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Creator Of Solitaire For Windows Interviewed

Thanks to B3ta for its interview with Wes Cherry, creator of Solitaire for Windows, as installed on "hundreds of millions of machines worldwide." Cherry discusses an 'Easter egg' left out of the final version ("There was a 'boss-key' which when pressed would display some random .C code. Microsoft made me remove that"), the all-important card back designs ("My fave is the dealer with the Ace crawling up and down his sleeve, which is a reference to a Grateful Dead song, 'Doin' that Rag'"), and bizarre benchmarking concepts using Solitaire ("At one point, a computer magazine proposed a SolMark computer speed test: The faster the cascade, the faster your computer.")

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  1. SolMark by ThetaPi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder what my old 486 would make on that test. I think I could have played a game of 52 card pickup (perhaps several) before the cascade finished.

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    1. Re:SolMark by Apreche · · Score: 1

      No way man. My friends had some 386s, but I had me a 486 DX4 100mhz, it kicked. The ultimate DOS game machine it was with its 8MB of RAM, soon upgraded to 16MB. When I played solitaire the cards flew off the screen way fast after I beat it. Of course now on my Athlon XP2500+ I don't even get to see it happen it's so fast, but that's not the point. The 486 is fast, fear.

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    2. Re:SolMark by ThetaPi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps, but my 486 was a bit less powerful than yours. It was 25mhz strong and had 2MB of ram.

      My favorite game at the time (XCOM: UFO Defense) ran decently though. I still wonder if it is possible for soldier to be 130% accurate with a rocket launcher.

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    3. Re:SolMark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      130% accurate? Does that mean he hits 1 and 1/3 sectoids per shot? If so which third would that be?

  2. Solitaire, the real killer-app by Zangief · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I guess that Solitaire for Windows is the only game that outsells Nintendo' Super Mario Bros. 3!

    It is so unfair! SMB3 is a MUCH better game!

    1. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by Dreadlord · · Score: 1

      Damn you MikeRowSoft, yet another monopoly, on computer games this time, if Solitaire wasn't installed by default with Windoze, people would have looked for alternatives :)

      Are you happy now? :)

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    2. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, SMB3 is only the best-selling game never bundled with hardware, so, technically, Solitaire doesn't count unless you also count SMB1, which sold over twice as many copies (40 million) as SMB3 (18 million), and Tetris for GameBoy, which sold just under twice as many copies (33 million) as SMB3. Still, Nintendo has the top 6 and 5 of them are Super Mario titles, and #8 is SMB2 (The Sims snuck in there at #7).

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    3. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by Zangief · · Score: 1

      I can perfectly remember a NES/SMB3 bundle. I guess that if you count SMB1, Solitaire should be the absolute winner.

      I don't know where did you get this numbers, but most people agree that either SMB1 or SMB3 is the top seller in history. Who has a link to some reliable source, in which total sales are showed.

    4. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The numbers come from http://www.ownt.com/qtakes/2003/gamestats/gamestat s.shtm

      which may or may not be reliable, as they claim they're from gamestate, but I can't confirm that. Finding sources for game sales, especially to compare over these time periods, tends to be fairly hard. It's also quite possible that those sales are only North America. Overall, though, SMB3 only comes out as the top seller if you don't count games that were bundled, and a quick search brought up another site that references this:
      http://www.madison.com/captimes/business/st ories/6 0159.php
      which also confirms the numbers being fairly accurate, especially mentioning SMB1 and Tetris.

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    5. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by FePe · · Score: 1
      It says something about the importance of giving the end-users ready and easy-to-use software and games. The majority of users don't want to spend time downloading any new games and learning them as well.

      Applications like Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player that already comes with Windows versions are also very popular, though they may not be among the best in their category.

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    6. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      IIRC SMB3 wasn't bundled with the NES until the SNES had arrived or soon before, maybe not even until they switched to the snes style cart slot. Lots of people shelled out $50 for SMB3 at retail, whereas SMB1/GB tetris/Solitare is/was bundled.

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    7. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by edwdig · · Score: 1

      I think SMB3 got bundled later on, but the vast majority of its sales were standalone. Most NES systems sold came with SMB1, and there were relatively few standalone copies of the game sold.

    8. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      I bought smb1 standalone and I'm sure plenty of other people did. When I bought a nintendo the packin was ROB the robot and Gyromite. Rob sits on the shelf in my office today.

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    9. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      SMB3 was bundled with hardware! When I got my NES (circa 1991), it came with SMB3 and SMB All Stars.

    10. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 1

      SMB3 was bundled with hardware! When I got my NES (circa 1991), it came with SMB3 and SMB All Stars.

