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The Golden Transcendence
The books are firmly in the space opera genre with a dash of Heinlein libertarianism tossed in for good measure. The story takes place in the far future when artificial intelligences (known as sophotechs) and humans live immortal lives in a libertarian society of near unlimited technology. The experience of real physical interaction is replaced in many cases by remote bodies, recorded experiences of others, and complete control of what a person perceives. Humanity has moved beyond the one body - one brain system and has adopted many different systems of thought and even physical form
Mr. Wright puts forth a brilliant vision of technology and society in the far future where wealth is measured in seconds of computer time and physical labor is non-existent. In this future, there is are still wealthy and poor people but in a different way. In a good interview, Mr. Wright explains:
There would still be rich and poor, even if the poorest of the poor were absurdly well off by our standards. No advancements can eliminate differences in the abilities of men, or the differences in how men value the abilities of their fellow man (which is what causes inequality of prices and hence of incomes). If only by comparison, there will be poverty, even in Arcadia. My characters Ironjoy, Oshenkyo, and the Afloats [...] are meant to represent this idea of future poverty; the Seven Peers represent wealth.
As an example as just one of the concepts presented, we can look at the idea of 'sensefilters.' Perception is no longer what organic senses directly tell the mind. The signals received by the body or remote bodies are processed to be acceptable to the person's particular preferences. If a person doesn't like to see advertising, their mind eliminates the advertising from their vision and fills in the scene with what would be there if the advertisement wasn't there. Consciously, the person isn't aware of this, only that they have requested not to see advertisements. Sensefiltering can be used to remove (or add) objects, people, and even ideas from an individual's perception. The plot devices are interesting stuff that Mr. Wright explores in just enough detail to keep you wanting more throughout the trilogy.
The protagonist, Phaethon, is the son of one of the most important people in the society (known as the Golden Oecumene). In the first two books, Phaethon struggles against first the realization that he is missing parts of his memory, his struggle against society, his fall into exile, and his return to strength.
The third book finds Phaethon poised to fight against the true enemy that has been revealed to him. Without spoiling too much, Phaethon is forced to fight for the very survival of his society (which tossed him out) or allow it to be destroyed.
The author, John C. Wright, obviously has a libertarian heart and embodies the attributes of individuality, resourcefulness, ingenuity and desire for progress in Phaethon, the hero. In the opening novel, we find a society content with things how they are, willing to simply stop progress to prevent anything from changing their utopia in any meaningful way. Phaethon is a man of action in opposition to the statist Golden Oecumene. The underlying theme is that without mankind's strive for exploration and new goals, it is doomed.
Overall, an excellent book and series for the science fiction reader looking for something more than blasters and evil six-legged aliens. Getting used to the terminology and concepts is slow at first but well worth the effort.
Final note: If you enjoy Iain Banks's Culture series, Peter Hamilton's Night's Dawn, or John Varley's Eight Worlds, you will enjoy the The Golden Transcendence and the entire Golden Age Trilogy.You can purchase The Golden Transcendence from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.
As an example as just one of the concepts presented, we can look at the idea of 'sensefilters.' Perception is no longer what organic senses directly tell the mind. The signals received by the body or remote bodies are processed to be acceptable to the person's particular preferences. If a person doesn't like to see advertising, their mind eliminates the advertising from their vision and fills in the scene with what would be there if the advertisement wasn't there. Consciously, the person isn't aware of this, only that they have requested not to see advertisements. Sensefiltering can be used to remove (or add) objects, people, and even ideas from an individual's perception. The plot devices are interesting stuff that Mr. Wright explores in just enough detail to keep you wanting more throughout the trilogy (see other review).
The Golden Transcendence. What's it all about? Is it good, or is it whack?
It sounds pretty interesting, being a SW EU fan myself. Has anyone else read this serious, with any opinions?
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What are they all about?
Are they good or are they not so good?
More like 'Math' Fiction.
I love how some trilogies have at least 4 parts.
But the foreigner there is no investigation of the anus? As for me then you have not bought this
I know that the authors have investigated serious time in creating their world, but I'm not proposing never using the world again.. just give the particular character and plot a rest. Outside of the franchises (Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, Star Trek) that pump out more than I want to keep track of, I don't see much.
The last good one I read: Tigana
The last bad one I read: Wheel of Time Series (OMG-will it EVER end?)
Drudge gone crazy?!
I've never liked science fiction but all my friends do. Most of the books I've read seem to just be about the technology, races and languages the author has imagined rather than using those as a medium for telling a compelling story; the tail wags the dog.
I like Ray Bradbury, but all my sci-fi-fan friends say that's not "real" science fiction. So can anybody think of a "real" science fiction author that isn't
I'd like to get in to sci fi because it seems like an interesting genre in principle, but I can't seem to find any authors other than Bradbury who care about writing a good book or story. Any ideas?
