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Plain Cell Phones Fading Away?

An anonymous reader writes "According to this Reuters article plain old vanilla cell phones are fading away in the US. Instead, the author claims, (after quoting some 'expert' from this company) that phones with fancy features (cameras, games, etc.) are starting to dominate. I beg to differ - one of the few things stopping me from purchasing a phone is the fact that I do not want to pay for hundreds of features that I will never use. All I want is an address book and a way to make calls."

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  1. Games on cell phones are not new by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most cell phones have had at least small-scale games on board for years. Nothing advanced, but simple enough things that can keep you occupied during a really boring airport wait. Now, as the processing power increases and the color screens are more common, it's not surprising that the games are getting a little more attention. The new trend is the color screens and cameras, games were already on board.

    1. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks for that redundant post.

    2. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by atomicdoggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally I just want one that has a ring tone that sounds like a damn phone ringing instead playing really annoying songs....

    3. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, you really don't. You realize how stupid you look in public if you pick up your cell phone just to realize you're not the one ringing? That's why people like unique ringtones...

    4. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by jpmkm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People like unique ringtones because they think they are "cool" and they want to show off to everyone that they are "cool" and they have an expensive cell phone. More often than not I see these assholes wait to answer the phone until the song is over. I hate every one of them.

    5. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by rjelks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember reading an article a couple of years ago about games on cellphones. The author claimed that the manufactures are putting games on the phones so the buttons wear out faster. Worn out buttons = need a new phone sooner.

      so:
      1. Make a phone with games.
      2. User wears out buttons faster.
      3. ?
      4. Profit!

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    6. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by Goyuix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Where I work, cameras are strictly prohibited, and basically under no circumstances can I ever bring one inside the building - and a camera phone would be much worse.

      That being said, they are wary of even plain old vanilla cell phones and PDA's, though you can get those cleared with a little paperwork. Bottom line - I will probably never buy a phone that has a camera built in, and quite frankly think that it is really just kind of a gimmicky thing that will probably be used for more bad purposes than good, but that may just be the cynic in me.

      Quite frankly, I wish bluetooth was more prominent in cell phones - I would definitely use that a lot more - and not just for internet access, just syncing contacts and content - and a lot of stuff that doesn't fit on my SIM card that I may want to easily transport between phones. I have a hard time believing they can put a camera on a cell phone for a substantially different cost than putting BT hardware.

    7. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by jangell · · Score: 2, Informative

      I work at Best Buy and sometimes will be in the wireless department. I don't hear people coming in saying that they want a simple phone and hate all the extra features.

      People come in excited about the camera phone concept, perhaps you haven't seen it, it's cooler then you'd think.

      So 99% of the people out there want the features, Afterall the features are very affordable.

    8. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by pyros · · Score: 2, Interesting
      More often than not I see these assholes wait to answer the phone until the song is over.

      Some people have sensitive ears and get really agitated if you play part of a melody, building up to a final note that resolves the scale, and then don't play it. (Like Cartman having to sing Come Sail Away if he hears part of it) I absolutely hate when people choose a song ring tone and answer half-way thru. It's precisely why I use a regular ring tone instead of a song.

    9. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by fenix+down · · Score: 5, Funny

      I work at Best Buy...

      See, that's your problem right there. I worked a Best Buy one summer, and so help me if those customers weren't the stupidest goddamn motherfuckers on earth. And not even "how many megahertz of hard drive do I need" stupid. I mean "does this 52" projection TV take double A batteries or triple As" stupid. Walking out the front door with display items because they "couldn't find the cash register" stupid.

      I'm sure they're excited by camera phones, but they get just about as excited if you jingle your keys at them.

    10. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by The+Spoonman · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's why I always set my ring to sound like a phone ringing. In this day and age, that's the unique sound to have!

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    11. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by Digital11 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, I've been trying to call you for hours! Now get your phone out of your pants and answer it!

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    12. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where I work, cameras are strictly prohibited, and basically under no circumstances can I ever bring one inside the building - and a camera phone would be much worse... Quite frankly, I wish bluetooth was more prominent in cell phones - I would definitely use that a lot more - and not just for internet access, just syncing contacts and content - and a lot of stuff that doesn't fit on my SIM card that I may want to easily transport between phones.

      If your work is security-concerned enough to want to ban cameras and very scared of camera phones, then a Bluetooth-enabled phone will have them reaching for their tin foil hats. I

      If any Bluetooth device is ever hooked to the corperate network in any way, be it through USB to serve a keyboard or printer, or sitting inside a laptop, then that cell phone could connect to the PC through Bluetooth, and then repeat the data out to a public cell phone network. Basically, Bluetooth is a wide open connect to the outside world waiting to happen...

    13. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by bugbread · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point. Mine is on vibration most of the time, but in winter, due to thick clothing, I can't feel it sometimes. Which reminds me of the other thing that I really like about custom ring-tones: I can set different ring-tones for different people. This comes in handy where I'm just busy enough not to answer all calls, but not so busy as to miss certain calls. For example, if I'm taking a nap and my phone starts ringing, I'll know to get up and answer it if it's from my translation agency, but that I can ignore it and go back to sleep if it's a friend calling. When I'm at work, I can know if it's my superior calling, or just my GF ringing about something. Since I have my answering machine on the phone set to pick up after about 5 seconds, it doesn't keep ringing and ringing, so letting it ring without answering doesn't bother the people around me (it would take about 5 seconds to answer the phone anyway, so the two are effectively the same). Also, I have different ring tones set for mail and for phone calls, so I'll know if I have to check the phone right away or if I can check it later at leisure.

    14. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If that's all you wanted, you wouldn't need it to play music. Just lots of different sounding tones are enough, like "beep beep beep" versus "warble warble" versus "Beep Bop Beep Bop" versus "buzz buzz", and so on. The pretentiousness kicks in when it's "the 1812 Overture" versus "Bethoven's Fifth" versus "The Monty Python lumberjack song." The ring tone, if you are changing it for the sake of sounding unique, should communicate its instinctiveness immediately, within the first few notes. Waiting several measures shouldn't be needed.)

      My cellphone has a way to just type in the notes by hand (for example: 2c4f5c1a1b1e, or something like that to mean this note, this long, in this octave, then this note, this long, in this octave, etc" (I don't remember the exact code scheme). All I do is enter gibberish that fits the syntax, without even thinking about what it will sound like. Then, I listen to it. It sounds like crap, but I know unmistakably that it's mine, and it serves it's function, and I don't feel tempted to wait to hear out the whole song.)

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    15. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Funny


      Walking out the front door with display items because they "couldn't find the cash register" stupid.

      That sounds suspiciously like a faked excuse. "Uhhh. no - Me no trying steal thing. Me no smart. Me sorry. Me not knowing where money place to buy thing. Please no press charges on me for shoplifting."

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    16. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by bencvt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Very interesting observa. Some people *do* get really annoyed when stuff is left incomple. I wonder if it's related at all to Obsessive Compulsive Disor?