      SMB All Stars wasn't even on the NES. Even if SMB All Stars was bundled with the SNES, the SMB3 sales do not include sales of SMB All Stars (any more than the SMB1 or SMB2 sales do). Super Mario World was the game originally bundled with the SNES iirc.

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    11. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      You're right. I just looked at my boxes and All Stars was with my SNES and SMB3 was with my NES. Both were bundled, though.

    12. Re:Solitaire, the real killer-app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SMB3 was bundled with the NES in europe

  3. come on guys! by BigBadDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    this is one of the most useful windows applications, not to mention one of the most stable ones!

    the guy deserves more attention than this!

    cheers for Wes!

    1. Re:come on guys! by rogabean · · Score: 1

      its the only stable!

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  4. you can't win twice in a row by Dreadlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and this interview puts an end to the legend that says you can't win twice in a row when playing Solitaire, those who say so just suck in the game.

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  5. The boss key would have been redundant by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    ("There was a 'boss-key' which when pressed would display some random .C code. Microsoft made me remove that")

    In Windows, due to the presence of frequent and random occurances of blue screens with crpytic messages, having a boss key is redundant.

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    1. Re:The boss key would have been redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and having .C code displayed on a windows monitor would seem rather suspicious

    2. Re:The boss key would have been redundant by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 1

      Oh wow, I get it. Blue Screens. Windows.

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    3. Re:The boss key would have been redundant by neglige · · Score: 1

      Especially if you are an accountant and not a coder :)

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    4. Re:The boss key would have been redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes-it-was-a-very-funny-joke-ha...ha...ha.

    5. Re:The boss key would have been redundant by August_zero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know....

      Consider how old windows solitaire is, and then consider how computer literate the average boss was back when this game was coded. I was still in high school back them, but to my parents and many other adults computers were these magical mysterious things only barely understood at the best of times. If I told them that I had just hacked into the Russian military mainframe they would have believed me. Telling your boss that you were tweaking some windows settings or even better fixing all those crash bugs the company had been facing would likely get you a promotion, or something.

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    6. Re:The boss key would have been redundant by neglige · · Score: 1

      fixing all those crash bugs

      Indeed, wouldn't it be fun if the boss key showed random samples of the real Windows code? *g* Talk about "Open Source" here...

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  6. Easter egg by PatrickThomson · · Score: 2, Funny

    The article has the question "Is it true that there is an 'Easter egg' embedded in Solitaire that pops up a picture of Bill Gates caught in flagrante delicto with a marine mammal?" answered yes.
    What I want to know is, what is this easter egg? It's for... uuh... personal reasons.

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    1. Re:Easter egg by erasmus_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given his tone during the rest of the interview, and the fact that such an Easter egg would have been found and removed a long time ago, after the employee that made it was fired, I am relatively sure he was joking. Just to be sure, a quick Google search turned up nothing.

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    2. Re:Easter egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH COME ON! the second troll mod for a non-troll in two days?

  7. Hours spent working by JustJon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just imagine how many thousands of hours the workforce might have had to spend actually working if it wasn't for Wes

  8. Stable? by RealityMogul · · Score: 4, Funny

    Got a copy of Windows 2000 (maybe other versions do this too)?

    Run Solitaire and click both mouse buttons simultaneously on a card for a few seconds as fast as you can.

    1. Re:Stable? by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 1

      Heh, nice.

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    2. Re:Stable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Run Solitaire and click both mouse buttons simultaneously on a card for a few seconds as fast as you can.

      And...? I just tried it, nothing happened except the little number next to "Time:" kept increasing!

    3. Re:Stable? by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      You can't be doing it right. If you get it right, the program crashes.

    4. Re:Stable? by BigBadDude · · Score: 1


      nop, not working here

      ehhh...did you meant the Solitaire to crash or the mouse buttons??

    5. Re:Stable? by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Set solitare in 2000 to three card mode then hold down CTRL+ALT+SHIFT when you click on the deck.

    6. Re:Stable? by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Doh I should RTFA before commenting :) he mentions that.

  9. Best Solitare Score? by Ianoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    What sort of scores do people get on Solitaire when running in timed game mode with standard scoring? About five years ago (during one of my Linux holidays before I saw sense again and switched back to Redhat!) I was running Windows 98 and used to play Sol a lot, and got pretty fast. However I have no idea how fast I was compared to other people, because I couldn't find people posting their scores anywhere on the Internet at the time...

    My best score ever was just over 11000, and I could generally get between 6000 and 10000 if I really concentrated.

