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Matrix-Style Brain Interface Closer To Reality

atkulp writes "According to this Wired article, a private company, Cyberkinetics is seeking permission from the FDA to test a product called BrainGate that implants in the brain and can control actions on a computer. So far it works for monkeys and they'd like to see it as viable for quadriplegics and others in need. How soon until anyone can become the ultimate expansion card? Sign me up!"

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  1. screw the matrix by proj_2501 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can get a remote-controlled monkey?!

    1. Re:screw the matrix by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine a beawulf cluster of US.

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    2. Re:screw the matrix by nih · · Score: 5, Funny
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    3. Re:screw the matrix by Codeboi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Flash! PETA activist beaten to death by R/C Monkey. News at 11!

    4. Re:screw the matrix by carlos_benj · · Score: 3, Funny

      What would you do with a robot on your lap? Never mind. I don't think I'd want to know....

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  2. Yes, but .. by Autonomous+Cowherder · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. will I be able to run Linux?

    1. Re:Yes, but .. by diersing · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, Linux RUNS you!!, or something

    2. Re:Yes, but .. by NeoThermic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or a direct link to your brain got posted on slashdot...

      NeoThermic

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  3. Not exactly the Matrix by Orion442 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This would enable handicap people to control machines, not vice-versa. It would be killer for fighter pilots though...

    1. Re:Not exactly the Matrix by Lane.exe · · Score: 5, Funny
      It would be killer for fighter pilots though

      I thought so too, until I realised that the human brain has a tendency to wander. Sure, in the middle of aerial combat they'd be focused, but can you imagine what would happen in the case that some pilot is cruising along and thinks of his girlfriend back home? Yeah that's right... a very sharp climb into a stall.

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    2. Re:Not exactly the Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, I think the plane would dump all of it's fuel. ;)

  4. Nice, they've got Matlab routines... by tcopeland · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...for processing the data from the microelectrode arrays.

    Yes, the above link goes to another web site called "bionictech.com", but the two companies merged in 2002.

    1. Re:Nice, they've got Matlab routines... by blakestah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep. John Donoghue (of Brown) has been working on this stuff for a few years, and his former postdoc, implant engineer Nikos Hatsopoulos is another key person at Cyberkinetics. But this is really Donoghue's baby.

      They've adopted the Richard Normann's (of Bionic Tech) implants (the Utah grid), and they are working fairly well for time periods up to a year. You can expect them to be the first to do human studies, and for quite a lot to be learned about the brain in the process, as well as dramatic improvements in the lives of their test patients.

      I'm quite excited to see how it goes for them, and hope for the best.

  5. Wow... by Undaar · · Score: 4, Funny

    So far it works for monkeys...

    Can they use it to teach the monkeys to program?
    That would make them the ultimate code monkeys!
    *ducks*

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    1. Re:Wow... by worst_name_ever · · Score: 3, Funny
      That would make them the ultimate code monkeys!

      One time I hired a code monkey to write code for me at work. I would just sit there with my mind a complete blank while the monkey typed on a little keyboard. At the end of the project my boss said "Team, I want you to give a presentation on your code." So I made some PowerPoint slides that said "Hello, my name is Bingo. I like to climb on things. Can I have a banana? Eek eek." I got fired and my job was transferred to India. When I told my wife about it she said, "I told you, never trust a monkey!" The end.

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  6. Ugh... by ManicGiraffe · · Score: 5, Funny

    So....imagine a Beowulf cluster of *me*!

    [rimshot...]

  7. sign me up by rogabean · · Score: 3, Interesting

    sign me up as well! i have wondered though when they seriously would start implementing computer based implants in our brains. it actually seems quite logical as a "next step" sorta thing. i remember when me and friends used to joke that one day we'd be able to add extra memory (RAM) to our brains. watch this have DRM on it! (lol)

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    1. Re:sign me up by JediDan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately believable... The company pays for a brain upgrade that's enabled/disabled at the door and it makes for a more efficient and capable worker. Wrong or right?

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  8. No M$ for mine... by BitWarrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm game as long as it's not controlled by Windows. I can see it now, it's the ultimate experience in VR except for the minor annoyance of crashing and killing the connected users after a few days.

