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Knoppix 3.3 Update, 3.4 C't Edition Are Out
hkfczrqj writes "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't edition is out (torrent here). It is supposed to have kernel 2.6!" And it does. If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way -- but note that the ct edition Knoppix boots into German (Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us") and kernel 2.4; you'll need to type "knoppix26" at startup to boot the new kernel. (You may find the excellent forums at knoppix.net helpful, too.) Update: 02/10 01:03 GMT by T : Note that the XFree version is really 4.3, not 3.4.
The download mirrors still have a packages-dvd.txt file listing all the packages of the DVD version. But is this version available for download somewhere (with DVD burners becoming more and more common, I would assume, that this image should appear somewhere as well...
Alas - the packages-dvd.txt is pretty old - does that mean, the DVD doesn't get updated any more? (Again - I think it would be a shame - it would be really great to have a really filled up live system that could be used to REALLY show off linux some more...
that's quite a step back ;)
it has 4.3
It seems like other distributions have been following in the way of Knoppix... I tried MandrakeMove but Knoppix really blows it away. Can't wait to see what Gentoo's catalyst bootCD maker turns out like... :)
Scorta futuere amo!
Distrowatch weekly has a list of distros that contain the 2.6 kernel:
# Fedora Core, development branch (2.6.1)
# Mandrake Linux 10.0-beta2 (2.6.2rc3)
# Debian unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.0)
# Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Arch Linux 0.6 (development), not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Sorcerer, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Conectiva Linux 10-TP2 (2.6.1)
# Magic Linux 1.2pre5, a Chinese desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# Berry Linux 0.36, a Japanese live CD (2.6.2rc3)
# Bluewall Linux 1.0, a minimalist distribution (2.6.0)
# JoLinux 1.0, a Slackware-based Brazilian desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# knoppiXMAME 1.2, a bootable arcade machine emulator (2.6.1)
# LinuxNetwosix 1.0, a specialist live CD for security operations (2.6.1)
# Shark Linux 1.06-beta2, a minimalist distribution for AMD-64, in early development (2.6.1)
Shut your pi hole!
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
I don't know what kind of problems you've had...
The only "problem" I've had with Knoppix was, that it didn't figure out, what kind of display resolution my Thinkpad A30P could do (1600x1200)... BUT - just the fact, that Knoppix 3.0 was able to boot off a notebook and recognize most of the hardware - that was something I found pretty impressive. Especially bearing in mind the kind of setup problems a lot of people HAVE with notebooks and their special hardware.
Also, I recently showed some people at my last job Knoppix 3.2 - and even there it booted off without a hitch on the Dell Latitude notebooks they've had in their offices...
wh000h000 fast!
i tion-january-22nd-2004.iso.README
i tion-january-22nd-2004.iso.md5
i tion-january-22nd-2004.iso
download 3.4 c't heise edition from here:
http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-ed
http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-ed
http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-ed
bandwidth saturation to be seen here
http://php.stuwo.net
Shouldn't shift and 0 yield a right parenthesis with lang=us? Because of this, I'm guessing that Knoppix actually boots into lang=not_us.
True story.
I thought I knew geek speek, but the line "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't",
with its oddly placed apostrophes, version numbers with more than one dot, *ix variation, and references to kids and corn even threw ME for a loop!
Because MandrakeMove freezes durning hardware detection and Knoppix doesn't?
Mandrake certainly doesn't like something about this setup:
Dual Xeon
Intel IHC5R w/ 875P chipset (ASUS PC-DL Deluxe)
NVidia FX5900
SATA RAID
1G RAM
--Phillip
Can you say BIRTH TAX
Well, I've had a much better hit rate. Usually it is laptops with weird video cips that don;t go, and that can be cured by turning off APM and exotic video as per the Knoppix boot help menu.
:v)
Vik
Simple question to the current people moderating this article - how can a QUESTION article be rated 'informative'? Aren't questions more about GETTING information rather than GIVING information? *g*
Anyone know how to upgrade a hard drive install to the latest kernel/features? I'm most concerned about the kernel.
This is great and all, but why would I do this when I have MandrakeMove?
I found MandrakeMove to be too dumbed down - menu items like "browse the web" for a web browser seemed to be aimed at complete newbies. It also required more input during the boot process, tho maybe that can be skipped if you save configuration.
Knoppix is definitely a better tool for power users, and still does a great job for new users (it passed the "can my parents use it" test!).