All's true that is mistrusted
"The Brave New Moon is a Harsh Matrix..."
or something like that....
Rule #1 -- Politics always trumps technology.
This book sounds like crap. These people in the book need to get out more.
nowadays it seems most writers embark on these loooooong series (that usually start blowing by the 3rd book), I know it's easier to just continue regurgitating the same stuff, but come on, show some originality!
Notable example was the Erikson fantasy series (Malazan book of the fallen) which had a great 1st, good 2nd, ok 3rd and IMHO bad 4th (House of Chains IIRC) book. Notable exception to the rule is Martin's series that's still going strong (dying to read A Feast for Crows)
For people looking for some good standalone sci-fi books look no further than John Varley, one of my favorite authors.
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I guess it's flattering to be greeted by your own words when you click on a story, but it doesn't change the fact that this person, viniosity, completely plagiarized what I wrote a few months back on another Sci-Fi novel story. He did go through the effort of changing my "Star Wars" to his "Star Trek", but I'm not sure why he bothered ...
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I wish I could prove this, but I can't list any comments beyond my last 24. Honestly, why would I accuse someone I don't know of plagiarism if it weren't true?
Shame on you, viniosity
People read books for different reasons.
Sprawling SF or F series fill a need that many people feel. They want a comfortable place to escape to. Fictional comfort food.
These are steady sellers, and some publishers favor them. Dedicated readers will keep buying them, out of a sense of loyalty or completeness, and forgive the occasional "dud."
Different strokes for different folks.
timothy knows all about golden showers that's for sure. You would think he can get enouph, but he can't.
What a pervert.
The sound of the 200 years since the industrial revolution, Marx & Engels, Smith, colonialism, rushing by unheeded. Things are just a *little* bit more complicated than this. If I hadn't read this kind of simplified 'libertarian' nonsense so many times on the internet I wouldn't believe people still gave credence to it.
So the differences between incomes in the first world and the third world are dependent on differences in abilites??
The Libertarian myth that people will arrive at their appropriate station in life due to their own merits always amuses me. It becomes positively hilarious when you actually talk to them and realize they live in Lake Wobegon: where all the children are above average.
Regardless of ability, poverty will result simply as a result of random chance. As long as there is an independent probability of a negative result there will be winners and losers, regardless of ability. In a large enough population there will be people who lose most of the time, through no fault of their own. They will be relatively poor then, but it has nothing to do with their personal ability.
As a quick example, two investors mine some resource that's only available near fault lines. An earthquake comes, one investor's mine collapses and they are destitute. With the market all to themselves now the other is even wealthier than they would have been if the earthquake hadn't hit. They of course will write, or more precisely have someone ghost write, an autobiography lauding them as a business genius.
Iain M Banks Isaac Asimov Wells (The war of the worlds) Orwell (1984)
> forgive the occasional "dud."
As long as its only occasional.
An example:
Dune rocked
The next two were pretty good.
Volumes 4-6 were very ordinary. Volume 5 blew really hard.
I never bothered with the prequels.
Also Pratchett is starting to run out of ideas. The first couple in the discworld series were finding his feet, Volumes 3 through to about 12 are classics. Afterthat we have nothing special intersperced with flashes of inspiration.
Still, he makes more money and has more fans that I ever will.
> The signals received by the body or remote bodies are processed to be acceptable to the person's particular preferences. If a person doesn't like to see advertising, their mind eliminates the advertising from their vision
I have set my Sensefilter to remove any further discussion of Mr. Wright's books, which don't sound interesting at all.
Hey, what happened to that Slashdot thread I was reading? Oh well, what was I doing?
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I was turned onto it by a local bookseller who is friends with the author and had read advance copies.
I think it is a little misleading to call it Space Opera, because only the setting is such.
No other Space opera even begins to touch on some of the issues addressed within.
These include (but not limited too) what is truth, thought and humanity; ethics both of culture and individual; societal responsibility and individual responsibilities as well as human right vs societal rights; the nature of consciousness and how does perception affect it; the morel, societal and humanistic consequences of altering the human template; and whether tis nobler to quietly into that good night or rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Mind you I also want to beat Mr. Wright soundly. Some of the concepts that he mentions IN PASSING ONLY almost deserve an individual exploration of a book of their own. I stopped counting at about twenty in the first book alone. It seemed like every single page he mentioned a concept and I though "Wow that'd make a great book..." and then he'd move on.
Anywho, my $.02
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I guess it's flattering to be greeted by your own words when you click on a story, but it doesn't change the fact that this person, blat.info, completely plagiarized what I wrote a few months back on a similar story. I'm not sure why he bothered ...