  9. Not like The Matrix at all by Soul+Brother+#1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This really isn't Matrix-like at all, though. The implant doesn't feed information to your brain, it only gets information from it. Still, it's VERY cool if it works and is safe. I like the idea they mention of also putting implants into paralyzed limbs to allow the brain implant to move them. Eat it, paralyzation!

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    1. Re:Not like The Matrix at all by SpyPlane · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it can get information from my brain, can I finally prove to my wife that I have no f-ing clue what she is talking about most of the time, or that I REALLY don't care where we go eat friday!

      Let me know.

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  10. Re:Hackers... by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's not the backup that causes the problem, it's the restore.

  11. Regretting... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    How soon until anyone can become the ultimate expansion card? Sign me up!"

    Damned ISA interface! I was told when it was welded on that it was all I would need. That and 640K!

  12. I want my math coprocessor by ITR81 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Doesn't everyone need this??

    Don't forget ram doubler. I would love to store memories.

  13. We are the Borg by NetDanzr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So let's see. First, we connect our brains to the computer. Then we create Internet 3, by directly linking our brains. Then a new anti-terrorism bill outlaws firewalls, and our brains will be wide open to each other. Can anybody say "collective consciousness"?

    1. Re:We are the Borg by geeber · · Score: 4, Funny

      I feel a song coming on....

      We are the Borg,
      We are the children
      We are the ones who assimilate
      So quit resistin'

      It's a choice we're makin,
      Connecting our own brains,
      But it's true we'll make a bigger hive
      Just you and me!

  14. Re:Gateway to wetware? by Soul+Brother+#1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wonder if this would work backwards? Is this the gateway to using the human brain as a computer? (After all, we only use a portion of it...)

    No, we don't.

    http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

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  15. I'll pass by Z4rd0Z · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who are eager for this sort of thing puzzle me. Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I'd like to stay as far away from this as possible. I don't say this to be a luddite, but there are definite limits to where I would personally go with technology.

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    1. Re:I'll pass by nodwick · · Score: 4, Informative
      People who are eager for this sort of thing puzzle me. Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I'd like to stay as far away from this as possible. I don't say this to be a luddite, but there are definite limits to where I would personally go with technology.
      I think you're mistaking the application for this. Dozens of Slashdot posts about the Matrix notwithstanding, this isn't an elective surgery targeted towards geeks who want to get one step closer to their machines. The company line is that it's aimed primarily at quadriplegics who have a choice of either continuing to be unable to interact with their environment or having a shot at gaining some more function.

      In spirit, it's similar to prosthetic devices that people have already been developing that operate using nerve impulses, such as prosthetic legs with knees that "bend" via sensors which pick up nerve impulses in the quadriceps. It's just that with people who are more severely disabled, you're going to have to move closer to the brain to pick up live nerve impulses. It'll probably be a long time (if ever) before this moves into being an elective procedure for entertainment purposes; the Matrix-speak from the Wired article seems to be just typical media sensationalization to give the story a little more juice.

    2. Re:I'll pass by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...this isn't an elective surgery targeted towards geeks who want to get one step closer to their machines.
      It'll probably be a long time (if ever) before this moves into being an elective procedure for entertainment purposes;


      Just like plastic surgery was only used for birth defects and accident reconstruction
      Just like stomach stapling was only to be used on the morbidly obese
      Just like Viagara was only to be used for serious erectile problems

      Given a procedure, there will be some who want it (and very early on) simply because it's 'cool'. And there will be doctors who will supply it for the right sum.

    3. Re:I'll pass by dr_canak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I work with spinal cord injured individuals. One patient in particular is a "locked-in" quadraplegic. What this means is that, in addition to not being able to move anything from his neck down (he is on a ventilator), he cannot speak. Because of a surgery complication, he bled into his lower brainstem, preventing any sort of muscular control of his mouth. It has also left him with a significant astigmatism and eye spasms preventing him from looking in one direction or controlling his eye gaze for any length of time (even short lengths of time like a few secs).