    1. Re:Best Solitare Score? by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Last I checked a few years ago, there were online solitaire and freecell tournaments.

      Maybe you could look one of those up.

      The reason I looked is because my mom beat all 32000 or whatever the number was, of the freecell games in the Win 3.1 version of freecell. Except for one. One of the freecell deals is mathematically impossible to beat.

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    2. Re:Best Solitare Score? by GTRacer · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you're interested, here's a good FreeCell FAQ.

      The unwinnable game you're looking for is 11982, I believe.

      GTRacer
      - Free FreeCell now, stupid Admin policies!

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    3. Re:Best Solitare Score? by Nos. · · Score: 1

      You can always try game -1 (that's negative one).

    4. Re:Best Solitare Score? by Ianoo · · Score: 1

      32000? You realise that playing 10 games a day it would take you nearly 9 years to complete all 32000 games?!

    5. Re:Best Solitare Score? by Brewst3r · · Score: 1

      56 seconds, which was good for 13155

    6. Re:Best Solitare Score? by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      She played about 2-3 hours on average (some more, some less) per day, for about 4 years.

      After a while, she was up to the point of winning a game every 2-10 minutes, depending on difficulty.

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    7. Re:Best Solitare Score? by xkmonkey · · Score: 1

      Didn't have an internet connection or cable for a couple of weeks last summer after moving into a new place. Spent lots of time with Solitaire. My best was 50 seconds with a score of 14660.

    8. Re:Best Solitare Score? by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1

      There's also -2. But I've had both -1 and -2 crash the game, as well.

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  10. Much like the game... by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 1

    I found that interview a complete waste of time.

  11. SolMark as a benchmark by KE1LR · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "At one point, a computer magazine proposed a SolMark computer speed test: The faster the cascade, the faster your computer."

    I remember when Microsoft was doing the run-up to release of NT4 (the upgrade from 3.51) way back in, umm, 1995 or 1996. One of their arguments for moving video drivers into the kernel space was that it gave much better performance (which is true).

    To demonstrate this, a MS rep at a conference I was attending showed how to trigger the card cascade on demand in Solitaire and showed it on an NT 3.51 machine and a similar-hardware NT4 machine - the NT4 machine spewed cards a LOT faster.

    Unfortunately I don't remember the key combo that triggered the card spew.

    1. Re:SolMark as a benchmark by beta21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      On an NT machine it is alt-shift-2

    2. Re:SolMark as a benchmark by ps_inkling · · Score: 1
      Thank you!

      The next time I'm playing Sol and get stuck, I can just press Alt-Shift-2 and pretend I won.

      Better yet, just open Sol, press Alt-Shift-2, watch cards fly, and then close Sol. Imagine the thousands of labor hours I'll save!

  12. MCSE by QEDog · · Score: 1

    The first true MCSE! Microsoft Certified Solitare Engineer!

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  13. to be a solitaire winner! by silicon1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    on a winnt based machine, press: alt + shift + 2 to be a winnar!!!!111

    1. Re:to be a solitaire winner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U'r a dumass... that rebots teh machine.....

    2. Re:to be a solitaire winner! by silicon1 · · Score: 1

      I'll reboot you!

    3. Re:to be a solitaire winner! by TaraByte · · Score: 1

      works on XP also

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  14. Another SolMark reply by Randolpho · · Score: 3, Informative

    Only this one is relevant. SolMark *did* work as a benchmark! Well... once. Back in the day when I was selling computers at Computer City, running solitaire and showing how fast the cards were dealt was the best way to get folks to buy that newfangled Pentium 66 that was all the rage. We had a 486/66 installed right next to the Pentium 66. There was a huge difference, and it often got me the sale.

    Nowadays there's very little visible difference. But once.... it was the best computer benchmark on the market. :)

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  15. Benchmark no more by jpop32 · · Score: 1

    At one point, a computer magazine proposed a SolMark computer speed test: The faster the cascade, the faster your computer.

    Solitaire _was_ my benchmark. After each gfx or cpu upgrade the first thing after booting was to fire up Solitaire. :-)

    I can't tell you how disappointed I was when they included timing code in W2k and later releases, so the cards always fall with a fixed speed. But, I guess it was inevitable once times went under a couple of seconds...

  16. Devs sue MS over bundling Solitare & Windows by TechniMyoko · · Score: 1

    The next antitrust case, the way things are going I can see it happening.

  17. Hover! by DesScorp · · Score: 1

    My big time waster was the Hover! game that came with Windows 95. It was definitely addictive, and I wish they would have updated it as well. I've always wondered if anyone has managed to create new levels for it?

