart.org/davedina-0.0/

    8. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Does gnutella actually exist?

      Not only does it exist, it is improving greatly. When Kazaa came out, everyone was saying how much better it was than Gnutella. Now Gnutella has everything Kazaa had, in a free and open source P2P system. It's also getting things that (afaik) Kazaa doesn't have (tiger-tree hashes for example).

      I've been trying various gnutella clients, but NOTHING has been able to work (ie, no gnutella client can successfully connect to the gnutella network, let alone search out and download files from it). And yes, my firewall was opened for gnutella properly.

      I don't know what to say. GTK-Gnutella works quite well. Did you just not have any hosts?

      My failure in finding a linux p2p app for mom has caused her to change back to windows, where she now enjoys kazaa (much to my chagrin).

      You could always start off using gnucleus on windows.
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    9. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Bittorrent IS smarter.

      It's different, but it sure as hell isn't smarter... But smarts has little to do with how good a P2P app is for it's purpose.

      It's built for geeks to share their beloved digital possessions with other geeks in limited runs while making the most of each individual's personal bandwidth.

      It's design intention is not an issue at all. You could say that Netscape Navigator wasn't built for surfing porn, but it wouldn't have any impact on how well it does the job.

      It's just more dumbified for the unwashed masses.

      No, it isn't.

      Gnutella does a lot of things that bittorrent simply can't... Things that make it more appropriate for distributing files.

      For one thing, Gnutella does not need a centralized server as bittorrent does. So, if the main publisher goes down, that does not stop everyone else from downloading the file from peers.

      Second, nobody needs to host the .torrent. All you need for Gnutella is a URL that includes the SHA1 hash of the file. So, on any site, you just put a link like this one and your Gnutella client will search the network for all nodes sharing that exact file.

      Gnutella has the same ability to share partially downloaded files. It downloads random chunks of the files so that everyone has a different partial portion of the file (instead of everyone having the first part). It does not have the statistics capacity that bittorrent does, which is a side-effect of being real P2P, but those stats aren't really important anyhow.
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    10. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by 00420 · · Score: 1

      Try giFT. It connects to Gnutella, OpenFT, and FastTrack (Kazaa's network).

      There's also a lot of different clients for it (even one designed to look like Kazaa. Personally I can't vouch for any of them except Apollon, as that's the only one I've tried, but it works great.

    11. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      It's also getting things that (afaik) Kazaa doesn't have (tiger-tree hashes for example).

      That's all well and good, but it doesn't mean dick all if nobody can connect to the network :)

      I don't know what to say. GTK-Gnutella works quite well. Did you just not have any hosts?

      I like the interface of GTK-Gnutella myself, but it just *won't* connect. When I start it up, it starts with the 4 standard host catchers, and I see the server list frantically trying to connect to hundreds, if not thousands of peers... and every single connection fails. I can't explain it, because I know gnutella used to work, but it simply does not anymore, and nothing in my setup has changed appreciably (yes, I am behind a NAT router, and yes I use iptables on my linux box, but the NAT router forwards the port to me and iptables accepts the connection -- I know this all works because a GRC.com scan reveals that the port is open).

      I don't know what to say; it's almost as if the gnutella network literally has zero active peers (maybe the host cachers should just be more liberal about throwing away inactive IPs?).

      You could always start off using gnucleus on windows.

      Frankly, I don't want to touch that computer ever again. Mom's got kazaa, it works (for now). She's happy with it, I'm not going to change anything. My mom is one of those classic stereotypical technophobes. To give you some perspective on her utter lack of clue, I've heard her say "But I don't want Mozilla, I want the internet". I had to go to great lengths to disguise Moz as IE/Outlook just to get her to stop using those godawful programs.

    12. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      I've used giFT in the past, and I love the modularity of it's design (ie, one program to focus on the dirty work of p2p, without having to be bothered with silly things like user interfaces, and a second program to focus on making a great UI and not having to deal with the nitty gritty details of p2p -- it allows each program to specialize and become very good at what they do). That's the theory. In practise, giFT is a pain in the ass to compile, giFTcurs is the only half-decent frontend (and it's totally not acceptable for mom). Plus Jasta likes to break his protocol every few versions so that people are forced to upgrade to the new version, he hates legacy clients on his network.

      If I want to get mom on gift, I'd have to go through the contortions of compiling a really nasty program at least once a week, it's totally not worth the effort.

    13. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by evilviper · · Score: 1
      (yes, I am behind a NAT router, and yes I use iptables on my linux box, but the NAT router forwards the port to me and iptables accepts the connection -- I know this all works because a GRC.com scan reveals that the port is open).

      You don't have to have incomming connections open to allow Gnutella to connect... As long as it can make an outgoing connection, and the replies are passed-through, it'll connect. You'll just have less sources to download from if the Gnutella port isn't open.

      I strongly suggest you try connecting to Gnutella from a box outside your firewall, that is the most likely cause of your problem.
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    14. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is, I can use gnutella with the firewall blocking it, it'll just be way worse :)

      How can the firewall be blocking anything when an online portscanning service tells me that the port is specifically open (ie, it can connect to the server listening on that port). Does gnutella use more ports than just 6346?