The DVD was never really publically distributed. It was created for a german conference last year sometime where it was distributed to attendees. Nobody ever seemed to have the desire and the bandwidth to put it online.
Never underestimate the dark side of the Source
But the Mac is a production machine for me, it would be bad to have something like filesystem corruption happen. It would be great if I could test it with a distro like Knoppix, but I would need it to have all powerpc binaries.
Is there such a beast?
Request your free CD of my piano music.
It would probably run faster as well since DVD's go up to 16x which is ~ 20MB/s vs CD's 52x at 7.6MB/s.
There's a conflict between your RAM blocks and your chipset.
;-)
You should either remove your chipset or all of your RAM.
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
Used to think linux would be a pain in the ass to use then I tried knoppix. I like it alot. realy simple to use. I still need to finish building my linux box thu.
Yep
On Klaus Knopper's visit to New York City. He made a special edition of the distro just for New York's LUG. You will have to find a link of it on your own (being that it will cost some poor LUGer money for the bandwidth, heh)
What a man! He really is a nice guy! We sure were thrilled and happy
Sunny Dubey
Gnome is included, 2.4 I believe.
:), I run into problems when I try to run Gnome and specify lang=us -- I just get a blank screen. My German should be enough to let me muddle through, though, soon I will see what happens when I specify desktop=gnome without trying to do it in English ...
However, on my own system (not the one I'm typing from
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
In my day, we had to write our bootable Linux cd's by hand... with only a hex editor --in German.
No, Knoppix does not include Gnome.
There are live-cds with Gnome (GNOPPIX, Morphix Heavy-Gui) but Knoppix doesn't have room for Gnome itself, just certain Gnome libraries and apps.
The c't edition (the 3.4 version) has apparently removed a lot of software (like Lyx/Latex) so that Gnome (2.4) has returned!
Never underestimate the dark side of the Source
You can get Knoppix to work just fine with your A30p:
knoppix screen=1600x1200 xvrefresh=60
'nunthin like Celestia on a 1600x1200 screen that 15" large - the perceived resolution is awsome.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
I don't understand how afraid people can be to try out new kernels..
Reboot, boot your new kernel, and you're done!
If it doesnt work, its not the end of the world. Look at the output, see where it's failing, and go back and change your config.
The c't version is German centric, of course, because it's a German-language magazine ...
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Some people on the forums at knoppix.net have said they're working on (or at least thinking about) remastering this version, and I bet an English-default version will likely come out of that. So scan those forums, and an English torrent will probably appear in the coming weeks
According to predictions there, based on previous knoppix release cycles, probably a 2.6-based official Knoppix version will come out in March or early April
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
It might be helpful to the Knoppix (and Kudzu) developers if you could send them the specifications of these machines that "don't work".
Are you sure that you are using a good CD? I have used Knoppix on at least 50 completely different systems, different brands, ages, hardware, peripherals, etc, and have had almost no issues at all. In fact I frequently have to rely on Knoppix to figure out what drivers and settings I need when I am trying to install other distributions.
Frequently, some distribution or another won't detect a piece of hardware. I simply boot Knoppix, make a note of the drivers and their parameters and then specify them manually when installing the other distribution. Most recently I tried installing SuSE on a Compaq Proliant 3000. SuSE loaded a Compaq NIC driver but it would not activate the card. Knoppix had no problem with the card, or the Compaq Array controller, DLT tape library, or anything else. But, in the case of the NIC card, Knoppix chose an Intel driver instead of the Compaq driver that SuSE had chosen. I configured SuSE to use the same Intel driver and it worked fine from there on.
Frankly I am most annoyed by the various popular distributions because they each seem to have their own problems detecting hardware yet, Knoppix repeatedly has no such problem. I am constantly asking why the various distributions don't use Knoppix' hardware detection instead. And yes, I've had issues with Slack as well.
For Christ's sake. It's version 3.3 and I still can't figure out how to install this thing on my computer.
Bow, nigger. h
Torrent for Knoppix 3.3 availible here
Karma: Bizzare (mostly affected by varying internal caffeine levels.)
English torrents for 3.3
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/
Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
If Knoppix won't work - try Slax at http://slax.linux-live.org/
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
Does anyone know if either 3.3 or 3.4 c/t have had the iswraid patched against their kernel so one can access raid arrays created by the Intel ICH5-R?
