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prostoalex writes "Jim Turley from Embedded Systems Programming magazine answers the question of where microprocessors come from. While the public generally knows about the silicon and microprocessor vendors, few can describe the process of turning the beach sand into the latest and greatest several-hundred-dollars-worth CPU."

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  1. The birds and bees, flowers and trees by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The microprocessor stork brings them.

    Right, mommy?

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    1. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by Dreadlord · · Score: 1

      no, mommy says that if I behave myself and be a good boy, santa will bring me a new 3+ GHz CPU.

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    2. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by cfuse · · Score: 1
      The microprocessor stork brings them.

      Right, mommy?

      No honey, they come from mommy's poon.

    3. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sometimes, when a boy processor and a girl processor love each other very much...

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    4. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by Stween · · Score: 1

      Damn, that's the funniest thing I've read all night.

      Either that, or fatigue's setting in. I'm not sure which.

    5. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by mog007 · · Score: 1

      When are people going to learn to build the processors out of wood? It's natural, it's a replenishing resource, and it grows on trees.

    6. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > When are people going to learn to build the processors out of wood? It's natural, it's a replenishing resource, and it grows on trees.

      Is that why non-thermal-diode-protected processors burn? B-because they're made of wood?

    7. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else floats on water?

      A Processor!

    8. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > > > When are people going to learn to build the processors out of wood? It's natural, it's a replenishing resource, and it grows on trees.
      > > Is that why non-thermal-diode-protected processors burn? B-because they're made of wood?
      > What else floats on water?
      >
      > A Processor!

      Now that I think about it, a cut chip die would probably float due to surface tension, and it would definitely qualify as a "very small rock".

    9. Re:The birds and bees, flowers and trees by Sire+Enaique · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm

      Let's see:

      Hackers wear hats, as is well known.
      Witches also wear hats, therefore hackers are obviously witches.

      But since silicon wafers float on water, they are also obviously witches.

      Therefore, hackers really are silicon wafers turned by witchfraft into human form.

      QED

  2. ...giant silver bolognas... by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Funny
    Raw silicon is grown into crystal ingots, which look like giant silver bolognas.

    That, my friends, is a really unpleasant image.

    Then it's sliced into exceptionally thin wafers about 6 to 8 inches (200 to 300mm) across, depending on the diameter of the ingot.

    Owwww!!!!

    1. Re:...giant silver bolognas... by chullymonster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Have a look at MEMC's website (www.memc.com), they produce silicon wafers like the ones in the article. The site has some nice pics and animations of their manufacturing process.

    2. Re:...giant silver bolognas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      150, 200 and 300mm Wafers are app. 6, 8 and 12 inches in diameter, respectively.

      The surface area of a 200mm (20cm) wafer is just a tad above 628cm^2

      You will need an unusually thick 200mm wafer to get to 968cm^2 surface area.

      I am glad that semiconductors are designed by engineers, not analysts.

    3. Re:...giant silver bolognas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Then it's sliced into exceptionally thin wafers about 6 to 8 inches (200 to 300mm) across, depending on the diameter of the ingot.

      Just to be anal I suppose, the 6" wafers are 150mm and the 8" wafers are 200mm. The 300mm wafers are the new 12" ones that the latest fabs are using. There is still a large install base of 6" with most modern fabs using 8" wafer.

      PS. Yes, I am an EE working in a fab.
    4. Re:...giant silver bolognas... by wildsurf · · Score: 1
      Raw silicon is grown into crystal ingots, which look like giant silver bolognas.

      That, my friends, is a really unpleasant image.
      I hesitate to imagine what they use for the casing...... Horta intestines?
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    5. Re:...giant silver bolognas... by DataSquid · · Score: 1

      A prof at my University insisted in calling them "salamis" during my semiconductor materials course. And he had this English accent that made it hard to keep a straight face in his class, as he went on and on about his "salaaaaamis". R. I. Hornsey? You're damn right I am!

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  3. Re:near-first post by dreadnougat · · Score: 1

    Germany is third world?

  4. Re:near-first post by Tenfish · · Score: 1

    Aha! The cure for outsourcing.

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  5. It's all about what catches the eye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    or at least so I gather from the frequency with which the Silicone/Silicon mistake is made. Maybe if computer chips were warm instead of hot, and squeezably soft instead of hard, and bouncy always bouncy people would know more about them.

  6. Re:near-first post by djxploit · · Score: 0

    i think that u just mentioned it... ehh let em suffer we give em jobs, to every upside there is a downside

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  7. One supplier by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Informative
    When I lived in Midland, MI (home to Dow and Dow Corning) 'silicon' wasn't uncommon in casual conversations, particularly in a city of 40,000 with a large engineering population. Dow Corning, besides silicone compounds also provides silicon to a local company literally in the sticks, Hemlock Semiconductor. Some nice stuff on their site regarding products, 1, 2

    I'd always thought these materials were made in hot, dry climates, like Arizona, yet there was a supplier right in my backyard.

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  8. Oh, everyone knows... by Faust7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hellacious spawning vats in the dark dungeons of Intel, AMD, IBM, and Apple.

    *sqlorch*
    *SQLORCH* ...
    *Ding!*

    1. Re:Oh, everyone knows... by Alephcat · · Score: 0

      I summon you oh mighty opteron, to tell me, the answer!

    2. Re:Oh, everyone knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Breed me a processor worthy of Mordor!

  9. Clean Rooms by nil5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The only thing I don't like about the process is the working conditions: annoyingly loud!
    For those of you that have never been in a clean room, there is a tremendous amount of ambient sound due to the very important air cleaning/circulation system. In order to make the clean room "clean", there can only be so much dust particles in the air. (e.g. 1ppm) (there are actually different classes of clean rooms)

    The ramification of this is that one can hardly hear one's voice. Personally, I'm glad I'm not in the semiconductor field :)

    1. Re:Clean Rooms by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do work in a clean room, class 5 is our usual but sometimes a bit lower. I never hear the noise, it is actually nice and quited inside our Fab.

    2. Re:Clean Rooms by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny
      For those of you that have never been in a clean room, there is a tremendous amount of ambient sound due to the very important air cleaning/circulation system.

      Well, shoot! That sure blows my image, I thought it was the disco music that people in Intel 'bunny suits' danced to.

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    3. Re:Clean Rooms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, don't forget the incredibly nasty hydroflouric acid that is used for mask etching. It numbs the nerves, so if it contacts skin it'll eat away your fingers without you noticing until you take off the glove. All the more reason to wear two pairs of gloves.

  10. Geeks and history by FreemanPatrickHenry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A knowledge of history is almost always a Good Thing. I wonder how many programmers have never heard of Charles Babbage? ("Analytical Engine? What?") You should at least have a decent knowledge of the history of your craft. Call me old-fashioned, but my love of computer science isn't limited by EnterpriseJavaBeans and BiCapitalizedMumboJumbo and whatever buzzword happens to be out today. There's more to it than that.