    15. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by evilviper · · Score: 1
      So what you're saying is, I can use gnutella with the firewall blocking it, it'll just be way worse :)

      What I'm saying is, you don't need an incomming port open to be able to connect to other Gnutella nodes. So, your problem has nothing to do with that port.

      How can the firewall be blocking anything when an online portscanning service tells me that the port is specifically open

      Because your connections to other nodes does not happen on your port 6346...

      Look at it this way: Even if the portscan says that port 80 on your firewall is open, doesn't mean you'd be able to connect from inside to a webserver on the outside.
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    16. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is, you don't need an incomming port open to be able to connect to other Gnutella nodes. So, your problem has nothing to do with that port.

      I know, I was making a joke (it's terrible now, I could close the port and make it even worse).

      Look at it this way: Even if the portscan says that port 80 on your firewall is open, doesn't mean you'd be able to connect from inside to a webserver on the outside.

      Guess what: I browse websites all the time. There's no special logic in the NAT routing table or my own firewall that would specifically block outgoing connections. I can connect out to a website and have that information come back to my computer, so I can also connect out on gnutella and have those connections come back to my computer. My firewall rules basically say "block everything, allow established connections, allow gnutella" and the router basically has the same thing, so why doesn't gnutella work?

    17. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by evilviper · · Score: 1
      My firewall rules basically say "block everything, allow established connections, allow gnutella" and the router basically has the same thing, so why doesn't gnutella work?

      Well, the outgoing gnutella connections are being blocked. Either it's your firewall (which is why you need to at least try using it on a directly-network connected box) or by an upstream firewall/router (eg. Your ISP).
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    18. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Well, the outgoing gnutella connections are being blocked. Either it's your firewall (which is why you need to at least try using it on a directly-network connected box) or by an upstream firewall/router (eg. Your ISP).

      My OUTPUT table has a "default accept" policy, and no rules in it. The router, of course, is the same (who would buy a router that would block you from doing what you want to do?). The only possible thing is that my ISP is blocking it, but I doubt that (in the past, my ISP has shown that they're not anti-p2p bandwidth nazis -- in the first two weeks of December I had a combined upload/download total of 65GBs and the only thing my ISP did was send me a friendly email asking me to tone it down, even though the TOS allows them to charge me outrageous fees for exceeding my 8GB monthly limit).

      IOW, my ISP doesn't block bittorrent and they don't block kazaa (mom's using kazaa), so I don't see why they'd be blocking gnutella. It just doesn't make sense, sorry.

    19. Re:davedina.org requesting $20,000 by evilviper · · Score: 1
      It just doesn't make sense, sorry.

      Wether or not you think it makes sense isn't an issue. I've listed some things you can do to find-out where the problem is. If you aren't going to try anything, you don't want help, I won't waste any more of my time.
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  6. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can record and watch TV - VCR / TIVO

    watch DVD's - DVD Player

    grab and listen to CD's - cd Player

    rate your music - pen and paper, mental note

    videochat with other people - any computer with a video cam

    watch pictures - computers or actual photos combined with the power of sight

    and all this on your TV set in the living room, with a remote control - universal remote

    That's great an all, but this is for people who want it all-in-one. Maybe it's not for you, but sure does sound appealing to me.

  7. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by Gr33nNight · · Score: 1

    Yes, but all that shit you mentioned cost mad amount of monies. You can build a PC for under $500 and with free software, have it equal an expensive PVR + dvd player. Oh, and watch all those divx movies that you 'backed up'.

  8. Top Ten Ways to Kill a Webserver by aztektum · · Score: 3, Funny

    10. Run it on a distro dedicated to multimedia playback and post it on /.

    The rest is up to you

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    1. Re:Top Ten Ways to Kill a Webserver by Aliencow · · Score: 0

      9. Mirror an ISO of said distro to get a +5 post on slashdot.

    2. Re:Top Ten Ways to Kill a Webserver by cgranade · · Score: 1

      Note that the other nine ways also end in "and post it on /."...

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  9. Attractive by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is a beta release meant to attract new developers, testers, and hackers, who want to work towards a similar goal.

    And lawyers and RIAA and MPAA who don't, oh my!

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  10. Sheesh....already /. ed by Hegemony · · Score: 1

    Oh well, should have started my ftp download a second sooner...

    Anyone doing this already with satisfactory results? I'm loving Tivo but am very close to trying out the all in one option.

  11. Is it easy? by WildBeast · · Score: 1

    So is it easy to setup or a pain in the ass just like so many other products? What kind of TV tuners does it support?

  12. Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Rate your music" is a particularly stupid reason for media PC.

    If I have the song, THAT's the good rating. The fact that I went out & got it. What kind of moron goes out to get music they don't like?

    1. Re:Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I always laugh when I look at Windows Media Player 9. It has a section labeled "Music tracks I dislike". Quite asinine. Indeed, why would I have music I dislike on my computer?

    2. Re:Yes. by LamerX · · Score: 1

      What kind of moron goes out to get music they don't like?

      I do. I know that most people probably don't. But My MultiMedia PC in my living room is like the party PC. Lemme tell ya, everyone loves a huge playlist of everything. And anybody have requests? Add your song to the playlist. The full screen opengl visualizations look bitchin cool on a big ass TV too. Drunk people wander around going "d00d, thats trippy". It will bring people back to your place next time, and say they wanna watch a DVD, bam pop it in, and you're good to go.