    17. Re:Games on cell phones are not new by chihowa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Interesting. That must be what it feels like to have a 'real' job. I ignore it if it's my work calling and answer it if it's my gf or friends.

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  2. Whatever by Em+Emalb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as long as there is a market, there will be plain jane phones.

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    1. Re:Whatever by FesterDaFelcher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      as long as there is a market, there will be plain jane phones. I don't think so. When the phones with the features are as cheap as the plain jane phones, then they will replace them. Take calculators nowadays. Most people could get by with add, subtract, divide, and multiply. But since it is so cheap, you've got square root, memory functions, tax functions etc all built in. and that costs no more than a regular calculator. There is a market for plain jane caluators, but you can't find them.

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    2. Re:Whatever by saden1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I love my Nokia 6360. Yes, it is plain and it isn't sexy but it gets the job done and is durable. I've dropped more time than can be imagined and it is still alive and kicking.

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    3. Re:Whatever by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope. We're getting close to the point that a low-level cell phone will have a color display and enough computing power to play Pac-Man.

      386 computers are still useful, but you won't find anybody selling new 386 chips anymore. They're outdated, and it's cheaper to just take a 1 GHz chip and barely use it than to try to find working old parts...

    4. Re:Whatever by zontroll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      actually you can find them....they're free promotional items with stupid company logos on them and a little tiny solar power cell to power it

      On an unrelated topic, if anyone's looking to get solar power cells for free, just pick up a lot of free promotional crap that uses them and break out the cell and attach them all together...

    5. Re:Whatever by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 3, Insightful
      There is a market for plain jane caluators, but you can't find them.

      Not entirely true. There is a big market for calculators with large buttons (the middle aged and elderly frequently prefer them), and they normally have very few functions, sometimes not even square root. There are also "currency conversion" calculators which do nothing but basic arithmetic and multiply/divide by a a constant (i.e. currency conversion).

      I know this because my parents find the buttons (as well as the lettering on them) on most scientific calculators too small to use/read, but it's hard to find large calculators that actually do anything beyond basic arithmetic.

    6. Re:Whatever by Jhon · · Score: 4, Informative
      386 computers are still useful, but you won't find anybody selling new 386 chips anymore.
      Except they are still being produced and sold.It depends on your application and needs. You need something reliable to run a metal lathe (which is what the linked part does at my in-law's shop) in harsh industrial conditions? Or do you need something cutting edge to play the latest games?
    7. Re:Whatever by PhB95 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agreed, but over here some older Nokia models (3310, 3410...) , which were just plain cell phones with no frill, did sell years long, and not even at a very low price. Then recently, Nokia offered a new model with color screen & musical ringtone download, at almost the same price. The remarkable thing is, the look, ergonomy and default settings "clones" the older model : Most people buying one keep these settings. Needless to say, the default ringtone is just that : A "phone ringing" sound

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  3. More featuares means more incremental sales by erick99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Cellular phone companies know that they are not far away from fixed rate "all you can eat" plans. Just like ISP's went from charging by the minute for Internet access to fixed rate "unlimited" usage. So, where do you get incremental income when you can no longer bill by the minute? You sell ringtones, you charge to transfer color pictures, fees for accessing the web, etc. etc. The more features a phone has, the more opportunities to sell something and/or upsell.

    Happy Trails,

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    1. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by quasimodal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've got a cheap little phone that includes a web browser. I find it extremely useful because I've taken some of the information I need to access frequently on my web site and added it to WAP pages that I can now access from my phone. It's much easier to whip out the cell phone than to drag out the laptop, find an internet connection, etc...

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    2. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by rjelks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use it too. You can get cheaper phones and not worry about how long you talk. I'd love for them to go data though. The biggest problem is that they don't have roaming. Just because they are in different cities doesn't mean that an L.A. user can use his/her phone in Denver.

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    3. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by Devil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I concur; no one in my immediate family or (considerable) extended family has a super-high-tech phone. None of my friends have high-tech phones. Who needs all that nonsense? I bought a cell phone so I could make telephone calls, not take and view pictures, download ringtones, browse the web, etc. Once we get the "all you can eat" plans (as erick99 so aptly put it), we'll all be happier.

    4. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by Narcissus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In Australia the Orange network would let you use your mobile as a landline when at home (well, anywhere within about a 100m radius). OK, so I know it's not what you were really talking about, but I saw that as the first step towards the whole "a mobile is no different to a landline" thing.

      In fact, the Orange deal was pretty good: you got a landline number and a mobile number. If someone called your landline and you weren't in the "home zone" then it just redirected to your mobile (unfortunately you picked up the cost, then). Even better, though, was that you could start a call in your home zone then walk out of that zone and it would still be charged as a normal landline call.

    5. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by numark · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you look around, people have ways to get free access to WAP sites on your phone. The only thing that your phone company charges you for is to use their specific WAP server and the services that are on it. If you set up your phone (through the debug menus) to use a free WAP service, you only use airtime.

      I know people on Verizon and AT&T have gotten it to work, and have verified that you don't get charged extra. Verizon, for instance, charges you to use their custom MSN WAP service, that's all. Paired with the Google WAP gateway (translates HTML into WML), that's a pretty good deal.

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    6. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by bugbread · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What I use it for very probably may not suit other people's needs, but I was just addressing the question of who uses this stuff. So far, I've used it to:
      • Take notes (most recently, I was looking at a shelf for my kitchen, and needed to take the measurements, price, etc. Instead of writing it all down, I took a picture).
      • Take a picture of every person whose number I put in my phone. I am absolutely horrible with names, and in my last phone I'd say that maybe 20% of the people in my phonelist I had no idea who they were, but was hesitant to delete them in case one day I'd think, "Oh, THAT'S who Taro is! Damn, I should've kept the number!". Now, whenever someone calls, their name and picture shows on the screen, so I know who is who. Also helps to separate "Taro #1" from "Taro #2" for people whose last names I don't know.
      • Take pictures of anything that would be a pain in the butt to describe to people. For instance, talking to my girlfriend and saying "yesterday, I saw this really cool looking poster in a store window. It was, like, an abstract blue and green thing with like these spikey things coming out...well, it was really cool. I guess you'd have to have seen it yourself". Now, if I see something cool, funny, etc., I can just snap a picture and send it.
      • Personalizing mails. For example, if I get a mail that makes no sense, I could send a "WTF?!" response, but instead I'll just make a WTF face, take a picture, and send it. Much more personal than just words.
      • My phone can take both screen-sized pictures, to send to other phones, and full size (1024 x 768) photos, which I can transfer to my computer through the SD card in the phone. This comes in handy on those days where I see something really beautiful (a sunset, a festival, etc.) that I wasn't expecting, and therefore wasn't carrying my normal digital camera around for.
      Like I said, these are the ways I use it. You may find them incredibly retarded, but it doesn't change the fact that I (and most of my friends) get a lot of mileage out of these features.

      And really, the ability to have a person's face appear when they call is an absolute lifesaver for me (as well as to browse through my phone numbers with a face displayed next to the name). I don't use my cellphone for work, at all, so necessarily most of my uses will be casual. Still, that feature alone has made my phone amazingly more useful.