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    1. Re:Geeks and history by xoran99 · · Score: 1
      The history of computer science is definitely covered in some of the lower-level courses, but I wonder how many are truly interested enough to remember...

      I don't know if knowing the history is necessarily important. It seems to me what is more lacking in computer science majors I've seen is developed mathematical and logical skill. But then, computer science is only my minor, so I might tend to think that all computer scientists should be mathematicians :P

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  11. Try Intel's museum by badzilla · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you can visit Santa Clara USA then Intel's museum has a nice introduction to the process of turning sand into chips.

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  12. I can, and in only 4 letters by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 3, Funny

    V I S A

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  13. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's pretty funny. If I hadn't been banned from mod points for disagreeing with the hivemind I'd give you +1, Insightful.

  14. Re:near-first post by swordboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They *do* mention the effects that this has on one's brain - especially with metric conversion. From the article:

    Raw silicon is grown into crystal ingots, which look like giant silver bolognas. Then it's sliced into exceptionally thin wafers about 6 to 8 inches (200 to 300mm) across

    Ummm... yeah...

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  15. Man, I'm old! by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read the article and find myself actually knowing in advance how silicon chips are made. You see, in the 80ies we had childrens books about computers that covered something more than how to start Word and update Winblows.

    1. Re:Man, I'm old! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Heck, in the 70's I had to read the same computer books as the adults did! How they worked, how to program them, how to make your own digital circuits....

    2. Re:Man, I'm old! by Alephcat · · Score: 0

      I was not really up to reading those sort of books in the 80s (being born in 84) but I did still know most of what the article covered. I still thought it was an interesting article and useful for anyone how did not read those sort of books or works/ed in that industry.

    3. Re:Man, I'm old! by donbrock · · Score: 1

      And it was uphill both ways!

  16. the truth by jjeffries · · Score: 5, Funny

    a couple of macroprocessors get drunk, start messing around... they wake up the next morning full of regret... next thing you know, there's a new microprocessor for someone to install, dress up in a nice case, feed it RAM, and reboot it when it makes a mess, which will be all the damn time for the first few months...

    1. Re:the truth by The+Munger · · Score: 1

      I see I'm too late for the Simpsons reference. Maybe I could get in an 'Overlords' joke. Oooh, oooh, what about a SkyNet pun?

      It's all too easy.

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  17. Re:near-first post by Absurd+Being · · Score: 1

    East Germany was 2.5th world, I seem to recall.

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  18. not so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i worked in a class 1 facility and noise was there, but hardly annoying. nothing near those of other manufacturing facilities.

  19. tinker-toys by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 4, Funny

    the latest and greatest several-hundred-dollars-worth CPU.

    Only if you're buying intel can you get the latest and greatest for only several-hundred-dollars-worth. We call the intel servers at work "tinker-toys" because they are wimpy and cannot get much real work done.

    The Alphaserver GS160, the IBM RS/6000, and the Sunfire 12k. Those are the manly servers that do the real work around here. I don't think you can replace fans in these things for "several-hundred-dollars-worth". ;-) The CPU's in these are a couple thousand dollars each.

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    1. Re:tinker-toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the processors you mentioned comparitively suck :)

    2. Re:tinker-toys by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Too bad the processors you mentioned comparitively suck :)

      Perhaps that is the case if you are a l33t g4m3r. Which I suspect you are.

      If you are running a nationwide medical record database with 8000 concurrent users (I am), there is NO intel machine ANYWHERE that can handle the load.

      The current crop of Itanium or Xeon servers (even 8 and 16 way) cannot even come close to the performance of the GS series Alphaservers. Not even close. Not for processing power, and definitely not for memory bandwidth. What happens when you need 32 or 64 CPU's? Or more than that even? Sorry Charlie - intel servers are tinker-toys when compared to the big-iron of today.

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    3. Re:tinker-toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he he he, what a case of my dic^h^h^h computer is bigger than yours. I am sure all the ladies reading slashdot are so impressed.

    4. Re:tinker-toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he he he, what a case of my dic^h^h^h computer is bigger than yours. I am sure all the ladies reading slashdot are so impressed.

      Whiny bitch. you're probably a liberal. And probably gay too. filthy faggot, dicks are for chicks.

  20. Re:near-first post by IchBinDasWalross · · Score: 0, Troll

    in thrid-woirld countries like korea and germany

    Germany is not a third world country! Places like Elbonia are third world countries, where their "computers" are actually Game Boys with 56k modems.

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  21. Leaves out the meat... by HermesHuang · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While informative on what it touches on, this doesn't describe what goes into making a chip. It describes how a chip is patterned. Then follows many many diffusion, oxidation, etch, and metallization steps that go between each photoresist mask step. I suppose it makes a good read for someone who wants just a general overview. But it makes it sound like making a chip is just a glorified film development process. I do microfab work, and the lithography steps are the steps we take for granted (mostly -- they still do take effort to get right, but are in general easier then what follows).

    1. Re:Leaves out the meat... by stevesliva · · Score: 3, Informative
      I agree. Even given a perfect mask, you can still blow the chemistry (implants, trenches, diffusion, whatever) for a given process step pretty easily. It also doesn't seem to mention the chemical-mechanical polishing needed to smooth the wafers after certain steps-- that's easy to screw up also.

      But as far as an article targeted at a total layperson goes, it's okay. Not that most laypeople don't quickly lose interest when you start talking about wafers, masks, reticles, photoresist, process steps. You always have to start with the broader concepts and see when their eyes glaze over:

      What do you do?
      I work at a place that makes computer chips
      Oh really? What kinds?
      All kinds. I work in the ASICS group.
      ASICS? Like the sneakers?

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    2. Re:Leaves out the meat... by Naeleros · · Score: 1

      What kind of qualifications does someone need to work at a chip fab? How did you get started? I find it fascinating..but, I have always been curious how people *got their start*.

    3. Re:Leaves out the meat... by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Informative
      In and around the fab, there's a huge range of skills necessary, from babysitting machines to trying to figure out quantum mechanics.

      To work in a bunny suit on the production floor? A high school diploma is often enough. To work in test/yield improvement? An EE degree, perhaps. To actually develop the bleeding edge processes? A PhD in physics.

      There's far more to it than that, of course. And the actual chip designers could be across the parking lot or around the world.

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    4. Re:Leaves out the meat... by burnin1965 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A PhD in physics would help, however, I've watched people with and Bachelors and Masters degree ranging from business to chemistry to mechanical engineering all execute the job of process development.

      Of course these same people have been working in the industry for 20+ years and have more than earned a PhD with all the work they've done bringing the industry to where it is today.

      I just want to make sure you don't scare anyone away making them think they have to get a PhD in physics to get into the biz.