      What I mean to say is, if you save EVERYTHING, it is bound to be listened to by somebody. I don't exactly go out searching for stuff I don't like, but sometimes downloading crap is inevitable. Plus who doesn't want bragging rights to 160Gb of music?

    3. Re:Yes. by Dasein · · Score: 1

      If you actually go out and buy a CD then you get 2-3 good tracks, 4-5 filler, and 2-3 complete turds. It's nice to be able to punch the "Oh, yuck!" button, then go back later and clean out the yuck.

      I haven't bought a new CD in a long time but I have been converting a lot of old CDs to MP3.

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  13. good luck by Azmodie · · Score: 1

    well good luck with the project in the new year. i think these distro's are good idea. something i would like to setup in my flat. but lack the spare hardware for now. Hope for the future.

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  14. FIRST POST ASKING WHY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Why?

  15. Mookore is installing Gentoo again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although I won't be finished installing until 2004, It will be good to take it up the ass from Larry!

  16. Site's down by hurtstotouchfire · · Score: 1

    That was quick. Did anybody catch a mirror? Or at least get some text so we have something to comment on other than each other?

  17. Re:another writeup by rmull · · Score: 1, Funny

    just a HUNCH but I'd fathom a guess that this link isn't particularly relevant, or work safe. I don't know since I'm at work, and I value my job and my eyes. Follow with caution.

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  18. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by October_30th · · Score: 1
    with free software, have it equal an expensive PVR + dvd player

    Please name one TV-capture card that captures and packs video into DivX using free software.

    I have an el-cheapo card that does that perfectly in Windows, but under Linux (xawtv) it can hardly capture raw input (which I have to compress later manually).

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  19. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > How do you feel about the compulsory body searches,

    Have you been to New York?
    Lots of people here are looking forward to the compulsory body searches!

  20. Re:another writeup by exhilaration · · Score: 1, Informative

    MOD PARENT DOWN!!!!

  21. Mod Parent Down by iamweezman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This guy is always trolling...Mod Down. Better yet make him your enemy.

    1. Re:Mod Parent Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just made you my enemy. thanks for posting offtopic shit logged in

  22. I really think.. by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that highly specialized distros of Linux like these are going to be what gets it into households. Bonus points of they make it CD bootable like Knoppix.

    Man I'd love to have a mail server distro. Just run the install, then get a little wizard thing that asks the questions it needs to know to be configured, then boom, you have a mail server.

    Make another for web server, office workstation, game distro, artist distro, PDA distro, etc. If focus is given to suit these needs, people will be less shy about trying them out. I know I would be. It's rather daunting to set up Linux, then have NFI what you want to do next, then when you do get an idea it's a PITA to find out what you need to do it.

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    1. Re:I really think.. by greenskyx · · Score: 1, Informative

      I completely agree with you... two of my favorite specialized distributions are:

      E-Smith - Small business server/gateway. Allows VERY easy setup of samba shares and a few other things through a web based control panel.

      and

      IPCop - Firewall distro that is only 20MB!

    2. Re:I really think.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You ever look at the way E-Smith does things? Holly crap, what a mess! It's no wonder there's always exploits for it. And to have to pay for those updates from something that's supposed to be free (based on RH btw) what a joke E-Smith is.

    3. Re:I really think.. by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      Thank you for mentioning that! *bookmarked*

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    4. Re:I really think.. by greenskyx · · Score: 1

      You should also bookmark contribs.org if you want to do anything with E-smith. It's the community support site. It started rather recently so it's a bit sparce now, but I'm sure it will pick up as people join.

    5. Re:I really think.. by earthforce_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I would rather see one universal distro that could become whatever you want it to be - anything from a single floppy firewall that runs on a 386, to an everything but the kitchen sink super desktop system, or perhaps one element of a beowulf cluster.

      That is the way the kernel itself is designed - it can be cut down slim and trim or loaded up with all the fixin's. But it is all built off the same code base.

      1000 specialized distros will lead to confusion in the marketplace, and would be a nightmare to keep up to date. Imagine if you have even 10 of them to take care of, and had to remember a few months later how to reinstall or patch if the tools and package management are different for each!

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    6. Re:I really think.. by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

      Man I'd love to have a mail server distro. Just run the install, then get a little wizard thing that asks the questions it needs to know to be configured, then boom, you have a mail server.

      That's pretty much exactly what SuSE did with their Openexchange server. Instead of attempting to build a product that works on any Linux distribution, they just attached a purpose-specific Linux distribution to it. You don't install this product on top of your out-of-the-box Linux; you instead boot from the CD and you install it all at once.

      VMware ESX Server does the same thing.

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    7. Re:I really think.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Our group LEN (Linux Experimental Network) is working on the concept. sorry for no link, but my connection simply would not handle the load, and I won't even be able to use inet here from /. effect.

      Right now we have an alpha 'distro' (more of an image with install instruction) for the desktop/multimedia system which is based around kde3.2(beta), 2.6.0 (although i find that test7-8 works much better than 2.6.0 release with identical config still can't figgure out why!) dvd stuff, video conversion, and some other things..

      As well, LEN has a router/IDS image (still testing)

      www/ftp/bugzilla/mail servers are still not ready but the general image for server install is on its way...

      Once again, I appologize for lack of links.