      As for web browsing, games, etc.:

      First, I live in Tokyo. That means no car. Public transportation only. Having a game you can play with one hand on your cell-phone is incredibly convenient for crowded train commutes. Other than that, honestly, I don't use java much.

      The web browsing is incredibly useful, but, ironically, not for browsing the open internet. Instead, there's a site I use several times a week that will tell you the quickest train route between where you are and where you're going, what stations to change at, what time the trains leave, when you will get there, etc. Without this site, again, I would be pretty much screwed.
    7. Re:More featuares means more incremental sales by mingot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who needs all that nonsense?

      No one. All we really need is air, food, and water. But there are a lot of reasons to WANT these things.

      I have a whiz-bang phone and about the best thing about it has to be the outlook integration. Contact list, Task list, Calander, and Inbox. I used all of these items extensively on the desktop so it's nice to always have access to this information when on the road. Appointment reminders, birthday notifications, task reminders. When I meet folks I don't have to resort to writing information down on scraps of paper and losing them. Nor do I have to go home and enter the information into a second location. I plug the phone into the cradle and there ya go. When I get an email with directions to a client site I don't have to bother with printing it out. I can just browse my inbox from the phone or add a contact. Using the mapping software I have installed on my phone is also helpful when the directions are not. I find a lot of other uses. Notetaking during calls is big for me. They dont get taken on scraps of paper and eaten by the washer machine, they end up on my PC, where they have a chance to be useful. Also handy for airport parking. Nothing like getting back after a week and looking over the sea of cars and wondering where the scrap of paper you wrote the location on has run off to. A PDA does a good deal of this, but the problem is why carry both? More often than not when I was doing the PDA/Cell combo I'd forget the PDA at home.

  4. I would like to see more bluetooth by mpost4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would say that with Bluetooth, cell phones should get less stuff on them. I had a friend said that with Bluetooth a cell phone can just be relegated to a communication conduit. Ideally the cell phone can be made smaller and just stay in the pocket. Or even put in a palm pilot that does not have an ear piece or mouth piece. And have it come with a Bluetooth head set.

    1. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In theory, one could make a Bluetooth device that itself has no interface other than Bluetooth and whatever celluar network system, and then depend on other devices for the microphone, speaker, etc.

      However, the cost of including a microphone, speaker, and small display, especially in mass-marketed form, is so small I just can't see that happening. It'll be cheaper for the cell phone makers to just hand you a standard cell phone with Bluetooth, and just tell you to ignore the features you don't want or need.

    2. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by Kenja · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a Sony T616, which is a very small phone, too small to be used on its own realy. However I also have a bluetooth ear peice. Togehter they work great, the sound quality is perfect and I only need to take the phone out of my pocket to dial numbers which dont have a voice dial command setup. Add to that the fact that I can get on the internet with my PDA via the same bluetooth connection and the phone is a must have for the geek on the go.

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    3. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by mpost4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your PDA should be able to dial your phone for you. I have the Palm Tungsten T2 and I use the dial program to dial my cellphone. I don't see why other PDA's should not be able to do it.

    4. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by Kenja · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, your phone has voice dialing, which records the sound of your voice and then does a digital comaprison in the future. So you can record yourself saying "call mom" and tell the phone to call 555.555.5555 whenever it hears you say that. What I want is to be able to speak a phone number "five five five etc..." and have it dial, no phone has this yet as they lack the CPU power. When we get GHz XScale CPUs in cell phones it'll work.

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    5. Re:I would like to see more bluetooth by PunchMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So you can record yourself saying "call mom" and tell the phone to call 555.555.5555 whenever it hears you say that.

      Here in Toronto I was with Bell for my cellphone a few years ago and subscribed to their voice dialing feature which was precisely this. It worked fantastic *except* that the system would repeat the number back to you (rather slowly) to confirm the number.... which wasn't a big deal, except it ALWAYS got the number right unless I was deliberately trying to screw it up.

      It was a great feature and I'm sorry to see that no cellphones have this... even if you did have to train it on each number or something first.

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  5. Another thing... by JoeLinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you work for the Department of Defense on a military installation, you are not allowed to bring a camera phone onto the facility. A friend of mine did, and they fired him on the spot.

    1. Re:Another thing... by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In most military installations you can bring the phone inside... It just cannot be turned ON.

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    2. Re:Another thing... by NOLAChief · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Doesn't necessarily have to be DoD. I visited the U.S. Customs lab in San Francisco and they are just as paranoid about people bringing cameras in, whether or not they're attached to a phone. I suspect the same policies can be extended to most other government agencies and private companies where protecting information is an issue. The cell Co's are shooting themselves in the foot if they discontinue plain jane phones only to have a big chunk of their market vanish when people figure out the fancy-ass ones can get them fired.

    3. Re:Another thing... by Chiron+Taltos · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Fair enough.

      He was not fired over that incident. We contacted his company's security officer and reported the incident. They took disciplinary action.

      My point was, if the other person was fired on the spot, he probably had other incidents. You can't just fire someone without building a paper trail to backup the company's actions.

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  6. Vanilla Phones by Carrion+Creeper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in Boston the most common phone I see is the cheap motorola phones that you get for $40 with a Verizon contract. Before that it was the cheap ?samsung phone that you got with the Sprint contract.

    maybe that's just those of us who aren't into the bling factor.

  7. Cell providers pushing new features... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's really no other way for the cell phone companies to compete on price, they've pretty much hit the floor on pricing. Therefore, the price points are remaining the same, and the higher end model phones are simply moving to the lower price points.

    Getting camera phones into consumer's hands, whether they really want them or not, is also the best hope the cell providers have to sell their data services. The cellular data structure is pretty much already in place at all of the wireless companies, but there aren't very many people using it. Camera phones are great ways to create a 1-megabyte file which then to get out of the phone requires use of the cell data network... notice that provider-subsidized cell phones never have a USB output through which the picture can travel?

  8. Try the 120e by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Long live the Motorola 120e!

    My wife and I both got cell phones about a year ago. Hers was the fancy, bonus-cash-off color screen fold-open phone, mine was the standard, free-with-plan Motorola 120e. At the time, I thought I was being nice by letting her have the color phone. While she still likes it, I'm quite glad I let her have it, as the 120e is the perfect 'plain vanilla' phone for me. It's got a basic feature list--datebook, phonebook, and such--has a simple, monochrome screen, a powerful backlight (it comes in quite handy in blackouts,) and a nice design. It's absolutely bulletproof--it has gouges on the casing from where I've dropped, crushed, and scraped it, but it still works perfectly. It can last for days without needing a charge, and the call quality is just fine.

    By contrast, the hinge on my wife's phone wiggles and feels somewhat flimsy, it's lucky to go for 36 hours without running out of juice, all the neat 'features' just end up costing money if you want to use them, and frankly, it doesn't get any better reception or sound quality than my phone does. Yeah, she can play Tetris on it, but honestly, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much.

    For a good little "I just want to talk on it" phone, I'd recommend the 120e...