      And you are definitely on target about the diversity. I think you could take the work force from a semiconductor fab and throw them into just about any technical business and they would have the skills within the team to get the job done.

      burnin

    5. Re:Leaves out the meat... by HermesHuang · · Score: 1

      I work in an experimental microdevice lab. My degree is in Applied physics, but we have ME, EE, MS, and all other sorts working here. Problem with making new devices is that you never know what skills you'll need until you need them.

      Other then touring big chip fabs, I don't know that much about the industrial side of things. I make a device a week or so....

      I will agree that to baby-sit a machine probably all that's needed is a high-school diploma - it's all automated so you just press a button to start the thing and it does everything else itself. The expertise that's required is in designing devices and coming up with fabrication processes. Mask design is an art in and of itself because you want to use the fewest masks possible so often each mask will serve many purposes at once.

      But I deviate... How did I get my start? I took a summer internship at JPL doing microdevice fabrication (in my case, with thermoelectric materials).

    6. Re:Leaves out the meat... by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 1

      This is the most insightful thing I have read on slashdot in a long time. The NanoTech field is so still new that it is not a requirment to have a PhD. What is a requirement is to not be bound to standard thinking!!!

    7. Re:Leaves out the meat... by TimeZone · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the year-long development process before you even get to go to fab. HDL (or schematic capture) design, tons and tons of functional simulation, the preliminary floorplanning of the chip, gate-level simulation, then timing closure all have to be done before you can even make a mask. TZ (biased since logic design is what I do)

  22. Don't squeeze the Pentium, Mr Whipple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was with that toilet paper squeezing pervert anyway?

  23. Misses one important point: yield. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having smaller die sizes is not good just because you can put more dies on a wafer. It is because your yield will improve. Dust/contamination is the real enemey, and bigger dies have an (exponentially or even worse) higher risk of having one dust particle destroying the chip function. Cutting the size with 10% may well lower the production cost by 50%.

    And that is ofcourse why moving to a smaller technology (eg from .18 to .13) can be a real money saver (next to allowing higher clock rates).

    1. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by stevesliva · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Smaller dies can also mean a much cheaper package with less pins.

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    2. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Smaller dies can also mean a much cheaper package with less pins.

      Beg pardon? Seems for the last 20 years processors have been gaining pins like some adherence to Moore's law. Seen the Athlon 64's lately? Didn't the 6502, 8086 and z80 processors have like 40 pins? I can't see a correllation between pins and die size.

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    3. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by stevesliva · · Score: 1
      I can't see a correllation between pins and die size.

      Smaller die would loosely correlate to less power, with fewer power and ground pins (most of the pins on a processor). But certainly you can design a processor that sucks amps and a DRAM of the same die size that break the correlation.

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    4. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      Uhhh, wrong...

      Smaller die size will have the same number of pins. The electrical interface to the chip will be the same; the only change will be the physical size of the die and interconnects in the package, and perhaps the clock speed may be a bit faster.

      -Z

    5. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by stevesliva · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two words: VDD pins.

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    6. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Pins are out of style. If the pins are put on at a 0.001 degree angle wrong, they won't all line up, and the chip processor is gone. (This is how it is now because of sheer number of pins).

      Not everything is using pins now...

    7. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Also misses the huge amount of measurement and inspection needed to establish statistical process control of the physical and mechanical processes that the Etching Depositing and implanting equipment performs at each layer.

      Repeatability is the name of the game and you have to use all kinds of sophisticated measuring devices like Scanning Electron Microscopes, Laser particle scanners and electrical device measurements in the scribe lanes between the chips at each layer to keep the whole process running sweetly.

      One machine with a slight gas leak can scrap millions of dollars worth of wafers in a couple of days. It can be a pretty buzzy environment to work in.

      Pretty good for an article in words though. Though also misses out geeky things like seeing a purple ion beam (Yup, Star wars but for real - if it got out of alignment and scanned the wall a satifying yellow spray of molten metal spurts out ) in vaccum scanning across a wafer and silver cylinder cryopumps sitting there wheezing away, snatching every last gas molecule into their ultra low temperature guts. There are more space age high tech physics machines in todays mega-fabs than most countries have in all their universities put together. Very cool, glad I used to work in them.

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    8. Re:Misses one important point: yield. by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Smaller die would loosely correlate to less power, with fewer power and ground pins (most of the pins on a processor)

      Yeah, but processors down the road typically get better about power needs, as long as clock isn't going up, but low clock processors seem to have a market life of a couple years then they become NOS. Pin count for power is going to be established by the first out the gate and no matter how miserly the successors are, they're in the same package due to the socket standard and motherboard compatibility.

      Heck, you should know all this by now.

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  24. Why just square chips? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:
    For an example, let's look at a 200mm silicon wafer, which has about 986cm2 of surface area. That's about the size of a salad plate. Let's say your chips are square (most are) and they measure 10mm on a side?that's 100mm2 per chip. If the silicon wafer was also square you could fit 986 chips on your wafer. Alas, wafers are round so you can really only get about 279 chips on a wafer.

    I guess the obvious question, since using squares on a round wafer wastes a certain amount of silicon, is why squares? Why not build a hex grid? That would seem to maximize the usage of the available area.

    But then, I suppose cutting them out would be significantly more difficult.

    What about triangles, then? Straight lines up and down, and in one (or both) diagonal directions.

    On the other hand, someone's already thought of this:
    Intel's old i960MX microprocessor was octagonal. It was so big its corners had to be cut off.

    So my idea has an obvious flaw. The question is... what is it?

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    1. Re:Why just square chips? by Timbotronic · · Score: 5, Funny
      I guess the obvious question, since using squares on a round wafer wastes a certain amount of silicon, is why squares? Why not build a hex grid?

      They tried this once, but all the geeks in the clean room started putting little orcs on the chips and played Dungeons and Dragons

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    2. Re:Why just square chips? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Easy, The octagonal intel chips was probably cut as a square. The corners were just wasted space. They were octagonal due to lithogrphy reasons, not to save space. Triangular chips are even worse then square in that regard. For the same area the crossection is larger making layout and lithography harder. Now triangles could still ork for small chips but if they are small you are not wasting much space anyway so its not practical to change your process to squease out an extra 1%.

    3. Re:Why just square chips? by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      Foo, and then the Battletech guys step in an PPC the orcs...

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    4. Re:Why just square chips? by JDevers · · Score: 1

      A related question would be why not make the wafers square?

    5. Re:Why just square chips? by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Just a suggestion, but what would you do with the diagonal parts of the die (one die, not multiple die)? Most processors I have seen are not only square on the outside, they are also square on the inside. Correct me here if I am wrong though (/me checks his Pentium II processor on his key ring).

