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Super DMCA Bill In Tennessee

fowlerserpent writes "Middle Tennessee State University's student newspaper Sidelines reports the Super DMCA bill is the hot topic in the state legislature. After a fierce debate the bill has been amended to take the edge off. The Tennessee Digital Freedom Network caught the telecom lobby in the state offguard last year when they put up fierce opposition to the legislation. The original bill would have even made firewall illegal in your home or to be sold in the state, so some of the opponents say."

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  1. Let me guess by Kethinov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Making firewalls illegal so people are more easily identified doing "bad things" eh? Sounds like the RIAA is having trouble nailing some of us.

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    1. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else would you expect, this is from the fine state that brought to you Al Gore, inventor of the internet! ;D

    2. Re:Let me guess by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      They have no actual objection to firewalls. It would just potentially make it illegal. The point is that the law should not implicitely include devices that are not harmful.

      The example is to just show that the language is unclear because it disallows items that nobody could possibly disapprove of.

    3. Re:Let me guess by Digi+Dude+Takato · · Score: 1

      From what I know, firewalls keep people out. Making them illegal is like making dead bolts illegal. That would be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard of. All though it is government work, so it I wouldn't put it past them.

      My friend Pappie, tells me all the time, "Would you like it if some one walked in your house and started messing with you stuff? It's the same with you computer."

      In all reality its true. How you like it if Microsoft came in and started messing with stuff, or how about the government. They wouldn't like it very much if we just walked in their office and sterted playing with stuff. Like, the Governor, go in and start looking around on his computer and see what web sites he has been on. That should be funny and pretty entertaining.

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  2. Is this the one? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this the one with the exploding headphones that can get detonated if you listen to unauthorized music files?

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  3. Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here's the article text, so you don't have to register.

    Joint committee passes revamped telecommunications theft bill

    By Patrick Chinnery

    Published: Wednesday, January 28, 2004

    After almost a year of contentious debate, Tennessee's telecommunications theft bill moved one step closer to becoming law Monday.

    A joint committee created specifically to address the conflict created by the bill unanimously passed a significantly revamped version of House Bill 457/Senate Bill 213, one that has both proponents and opponents of the original bill unsatisfied.

    However, Sen. Larry Trail (D-Murfreesboro), said in the meeting that that was exactly the reaction he wanted.

    "It was our consensus, because we were ... unable to pull the two sides any closer together, we asked Mr. [Tom] Tigue [legislative attorney] to draft a bill that might be equally unacceptable to both sides," Trail said. "He came up with a bill that sent a lot of people crying to my office, so he must have done a pretty good job."

    Lawmakers are trying to address theft of digital cable services (including television and high-speed Internet access) and Pay-Per-View movies. Items and actions that the legislature are trying to ban include digital cable descramblers, theft of Internet access through wireless "hotspots," and some encryption devices.

    Though they could have been construed as illegal in the original draft, devices such as routers (Internet service splitters to be used inside a home or office) and firewalls (software designed to prevent unauthorized access into a computer) would be acceptable with the new legislation.

    The cable industry claims that current telecommunications theft law provides too weak of a deterrent.

    "We've had a problem in getting judgements, getting the courts to award sufficient damages when we find people that are stealing cable," said John Ferris, an attorney hired by cable companies.

    The Monday's amended bill includes revised criminal and civil penalties.

    After Monday's amendment was added, a first offense of less than $1,000 of theft would be punished by fine only, although an offense involving five or more communications devices would automatically be construed as a class D felony.

    Damages an aggrieved party could pursue in a civil case include the actual damages suffered and any profits made by the violator or statutory damages between $750 and $5,000 for each offense, with judicial discretion to reduce the minimum or exceed the maximum. The original bill prescribed penalties ranging from $1,500 to $10,000 per offense, per day.

    A key point of contention during the debate over the bill has been the phrase "intent to defraud." The original bill submitted in April by Rep. Rob Briley (D-Nashville) and Sen. Curtis Person (R-Shelby Co.) was model legislation drafted by the Motion Picture Association of America and didn't contain the phrase.

    The amended version makes it clear that merely possessing the unlawful device isn't enough to constitute a violation of the law - a person must use "deceit, trickery, misrepresentation or subterfuge" with a device.

    Several notable groups are behind the bill, notably the Tennessee Cable Telecommunications Association (a lobbying effort of cable companies like Comcast and TimeWarner Cable) and the Motion Picture Association of America. When introduced, those groups claimed it was an innocuous housecleaning bill, meant only to update current legislation to encompass new technologies.

    However, opponents of the original bill thought it went much too far.