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    1. Re:Try the 120e by phrasebook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your post reminds me of when I first got into Linux. I was doing it all - IMAP, Samba, KDE, GNOME, I was serving up files, sucking down emails, filtering mailing lists, blocking ports, emulating CPUs, unpacking archives, dumping disks, querying databases, compiling software, checking memory usage, killing processes, grepping strings, setting quotas, you name it. I thought this is fantastic, I could never go back, what had I been missing!

      Then I kinda realised over a period of time... what IS all this crap?! I didn't really need much of it at all. I'd been doing just as much without as with. I was using most of it just because it was there, and because I could.

      Ditto the phones. I used to compare phones. Used to know the model numbers. Used to give a shit. Maybe I'm just getting cynical, but my Nokia 5110 does a lot more than I need already. And most importantly, it makes telephone calls (although it's having some difficulty nowadays :). And that is what I need, in the end.

      I guess I stopped looking for features just for the sake of it. I think it's pretty easy to literally trick yourself into thinking that you need something, just because it's there and you can use it or buy it or get it, or because someone else has got it.

      You may really need all those features, which is cool. But generally I don't think you can say others are 'missing out' by using 'limited devices', as you put it. For me, I'm using a device that does what I primarily need, works okay, and I'm not missing out on a single thing. In fact I'd say I'm doing just as much, if not more, by using a more 'limited' device.

      I wonder if this happens to other people? ie. getting more and more interested in features, then kinda stepping back and just using what you need and not looking too far beyond that.

  9. Plain Old cellphones are dead by badriram · · Score: 2, Informative

    Even though there are people that want just a regular cellphone, i would think that nowadays it would actually not be worth the price for any manufacturer to make them.
    When i went to the sprint PCS store a month ago, i did not see a single phone that was B&W. All of them had all the shiny new features, withthe cheapest one being $40. I dont think i will have a problem shelling out 40$ on a phone that does have some of those 'cool' games.

  10. Call Me by mfisher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, the new ideas in phone are great, there great if you are a average user who like taking random pictures and having a nice large color screen and who uses a palm. But untill they cameras are 4 mp and the os is linux and there is about 10 gigs of storage on them I will be fine with my normal call only phone.

  11. Hmmm by ambienceman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well I would say that Nextel, though they are starting to reach out to that pop culture market...is keeping that "phone that works" trend. Those things are tough...they do't have the damn extra bells and whistles that you don't need, and wherever they have coverage, service is great. I plan on sticking with them for awhile.

  12. *XML* enabled address book by revscat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Holy moly, the day that a cell phone manufacturer comes out with the ability to export/import your address book as an XML document is the day I get a new cell phone. I'm with the author of the blurb. I need a phone to call people, and to store the contact info for those I call. That's it. And it'd sure 'nuff be nice to be able to import/export that info into/out of my system.

    I could give a rat turd about cameras and ring tones.

    1. Re:*XML* enabled address book by luisdom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You sure dind't search so hard. How about tab separated values? My phone does, and it is not a strange model.
      I'm sure you guys like to complain about bloat, but you know, cell phone manufacturers aren't (allways) stupid. They know about market segmentation, and they sell exactly what you want.
      Just from nokia:
      Want a plain cheap color-screen phone? nokia 3100
      Color too fancy for you? nokia 2100
      Want it with IrDA? nokia 6100
      Want it with FM radio? nokia 6610
      With integrated camera, fm and IrDA? 7250
      And that just looking at the product page from one manufacturer.

      People. I really don't know how many articles are going to be posted about cell phone feature bloat. But it is not true. You can get a simple-cheap-i-only-want-it-for-calls phone anywhere!!!.
      The fact that they advertise heavily the most complete phones is because there are people that are willing to pay for it and throw away the old one. In Europe, manufacturers have to do that because everyone has already a phone, and they want to keep selling something.

  13. My cell phone is for talking by ubeans · · Score: 2, Funny
    I especially got a Nokia 8390 because it was small, lightweight and had a normal LCD screen non color.

    I dislike color screens because they drain the battery too fast and 99.99% of the time I use my cell phone for -duh- calling people, not for sending pictures.

    Now if it could only play 8 track cartridges :)

  14. Security Problems Too by N8F8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Our company has banned cellphones and PDAs with cameras inside the workplace for secutiry reasons. They have also banned wireless network devices. Whenever someone orders a new laptop the admin has to disable the wireless network card before turning it over to the user.

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    1. Re:Security Problems Too by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Security-aware organizations are facing more and more problems from technology and the concept of "information wants to be free"... not that it means "without charge", but that its getting harder and harder to keep secret information from leaking out.

      Bluetooth could also be a serious problem, because theoretically a transceiver for a Bluetooth keyboard or printer could also host a Bluetooth connection to a cell phone... and that cell phone could then route data out to the cell network and from there it can go anywhere.

  15. Nokia 6110 by October_30th · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've still got it.

    If I remember correctly, it was released in 1997. It cost me an arm and a leg (my first cell phone ever) but it's still working. Somehow it reminds me of my HP 48SX calculator.

    My only gripe with it is that when it's cold (-10 C) outside, the display doesn't refresh properly. Other than that, it's in a perfect working condition.

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    The owls are not what they seem
  16. Cell phone usage is actually expected to grow by prostoalex · · Score: 2, Informative

    People will actually buy more cell phones next year. With 1 billion GSM users there will be more than half a billion phones sold next year.

    Part of that is new users, but yes, people are buying replacements like no one had expected.

  17. The only feature I'm looking for by cluge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's simple really, I want to be able to plug into my phone and think the words, and they person calling me can hear them. Thats all I want, no camera, no games, I'd rather think talk than think how many times do I push 4 to get the letter captial 'I'.

    I wouldn't bother anyone by needing to speak loudly in public. That is the most important thing of all. A cell phone that allows me to communicate, while extending the courtesy of silence to those around me. THAT is the killer feature I am waiting for.

    AngrPeopleRule

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    "Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
  18. Re:The is a good example by Absurd+Being · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The vast majority of people in the US, especially /. readers, have very little connection to agriculture. Invent a new phone, don't, it really doesn't effect 3rd worlders. So rather than do nothing but try to make more food/apply economics to solve the starvation problem, a problem which ideally takes less than 5% of the U.S. population to solve, we deploy the remaining 95% to 'frivolous' projects, such as new technology, etc. WTF else are we supposed to do?

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  19. Re:The is a good example by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nah, there are just no alternatives anymore. Go out and look for just a cell phone, they all have PDA features, color LCD screens, IM and eMail and stuff.

    It's more like a forced up-selling, you really dont have the choice.

    My company just handed out a round of new phones not too long ago that are so bloated with features they're borderline useless as a phone. They run PalmOS, and I've had it crash with a fatal exception just by trying to answer it when it was ringing.

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    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  20. It's All About Marginal Cost by Robotech_Master · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you're making a fully-functional cellphone with today's technology, it doesn't cost very much at all to add this extra functionality. I just upgraded to a digital phone from AT&T, went with their very cheapest model...and it still has all sorts of computer games and things on it.