      If someone is interested in hosting the images (soon to be knoppix like cds as well) drop me a line at omitsura at yahoo dot com

      Happy New Year everyone!
      (and merry xmass for those who celebrate it in january)

      ~omi

    8. Re:I really think.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes that's right, that's why everyone on the planet just needs a copy of Microsoft All(R), which is your word processor, spreadsheet, database, e-mail, recipe guide, fertility checker, chess game and a zillion other things all rolled into one.

      Of course, it comes on 62 CDs and requires a quad-Xeon to run...

      Oh wait, maybe instead of trying to cram thousands of things into one program there should be thousands of different prograns out there that each do just one thing really well! Wow, then people can just install the two or three programs they need.

      Man, but how confusing would the marketplace be if everyone who wrote a program could just sell it any old way instead of bundling it into Microsoft All?

      Makes you wonder...

    9. Re:I really think.. by discogravy · · Score: 1
      Actually, I would rather see one universal distro that could become whatever you want it to be - anything from a single floppy firewall that runs on a 386, to an everything but the kitchen sink super desktop system, or perhaps one element of a beowulf cluster.

      ...the website is here

  23. ivtv by Bigby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So does this make ivtv, lirc, etc... much easier to install. I bought a PVR-350 (tv tuner and tv-out) and a 160 GB hd to setup a multimedia center. The server (my primary computer) has the 160 GB hd, MySQL, and master mythtv backend. The client is a 450 MHz computer with the PVR-350. If it works well, I will buy another PVR-350 and put it in an extra 400 MHz computer. Quite scalable. The current problem is getting ivtv to compile properly.

    1. Re:ivtv by JWW · · Score: 1

      Did you yank the firmware information out of the exe file from the windows driver? Ivtv needs that to compile. Also, many of the v4l modules need to be compiled as well.

      Once ivtv is compiled lirc is pretty easy to get working with the hauppague remote. Be sure to do a make clean in the lirc directory if you've had failed compiles of it, though.

      But I do know for a fact the PVR-250's do work, once ivtv is up and going and loaded (theres also some issues with setup of your /etc/modules.conf to get things loaded too).

  24. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't knock "backups". I have a two year old who knows how to press the DVD/CDROM eject button. She has also leaned on the open CD tray a few times, snapping one off already. Now I rip all my store bought DVDs so that I can play them without the DVD. It's more convenient, safer, and I can skip past all those annoying Disney previews.

    Oddly enough, the Linux DivX actually works better than the divx.com player.

  25. the distro/software is not the hard part. by Lumpy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The hard part is getting TV out that is clean, supported and Hardware accelerated for mpeg1/2/4 playback.

    A P-4 1.2 ghz machine has barely enough power if you dont have hardware playback for the video files, then you have to get a decent capture card (DVR-250/350 is the ONLY choice.) supported audio that doesnt suck... (SIS/I810/AC97 audio is the absolute worst you can get, and is usually on every motherboard.)

    how about a standard hardware platform that works and wont be discontinued in 30 minutes?

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    1. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 1
      I don't know what kind of crack your smokin, but I can get my measily 500mhz P3 to playback any video file, mpeg or avi, xvid, quicktime, etc...

      Even better, get a DXR3 for $30 on ebay. Mplayer and Xine both can use its TV out. And yes, it even does non-mpeg files on the TV-out and yes that same computer plays it back just fine.

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    2. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      hey dipshit.

      the dxr3 is .... GASP.... discontinued and not possible to get outside of used on ebay...

      Nvidia has crap for video out. ATI isnt well supported but much better in regards to video out. and ITX boards have nasty-crappy Tv out and XV support.

      why dont you actually try to make one of these things instead of talking out your ass..

      I agree with lumpy... without XV you cant play a divx cleanly on a 1Ghz machine. so most SIS chipsets that are motherboard integrated and have a decent tv out cxhipset behind them that dont need some stupid driver to get working have crap XV support and CANT play VIDEO FULL SCREEN DECENTLY.

      think you fool.... think!

    3. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      The hard part is getting TV out that is clean, supported and Hardware accelerated for mpeg1/2/4 playback.

      Just yesterday I posted an informal announcement that MPlayer has hardware MPEG1/2 acceleration (primarily) on Geforce4 videocards (there's some talk about hardware-assisted MPEG4, but I'm not holding my breath). The Geforce4 cards also happen to commonly have SVideo outputs.

      A P-4 1.2 ghz machine has barely enough power if you dont have hardware playback for the video files

      What the hell? I've heard of people playing-back Divx video on 133MHz systems (framedrops of course). I know a 400MHz system is more power than video playback will ever need.

      What are you talking about?

      how about a standard hardware platform that works and wont be discontinued in 30 minutes?

      That's the greatest thing about using computers... You don't need one set of hardware do do what you want. Any soundcard! Any videocard! Any capture card! The results should be pretty-much the same, and prices are much lower because you aren't locked-in to a single hardware vendor.

      Now that I've said that, there are many choices you could make. Maybe: WinTV-PVR250 +Nvidia GF4 MX +Audigy2? It would work perfectly, and you'll certainly be able to get them for more than 30 minutes.
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    4. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Nvidia has crap for video out.