      So you either have a tremendously more complex internal design, which makes use of these diagonals or you throw away space on the die itself. And for what? Upgrading to a larger wafer and smaller dies would bring down the waste as well.

      See also
      http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040201/pre scott- 05.html
      to get an idea what I am talking about. This is just an example guys, don't start a flamewar on Tom's hardware, would you?

    6. Re:Why just square chips? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silicon, being a crystal, probably naturally grows in a cylinder. Making a square wafer would mean growing the entire thing larger and cutting off the edges. Its just easier to leave the thing circular and get a couple extra chips in

    7. Re:Why just square chips? by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Square ( or rectangular) because the silicon crystal lattice wants to break along perpendicular directions and square because a diamond wheel doesnt change directions very easily. Any other shape would result in more broken chips and lower yield and higher prices.

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    8. Re:Why just square chips? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're round cylinders extruded from a vat of molten silicon, so the cross section is round, so the wafers are round.

    9. Re:Why just square chips? by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      You could make them square but the manufacturing process to make the wafer pulls a crystal out of molten silicon and rotates slowly as it is pulled out. The resulting single crystal Boule is a cylinder, so you start with a round slice of silicon and would have to throw away a lot of it to create a square.

      The corners would also be a little fragile and the manufacturing equipment used to process the wafers would need to establish a plasma for example across the wafer all the way out to the corners - wasting the potential processing area in the pieces that have been thrown away. As increasing the wafer size by a couple of inches seemed to multiply the cost of the manufacturing equipment by ten each time it happened in the past I guess there has never been an economic incentive to use square wafers despite the mismatch between the chip shape and the wafer.

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    10. Re:Why just square chips? by geekee · · Score: 1

      "I guess the obvious question, since using squares on a round wafer wastes a certain amount of silicon, is why squares? Why not build a hex grid? That would seem to maximize the usage of the available area."

      Chips are generally rectangular since they are composed of rectangualar sub-blocks. These sub-blocks are rectangular in part because transitors are laid out as retangles. Also, automatic routing tools route on a manhattan grid. Also, wire bonding tools only deal with rectangualr shapes. Flip chip bond pads are typically laid out in rectangualr grids as well.

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    11. Re:Why just square chips? by torpor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about triangles, then? Straight lines up and down, and in one (or both) diagonal directions.

      Indeed, and in fact, this is one of the reasons why we need the International Space Station, because as it turns out, certain crystallization/sillication (whatever its called, apologies to the chemists...) processes, in a micro-gravity environment, are a lot easier to control in a fashion which produces high-yield, multi-dimensional composite core materials. At micro-nano-levels, gravity definitely takes its toll ... in space, presumably, things can be done a little 'smoother' without having Earth tugging at your bits and pieces ...

      ISS gives us more details on how to control some of our common processes for constructing these sorts of materials, and the more we know about that, the easier it'll be to build the orbiting CPU-factories that will then lead the way to nano-assemblies and beyond ... ;)

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  25. obligatory family guy reference... by wwest4 · · Score: 1

    Mr. Weed: "I shall call you Eduardo!"

  26. Re:near-first post by djxploit · · Score: 0

    HAHAHA u fool HAHAHAHA well done no seriosuly well done! LOL absolute fool....

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  27. The Silicon Fairy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You leave some silicon under your pillow and the next morning you will find the processor she leaves you. She is a little behind the times, still making Slot 1 types. Stupid bitch.

  28. Re:near-first post by Spudley · · Score: 2, Informative

    Technically, East Germany was 2nd World, until unification.

    The term "3rd World" was coined to describe the rest of the world, after NATO and the Warsaw Pact nations, which were implied to be the first and second worlds respectively.

    Although that definition didn't stick, the phrase did, and quickly came to take on the meaning that we all know, since most of the nations it included were desperately poor.

    (Here endeth the history lesson ;-) )

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  29. This doesn't make sense... by James+Lewis · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Why not just use one big piece of film to expose the entire wafer at once? The problem is focus. As any photographer knows, the bigger the picture the blurrier the image. That's why big-screen TVs don't look so great up close. Chip images need to be ultra sharp, so a blurry "mega mask" wouldn't cut it."

    I thought big screen TVs were "blurry" up close because they had fewer pixels per area. Besides... in this case, you wouldn't be making the image bigger, you would just be making a LOT of tiny images at once. Can someone either explain how his explaination makes sense, or what the real reason is?

    1. Re:This doesn't make sense... by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess focus could certainly be a problem, but as far as wafer sized masks go, if you're creating a mask that costs many thousands of dollars, you're far less likely to have a defect in the mask if the mask is only the size needed for one die, and not the entire wafer. And since certain masks are not 1:1 masks but 2:1 or 4:1 masks, you'd might need a 1200mm mask for 4x a 300mm wafer. A 1.2 meter mask. See a problem?

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    2. Re:This doesn't make sense... by lrucker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It doesn't make sense. For one thing, they don't even expose the entire mask at once - most machines do it in "stripes", after the original data was "fractured" (I work on the CATS fracture software). For another, it left out the problems involved in making the mask itself - one glitch, and you've got a $5000 perfectly flat glass paperweight. Making a mask to cover the whole area multiplies those problems.

    3. Re:This doesn't make sense... by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      The mask has to be perfect and the camera which prints the mask on the wafer has to be perfect.

      When chips were made with four or five micron lines on them on six inch wafers you could make a mask out of a piece of glass with all the chips on it patterned in chrome. Even then about 15 years ago the camera which shone a light through this mask had to scan across the wafer. The wafer and the mask sat on a U shaped chunk of metal and the lenses and light source sat there as the U swung through the sweet spot of the lamp and lens and a narrow slit of light scanned across the wafer. No optics on this planet could focus the whole mask across the whole wafer at once.

      To get to narrower lines the problem is that the optics cannot focus the mask at the edges, any slight temperature change causes the mask to expand or contract and ditto the wafer, hence a missmatch between layers.

      To print anything smaller a new technology was developed to solve this alignment problem, the stepper. A stepper has a mask with a few or only one chip on it and the mask, lens and the light are stepped across the wafer, or to be more accurate the wafer is stepped underneath the camera on a laser interferometer driven table. and at each step the camera looks for alignment marks on the wafer and jigs the wafer around until it is aligned to the layer below. Because the mask is smaller and the area being exposed at any one time is smaller then the misalignment problems can be overcome.

      Up until recently it has been acceptable to use visible light and a mask that looks like the pattern of wires or whatever you are printing on the wafer. However the lines in todays microprocessors are smaller than visible light. This means that becase of the wave like nature of light there are interference patterns produced when you try and shine a light on such narrow lines on a mask. This means that the image projected onto the wafer ends up missing some bits and having extra bits of lines where they shouldnt be. The solution to this was to use light at higher and higher frequencies to start with - hence the ultraviolet stepper and even electron beams driven like the dot on a monitor to write out the circuit - the wavelength of an electron beam is way higher than light which is good but it takes ages to write out all those millions of transistors. (Electron beam writers have always been used to make masks since the very very early days).