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  21. Re:big deal by malfunct · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I agree with you with one big but. I think the complaint is when you get a phone and find out you can't activate it on the "economy plan" because it has a camera and PTT feature which costs and extra $30 a month. Its worse when you never plan to use those features but have to pay for them anyway.

    Personally I just wish the web browser in my phone would load up my hotmail and I'd be happy. I guess I need to set up my own site that shows e-mail in wml or whatever it is my phone can read.

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    "You can now flame me, I am full of love,"

  22. Note from HAL by bstadil · · Score: 4, Funny
    I just want a phone so I can make and receive calls. -dave

    I am afraid I can't do that Dave

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    Help fight continental drift.
  23. Good! by thesolo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    phones with fancy features (cameras, games, etc.) are starting to dominate.

    Well great then! I think this is fantastic. Think about all of the places that cameras aren't allowed, for example movie theaters. Now think about how many jackasses who leave their phone on and have it ring during the movie.

    This will have the benefit of making phones more and more difficult to bring into public places, since cameras aren't allowed in those places. In my opinion, all the better. I hate cell phones, I dislike even having one (I only do because of work), and I'm all for any "features" that cause a backlash against them.

    Cell phones are now already banned from strip clubs, certain concert venues are pushing against them, etc. This is a great thing in my opinion.

  24. Losing the simple phones is a bad idea. by Benw5483 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As long as people like my grandmother continue to use a cell phone while she lives in Lforida for 6 months out of a year to call home, there is a rather large market for plain cell phones. I think it would be a huge misstep for the big makers to stop creating these.

    Think about it: less time to research if all you have to do is add addresses and limited functionality web browsing. All your designers can move on to more important stuff that grabs money from the movers and shakers and you can continue selling cheap phones to Grandma and Grandpa and keep that part of your market.

    Cell phones are getting ridculously complex, but there will not be a loss of plain phones anytime soon, just a flood of more complex phones.

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    what?
  25. Marketing to teens.. by Ash87 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are still basic phones out there - the Nokia 3510i is a basic upgrade offered by a lot of companies for mid-level contracts, but even that has games and other features.

    I think the main problem is a phone with nothing but the ability to make calls and compile an address book is that it just doesn't have a markbet big enough to warrant interest; why undoubedtly useful for some people who don't need colour screens and assorted games, those people are often in the minority. I want my phone to be more than just a basic tool for calling people, as do most other people my age (16), and as we're a big market, it's how phones are developed and sold.

    I guess the blame can be pinned on us young 'uns again =)

  26. My view by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Instead, the author claims, (after quoting some 'expert' from this company) that phones with fancy features (cameras, games, etc.) are starting to dominate. I beg to differ - one of the few things stopping me from purchasing a phone is the fact that I do not want to pay for hundreds of features that I will never use. All I want is an address book and a way to make calls."

    I beg to differ with you begging to differ.

    Maybe in the US, but here in the UK it is almost impossible to buy a plain black and white basic phone.

    Phone functionality works in 6 month cycles. What is high tier this year will be middle tier middle of next year and low tier at the end of the year.

    6 months ago colour screens and polyphonic was middle tier, now even the most basic phone these days has them both. Next year the most basic phone will have a camera (and the high tier will also have cameras but be capable of pushing 2 megapixels)

    Ever tried getting a phone that doesn't have SMS? You can't and in two years it'll be the same with the other bits of functionality you despise.

    So yes, they are dominating. Just because you are holding back doesn't mean they aren't. But when yours bites the dust you'll realise that you'll have to move with the times.

    Which may or may not be a good thing depending on your point of view.

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    1. Re:My view by Glog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off - read the article. In there "the expert says" that consumer demand is driving the move towards phones with more features. My "begging to differ" was arguing exactly that point - and I know I am not unique in wanting a simple phone without bells and whistles. Second of all, consumers can't be all that different. So don't go off on a tangent telling me that UKers are all that special. Peace out.

  27. Take a look at the SprintPCS offerings by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My cellphone up and died last month, and I went to replace it. I asked at a few other carriers how long it would take to get my number moved to their service, and when they were telling me anywhere from 15 minutes to 3 weeks, I went back to SprintPCS.

    Unfortunately, they no longer carry the plain, simple phone style that I prefer. [I was using an LG 4NE1, and before that, a Touchpoint, and before that, one of the early Sony models].

    They tried pushing a picture phone one me, and I didn't want it. I got stuck with a Samsung that I'm really unhappy with. It may look all slick with its color screen, and flip action, but it just doesn't deliver in terms of simple functionality that I used to have.

    I only bought this particular model because it closed, so the buttons were protected, so I wouldn't call people accidentially when it presses against my keys. Unfortunately, I can't easily open it one handed, and with the screen on the inside, I have to open it to see who's calling.

    I should've just dealt with not having a phone for a week or so, and have bought a replacement 4NE1 off of eBay.

    Hell, even the ring tones are particularly annoying -- most likely, so you'll use the cool feature of downloading new, snazzy ringtones they can charge $2 each for. And of course, the $15/month service to be able to download the ringtones. But they don't even have The Liberty Bell March, so I can't get back my old one.

    It all comes down to the basics of an product design -- the more features you put into something, the more likely it's going to break. I want a phone that makes phone calls, and has a way to store phone numbers. That's all I care about.

    [And I'd like a service provider that doesn't make me wait 3 hrs, then tell me there's nothing they can do about the fact there's constant static on my new phone. Mind you, it took them all of 30 sec to tell me that, after they wasted 3 hrs to flash it to new firmware, which was NOT what I brought it in for]

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    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
  28. Handy Features are Cool by janimal · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shameless plug alert!

    I like to be able to tell my cellphone by voice to call my wife and have it react without having to touch the phone.

    Also my fabulous 1year old Sony Ericsson t68i lets me use it as a remote for my home computer and laptop for watching movies and flipping PowerPoint presentations at work. AND the Bluetooth GPRS connection when the phone is in my wardrobe in some jacket pocket works like a charm. I'm free to walk around a hotel room with my laptop and work in any *ahem* position I like.

    Features - real features - like that are really useful. On my old basic Motorola V I didn't know how to use the address book. It was so damn ugly I winced just looking at the menu.

    Phones will do more handy things in the future, and don't you for a second make the mistake of so many before you:

    "A [insert invention name here]?! It's neat, but who will ever really use it?" ... :) Every time I hear that in reference to a toy/gadget I look twice; it could be the next big thing.

    not always tho...

  29. Annoyance reduction by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... with Bluetooth a cell phone can ... be made smaller and just stay in the pocket... not have an ear piece or mouth piece. And have it come with a Bluetooth head set.

    Great. Then when the obnoxious guy next to you in the restaurant, airplane, or [wherever you can't escape] starts talking loudly on his cell phone, at least you can hear BOTH sides of the conversation.

    And even chime in. B-)

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    1. Re:Annoyance reduction by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Informative

      As the owner of a Nextel phone, and someone who hates receving PTT calls, I agree. Ironically, PTT calls can (on most phones, anyway) be handled in the same way as normal calls: without the speakerphone function. Nobody bothers to set it up that way, is all.