      I don't know how many centuries ago you used an NVidia card for video-out (or if you're just BSing) but my Geforce4 MX card's video-out is significantly better quality than even moderately-priced DVD-players. I'd be willing to bet it's better than high-priced DVD-players as well, but I don't own one, so I can't say that with any certainty.

      why dont you actually try to make one of these things instead of talking out your ass..

      I can't speak for the poster, but I have built a few such machines.

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    5. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 1
      Hey donkey ball licker...

      NVIDIA has awesome video output. And, why don't you guys get out of the all in one video shit for a $20 PCI card that will do XV? Come on you get what you pay for. SIS, funk dat.

      The original post was about TV output and Linux.

      Yeah, RTFA biatch, I said you can get a DXR3 on ebay for roughly what you pay for 'net access to bitch ass out.

      The world doesn't have windows does it?

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    6. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 1
      Hey, thanks man. Its a new year and this, uh, person is flaming for something he can't comprehend. Have a good year evilviper!!!

      BTW, I can guarantee its better because my laptop IS my DVD player. Video out works great. And yes, in Theater mode in Linux, so my sister can watch Finding Nemo on the TV while I read /. on the laptop wireless....

      Why do I need winblows again?

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    7. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by poptones · · Score: 1
      Hey kids... uh... why do you even WANT a "tv out" on a system? I mean, I know you can buy a cheap 27" TV at Wal-mart now for like $200, but uh... why would you? You can buy a used monitor for about the same money and it has RGB inputs. Or better still stop being a cheap bastard and shell out a few hundred for a decent rear projection set large enough to be able to actually enjoy watching movies.

      Getting decent video into a computer is pretty easy. And getting decent video out is as easy as hooking up a decent monitor to a PC. But no way is 450MHz "enough to do video" on any system that has access to HD programming. I have a 1.6GHz system with an ATi card and even it is hard pressed to keep up with full screen 1080i MPEG2. And you can forget it completely if you want to try compressing that to full resolution MPEG4. Hell you wouldn't even be able to play back the HD 520p stuff I encoded to HD Xvid from a digital sat rip on a 500MHz machine! Thankfully, a mobo/cpu/ram/box that CAN handle that still only costs like $350 these days, so what's it matter if a "free" 450MHz system in the closet isn't up to that task?

      BTW "AC97" simply denotes a product that meets certain interface standards for PC audio. It hasn't a fucking thing to do with sound quality and there are some very good AC97 compatible sound systems out there. And no, I don't mean that crap from Creative.

    8. Re:the distro/software is not the hard part. by evilviper · · Score: 1
      why do you even WANT a "tv out" on a system? I mean, I know you can buy a cheap 27" TV at Wal-mart now for like $200, but uh... why would you?

      Because that 27" TV is higher resolution than any video that you can get right now. It's also because just about everybody has a TV in every room in their homes, and most computer monitors don't have a built-in TV-tuner as TVs do. Good enough?

      You can buy a used monitor for about the same money and it has RGB inputs.

      A 27" computer monitor for $200? I don't think so... Not yet anyhow.

      But no way is 450MHz "enough to do video" on any system that has access to HD programming.

      Yes, but there was no mention of HDTV video at all, so HDTV playback is not an issue here. BTW, you can stick a $30 GF4 in a 100MHz computer and playback HDTV streams.

      Hell you wouldn't even be able to play back the HD 520p stuff I encoded to HD Xvid from a digital sat rip on a 500MHz machine!

      I have no doubt you can play 520p, MPEG4, on a 500MHz machine.

      BTW "AC97" simply denotes a product that meets certain interface standards for PC audio.

      Where the hell did that come from? I never said a damn thing about AC97. I am well aware of what it is and isn't so post this somewhere else.
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  26. Torrent? by Gr33nNight · · Score: 1

    Hey, anyone have a .torrent for this?

    1. Re:Torrent? by m0rph3us0 · · Score: 1

      I'm in the process of getting the isos from the developer and once that is done I will be posting a link to the torrent here.

    2. Re:Torrent? by mriker · · Score: 1

      When are people going to learn? If you're going to post news on slashdot about your new software, set up a .torrent!

  27. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by dom1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course we can install all this software ourselves. But my mother can't.
    The reason for using any Linux distribution is to have a maximum of useful and well configured software with minimum efforts.


    My Red Hat 9, before I had done manual installations of many extra software or newer or different versions, couldn't play neither mp3s, mpgs, avis, nor movs.


    We can do all this with any distribution just like we can program a complete database system in assembler, or we can have a perfectly secure network if we don't let default settings on OSes, etc.


    Being able to do something is one thing, but being able to do this easily is another one.

  28. Flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this flamebait? The parent poster was trying to alert others of the bogus disgusting link in the grandparent post.

    Sheesh moderators...

  29. Re:another writeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just a HUNCH but I'd fathom a guess that your post isn't particularly relevant (i.e. having to do with The Dave/Dina Multimedia Distro).

  30. Advice to distro nerds. by supabeast! · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the future, when you get /. to pump your new distro, make sure that your servers can handle the load first.

    Morons.

    1. Re:Advice to distro nerds. by damiam · · Score: 1

      And, especially, don't link to dynamically-generated PHPNuke content when you're slashdotting yourself.

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  31. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oddly enough, the Linux DivX actually works better than the divx.com player.

    It's also Gator free.