    "House Bill 457 was promoted as addressing theft of cable and Internet service, but this overly broad legislation instead threatens the manufacture, sale and use of legitimate products such as computers, televisions and personal video recorders," Douglas K. Johnson, senior director for technology policy of the Consumer Electronics Association (the l

    1. Re:Article text by Alsee · · Score: 1

      those groups claimed it was an innocuous housecleaning bill, meant only to update current legislation to encompass new technologies

      Anyone who tries to claim a bill doesn't change the law is lying. It's probably the number one red flag that someone is trying to pass bad law.

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  4. So would that make NAT illegal ? by HughsOnFirst · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That would be interesting.
    Tennessee could push the adoption of IPv6

  5. Lol by BoomerSooner · · Score: 2, Informative

    Federal HIPAA laws require firewalling of resident level data (ie, nursing home).

    Everyday I lose more confidence in our ability to govern ourselves. limit -> 0

  6. "crying about it" by zeugma-amp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's what one of the legislooters had to say about it: "He came up with a bill that sent a lot of people crying to my office, so he must have done a pretty good job."

    The thought never occurs to him that the reason a bunch of people are 'crying' about it is because it's yet another lame attempt at legislation drafted by a bunch of government goons who are completely clueless about technology.

    The bright side of any legislation like this, is it really helps to grease the funds coming into the campaign coffers. That's why certain regulatory legislation comes up before congress every couple of years, so the lobbies of one side, the other, or both(!) can 'contribute' to make sure the legislootion never sees the light of day.

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  7. Telecoms are full of it by Reivec · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in TN and what makes this so much worse is now on TV I see commercials about how telecoms are trying to change laws to "bring us into the future". And they make it sound like they are looking out for us and trying to bring us new technology and crap.

    The commercials of course don't say anything ABOUT the laws, they just say stuff like, "When the current laws were made, PDA stood for.. well public display of affection. But now PDAs are everywhere. We need to change the laws accordingly so we can bring you the future, today." So apparently, I don't like their definition of accordingly.

    1. Re:Telecoms are full of it by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

      I live in TN and what makes this so much worse is now on TV I see commercials about how telecoms are trying to change laws to "bring us into the future".

      Maybe it was a misquote--perhaps the quote should have been that telecoms are "bring us into OUR future," i.e. bringing us (the users) into the telecom's version of the future.

      That would make more sense to me

      (slightly cynical this evening)

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    2. Re:Telecoms are full of it by wathead · · Score: 1

      Yea I live in Southern KY about 50 miles from Nashville. I have been seeing those ads on TV. The town I live in some guy wants to create a WiFi hot spot for free public wireless internet access in the downtown area. The Transpark Madam Mayor says that the plans look incomplete blah blah blah and blew the guy off. Said that any type of internet access would have to be handled by municiple utilties $$$$$$$$$$ . They dont want anyone to have anything for free. Even if an ISP donates the bandwidth and this guy sets up the repeaters etc..
      But if one of her cronnies at the proposed transpark wants free wireless they will get it.
      Politicians make me sick. They are either too stupid or corrupt to get anything worthwhile done.

    3. Re:Telecoms are full of it by spikev · · Score: 1

      We have the same kind of commercials in MS, and probably over the whole dominion of BellSouth. Their commercials don't make any sense, so its obvoious that they're just doing it for the PR and trying to influence the weak minds of politicians.

      Maybe VoIP will finally bring the telcom monopolies down.

    4. Re:Telecoms are full of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bring you into the future of paying $45 for every device that connects to your network. Fuck them! I pay broadband rates so I can connect every goddamn thing with an ethernet port to the internet. If I only wanted one computer online, I'd give $19 a month to the goddamn scientologists (earthlink).

  8. Why isn't this article on the main page? by Reivec · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why isn't this article showing up on the main page? It is apparently over 3 hours old by the time I am typing this yet it would appear as if only subscribed users are seeing it (based on who is commenting). I only saw it because I was looking at another YRO article and this one was listed on the right side in that little block that has recent YRO articles. I know subscribers see it first, but isn't that only 20 mins earlier? Even if it is, I do not pay and I still saw it, just not on the main page, so that would be a hole in the system there ;)

    1. Re:Why isn't this article on the main page? by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Ehhh, ok, it works like this:

      Slashdot is a large site, and it has many categories. Sometimes stories from a given category aren't seen as terribly interesting, so they don't make it to the front page (they're not front page news). These stories you'd only see if you were browsing the individual categories.

      I personally hate this behavior, so I have that little checkbox turned on in my prefs, you know, the one that says something along the lines of "dump all stories onto the front page". I always laugh at the people who wonder why a given story wasn't on the front page, because the link I clicked to come here was from the front page, just like all the other stories... ;)

    2. Re:Why isn't this article on the main page? by Pembers · · Score: 1

      ... "dump all stories onto the front page".