  30. The providers have the final say by F.+Mephit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems that the usable selection of cellphones available is pretty much dictated by the companies who provide service to them. Anyone can buy an old-style phone off eBay, but to use it the service companies have to allow the phone to be programmed to their networks. When the business pressure of the users of any given phone style is outweighed by the cost and hassle of providing service to those phones (i.e. when current technology progresses to the point where old-style phones get too old and their technology is difficult to remain backwards-compliant with), the providers will, one by one, stop letting the phones be used. Of course, there may remain niche markets for old tech phones in areas where larger numbers of their users live (and maybe willing to pay a premium for the service?).

  31. Quality of "fancy" features by vlad_petric · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yes, there are quite a few phone models that include a fancy camera, but:

    1. That camera has, most likely, a CMOS sensor (much, much slower than CCD, you can only take reasonable pictures in daylight)

    2. Its cheap lens system makes you believe that you're in a different reality (i.e. all squares look round because of the radial distortion)

    Integration of features is not bad, as long as you don't sacrifice quality.

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    The Raven

  32. hundreds of features = hundreds of dollars by Traicovn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In some ways I agree with the author of this post. I mean, yes, it would be nice to have a camera on my phone (except that in all honesty, why would I use that camera when my digital camera is better), or instant messaging (except that keypad typing is really annoying, and thumb-boards are as well, and I'm not a JOT fan), and a web browser (if only I could really see what I was looking at), and fancy ringtones (my self-esteem is so low that I need some fancy song to play when my phone rings so everyone thinks I'm cool), and GPS (ok, so I actually like this feature), and a radio or mp3 player (except I can buy a better mp3 player or radio, a lot better)...

    Ok, so maybe these features sound nice to begin with, but in all honesty, when your camera isn't that high quality (and yes, some are going to argue that they get GREAT pictures from their phone, thank you, I work in a publications department, lets compare your phones digital camera to our 10,000$+ digicams), your screen isn't big enough to really do that much, and the phone uses a keypad for text entry, is it really worth all that extra money?
    In my opinion, not really...

    I'd like one or two 'special features' but in all honesty, all I really want is a phone, an address book (and maybe a planner, if my phone can sync to my computer), really great battery life, and a good signal wherever I go. beyond that, there isn't much I want. I see how it's great that all these devices can come together (eliminate pocket bulge today!) but you end up with one somewhat mediocre device in the end.

    I've been considering getting a combo pda/phone for a while, but the cost is just to high compared to the quality, and then when I see that most of them have internal (think ipod) batteries, and I know how fast I go through cellphone batteries, I can see myself being stranded somewhere without a charge when I might really need my cellphone, or worse, killing the battery from overuse over a few months (In the last 7 months I've logged 296 hours on my current cellphone)

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    [Something witty and intelligent should have appeared here.]
    {Traicovn}
  33. Re:So long as they are cheaper.... by Slashamatic · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The plain Jane phones will remain so long as they are cheaper than the fancier ones.
    There are two issues here, The first issue is that if I sign a two year contract, I get most of my handset paid for. This such that it is often cheaper to buy a new phone than buy a replacement battery for the old phone. The other issue is that the air-time reseller wants to sell me extra services. A phone with new features like a camera is therefore subsidised more than a plainer phone that is just, say, ruggedised. A rugged phone doesn't make me spend more money but multimedia services are supposed to tempt me.
  34. I thought that was what they were FOR. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you work for the Department of Defense on a military installation, you are not allowed to bring a camera phone onto the facility. A friend of mine did, and they fired him on the spot.

    I thought the whole POINT of the cameras was to get people used to them so they could be used for spying, detective work, etc.

    Like the stereotype of the japanese tourist with the camera. They were ALL OVER the US starting soon after WWII, taking pictures of everything.

    Turns out it wasn't just that one of the first non-junk manufacturing industries they got going was mass-produced cameras. A lot of it was industrial espionage. They went back and cloned auto plants, cerial factories, etc. right down to the layout of the machines.

    (That's why it's so much harder to get tours of manufacturing plants these days. Kelloggs, for instance, used to give plant tours all the time. Was a regular tourist attraction. But they stopped them entirely after the Japanese cloned the rice crispies machine.)

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  35. Philosophy of Simplicity by MythoBeast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At one point in my life, I purposely went out to purchase the geekiest watch I could find. That thing transferred phone numbers from my computer just by holding it up to the computer screen, and it was like wearing a hocky puck. I came to hate the thing, and have taken to purchasing the plainest watch I can find. One with actual hands, and a mechanical date function.

    One of the things that I never understood about email clients was why they insisted on trying to store all of the contact information about a person. Who sends things to a snail mail address from an email client? Attempting to keep these things synched with your regular contact manager (like a PDA) is silly because I never try to send email from my PDA, and I have three times as many email addresses as I have real world address and phone number sets.

    Inappropriately added functionality usually just makes a device more difficult to use, or at least distracts from its primary function. I have a PDA for my addresses; I don't need them on my cell phone. I don't want to have to whip out an entire PDA every time I make a call. The games are cute, but they just drain the batteries more quickly. The only unusual feature that I actually use on my cell phone is the Direct Connect, which I consider to be a logical extension. Everything else is a waste of electronics, a waste of my time, and a waste of the energy it takes to lug the thing around.

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    1. Re:Philosophy of Simplicity by marauder404 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      One of the things that I never understood about email clients was why they insisted on trying to store all of the contact information about a person. Who sends things to a snail mail address from an email client?
      Well, where else are you going to store contact information? Are you going to run a separate "Snail Mail Address Book" that keeps all the email addresses? An email client has all the infrastructure for management of contacts through all available means -- it's a trivial step to add complete contact management.
  36. Feature Tyranny by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I beg to differ - one of the few things stopping me from purchasing a phone is the fact that I do not want to pay for hundreds of features that I will never use. All I want is an address book and a way to make calls.
    That's my attitude as well, and probably the attitude of most cell users. But so what? It's not up to us. It's up to the people who make and sell them, and they need to grow their market and steal customers from their competitors. Which means they need incentives for people to use their phones instead of somebody else or even sticking with landlines. And the only incentive that creates any excitement is features, features, features, and maybe some more features.

    Which often results in products that suck, of course, cause the work that makes for a really good product is usually subtle, or even invisible. Which means you can't sell it. So you concentrate on crap that actually makes your product less useful. You might call it the Copeland Effect.

  37. Got it turned around... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not that there's no market for simple phones, it's that the microprocessor revolution has reached the point that there's so much excess capacity in the cheapest phones they can make they might as well throw in some doodads.

    Find me one cellular company -- just ONE -- whose cheapest phone doesn't have some basic games onboard.

  38. One of the first things you learn in marketing... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I beg to differ - one of the few things stopping me from purchasing a phone is the fact that I do not want to pay for hundreds of features that I will never use. All I want is an address book and a way to make calls.

    ...never assume that your preferences are the market's preferences. I simply want a plain phone too. And I think phones will lots of gadgets will dominate. That's not a contradiction. That is simply a realization that I'm probably not average. Why I buy AMD and think Intel will still dominate the mass market too.