  32. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fine, thanks. And a merry "fuck you" for asking. If Bloomberg doesn't care about getting sued for doing something he believes in, that's OK with me.

  33. MODS WERE CORRECT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its offtopic and rude

    flamebait is an appropriate moderation

  34. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should really be doing that in San Francisco, not New York.

  35. sounds awesome! ...but by PeteyG · · Score: 1

    This sounds totally cool! Maybe I should build a box for this and give it to the folks next year for christmas.

    On a related note, Happy New Year to everyone !

    thanks! but how is that anywhere near related?!

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  36. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny how CNN has withdrawn all quotes from a certain authority who acknowledged that some civil rights have been infringed (for the common good).

    Except he was not a New York authority. It was New Jersey Governor Jim McGreedy^WMcGreevey.

    As an aside, McGreevey is a Dean supporter. If Dean wins, expect another Reno/Ashcroft AG.

  37. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    that's OK with me

    As I said, looks like the terrorists have won.

  38. MOD ABUSE ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is NOT a funny post.

    it is offtopic and a cheap attempt to gain karma that should not be rewarded.

    1. Re:MOD ABUSE ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's right. It's not funny (well maybe a little) It's informative.

    2. Re:MOD ABUSE ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this informative?

      The tubgirl link is already modded down.

      This is offtopic and decreases the signal-to-noise ratio.

      Please mod down.

  39. You're a complete idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then your a complete idiot if you can't get anything to work. Go back to winblows or crapple. We don't want you!

  40. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    funny how David Dinkins complained about a couple immigrants getting shot up while Guliani was mayor. Sorry Mr. Dickhead, crime and police brutality was DOWN with Rudy in charge. When you were mayor, people were accidently getting gunned down everyday, by crooks and cops, but nobody cared because it happened every day.

  41. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please


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  42. LASTMEASURE REDIRECT IN PARENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    his tinyurl is set to redirect to a disgusting image part of the time and something nasty the other part of the time

  43. MOD DOWN PARENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dude that is a freaking disgusting webpage

    worse than goatse

  44. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you feel about the compulsory body searches, helicopter gunships (that "can lethally disrupt any action on the ground"), Hercules patrols with submachine guns and snipers?

    link please?

  45. It's 2004 in Finland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Come on.

    Do NOT do it.

    Don't give the life/god/universe that satisfaction.

    Be a pain-in-the-ass - insist on living as long as possible just to piss the universe off.

  46. Nicely Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post delivers, would read again. A++

  47. So for digital channels. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a Motorola 5100 cable box.
    From any TV in the house, I can get the standard analog channels 2-69. However, the digital channels 100-179 301-360, etc. only come in with the Moto 5100. Does this distro allow me to only record/pause/playback the analog channels, do I have to somehow connect it to the 5100 to see digital, or does it work on all channels with some special hardware?

    Just askin.

  48. You sonuvabitch!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These pants are dry-clean only!!

  49. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

    PLEASE! Like your mom can even connect this thing to the tv, or piece it together in the first place.

    Some people just expect way too much of their parents. I bet her vcr is flashing 12:00 right this minute.

  50. The world needs a centralized library by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 1

    Sure, content makers never want to let their works go for free.

    So charge people for the download. Allow access to every movie, book, piece of culture you can put in the database.

    Allow people to comment on it and categorize similar works. Ie, if you liked the Lion King, maybe watch some other Disney movies.

    But take it to obscure works, and you get to learn more about culture.

    For kids, it would be invaluable for learning... Theres so many learning software packages for kids, edutainment, but they go obscure with each passing computer phase.

    This would make your computer not only replace your television, but be enlightening too.

    1. Re:The world needs a centralized library by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      How about something like the WWW, but you pay for a subscription? For all Americans who want to get OnLine. Where's my venture capital for this bold new idea?

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  51. INFORMATIVE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this informative?

    The tubgirl link is already modded down.

    This is offtopic and decreases the signal-to-noise ration.

    Please mod down.

  52. Ghost Recon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They've opened up..."

    1. Re:Ghost Recon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hearing that means that you've fucked up.

      You're supposed to be silent and deadly - a ghost.

      Go back and play Quake, newbie.

  53. Re:another writeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this informative?

    The tubgirl link is already modded down.

    This is offtopic and decreases the signal-to-noise ration.

    Please mod down

  54. Re:New Yorkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Most of the detailed news have been edited down by now.

    Earlier today there were photos of the Hercules units watching the streets, snipers in Las Vegas and gunships getting ready for New York.

  55. You, my friend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are buying the wrong cds :)

  56. Sourceforge Project by slifox · · Score: 1

    The project has a sourceforge page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/davedina.

    No files there, but the CVS is being used and you can get to the web CVS archive to look around via http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/davedina

  57. Re:sounds awesome! ...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The software release being new, 2004 being new ergo!! :)

  58. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by jubei · · Score: 1

    Of course we can install all this software ourselves. But my mother can't.
    The reason for using any Linux distribution is to have a maximum of useful and well configured software with minimum efforts.


    Sure there are software tools out there to do all the tasks listed, but are they easy to use fullscreen with a remote? Easy configuration is important, but I hope that this distribution does more than just bundle some destop-based apps.
  59. Try this one out... by tbaggy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try out KnoppMyth which is a Knoppix bootable CD customized to do just MythTV

  60. freevo, movix, mythtv, geexbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    do we really need another one?