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I wish I could prove this, but I can't list any comments beyond my last 24. Honestly, why would I accuse someone I don't know of plagiarism if it weren't true?
Shame on you, blat.info
Most of them are exactly what I'm complaining about, especially Dune *shudder*. If I wanted to switch almost entirely to a made-up language halfway through a book I would have read Tolkien. I guess 2001 was OK, and so was Canticle for Liebowitz. I just don't like how many books end up being about the technology itself rather than about the people around the technology.
I managed to sit through the first Hyperion without too much retching, but after that it just became another book full of gadgets and lofty claims about politics and god.
All's true that is mistrusted
why nigger?
Surely if you somehow feel compelled to buy the next two books (almost as compelled you are to having big black cocks in your ass and mouth), then WOT is a good serires.
You stupid fuck.
Take a look at some Vinge stuff. Most of his works do stand independently, even though he reuses worlds and even characters. Good stuff...
With that out of the way, as one of the other posters has shown there are a number of factors that lead to poverty in the current world. There is no reason to believe in the kind of future that this trilogy describes that any of those factors would still apply. In fact I've been very disappointed that the author seems to allow people to "edit out" advertising but doesn't seem to consider that you can "edit out" knowing about people better or worse off than you. IOW, in that society why would I care to know I wasn't rich?
With all that, I'd have to give these titles more of a mixed review. I think that the author has spent a fair bit of time coming up with some cool ideas. However, as with much of the genre, the characters seem dedicated to giving an excuse for the author to expound on the ideas than to actually giving us well-rounded characters who might make us learn or feel something new about the human condition.
Just my .02 worth.
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This really is a good book, for an extensive review of the first 2 books in the trillogy go to:
The Golden Age
The Phoenix Exultant
"There would still be rich and poor, even if the poorest of the poor were absurdly well off by our standards. No advancements can eliminate differences in the abilities of men, or the differences in how men value the abilities of their fellow man (which is what causes inequality of prices and hence of incomes). If only by comparison, there will be poverty, even in Arcadia. My characters Ironjoy, Oshenkyo, and the Afloats [...] are meant to represent this idea of future poverty; the Seven Peers represent wealth"
yeah right. However, without wanting to start a troll-war, of Adam Smith vs Karl Marx, it is also patently clear that "wealth begets wealth" and "The rich get Richer". Sounds like this book needs to be consigned to the Ayn Rand line/bin of Sci Fi, rather than placing him in-line with Iain M Banks, who's outlook is a good-old-fashioned utopian socialist/anarchist - he never claims the world is perfect or that there arent differences between people, but he's also wise enough to understand that if you circumvent the work or starve situation that many more openings become available to everyone, and everyone is richer as a whole (and you get to do crazy things like mix-it-up with more backward societies...)
i'd just like to point out that this article is:
...not that i fully understand - but i might end up reading this trilogy should my spam get too much worse.
"from the spam-filtering-ideas dept."
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...well. The author takes a guess about the future and as with all future predictions...it'll most likely be wrong! My favorite example is some of the Heinlein kid books...Mankind can fly to Jupiter on a rocket ship but they still use sliderules to calculate orbits! haha...
Blar.
sci fi books that are published as a series usually suck. i dont want to read 3 or 4 or even more books that are written the same way over and over and deal with topics in a pseudo-like way.
if you want to find out about humans, society and such, serious literature is the way to go.
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I loved the Golden age trilogy but I couldn't help wondering if the ending of transcendence was meant to reflect what is happening in Iraq now and was a form of propaganda. It talked about the golden age was over and how everybody would be drawn into a LONG war where certain liberties would have to be taken away to protect the greater good from the "ENEMY".
I don't know, maybe its just me but with other scifi entertainment(star trek tv and games, knights of the old republic,etc) having propaganda mixed in I wouldn't be surprised.
This series definitely has plenty of good writing and characters to go around. Really, its good from a literary point of view, there's a lot going on in it from the character level on up to the grand scheme of things. Mr. Wolfe is as fond of literary concepts as he is of science fiction premises.
I have to say, though, a lot of what science fiction is about to me is the gee whiz factor. The genre is about making some changes to the rules of reality and exploring how those changes affect the characters. I enjoy the unexpected twists that come about from taking concepts to their logical conclusions. For instance, if I lived 100 million years from now, I might walk on a beach where the grains of sand are the remains of the cities of ancient civilizations. Anyway, if the gee whiz factor does nothing for you, maybe this isn't your cup of tea!
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I just got to the end of "The Golden Transcendence" and what a marvelous journey this trilogy has been. Hints of influence by authors like Gene Wolfe and David Zindell resound through the series, and a distinct flavor of Wright's background in law shines through in very well-composed ways.