    Same with that incredibly cool geeky tech gadget - it might be a hit on slashdot, lots of support. And when you try selling it to Joe Average, it's a flop. Or the other way around. I know there are lots of products which I'd never buy, that are still huge hits. Maybe it's not for your market segment. Maybe it's not for you in specific. Neither of that may matter, though.

    Kjella

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  39. Cheap as Free! by Xhad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "When the phones with the features are as cheap as the plain jane phones, then they will replace them." My cell phone, which has capabilities for Internet Access (if I chose to put it on my plan) and a handful of games, and a calculator, and probably some other stuff I don't even know how to use, came free with my cheapskate call plan. When you can get these extra unnecessary features without paying a dime for them, there's no reason not to get one if the part you want works.

  40. More potential stuff to go wrong. by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hate to see the demise of plain cell phones. I don't mind if others want to waste their money on these "services" (really, just methods to entice fools to part with their money), but as the phones get more complex, they are more likely to fail.

    I'd hate to be in an emergency when I really need my phone, only to have it fail because of some bug in the software which is related to a game or the camera.

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  41. Cell "phones" are fading, yes by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The word "phone" means sound, meaning speaking to someone. The way to think of cellphones now is to think of them as "all the electronic devices I need to carry with me all in one package." That is the future of them, and it's great. Sure, a lot of people still just want voice and a phone book, but that is a commodity market now. Manufacturers don't make money selling those. Manufacturers make money selling camera/PDA/Web/music/video/game phones. Hey, you can always buy the lowest-end phone and you won't be paying for extra features you don't want. However, you can't really buy a phone without messaging and wireless web these days. Just don't use those features and let the rest of us have fun sending phone pictures.

  42. That's not a good arguement, when phones are free by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I beg to differ - one of the few things stopping me from purchasing a phone is the fact that I do not want to pay for hundreds of features that I will never use. All I want is an address book and a way to make calls."

    Most companies are giving you the phones with all the features when you signup. What is a bummer is that you have to switch carriers every so often to get a newer phone.

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  43. You're not paying for unused features. by Colm+Buckley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not want to pay for hundreds of features that I will never use. All I want is an address book and a way to make calls.

    To be honest, to me this smacks of Luddism; the additional features you bemoan clearly don't add to the cost of the phones, as the 'baseline' phone price hasn't increased in the past 3-5 years - in fact, it's decreased. I don't know of any phones on the market which do not have "an addressbook and a way to make calls", so the argument is basically pointless.

    On the flip side of the argument, I've been using a Sony Ericsson P900 since it came out (and the P800 before that) - it's at the other end of the spectrum to the type of phone you describe, having a full-function PDA, Web browser and camera included - and it's been a total revelation. Having instant Web access wherever you are is astoundingly useful, and applications which make specific use of this feature are starting to appear - for example, I use a nifty little program which downloads the weather forecasts and exchange rates every day (or on demand), so that these data are always available to me. Until you try it, you won't think it's any great shakes, but once you have, you won't go back...

    In short: the additional features aren't useless. If you don't want to use them, don't use them, but most people will get utility from them. And they're not adding to the cost of the phones; the increased sales of new models lead to economies of scale which bring down the cost of all phones. Win-win.

  44. It's a marketing study, take it with a grain of .. by JGski · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is mostly wishful thinking by the companies that market the phones. Every product manufacturer wants to "differentiate" their products. The add features that others don't have. When it comes to phones, what do you really need beyond the basic function of land-line phones? Well, either features you can't afford to implement cheaply or quickly (too much infrastructure missing) or features that are intrinsically inane like "games".

    At some point this morphs into believing that "because we're offering it, it must be what the market wants". Basically people making the standard mistake of confusing cause-and-effect and also cause-vs-correlation.

    Market "researchers" who make a living off this play off this fuzzy thinking all the time. Obviously if you tell people what they want to hear ("you're doing a great job trying to put an expresso maker in a cellphone"), they like you more and pay you money!

  45. Camera Phones by Entropy_ajb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I purchased a new phone about 6 months ago, one of the features I was looking for was a phone WITHOUT a camera. The problem was, that all of the high end(ie small) phones had cameras built in. I finally found one, but this is going to be a problem for many employers/employees. Where I interned last summer (a major defense contractor), cameras of any kind were not allowed on site. This means that if I had purchased a camera phone I would not have been able to take it to work with me. Many people were already starting to bring camera phones to work, and this was last summer. This is where the problem for the employer begins. Does the employer fire an employee that brings a camera phone to work? In the case of defense contractors this can get really ugly, because the company can get in big trouble if they find out that there are unauthorized camera going to and leaving the plant site every day. This puts the employee and the employer in a bind because it is very reasonable for an employee to want to bring a cell phone with him to work, but even if they leave it in their car while they are working, if it is a camera phone it is still illegal.

  46. Poor design by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who decided cellphones should have tiny buttons, in staggered rows? Hint to you designers: look at a Western Electric POTS 2500 (touchtone) set.

    1 2 3
    4 5 6
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  47. I disagree. by Attilla_The_Pun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So I recently had the opportunity to get a new cell phone (Read: My old Motorola StarTac got busted.) I went out and did a little shopping. Not only did I find out that there was no compelling reason for me to upgrade, but that the new phones actually got a worse signal than my "old" StarTac. So I tell the counter person that I just want a new StarTac. Thankfully, they still make these, and I was able to get one. And the reason I think this article is BS...is that he told me that, STILL, the old clamshell StarTacs are their best-selling phones. I think I got mine over 6 years back. That says alot. I can't see myself getting a new cell phone until they combine a fully-functional PDA and a cell phone into one, and sell it at a cheap price. And that's only because I've been needing a PDA recently, but hate carrying more than one electronic gadget.

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  48. Man, just run to the cell phone shop. by hummassa · · Score: 4, Informative

    People don't realize, and it's not really documented, but *any* nokia phone with a IR/BlueT/serial connection will export the addresses in a XML format. check it out.

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  49. The cell phone market is evolving by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The cell phone market is slowly evolving, just as the automobile market did.

    In the beginning, cars were simple and unreliable. Then lots of extra fancy features got added, but the cars were still unreliable. Finally, the cars got reliable, and now you can get them with or without the fancy features.

    Right now, the cell phone manufacturers are foolishly thinking that they can cell more phones by adding more features. And for a short while, their sales will go up. But the sales will drop again as people learn that the phones still aren't reliable or easy to use.

    Slowly, the manufacturers will learn that reliability is important for both simple phones and snazzy ones. If a phone isn't durable, is difficult to use, doesn't get good reception, or has bad sound quality, nothing else matters.

    Market forces do work in a true capitalistic economy... they just take a long time to balance out.

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  50. Demand vs. Utility by SuperChuck69 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ah, how long ago was it when I finally conceded to owning a cellular phone? "Just in case I'm stranded on the side of the road," I said. Oh, how wrong was I? I shortly learned how much easier it made my life to be mobile!