      To get round the wavelength of light problem we now have masks which are written as a kind of interference pattern themselves (- I think this is what the article means by fuzzy masks). Shine light through this pattern of lines with missing bits and extra bits and the wave patterns reconstruct themselves at the surface of the wafer into the pattern of the microprocessor that we wanted.

      I think that the length of this explanation probably shows why the article is confusing on this point - there's a lot of detail missed out :-)

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    4. Re:This doesn't make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lithography tools are the most expensive pieces of furniture in a fab. And of those tools, the LENS is the major factor. A single lens that can expose one small field can costs up to 10 million dollars. The lens manufacturing grow exponentially with field size, so there is your reason why a wafer is exposed in parts.

      The same cost factor holds for the masks. A bleeding edge mask can cost up to 100,000 dollars. (And you need several to make a product)

    5. Re:This doesn't make sense... by DigitalLogic · · Score: 1

      Exposing the whole wafer was something done in the past. But now the geometries are smaller, so the image that light passes through onto the wafer is bigger. The image is stepped one at a time from a larger image and the image is made so much smaller that the focal plane becomes important. You cannot focus to far above or below the resist before the image becomes fuzy; so, to copy that process all at once would require a huge space for all the images and would required a huge lens (the lens is already huge for just one pattern). This just isn't practical and may not be possible. In places where the geometries are not critical, there are still some steppers that nearly expose all at once. They may have 4 or 9 squares of repeated patterns.

    6. Re:This doesn't make sense... by Epi-man · · Score: 1

      Actually, the common reticle is a 5x reticle. I used to work with both 1x (whole wafer) and 5x reticles, let me tell you, that could get confusing when dealing with both at once!

    7. Re:This doesn't make sense... by platem · · Score: 1

      Yes. That is a problem. Mask prices are rising to 100k $ a mask.

      But it is not the real issue. What is the showstopper for doing a one-flash image is the lens in the wafer stepper or scanner.

      You see, the lens is the most capital part of a stepper/scanner (stepper/scanner would be the camera in the classic photography analogy - which is in itself one of the most capital tools in any fab).

      It has an usable field size of around 28 square mm. Way too small to do a wafer at once.

      The work around is, of course, to illuminate many small pieces of wafer one by one (such a piece of equipment is called a wafer stepper) or do a stroke of the whole wafer in one contignious scan (a step and scan system or scanner). While this adds costs to the equipment in general (for a stepper it is really difficult to know where it is projecting its image relative to the wafer - takes lots of interesting engineering) it is way more viable than devising a lens wich works equally well for all regions of something the size of a large pizza.

      /me develops control software for wafer steppers

  30. ESP by AvengerXP · · Score: 2

    "Embedded Systems Programming magazine"

    Isn't this a tad specific? Why not a magazine about processors period? Is that too big? Just how much content can you have being specific about Embedded Systems Programming. Seriously, I'm asking.

    And if it's about Programming, why is this an article about processors? I'm so lost, and i don't think it's my fault this time. Flame away boys i'm bored.

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    1. Re:ESP by elflet · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Just how much content can you have being specific about Embedded Systems Programming

      A huge amount. Many embedded systems have real-time requirements, tight memory-space limitations, and a much lower tolerance for failure than desktop systems. If you're talking about a comsumer embedded device (e.g. a cellphone), you have to deal with power management as well. There are multiple operating systems to choose from, several types of processor architectures (including the Harvard Archirtecture typified by Intel's old 8051 family that has entirely separate memory spaces for instructions and data), and several buses specific to embedded systems work.

      Why should this matter? There are several embedded systems in your car, and I'm sure you'd be mightily ticked if your car just stopped working randomly. On a more mundane level, what about programmable thermostats or the security card readers where you go to work? That's not to mention the mission-critical embedded systems in aircraft and medical devices.

    2. Re:ESP by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      Just how much content can you have being specific about Embedded Systems Programming. Seriously, I'm asking.

      Well, having read ESP for at least 10 years, perhaps I can answer.

      A lot!! The amount of Desktop CPUs sold is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of embedded CPUs. Look around the average house and compare the number of "computer controlled" items versus the number of desktop (i.e, Windows, Linux, Mac) computers. Just in my living room alone I can think of the thermostat, X10 lighting controllers, VCR, DVD, CD, TV. Now think of all the various types of hardware those CPUs need to interface to and the varying levels of system cost and you begin to see that embedded design spans a huge range of complexity. The skillset of a versatile developer needs to encompass issues ranging from electrical engineering to object-oriented design, to low-level systems programming, to digital signal processing and sometimes even mechanical engineering (e.g., the code shut off the pump, but inertia keeps the liquid moving for a while), depending on what the product is. Remember, we're usually developing code for hardware that isn't even debugged yet!

      My own career has spanned the range from medical instruments running on Pentium processors with over 1MLOC to power controllers running on tiny sub-1k (that's kilobyte) processors with 100 lines of assembly code. In one case to e.g., read temperatures, I may have a custom designed hardware interface that cost over $500, in the other, I have to understand and use the electrical properties of a resistor, capacitor and diode (total cost about $.05) to do something similar in order to meet target costs.

      Yes, it's worth having an entire magazine devoted to the subject, even as that magazine gets thinner because more and more of its content is moving onto their website. In fact, I wish there were more like it. I have years of backissues because there is so much valuable information I would hate to lose.
  31. Obligatory Simpsons Quote by Aqua_Geek · · Score: 1

    Ralph: IBM and Apple were in the closet making processors and I saw one of the processors and then the processor looked at me.

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  32. Don't you mean... by platipusrc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sometimes, when a CPU and a CPU socket meet in the middle of a back alley...

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    1. Re:Don't you mean... by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      ...and the CPU has just scored some primo coke... I see where you're going.

      Yea that's probably more the reality of it.

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  33. Projection blur by Atario · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think he's talking about the fact that focus is consistent on a sphere, not a plane. Since the chips are flat, the image you project on them is only perfectly focused on a circle (the intersection of the perfect-focus sphere with the plane of the wafer). You can see this happen with regular slide-, TV-, or film-projection as well.

    It sounds like they focus the center exactly and let it get blurry the further out you go (this is the case where the plane is tangent to the sphere -- a zero-radius circle of focus, which is of course a point). I would think they would set the cicle to be larger in order to get more area of better focus, but maybe having some blurring in the center screws up their designs more.

    Dunno, IANAMCFA. (Dare anyone to figure out what that one meant.)

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    1. Re:Projection blur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Dunno, IANAMCFA. (Dare anyone to figure out what that one meant.)

      IANA Microsoft Certified Fucking Assistant?