;-)
I would check but their forums are kind of slow right now for some reason
LW.
Have you ran the CD test on that drive?
I doubt it's matter of speed. More likely newer drives have better error recovery algorithms and can read the CD properly using data redundancy. Your old drive may be less forgiving on tiny scratches, fingerprints etc.
45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
knoppix toram [other options]
at boot time.
45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
It's Debian. Use Apt-get. You can find sources here:
r nel-ima ge-2.6-686
# Kernel 2.6.0
http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ke
deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0
To answer your question directly, I do not believe that upgrade functionality exists in the Knoppix distribution.
While I'm sure you can see how buggy filesystem code might cause this, perhaps you don't see how this could happen from any code in the kernel at all.
Well, one way is for a pointer error in, say, a network driver to overwrite some disk data buffers with random garbage. Then the data gets saved to disk.
I've read of this happening on the linux-kernel list.
Even journaling filesystems won't help for this. While journals can protect against power loss or crashes, the filesystems do make the assumption that any metadata committed to disk is correct.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
Probably the Serial ATA isn't supported. You'll need to downgrade to MFM drives for 100% Linux compatibility.
SUSE 9.0 can also be used with 2.6. It is packaged on the install media, but not the default, and you have to install the rpm from the CLI. Everybody who wants to use it should be able to figure out how to do that;-)
What about a distro that makes dual booting with Windows easy, for those of us who like what we see on the live cds but like to play games, or aren't quite willing to switch over completely for some other reason?
This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit.
...)
Now we've got the following live CDs:
- Knoppix; perfect geek distro, just about every geek tool in one place. The Swiss Army knife distro
- Mepis; excellent end-user distro, exactly the Linux distro for mum and dad
- Morphix; customisable distro, put whatever you want on it
IMHO, the missing one is the "live server" CD. You boot from this and you get Linux servers, not workstation tools. It should have the following features:
- stable/testing versions of all common servers (e.g. Apache, Postgres, MySQL, Zope, iptables, sshd, Postfix, courier-pop, Samba,
- support for all the server-class hardware out there (e.g. RAID cards, SCSI/SATA discs, etc.)
- when booted from CD, all servers are enabled but discs aren't mounted by default. You can have a play around with it, but you have to go out of your way to hurt yourself
- when booted from disc, all servers are disabled but all discs are mounted. Login for the first time as root and you get asked "Which of the following services would you like to enable?"...
- best-of-class GUI config tools for the servers for both Windows and Linux. Once you've installed the server, you then use the tools on the CD on a workstation to configure it
- tools to migrate existing data from proprietary solutions (e.g. email and mailing lists from MS Exchange, ). These could run on client workstations rather than on the server, if required; obviously they wouldn't automate the migration, but anything that could reduce the workload would be worth considering
- support for reading/writing configurations to USB key. Installs can run unattended using configs stored on the USB key. This would allow you to install fleets of identical servers (e.g. Web farm) quickly
I'm sure there's other requirements you could come up with, but this would let you quickly put an entire data centre together. MS in particular would find it hard to compete with this.
From what I hear, debian is going to begin merging a lot of knoppix into debian-installer once they get it to the point that it works and will install the distribution on most machines.
And for those wondering why debian just doesnt switch to using knoppix as the installer instead of d-i? The main problem with debian is that they thankfully have chosen to support 11 different archs. That means that they need an installer that will install on all those archs and that is a pretty hard task. Also they support installs over a serial port, tftp, cdroms, and bacically anything that the computer will boot off of and load a kernel. That is definately a good thing when your trying to get debian installed on a machine several hundred miles away from you.
"We Don't Need No Truthless Heros!" - Project 86
Oh wait, you'd rather just whine from the sidelines! I see, well, enjoy Longhorn when it comes out!
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
The trouble with a live server CD is that sooner or later one of those services is going to have a remote exploit (and if you're shipping with everything enabled, the chance of this is significantly increased.) And once an exploit is available, you're only a hop, skip, and a jump away from anyone who tests the CD having the contents of their hard drive trashed (or worse.)
Nice visualization of the /. effect. Daily graph explodes at posting time of parent ;-)
Morphix is awesomely customizable (you can even apt-get install new programs while it's running, and burn new sessions on the CD with the additional software to be automatically installed on future boots). But, it's not quite as slick and easy as Knoppix, and I've had a trouble or two with the hdinstall. Still, it's an excellent distro.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
(To mix a metaphor ;))
:))
"This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit."