    When I got back from working in London, I was looking for a new carrier that had some of the features I had seen in while I was over there, namely SMS and WAP.

    How stupid and pointless is SMS? I mean, really, all I need is a phone to make calls with. I don't need silly doo-dads like text messages! It's a phone! I just need to use it to call people!

    Yet, text messages have completely penetrated American culture (as they had in London). Conversations have overhead. "Hi, how are you, how's the weather, how are the kids [INSERT REASON FOR CALL HERE] Well I should be going, have a great day, yeah we really should go skiing some time, okay, I'll call you next week, have a great week, blah blah blah". Text messages, on the other hand, are concise. "I got tickets to the superbowl, yay me". And if the recipient is away from her phone? Fine, she'll get it whenever.

    And, thus, almost everyone who bought their phone "just to have a phone to make calls on" and conceded to having text message capability has really enjoyed the text capability. A couple months ago, my father got his very first mobile phone and was sending me text messages within a week.

    WAP hasn't taken off as strongly in the United States, probably because it costs an extra couple of bucks (and, thus, unlike text messages can be averted). However, those who did break down and pay the extra couple of bucks think it's the best thing since sliced bread. If, for some God-awful reason, I have to be away from televisions on Sunday, I can get the football scores immediately. Just 45 or so minutes ago, I checked the weekend weather and ski reports at lunch.

    So why are we so averse to technology (or techno-creep)? I constantly hear even technophiles saying "I don't need my phone to do that". Get with it: YOU DO NEED YOUR PHONE TO DO THAT, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IT YET!

    Most of the "new mobile phone technology" has been alive and kicking in Europe, the UK, Asia, and Africa for years before coming to the antiquated United States. It has all been tested in those climates. It is all successful technology before it reaches the United States.

    Which brings us to the latest debacle. Camera phones. Camera phones have seen wild success in the UK. As they caught on, the Brits found new uses for them and just continued until millions and millions of images were flying through the clouds over London.

    Personally, I'm just waiting for my contract to expire so I can get the best and brightest camera phone out there. I already know I can use it to take pictures of the goofy things I see every day and send them to my friends. It also allows me to have a cheap digicam on my person at all times. Sure, it's only 640x480, but all I usually want is a "look, it's me on top of Mt. Everest! Hi mom!" for the ole' website. I'm not shooting weddings.

    Whoever said necesity is the mother of invention is dead wrong. Invention is the mother of creativity.

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  51. Star Trek Promised Us... by Rand+Race · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... computers you could talk to.

    But what do we get?

    Telephones you type on.

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  52. CENTRALITY BIAS by jamej · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a very important concept. It addresses our natural proclivity to project our response, or desires or thoughts onto others. Its okay that you don't want all those silly features but it seems most others do. Address book, camera, sms, and alot of ring tones to choose from are for me. I would never bother with the games.

  53. Oh, right. by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, of course. The Rice Crispies machine. A simple set of photos of the outside allows them to clone it. Here's a roll of film I took of my car. Make a fuel injected 4-cyclinder DOHC engine now, please.

    Oh, you can't? Hmmm. Funny.

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    1. Re:Oh, right. by utexaspunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it's not the machines themselves but the processes- if I want to know how the car your company makes works, I could just buy one and take it apart. the important thing, which one could learn by touring the factory and taking pictures, is how you are able to make that car so affordable and of such high quality. it's pretty safe to say that the success of Japanese car manufacturing in the mid-20th century (and other industries, like electronics, as well) was the result of careful analysis of how the existing companies were doing things, seeing what worked/didn't work, looking at where it could be improved. They also had the advantage of starting from scratch with a picture of what works, whereas the American manufacturers were heavily invested in processes that had been kludged together through trial and error. American industry had gotten so comfortable with their way of doing things and their lack of real competitition that the Japanese caught them completely by surprise. They were able to produce better products for less, and they kicked American ass for a while. Now the same trend is happening over again with countries like Korea, China, and India, and the Japanese are feeling it.

  54. A cell phone is slightly better than a PDA by WetCat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    - It is usually with you and having it don't make you geek.
    - It's smaller and easier to fit in pocket.
    - Usually GPRS is available and easier to use than other wireless methods available for PDAs
    - Having Java, at least compatible with Turing machine :) - will fly!
    - Or having WAP+GPRS and webmin shell connection -
    same thing (but unsecure :)
    - Address book is safe, it's in flash, possibly also copied into SIM card and can be immediately transmitted to your online address book. Having had a lot of troubles with the power-dependent RAM in PDAs, I can say that it's really a good feature.

  55. There will always be a market for "plain vanilla" by jlagrua · · Score: 4, Informative

    The US Government, including the US Military buys tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of cell phones (and various other consumer-grade communications devices) for its personnel & civil servants every year. And due to security restrictions, and rules regarding communications devices within restricted work spaces (or even restricted compunds), phones with cameras, voice recorders, 'walkie-talkies', and any other features which can be utilized to physically - or even virtually - transport data/information (including SBU [Sensitive But Unclassified] and FOUO [For Official Use Only]) are strictly and unequivocally verboten . Some spaces forbid even carrying your phone into it, even if it is turned off - and irrespective of what features it has! Therefore, there will always be a market for "one-trick pony" cell phones. I highly doubt that the manufacturers would shoot themselves in their collective foot and obviate probably one of their biggest customers world wide. And it's a fairly safe assumption that other world governments/militaries have similar restrictions for their personnel's use of phones as well. So, unless they come up with a way for the government(s) to permanently 'lock out' those features that could be construed as "security risks", I can't see the simple 'entry level' cell phone/communicator going away any time soon.

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  56. Why not...it's free! by yelohbird · · Score: 2

    I've got a T610, and I'm very happy with it..why? Because it was free to me. In fact, I got $100 cash back from "buying" it. It's a cell phone where i can make calls flawlessly AND has those "snazzy" features that i didn't pay for but can still use. Of course, you can argue that the cost of the phones is built into the ultra expensive plans in the US(compared to a $6/mo 500 anytime unltd. night/weekend I had in Taiwan), but I am a lowly consumer with no control over those factors, so I might as well be satisfied with what I have.

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  57. Soon the carriers won't sell plain phones by DonGar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was at a game development conference a while back aimed at small/portable game platforms. One of the talks I attended went into the expected growth of the phone gaming market, and what types of games are the most popular (and why).

    One of the important facts that came out is that most people who buy a phone that can download and play games will eventually do it, even if they didn't know or care about the ability to do so when they bought the phone.

    It was also mentioned that the major carriers are aware of this, and plan to start only selling phones that support downloadable games and ringtones. They all those additional $1 and $2 purchases.

    I also found it interesting that one of the best selling (and most consistant) games is hangman. It was strongly pointed out at the conference that most of the phone game market does NOT consist of traditional gamers, and their interests to do lay in the same things.

    PS:
    I recently bought a new phone with bluetooth. I didn't want the camera, but couldn't get the rest of the stuff I wanted without it.

    Since then I've used it quite a bit, and not for the reasons you expect. For example, it's a really great way to entertain a 5 year old at a restaurant.

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