      So in addition to being completely paralyzed, he can't speak and can't use any eye gaze adaptive devices. He can't use his mouth for tongue depressed switches, and because of facial muscle spasms, even EMG biofeedback has been ruled-out. He is a very rare patient (condition wise) but this is the kind of technology that would really be appropriate/needed for a patient with his level of disability. So gloom and doom matrix/personal privacy issues aside, these kinds of technology can be of paramount importance to paralyzed individuals.

      And for those wondering, he communicates using an upward eye gaze and memorized letterboard.

      1 a b c d e
      2 f g h i j
      3 k l m n o
      4 p q r s t
      5 u v w x y z

      You basically go, "line 1, line 2, line 3,..." etc until he looks up (for "yes"). You then move across the correct row until he looks up to designate the letter. In this way, he can spell his way through communication. I once joked with him its like Wheel of Fortune meets Jeopardy on steroids. Cumbersome, but its the only way, and you can get surprisingly good at it with practice.

      jeff

  16. I'd love one. by nate1138 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My biggest complaint about computing is that my brain->computer interface (hands to keyboard that is) is VERY low bandwidth and VERY high latency. And I know I can't be the only one that has this problem. Anybody that codes knows what I mean, you can visualize and solve the problem in your head much faster than you can get that solution into the computer.

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  17. Re:Quake? Warcraft? by DanThe1Man · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, if you want realistic fighting with the chance of possible brain damage, just join the army.

  18. Doubt it.. by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Funny

    I doubt you meet the system requirements ;) you need at least a 386...

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  19. Encryption by xSquaredAdmin · · Score: 3, Funny
    How do they come up with the encryption keys?

    "Alright, now think of any number between 0 and 18446744073709551615."

    OR, if you're using 128-bit encryption:

    "...between 0 and 3.4028236692093846346337460743177x10^38"

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  20. Another article on the same topic at PopSci by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 3, Informative

    This was the cover story of the Popular Science that I just received in the mail. You can read the article here.

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  21. Re:One Question... by FesterDaFelcher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We dont have to fully understand the brain in order for this to work. It's a hack, trial and error. When something works, stick with it, if it doesnt work, try something else. We dont fully understand nuclear physics, but reactors work pretty well.

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  22. Re:Gateway to wetware? by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "After all, we only use a portion of it..."

    No, we only know what a portion of it is used for. There's a diference.

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  23. Just Remember.... by hardgeus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just remember our experiences from the computer world...

    NEVER use BrainJack v1.0

    Always wait for the point release!

  24. Re:qu4k3??? w4r cr4f7???/ by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would imagine that there would probably be separate arenas/competitions for physical-interface games and (not sure what the word is) neural-interface games. Just because, like the top-level poster said, it would generate an unfair advantage.

    Frankly, I'd prefer to see neural-interface match-ups because then the games become less of a matter of how well you can properly wield a mouse, but it relies more on strategy. Presumably, all the characters would have the same "physical" (in the game) abilities, so it would be up to the players' strategies and luck to determine who would win.

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  25. Wow. by adun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gives the phrase Blue Screen of Death a whole new lease on terror, doesn't it?

  26. imagine the possibilities here: by draco+ni · · Score: 3, Insightful
    On the one hand, we have the very very scary.


    The company's system, called BrainGate, could help patients with no mobility to control a computer, a robot or eventually their own rewired muscles

    ...


    Surgenor said the whole system eventually will be wireless.


    Stray EMI could give you a tic. Someone malicious could actually block/redirect/subvert control of your own body, remotely.


    On the other hand... telerobotics, maybe? Use your brain to control a robot doing a dangerous job somewhere! Going into a hazardous environment from the safety of your control lab...
    Or maybe even a totally virtual environment.

  27. Comparable to Voicemail recognition. by elrick_the_brave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I laud the effort, it will be a long time before this becomes a proper human interface. Take computer voice recognition... it's still in it's infancy despite years of 'progress'. The issues at hand:
    i) How long it takes the computer to learn how to interpret the signals and what they relate to(its training).
    ii) The training involved for the human to keep a 'steady mind'. How does the system bypass clutter?

    If those two issues are resolved or mitigated, this is a cool prospect.

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