    1. Re:freevo, movix, mythtv, geexbox by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, we do, until one of them gets it right.

      Evolution in action.

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  61. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by dorlthed · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but you can always set it up for her, just like you usually have to set the VCR up for her. Then she can (usually) figure out how to put in tapes and play them herself.

    And besides, my mom aside, I would like something like this just for the convenience factor. I mean sure, I could do it all myself, but it would take absolutely ages and I would have to do a lot of reading to learn how. I think this distro's a great idea because it provides a good starting point for anyone.

  62. Slightly OT - Video Overlay by bunco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been considering a client/server solution which places a low power (fanless) client PC near your home theater. This client would do things like announce incoming calls (vgetty), news, etc. The client would also be able to serve audio and possibly video content from the server.

    Anyway.. for this to work effectively, I'd need a means to overlay graphics on the existing video signal to my TV/monitor. Does anyone know of an inexpensive means of doing this? Maintaining video quality is key. Many audio receivers do this w/ volume display, input selection, etc.

    The only devices I've found that do this are "overlay/genlock" devices and cost hundreds of dollars.

    TIA

    1. Re:Slightly OT - Video Overlay by renehollan · · Score: 1
      What you need is to do the graphics overlay in the video chip that drives the TV (which could, of course, have component inputs and possibly support HDTV). That's how all the Set Top Boxes do it.

      ATI makes a chip designed for this purpose (disclaimer, I work for ATI, but do not speak for them): it's part of the Xilleon series (search http://www.ati.com for Xilleon). Basically, it's a processor, hardware MPEG decoder (or several), video scaler, digital overlay, and output encoder. It supports a graphic overlay mechanism in the digital domain.

      Oh yeah, it runs fanless.

      Unfortunately, I can not provide any technical information about this chip. However, if there was sufficient interest in the open source and free sofware communities, perhaps ATI might respond to such interest.

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  63. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by JWW · · Score: 1

    The Hauppage WinTV PVR 250 (and 350) for that matter, both work on Linux. They encode TV signal to mpeg.

    MythTv is required if you want to flag commercials, cut them out, and reincode.

    It will transcode your output automatically to another format for you, but to cut out the commercials, you have to manually check/modify the automatically created flags, but that's just because no commercial flagging is perfect (though for some channels, myth's is damn close.

  64. Re:sounds awesome! ...but by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's related because the system has gone up like a firecracker?

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  65. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by JWW · · Score: 1

    You're exactly right.

    My entire family has figured out how to run the Myth box. Though none of them could set it up.

  66. Diva? by NeuroMorphus · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that Dave/Dina's distro will be called Diva perhaps?

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  67. I can't believe it... historical first ! by Dave21212 · · Score: 3, Funny


    A Google Search (dina tersago belgium) on a supermodel babe yields as it's first result, not a bunch of spam/pron sites, but a new Linux project ? WTF ? hehehe...

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    1. Re:I can't believe it... historical first ! by Kemuri · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, they 'Dina' comes from Dina Tersago. A Computer Science student that becomes miss belgium is not something you see everyday :)
      I know about this stuff, because I was one of the first that heared the name of the project years ago from Thomas.

      Anyway, time are gone.. memories..

    2. Re:I can't believe it... historical first ! by SlashDread · · Score: 1

      U forgot OMG...

      "/Dread"

  68. Re:Everyone can do all of this already, duh by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1

    Please name one TV-capture card that captures and packs video into DivX using free software. I use a cheapo Hauppauge WinTV dbx/stereo card (model 401) and it works just fine. MythTV captures video from it and encodes it straight to DivX format to save it on the hard drive. Actually, my Athlon 2400+ easily captures a 480x480 input stream at 2200kbps from both my WinTV cards, encodes them in real time, and lets me watch one while also encoding. As long as you've got a 1GHz PIII or better you shouldn't have a problem encoding to DivX in realtime.

  69. But...it's still TV. by z123z · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great. Now I can have many more hours and channels of TV I don't want to watch.

  70. TV Listings by KingDaveRa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These projects fail in the PVR stakes, at least for me, in that they don't have consistant, reliable sources of TV listings. Even if they do, they're often US-based. WebTV (remember that?!) and so on don't really work properly due to the fact they aren't supported worldwide. Unless you're going to pay somebody to provide your listings, they are probably going to just dry up. In Sky + I've got a reliable, if closed-source solution. But the developers are proactive and working on it, so its not all bad. For a project like this to be totally successful as a PVR it needs either a community willing to edit these listings (some are available anyway for free) or another method, like using DigiGuide or a similar system. Some of the PC-TV cards out there like the Black Gold use DigiGuide for PVR features. Trouble is, its currently Windows only.

  71. Re:sounds awesome! ...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you saying that you're not related to the folks?

  72. Open your eyes. This is something more than WWW by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 1

    Theres a great wealth of culture that the web doesn't have listed and referenced.

    Instead of camping out television, you could actively pick any show you wanted to watch.

    Don't pay cable or satellite bills, and the computer is the center of your entertainment system. Pay an internet bill instead.

    The shows you want to watch would be easier to access. It didn't matter in the past, where there weren't many television shows/movies, and people would could see them all.