    2. Re:Projection blur by Atario · · Score: 1

      I actually meant "IANA Micro Chip Fab Architect", but that's true too.

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  34. Wafer Diameter? by Betelgeuse+on+Ice · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmmm, and all this time I thought 200mm wafers were 8 inches and 300mm wafers were 12 inches. Maybe the author is a former NASA engineer...

    And I agree, clean rooms are no fun. Ever trying typing on a plastic-coated miniature keyboard with two pairs of gloves?

    1. Re:Wafer Diameter? by No.+24601 · · Score: 1
      Hmmm, and all this time I thought 200mm wafers were 8 inches and 300mm wafers were 12 inches.

      MmmmmM wafers.. mmmmm

  35. Too elementary... by sharkb8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They don't use beachsand, that's silicon dioxide (SiO2), also known as quartz.

    Pure silicon chunks are actually made from condensing a very pure Silicon gas called Silane. The chunks are broken up, and melted in a very hot furnace, with a crucible made out of quartz(usually). Any doping, or impurities to give the silicon it's different electrical properties are added at this point. Boron (B) is fairly common.

    Then, a nice perfect seed crystal of silicon is dipped into the molten silicon which starts to crystalize around the seed crystal. The growing crystal is turned and slowly pulled out of the liquid silicon as it grows to help keep it regular. The result is called a boule, or "the bologna looking thing"

    As a side note, the doping is usually too high at the top of the boule, and too low at the end of the boule, so only about the middle 25% is used.

    Then it gets sliced into wafers. etc. etc.

    1. Re:Too elementary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Where do you think the very pure silane gas comes from? Magic?

  36. Mistakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are more than a few nits...

    (1) Silicon is not sand. Sand is silicon dioxide (well, most sand). It needs to be reduced (the oxygen needs to be removed) and purified. And purified. And purified. (I believe Brazilian quartz is actually the preferred stock for silicon dioxide, rather than sand, due to its purity.)

    (2) Photo-resist does not need to be electrically conductive. It does need to be capable of resisting attack by whatever chemicals are next in the step (especially the HF). Since they're usually polymers that are either polymerized or depolymerized by the exposure, they generally are not conductive.

    (3) Current generation laser steppers are not EUV. (They are UV, maybe DUV, being slightly less than 1/2 the wavelength of visible indigo.)

    (4) One could get the impression that each chip on the wafer is processed separately at each step.

    (5) Fabs and foundries are related but distinct entities. (I personally have worked in a fab, but never a foundry.)

    (6) It's the mask that is imprinted on the wafer's photoresist, not the chip.

    (7) Moore's law is incorrectly repeated. This is especially bad because it claims to be correcting the common belief (which it probably is). Moore's law was about the economics of chip density -- the most _cost effective_ density doubles every 18 months.

    (8) I've usually heard and talked about individual die and multiple dice. (And breaking up wafers into chips is called dicing.) Maybe others call them (plural) die, but not everyone.

    (9) The 200mm wafer area calculations are wrong. A 200mm wafer has a radius of 10cm; the area is therefore (10)^2*pi ~= 310cm^2. So one won't get 986 die from a square wafer and only 279 from a round one.

    (10) Lots and lots of companies don't build their chips on the smallest feature sizes possible. Very few can afford to manufacture 90nm chips at this point, so the bulk of chip _designs_ are manufactured at .13u, .18u, or larger.

    There are probably many more errors...

    RJ

    1. Re:Mistakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Regarding "mistake" #9: try fitting 310 1cm squares on a circle with area 310cm^2. You can't do it. It's a goddamn circle. I could believe 279 as cited in the article (too lazy to figure out the math).

      Most of your "errors" are missing details at best. This article provides an excellent introduction to the technologies, so quit being so pedantic.

    2. Re:Mistakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      A few more clarifications here: I am a yield enhancement engineer at a fab here in the US. First, the wafers are silicon, not silicon dioxide. Oxidation of Si is extremely important in the process, but it is not the starting matrial. You are correct that resist being conductive is totally unnecessary. Current generation steppers are not steppers at all, they are called scanners (they scan across the reticle in one direction while also stepping across the wafer. This has several advantages). Also, current generation is usually 193nm, which is beyond DUV, but not yet at EUV. This number refers to the wavelength of light used to expose the resist, not the feature size it can create. It is very common to use "die" for multiple chips. AFAIK, nobody has volume production of 90nm chips yet, but it is very close. I could go on for days, but I think this article gives people the impression that fabrication is pretty easy. Depending on the number of steps, the cycle time to produce and test a complete wafer can be anywhere from 30 to 90 days. Compare that to the time it takes to make things like a car, and you will begin to feel like you are getting a deal on your next cpu.

  37. I seem to recall.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    While the article is a good introduction.. I think he omitted an important step in chip fab. IIRC, after you expose the photoresist and wash away the exposed sections, you need to pour a special acid which seeps into the channels of the photoresist and etches the patern into the silicon. Then you can remove the photoresist layer and move on.
    As he explained it he never mentions how the pattern get burned into the silicon. Tsk tsk.

  38. Shape of the Chip by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I guess the obvious question, since using squares on a round wafer wastes a certain amount of silicon, is why squares? Why not build a hex grid? That would seem to maximize the usage of the available area.

    But then, I suppose cutting them out would be significantly more difficult.

    What about triangles, then? Straight lines up and down, and in one (or both) diagonal directions.

    Well, NVidia discovered rotating them 45 degrees give them a diamond instead of a square. Think they're onto something?

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  39. Why the clean rooms? by kindofblue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More to the point, why are humans required at all in the manufacturing process. I would expect the entire manufacturing and testing process, from sand to plastic-encased chip, to be automated enough that people in bunny suits should not be needed. Maybe they are needed to replace the robots and fill up the supplies, but other than that, what do they do?

    1. Re:Why the clean rooms? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Satisfy the labor unions.

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    2. Re:Why the clean rooms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      You still need humans for a lot of the alignment-and-inspection work that the machines simply can't do themselves.


      Also, mostly the machines are made by different vendors, so they don't have communication protocols to "talk" to one another, or to talk to a central dispatching control system. Therefore you need operators to move parts from machine to machine, and to select the appropriate programs to run on each machine (the parts pass through each machine multiple times, getting different processing each time).


      Finally, the machines do break, and you want somebody there to intervene before several tens of thousands of dollars worth of parts get crushed.

    3. Re:Why the clean rooms? by burnin1965 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree that humans are still needed for many inspections and troubleshooting, however, that's about where it ends.

      Manufacturers are able to completely automate the entire wafer handling process. The alignment for handling and processing is many times better than what any human could do.