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    1. Re:Hover! by Bagels · · Score: 1

      Actually, it only came with a very specific release of Windows 95 (the version that added limited USB support), so a number of people here wouldn't be familiar with it. It came on my old VAIO PC, though, and I will admit to wasting a great deal of time on it myself. I was only about ten back then, so anything with 3D graphics (however rudimentary) could completely capture my attention.

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    2. Re:Hover! by C_To · · Score: 1

      It still works under Windows XP last time I tried, as long as you can find a Windows 95 CD (any Windows 95 CD seems to have it since my Upgrade and OEM Discs contain the folder). And best of all it's only ~20MB if you want to run it off the harddrive instead of the CD.

    3. Re:Hover! by acxr+is+wasted · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the first place hover showed up was on the first release of the Windows 95 Upgrade disc. How do I know this? Cos when Windows 95 came out, I was 12.

      So, nya nya nya nya nya nyah! :-P

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  18. Thank you! by ghideon · · Score: 1

    Next to browsing on ESPN.com, Solitaire is the only thing my father uses the computer for. A 1.2Ghz Athlon rig, that only does MSIE and Solitaire....

    1. Re:Thank you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? My dad uses a P4 2.4b with a gig of ram for solitare and email.

  19. as installed on "hundreds of millions of machines by terbo · · Score: 2, Funny

    But when will they interview the author of SubSeven?

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  20. hmmm.... by odorf · · Score: 1

    the person who gets more people fired for playing games on their computers... DARN HIM! Why did he have to meake that game! It's too darn addictive, I was fired from my last job for playing it on the job and have had a heck of a lot of trouble getting a new jab...

    1. Re:hmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, odorf! Log out, or your karma will..disappear.

  21. Pokemon, anyone? by metroid+composite · · Score: 1
    Why do people keep going back to SMB3? It only outsold SMB1 in North America, and the North American record was broken by Final Fantasy VII (and Ocarena of Time for those who look only at Nintendo sales records).

    Worldwide I'm fairly sure Pokemon beats the lot of them, but it depends on whether you split them into versions or not (which is a debate in and of itself, since there are people who own both the near identical red and blue versions).

    1. Re:Pokemon, anyone? by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 1

      Why do people keep going back to SMB3? It only outsold SMB1 in North America, and the North American record was broken by Final Fantasy VII (and Ocarena of Time for those who look only at Nintendo sales records).

      In North America, SMB1 outsold SMB3 by far, 40 million vs 18 million. Zelda:OoT only sold 3.57 million in the US (ok, so only isn't the right word except in comparison to a handful of Mario titles). FFVII sold 2.45 million in the US.

      Worldwide I'm fairly sure Pokemon beats the lot of them, but it depends on whether you split them into versions or not (which is a debate in and of itself, since there are people who own both the near identical red and blue versions).

      Red and Blue combined in the US is 9.85 million, but the US charts have always split the Pokemon versions. In Japan the individual Pokemon games come close to outselling SMB3, and the combined versions come close to outselling SMB1, but then SMB3 only sold 3.84 million (still a huge number of sales for Japan) and SMB1 6.28 million. FFVII sold 3.28 million copies in Japan, and OoT sold 1.45 million.

      Japanese Platinum Charts
      US Platinum Charts (doesn't go back to NES games unfortunately).

      I think you'll find that the games that come closest in the US to SMB3 are GTA3, GTA:VC, and Mario 64. Pokemon Yellow, Pokemon Blue, and Goldeneye are the only other titles on the list over 5 million.

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  22. Best interview ever by _Sexy_Pants_ · · Score: 1

    I cracked up reading this thing. I wouldn't have imagined the creator of solitaire to be a complete jokester, seeing as there's barely any humor involved.

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  23. Deal Again? by Gregory+S+Patterson · · Score: 2, Funny

    Know how after you win, it asks if you want to deal again? I always wondered why it doesn't just close if you click no. Surely, if you did not want to deal again, you must be done playing, so why not save you the extra click and close the damn thing?

    Bad interface design, tsk tsk.

    1. Re:Deal Again? by jsmthng · · Score: 1

      so you can change the options back to "cumulative score" before dealing the next hand, when you finally win a round. :)

    2. Re:Deal Again? by ComputarMastar · · Score: 1

      A better question is why clicking the window's close button while the cascade is happening still brings up the "deal again?" dialog box.

  24. So does that mean... by Fizzog · · Score: 1

    ... I'm the only person who always plays it in Vegas mode with a one card draw? That's the only way to play if you ask me. I actually won three games in a row a couple of weeks back.