      I'll have to remember that. Thanks. The way I get a list of all stories is to press the "Search" button at the bottom of the front page, but leave the text box blank. This produces a list of all stories in reverse chronological order. This has a couple of (small) advantages: I can see all the sections and topics that a story has been posted in, and, based on the number of comments, I can make a guess as to whether it really is on the front page. A big disadvantage, of course, is that the story text is cut off after about 100 characters, but that text, plus the headline, is usually enough to let me decide whether I want to read it.

  9. No! Not my router... *sob* by Klatoo55 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do they have any idea what such restictive nastiness does to legitimate businesses? They had to amend that bill so that they wouldn't suffer severe economic damage as companies were forced to connect every computer individually to the internet, and throw their arms open for the now firewall-uninhibited hackers in states OTHER than Tenn. How do they get elected?

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  10. Corporations changing rules into laws by putaro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A truly dangerous trend is that large corporations are using their lobbying power to get their rules turned into laws.


    When a corporation makes a draconian and/or stupid rule, there are usually pretty finite limits to the penalties they can impose. If a cable company wants to make a rule that NAT is not allowed on their network, the maximum penalty they can usually impose is the loss of service. Also, their draconian rule becomes a competitive disadvantage for them, especially as people become more educated. Corporate rules can also be changed easily if they realize the rectal-cranial inversion.


    Making this rule into a law, however, expands the penalties drastically, removes the competitive disadvantage and leaves something lying around in the law books that is almost impossible to get rid of. This is a trend that really needs to be noticed and stopped.

  11. Re:No! Not my router... *sob* by skaffen42 · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can have my firewall when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

    Oops, ignore that. Wrong political debate. :)

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  12. Theft of cable? by scenturion · · Score: 2, Funny
    "House Bill 457 was promoted as addressing theft of cable..."

    Wait! So you mean it's illegal to steal cable in Tennessee? Thank god I don't live there! :)

    1. Re:Theft of cable? by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Thank the gods we can still drink and drive legally!
      I would be considering moving again, otherwise...

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  13. TalibaN by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Troll

    These medieval biblebelters should just get on with their agenda, and cut off hands for telecom "theft". As they auction our rights between Jihad and McWorld, we're left with nothing but DMCA taxes to fund Oak Ridge National Labs. But then, when I realize that these soulless politicos think that Nashville is the pinnacle of music culture, I feel sorry for them and their kids. Then I feel their icy hands clutching at my rights, and I remember that the Ku Klux Klan was born in Pulaski, Tennessee.

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  14. Make everything illegal. by from_downunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it's too much trouble to provide a clear list of rights and responsibilities, then the answer is easy. Make everything illegal. Selectively prosecute those at a) are breaking the law, or b) give you too much of a headache. Recommended reading http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html - Richard Stallman

  15. DMCA? by CelticWhisper · · Score: 1

    IANAL, but it seems to me like this really has more to do with stealing bandwidth than copyright-related issues. Yeah, I guess I'm being mindlessly pedantic, but at least trying to stop bandwidth theft is a little more justifiable than what the DMCA aims to do. It's not quite as innovation-stifling or draconian, though I still am left with an uneasy feeling about it.

    Oh, and I do believe I read that firewalls and NAT boxes --WOULD-- now be allowed under the rewritten bill. Doesn't matter though, uneasy feeling's still there. I'm kinda glad I don't live in Tennessee right now...

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    1. Re:DMCA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry for the stupid question, but what is IANAL?

    2. Re:DMCA? by parksie · · Score: 1

      I may be confused about how Cable internet operates, but surely you get a maximum amount of bandwidth you can use, and if you connected 10 devices via NAT to that connection, you'd still only manage to get up to that limit, and no further?

  16. What is wrong with these guys? by tiger99 · · Score: 1
    Are they mentally subnormal, or what? Why can't you run a firewall, which you control, for your own protection? These guys are clearly unfit to run anything, far less a state legislature.

    They even make Tony B. Liar look good....

  17. Why don't they charge for what they sell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody tell me why ISPs cant do this:
    $X / month for the 1st Y bytes transfered, then $Y / byte after that.
    Or,
    $X / month for the first Y bytes transferred, then unlimited transfers at a much reduced bandwidth

  18. The wording by plurrbat · · Score: 1
    From the text:

    After Monday's amendment was added, a first offense of less than $1,000 of theft would be punished by fine only, although an offense involving five or more communications devices would automatically be construed as a class D felony.

    I don't like the wording there. Five or more communications devices? Where would the boundary of responsibility for the accused end in that? If someone downloads a song through their cable modem, which uses their (apparently not illegal in the revision) router and switch, would they count the server used to get the file, and the user's computer? There's the magic five. Would it stop at the source? Somewhere inside the ISP? Only local equipment? Seems to me they could easily construct a way to turn any of it into a felony using that rule. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding this?

  19. Attention Memphians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you know of any 18* year old girls in Memphis who are cute, not fat, and like geeks, please reply in this thread.

    *The girls can be under 18 if their parents are down with the geek movement!