      And there have been standard communication protocols for interconnecting tools and systems for many years now. The two most common protocols are SECS and GEM.

      burnin

    4. Re:Why the clean rooms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who has ever worked in a fab will tell you that we are still away off from having completely automated manufacuring of IC's. All machines need to be qualified a couple of times a day. Measurement and alignment are done right after certain steps in the process. Also engineering and experiments are done right along with production, because these are the tools that are going to be used eventually for production. I have worked in a Fab for the last 4 years (made it through 3 layoffs). Plus the machines are just plain finicky someone has to pull there hair out (its hard to do in a bunny suit) and deal with them.

    5. Re:Why the clean rooms? by Slugworth01 · · Score: 1
      So-called "lights out" wafer fab operations are certainly goals for most high volume semiconductor manufacturing companies. Automated materials handling systems account for a significant component of the costs of modern 300mm fabs going up now. Current technologies for handling and movement of wafers include SMIF and FOUP (front opening unified pod) with FOUP technology dominating in 300mm fabs. The orchestration of wafer movement from tool to tool with process recipe management, advanced process control, tool maintenance and general fab operations is incredibly complicated. You have tools from different vendors that may not communicate well with each other, metrology tools that have buckets and buckets of data to manage, and incredibly low tolerance for all aspects of the manufacturing process. The fact is that full lights out manufacturing has rarely been achieved to date.

      Those sites that are able to approach lights out manufacturing are typically running stable, high yield processes and products that don't require much in the way of continuous improvements. Think DRAMS.

  40. Re:near-first post by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 0, Troll

    fuck your retard

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  41. Re:near-first post by Absurd+Being · · Score: 1

    I of course meant 2nd World AND very poor. Hence the average, or 2.5th world. However, I believe E.Germany has made an impressive recovery and is no longer either. Oh well, it's just a joke anyhow.

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  42. Whose Power PC? by marshall_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Where do microprocessors come from, Daddy?" That's an awkward question we all must answer at some stage in our careers. What mysterious process converts elemental silicon into elemental forces like Intel's Itanium or Motorola's PowerPC? Let us explore the wonder that is semiconductor creation.

    Shouldn't that include IBM?

    1. Re:Whose Power PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, I thought PowerPC was a Motorola trademark. I think Power PC (note the space) and PPC are fair game for IBM to use, however.

      (posting anon as I might be totally wrong)

  43. I have always wondered... by CrackedButter · · Score: 2, Funny

    the process of turning the beach sand into the latest and greatest
    I always wondered why people bragged about their new computer and made the comment about leaving mine in the dust!

  44. Re: Yeah well when I live in Los Angeles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah well when I live in Los Angeles...

  45. Thank you very much I enjoyed that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  46. Re:near-first post by Penguinshit · · Score: 1


    Well, it was 3rd Reich, for a time...

  47. recognizing people in bunny suits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article mentions that, with co-workers encased in bunny suits, you have to look at their eyes to tell people apart. When I worked in a fab, I noticed I became very attuned to people's body shapes and ways of moving. After working there for a while, I could subconsciously identify co-workers at the opposite end of a shopping mall, simply by the way they walked.

  48. Matching ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Because most of the cost of chip making is in the equipment, not the silicon, your profitability depends entirely on volume. It's fairly accurate to say that the first chip costs you $2 billion to make; all the chips after that are free.

    I think you`ll find that sensible people apply the "matching" principle when dealing with the cost of equipment. You spread the cost over its useful life in order to _match_ to expenditure with revenues. The method outlined would produce skewed results - which is why it is not used in the preparation of accounts.

  49. uhm... by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "is basically purified beach sand" - since when is deoxidation considered purification? "about 6 to 8 inches (200 to 300mm)" - make that 8 - 12 inches... slightly sad that such trivial mistakes/oversimplicications are made in an otherwise good article...

  50. Its not the laminar flow systems making the noise. by burnin1965 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unless you are talking about a clean room from the late 70s or the 80s, its more likely that the noise you are hearing is from the exhaust systems sucking fumes from processing equipment.

    The materials used to produce semiconductors are extremely deadly to humans as are many of the process by products.

    Pretty much every processing tool has multiple exhaust connections which remove potentially harmful fumes to a scrubbing system on the roof that removes the toxic chemicals which are then treated and disposed.

    There are other noises from the tools and support equipment but I assume you thought it was the laminar air flow filtering system because it sounded like high volume air movement. They do move high volumes of air but you don't want the air moving too fast as it will stir up any particles that may be present in the room.

    burnin

    oh, I do work in a clean room, have since 1989.

  51. Re:near-first post by flint · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are correct sir.

    And, if it's history education we're after... Sauvy, a French demographer, is generally credited with the term. He wanted to convey how Third World countries are exploited by the first and second. It was an analogy dating to the French Revolution when the first two estates (clergy and nobility) exploited the third (the commoners).

  52. Yield terminology wrong... by burnin1965 · · Score: 2, Informative

    In a semiconductor factory yield is a measure of the percentage of good die versus the total number of potential die on a wafer. It is not the measure of the total number of die produced from a wafer and is therefore not directly affected by the size of the die.

    You are correct that smaller die sizes produce more die per wafer, however, shrinking the structures in a die's circuit make it more susceptible to failure due to contamination. Therefore you are actually wrong when you state that a smaller die will yield more.

    You can think about it this way. If you have two parallel conducting poly lines that are seperated by an insulator that is 1 inch wide and you drop a penny on the insulator it is likely that the insulator will still work because the penny, which is the contaminant, is not large enough to short across the insulator. If you take that insulator and shrink it down to 1/4 of an inch and drop the same contaminating penny on it there is a chance that it will short the two poly conductors across the insulator and destroy your circuit. Take that same circuit and shrink it to 0.01 inch lines and suddenly your process that ran wonderfully is destroying every die on the wafer because the penny is guaranteed to short the circuit every time.

    So what you can derive from this is two things. First, the smaller contaminating particles are the less likely they are to destroy a die and may actually be acceptable, the smaller a die gets the more likely it will be destroyed by smaller particles and you plunge into a never ending battle of cleaning up smaller and smaller sized particles.

    Speaking from experience I watched a process that ran for 10+ years and worked fine. Once the geometries in the die shrunk to .35 microns the same process was destroying die because the tiny particles it introduced suddenly were big enough to start creating a significant number of shorts. Needless to say I had my work cut out for me as the equipment required some reengineering along with the process.

    burnin

  53. Or why even flat chips? by burnin1965 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your ideas are good, thinking out of the box, and check this out for thinking out of the box, spherical semiconductor circuits.

    Ball Technologies

    burnin

    1. Re:Or why even flat chips? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      ...spherical semiconductor circuits. Ball Technologies

      Heh heh... good one. And it got modded up as Informative instead of Funny -- I love it when that happens!