    Now, someone may want to sitdown and watch a whole season of the Simpsons. Captain obvious will note, Kazaa already does this, but thats the point. There is a monopolistic demand for a cental site to hold information. Once media providers realize they could make more money off such a setup, they'd probably go for it.

    Its like Blockbuster, but you don't have to leave your house. Now, the key is, that since its going to be a monopoly, once its in place, its going to be a monster. Now it can either be a good monster, like Puff the Magic Dragon, or a bad monster, like MTV. If its done benevolently, then you'll have it also educating our kids. But if its done corporately, it'll be trying to make our kids dumb enough to want more pairs of jeans than they need.

    The key is, from the beginning of time, libraries have been man's dream of educating the world. They're a place of learning, and people with freedom to access them can benefit. One book can help more than one person. The internet lets people access that book without the limitations of traveling, or a publisher making copies of the book.

    I'd want to get involved in such a project just to make sure the aim would be a positive change. There's no arguing this will be a success, because it will definately happen within the next 5-10 years. The question that is at hand is whether our kids will become more educated, or will they be subjected to corporate mind games. Movies, television, and video games are easy to watch. They can be used as tools to get kids motivated to want to learn and achieve.

    Imagine a generation who thinks learning is fun and cool. Educated people are less likely to be self centered and caught up in the dog eat dog world. Educated people are the ones that cure diseases and make real positive change. I could go on and on, but I definately see an interest in participating strongly in this project if I was allowed. It has a far reaching impact.

  73. Custom distros for multimedia: by waferhead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like KnoppMyth?

    Knoppix with MythTV preconfigured...

    Installable, or will boot from CD as a frontend given a network Myth setup.

  74. Re:Open your eyes. This is something more than WWW by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    You're right. Help me lobby the government to create neighborhood storefronts which keep copies of thousands of books, fiction, nonfiction, reference. People could register to borrow the books, provided they return them in a short time. We could get local schools to do it too, I'm sure colleges will go crazy for this. If we get rolling now, I'm sure that we'll have nice, quiet places that people can go to read within the next 5-10 years. I even envision some of the more secretly repressed cute girls will want to staff them, keeping their hair pinned up, and ugly eyeglasses on, starring in the fantasies of geeks everywhere.

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  75. Dina? by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Will the mascot be a pink dinosaur humping the leg of a cartoon version of Ralph Cramden?

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  76. HP de100c / de200c support? by MMHere · · Score: 2, Informative

    Will the distro support de100c (also de200c's) that were discontinued and fire-saled by HP about a year ago?

    These are cool units that look like a consumer "stackable" A/V unit, have video out, IR with remote control, networking, internal hard disk, etc. They were intended for storing digital audio, but enterprising folks have tried running Linux video apps.

    How would this distro fare?

    see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/de100c for more info.

  77. gnutella by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gnucleus is a good client for win32.

    It may take 5-10 minutes to connect to another peer who isn't full though, depending on your isp.

    Hit the advanced button to watch it try (and fail) the first few hundred times. It helps to search for something like "mp3" to generate traffic/listings.

  78. I knew a mare called Dina. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She was hot!

  79. You're either blind or Satan by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 1

    There will be corporatization of online media, its happening already.

    Once corporatization takes hold, there will be crackdowns on Kazaaalikes.

    The penalties for downloading will be more pricing than the cost of the download.

    This means the over all price of media will drop too, and the masses will adopt it.

    One cablebox/computer, that plugs into your TV. Allows you to watch any movie or television show ever made.

    This is what the future holds. If its a good box, or a bad box is up to the creator of it.

    This is one, if you're in it for the money, you're doing evil.

    1. Re:You're either blind or Satan by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      You could use a sense of humor, or perspective, or both. Your posts would have been naive in 1995; in 2003 they are kind of cute, but your jeremiads are pathetic. After I've proposed AOL and the public library system in response to your urgent demands, you freak out about an imminent corporate takeover that has been the status quo since the 1980s. Sure, I'm "satan", and you're some kind of virgin. Get out there and learn something real, before you get a splinter or something.

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  80. Re:Reason why rate your music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was thinking about this earlier tonight while listening to music from my computer. I have a bunch of music, some I like better than others, and I was in the mood to skip the so-so music tonight. I thought maybe I should stick them in separate folders based on what degree I like, and than thought, no, that is what the rating system with playlist should do, allowing me to mix in and shuffle songs based on ratings and % I want, like 90% of songs played have a 5 star rating, and the other 20% at least a three star,
    which I can change when I want.

    Of course, my media player doesn't support this, but it would be a great feature.

  81. Modern humor is tough by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 1

    I'm having trouble laughing at stuff anymore when theres an opprotunity present to make the world a better place.

    Laughing at something is just shugging it off, like its satire, and something that's going to go on regardless.

    To me, its hard to joke about something so gravely serious, and difficult to understand.

    With children being influenced by school, parents, and the media, its tough to lay blame anywhere.

    This system will be a one of the largest influences on children for the future.

    1. Re:Modern humor is tough by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I fear for the children you influence too deeply. Just do something already, and show it to somebody. Your rhetoric will become a lot more realistic once it encounters the real world. And you might even help someone, and make "the world" a little better. Don't worry - *you* are not the difference between despair and salvation, except to yourself.

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