If you're getting a torrent, you'll probably grab it faster while a lot of others are getting it, too.
Yesterday I finally joined the bittorent fad, found it worked well (that was using the OS X bittorrent client, which was dead easy to install and use
The live-server idea is great.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Buy a new CD drive. They are not expensive.
Now wash your hands.
what everyone needs is an easy-to-install, easy-to-update, and easy-to-configure linux
... /usr/local/bin/knx-hdinstall
You mean like
They should just get it over with and name the browser a symbol. Like Prince did.
:)
If anyone asks, it can be the BFKAFFFKAFBFKAPFKAM. (Browser formerly known as FireFox formerly known as FireBird formerly known as Phoenix formerly known as Mozilla)
And it'd just be a apt-get install bfkafffkafbfkapfkam away.
If you open the torrent file linked in the article in, say, Notepad, there's a message:
e ople-who-really-really-need-it-otherwise-please-ge t-the-newer-knoppix3.3/ but no idea if it will ever finish, perhaps i have to close it. 30 seeds and more than 400 downloaders will not be finished in the next hours
Hello,
there is Knoppix 3.3 in a newer version avaible, it seems to have
everything besides the 2.6.1 kernel (that is not without problems)
but is probably more up to date, here is a big list of _FAST_ ftp and http mirrors
there is also an ENGLISH edition
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/
bittorrent is here:
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/
Knoppix 3.4ct also has 2.4.23 or 2.6.1 both have the do_remap security flaw, the 2.4.24 in Knoppix 3.3 is ok.
If you are in germany you can get Knoppix 3.4 easily at about every store in the c't. (http://www.heise.de/ct)
The HD install also doesn't work with 3.4 ct edition.
The real Knoppix 3.4 will be release in a few weeks.
The torrent was only for a few people in a small irc channel (not in germany), I don't even have a seed,
just a tracker because i have a tiny server for email and web.
Regards
Christian Leber
There is still http://debian.christian-leber.de/bittorrent-for-p
P.S. there was also a link to an single http server with the complete iso, it's completly irresponsible to make such a thing public without asking before doing this!
The hard drive installer script for knoppix rocks.
:)
Just type knx-hdinstall as root and off you go.
It's easy enough that the only technical knowledge you need to get up and running is how to use cfdisk, and there's lots of uncomplicated tutorials to be found on how to create swap and install partitions.
Want to upgrade apps?
apt-get upgrade.
ta da!
Want to set up a web server with php and mysql to do some web design testing? It's already there. Just look in the distro or on the relevant web sites for the docs.
Knoppix is a great learning linux, and being able to start the distro solely from CD gives a newbie the chance to become familiar with it before they commit to a HD install. Until they're ready they can always save their settings to the location of their choice.
I'm no Linux guru, or fanatical advocate either. I just like what I see.
Postscript: Any time I travel in the future, one of these CDs will be coming with me. If I need to check my bank account info or other sensitive data you can bet I'm not doing it from an untrustworthy OS on someone elses machine. No worries of infection with keyloggers or whatever this way
Look at the cheatcodes - there is one specifically for this, I think, also one to create an image of the CD on the hard drive (NOT a normal HD install) and work from that, and the two can probably be combined - i.e., initiate the boot from the hard drive and tell it to load the CD image from the hard drive into RAM. Yes that would be quick.
Be forewarned though, knoppix toram takes a LONG time to load, even on fast drives. But if you plan on keeping the system up for a long time and not rebooting, feel free to do it. Something about having an entire operating system complete with programs loaded into RAM just smacks of hotness.
The Knoppix CD edition *does* support writing NTFS. It uses the native Windows drivers to mount the filesystem. Not the fastest approach, but reliable.
Sebastian
It supports upgrade. Easy as pie. Check knoppix.net or knopper.net forums.
kernel upgrade question
hdinstall forums
Easy way to get Debian running in record time. Mepis is another possibility. I blame them for the renewed popularity of Debian.
This isn't a troll (and perhaps a little off-topic), but I really don't see the fuss with upgrading to 2.6. The APIs are the same, the only thing that I can see that is different is module loading, but there's a tool that takes care of it automagically.
Is it just not trusting a new kernel until it's been fully hammered out in the field?
Buses stop at a bus station
Trains stop at a train station
On my desk there's a workstation....