The hero of this story, a cyberneticly advanced individual named Patheon - many of the citizens of Wright's world use mythological and historical titles - who, in the first book, discovers that there are great portions of his memory - and life! - missing. Creatures from other planets visit, and often challenge, Patheon, tempting him with wealth, threatening him with violence and mind-rape, and informing him of hidden political struggles.
It is very difficult to say much more about the story without giving away some fundamentals of the story, but it's safe to highlight some of the issues touched on in the series:
Mortality
Free Will
What makes something 'alive'
Space-colonization
Love
The venerable "Captain Kirk" problem - are you still yourself after you teleported? In this story, it was more along the lines of "Who are you after you have been ressurrected?"
The sereis is a fantastic read, and I reccomend it to anyone who enjoys hard science fiction. While I would not consider this work _hard_ Sci Fi, it goes a bit past medium-soft. It's good stuff!
Man is born free; and everywhere he is in chains.
and forgive the occasional "dud."
And then there are people who buy the Honor Harrington series...
Parent's a goatse.cx troll, if you haven't already figured it out.
You guys who are responding to the parent's comments about "sensefilters" are missing the point. He's posted a piece of text lifted right out of the review (maybe it would help to RTFA, hell, you don't even have to click on anything) along with a link, to point out that this Slashdot review, like several other recent reviews, is plagiarized from Amazon.com.
you get the feeling that the refugees from slashdot will be talking the same old crap like the above in
5/10 years from now, while people who had gone into law will have been developing expertise in their areas
and become more valuable. It seems that slashdot refugees somehow are just employees in a throwaway profession in an area of IT. Or maybe the whole IT profession is a throwaway one. I don't want to keep throwing away knowledge and experience I have accumlated every 2 years to learn the hottest new operating system. I want to build on top of the knowledge that I already have. I want to learn Computer Science and not goddam become a code monkey where I am worthless at 35-36 whereas a lawyer of the same age is starting to reap the big bucks as a result of accumulating expertise in his area of specialty. or a professor of computer science is starting to gain recognition.
Slashdot refugees: where pseudo economics passes for the real thing, where sweeping generalizations are
thought to be insightful, where claims and statements are unsupported by that little tiny thing called hard
data/evidence, where opinions are a dime a dozen.
On the one hand I have found some really interesting gems posted. They are few and far between and this is what keeps me coming back and willing to wade through the chaff to find them.
Maybe it is my fault. Maybe I should just stay away from slashdot in case I start to get infected by pessimistic fuckers who have nothing to do everyday but post crap on slashdot. After all when you know smoking is not good for you, you don't do it.
What? Is is 'free donuts in the break room' day?
If I had the mod priveledges, this would be +5 INTELLIGENT!
The books are firmly in the space opera genre with a dash of Heinlein libertarianism tossed in for good measure.
No. I can tell, because I detest Heinlein's works, and I liked the Golden Age.
In fact, if you consider the supercomputers' control over what they'd allow the populace to do, it was very far from libertarianism. And not coincidentally, a place that far from libertarianism is actually a nice place to live.
Sensefilters sounds suspiciously similar to what Prof. Steve Mann in MIT has been proposing. See http://wearcam.org/
There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those that know binary, and those that don't.
"Abilities" at the scale of nations would have to include things like geography, natural resources, and so on. Why not?
Well...maybe 'not' because the vast majority of first-world nations have a geography that is excellent suited for agriculture, and have huge natural resources (more so then most european countries, anyway).
Goh...must be somethings else after all...
The parent poster is completely right: the inequalities that exist between incomes is not dependend on the difference of abilities of people, unless you deem one race is gifted with more abilities then another. Nor can it be explained by differences in location of the countries, because those countries are spread in vastle different locations, some of which have even more resources then 'developed' countries.
No, if we would be honest with ourselves, it would be rather clear what made the diference: our exploitation of those less powerfull nations.
But..good try.
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=my ideas be more important than urs=
There are links to more reviews of this book here.
Isaac Asimov made a book called "Nemesis" about earth's impending doom because of a star (red dwarf) that is on a collision course with it, and only a few ppl know about it and leave the solar system.
Its 1 book, you dont need to know anything prior to read it. Its very very good. Anyone else read it?
OK, this is a little shameless self-promotion, but John Wright's series is among the "also bought" books on amazon.com for my novel STAR DRAGON. I confess I haven't read his serious, although it looks interesting. Has anyone read them and also my novel (also from Tor, Oct 2003) and can compare them? Any similarities in theme, style, substance, etc? I expect I'll get to them, but between my faculty job and my work on the next novel my reading time is limited. Thanks!
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