      Or maybe I just didn't poke around the ballsemi.com site enough to find the pictures of their 3-D wafer fab. :)

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    2. Re:Or why even flat chips? by burnin1965 · · Score: 1

      No there are not any pictures of a 3d fab on the website as this company is not a semiconductor manufacturer, they are a tool vendor that is working on a new concept. If you read the press releases you we learn a little about what they have acheived to date.

      Besides, I was merely pointing out that thinking up new ways of doing things is a good thing and there are others who are actively doing it. So considering that I posted a link to a company that is working on different methods of producing semiconductors it is quite informative. 3D Doritos, while very tasty, are a bit off topic.

      burnin

    3. Re:Or why even flat chips? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      If you read the press releases you we learn a little about what they have acheived to date.

      Too cool! I thought you were pulling my leg, by finding a company named "Ball Semiconductor" and suggesting that they have something to do with spherical chips. That's why I thought it was more Funny than Informative.

      I guess it's a good thing Slashdot won't give me mod points anymore! :(

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  54. Luxury! by anto9us · · Score: 1

    And I agree, clean rooms are no fun. Ever trying typing on a plastic-coated miniature keyboard with two pairs of gloves?

    That sounds awkward but you ever tried typing 2000+ lines of hex code on a ZX81?

    Santa brought me one of those, a rubiks cube, a metal detector and the 1982 Guinness Book of World Records (Train spotter's edition I think) for christmas. I think my mum must have told him I was doing poorly in school or something. I do recall though, I specifically asked Santa, at his grotto in the local Co-op, for a BMX, a swingball, a skateboard and the single "Pass The Dutchie" by Musical Youth.

    Regardless of all of that, I came to love my proper, if somewhat temperamental, little computer and after many a marathon session of learning Sinclair Basic and even some Z80 machine code I grew up to become, even if I say so myself, a very proficient IT Manager/Database Developer.

    It does make me think though, if Santa had actually brought me what I wanted, then how dramatically different my life might have been...

    And, I also can't help but think...

    what a fat, white bearded and overly jolly bastard Santa really is.
  55. Been there, done that... by burnin1965 · · Score: 1

    Smart comment, but of course its already been done.

    Perkin Elmer made a big business of selling scan aligners. They use a one to one mask and scan an arc of light across the two for exposure. Or more accurately, the mask and wafer are scanned through the arc of light.

    This works but has its own problems. And you may find this surprising but the biggest problem is focus.

    The greatest difficulty with a large mask is getting the wafer perfectly flat across the entire surface. You end up with bad focus spots all over the wafer. But this is okay for larger geometries so the scan aligners are still in service in some processes.

    Now there are several reasons why a stepper with a small mask works better but your going to be shocked to discover that better focus is one of them.

    But it makes sense when you think about it. Since you are exposing a very small area on the wafer you can focus on just that small area and you are likely to avoid focus problems across the exposed area because it is smaller. Each time you step to a new area to expose you refocus thus reducing the problems with high and low areas across the wafer. Since you can getter better focus with a stepper you can expose much smaller lines.

    No more stoning the chuck. ;) Just ask a Perkin Elmer technician.

    burnin

  56. correct by burnin1965 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    soon after the photo resist is developed it goes through an etch process which is usually a dip in a nice acid bath, or a shower in a nice acid spray, or my favorite, a plasma treatment in a vacuum chamber with RF or microwave and wonderful gases like Sulfur Hexafluoride, Hydrogen Bromide, Chlorine, Carbon Tetra-Fluoride, etc.

    But this may not always be the case. It may be headed for an implant step. A nice electron beam zaps the wafer while it is laced with boron, or arsenic, etc.

    burnin

  57. source: Roswell! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    nuf sed

  58. some neat stuff, despite you are not being serious by lingqi · · Score: 4, Informative

    * when cutting the ingots, people almost ALWAYS use a ring-blade; where the blade is on the inner edge of a ring larger than the ingot, and ingot is sliced. extra points for anyone who know why.**

    * ingots are not always "grown." (think dipping candles) there is also a technique where you start off with a polychrystaline ingot and use localized heating to progressively monocrystalize it by localized melting. The technique is similar to one of the methods of removing impurities from iron bars.

    * CMP is damn cool. I mean, it's nice and all hearing about "polish to within an atom" precision, but if you take a polished wafer, it would make the best mirror you'd ever own. Granted silicon is not the perfect reflective surface, but you won't get a mirror more accuratly shows every feature on your face. =) Otoh, when dusts and stuff DO get into the CMP machines, though, it scratches the wafer. Though you don't see it, when you trace failures on the wafer the failing gates would generally follow an arc shape (corresponding to the wafer and polishing head rotation), and from that you get the CMP machine checked out.

    random junk I thought that was kinda neat.

    ** I used to know about 3 years ago but then I forgot. so don't expect like a correct answer or nothing.

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  59. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    yea he completely skipped over the whole process of making semiconductor matirial. The silicon used it not pure silicon its doped to add impurities to change the molecular stucture of the matirial and produce the two differnt varieties of silicon semi conductor n type and p type

  60. Try that by MarkVVV · · Score: 1

    "That casts a chip-shaped shadow..." with a full mouth ;)

  61. ..And the Silicone Fairy by jigyasubalak · · Score: 0

    You leave some sand under your pillow and the next morning your boobs are one size bigger! If you want it bigger then repeat the cycle. You see, Dolly Parton ran this cycle for 5 days.

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  62. 504 Gateway Timeout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think someones processor just turned into a pile of sand!

  63. I work in a fab by DigitalLogic · · Score: 1

    I work in a fab and a lot of what is said in that article is wrong! 200mm - 300mm is 8 inch to 12 inch, do the math. Also, the yellow light is to keep the photoresist from getting exposed. However, that's old technology, the yellow light is no longer needed because the photoresist has moved to higher frequencies. I don't want to go on about how bad that article is, but it is.

  64. Re:some neat stuff, despite you are not being seri by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

    All the ingots I've ever seen (and I live right by the Motorola Museum, free admission WOOHOO!) were dipped like caramel apples. They end up looking pretty neat when completed. Like a wierd condom.

    I won't get any extra points for this becuase I'm having trouble imagining what you're saying, but if you mean the radius of the ring blade is greater than the diameter of the ingot, that's so it can slice the wafer in one clean cut.

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  65. you are a liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there are many lawsuits about birth defects and cancer from 'clean' room workers

  66. inner blade cutter by lingqi · · Score: 1

    hmm I thought my explanation is a bit inadequate.

    Imagine Xena's little tossing ring thing. Xena's tossing ring thing has the blade edge on the outer edge of the ring.

    reverse that, and put the blade on the INNER edge of the ring.

    make sure diameter of inner edge is larger than ingot diameter.

    put ingot through the center of the inner-blade ring cutter.

    proceed to cut.

    image here? ttp://www.atock.com/newproducts/

    The inner black area is the blade. stick what you want to cut through the hole and proceed to cut.

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