Knoppix 3.3 Update, 3.4 C't Edition Are Out

hkfczrqj writes "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't edition is out (torrent here). It is supposed to have kernel 2.6!" And it does. If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way -- but note that the ct edition Knoppix boots into German (Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us") and kernel 2.4; you'll need to type "knoppix26" at startup to boot the new kernel. (You may find the excellent forums at knoppix.net helpful, too.) Update: 02/10 01:03 GMT by T : Note that the XFree version is really 4.3, not 3.4.

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Knoppix 3.14

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Re:Knoppix 3.14

[w00t_sargasso]

You are the first person from the /. community I have ever wanted to thwack (apart from whoever gave me bad karma...) This was childish, irritating, offtopic and irrational (no pun intended).

If the best you can do is troll, at least make it a decent one.

I declare the society for decent trolling now open! Chairman (me) now presiding

Re:Knoppix 3.14

[Anonymous Coward]

You are the first person from the /. community I have ever wanted to thwack

You must be new around here.
ID #744186? yes that figures ...

Erste poste!

[Anonymous Coward]

This is great and all, but why would I do this when I have MandrakeMove?

Re:Erste poste!

[Phillup]

Because MandrakeMove freezes durning hardware detection and Knoppix doesn't?

Mandrake certainly doesn't like something about this setup:

Dual Xeon
Intel IHC5R w/ 875P chipset (ASUS PC-DL Deluxe)
NVidia FX5900
SATA RAID
1G RAM

Re:Erste poste!

[Anonymous Coward]

If it wasn't for Knoppix, MandrakeMove wouldn't have existed. Enjoy MandrakeKnoppix

Re:Erste poste!

[mosschops]

This is great and all, but why would I do this when I have MandrakeMove?

I found MandrakeMove to be too dumbed down - menu items like "browse the web" for a web browser seemed to be aimed at complete newbies. It also required more input during the boot process, tho maybe that can be skipped if you save configuration.

Knoppix is definitely a better tool for power users, and still does a great job for new users (it passed the "can my parents use it" test!).

Re:Erste poste!

[Hektor_Troy]

There's a conflict between your RAM blocks and your chipset.

You should either remove your chipset or all of your RAM. ;-)

Re:Erste poste!

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

(it passed the "can my parents use it" test!).

That may or may not be impressive depending on what your parents do. My experience with Knoppix is that you parents have better be computer engineers ...

Re:Erste poste!

[AKnightCowboy]

SATA RAID

Probably the Serial ATA isn't supported. You'll need to downgrade to MFM drives for 100% Linux compatibility.

Re:Erste poste!

[Phillup]

I'm not sure if you are being serious or not. Can you elaborate?

I use it daily running Debian, so I'm pretty sure it is OK with Linux...

Re:Erste poste!

[Hektor_Troy]

It was a joke ...

You can't remove your chipset without ruining your motherboard, and removing all of your RAM pretty much renders the computer useless as anything but a space heater.

Re:Erste poste!

[Phillup]

I figured the second part was a joke... but wasn't sure if the first part fell within the same scope.

Thanks for the clarification.

Re:Erste poste!

[Thing 1]

SATA RAID

Hey, SATA RAID in your pocket or you just happy to--ow, stop hitting me!

Re:Erste poste!

[Anonymous Coward]

No, SATA is supported. You are having problems because the kernel is probably compiled with plug and pray(?) or some other mdk patches, and the Intel BIOS freezes. It does the same on a simple i865PERL board even after BIOS update. I made my own vanilla kernel and no more problems.

Knoppix!!

[w00t_sargasso]

Knoppix is a good concept, but not executed all that well. I have tried it on around 20 pcs and it only worked on one. The others froze until reboot. And they werent all that old......

Personally, I LOVE SLACKWARE!!! YAY!!!

Re:Knoppix!!

[beh]

I don't know what kind of problems you've had...

The only "problem" I've had with Knoppix was, that it didn't figure out, what kind of display resolution my Thinkpad A30P could do (1600x1200)... BUT - just the fact, that Knoppix 3.0 was able to boot off a notebook and recognize most of the hardware - that was something I found pretty impressive. Especially bearing in mind the kind of setup problems a lot of people HAVE with notebooks and their special hardware.

Also, I recently showed some people at my last job Knoppix 3.2 - and even there it booted off without a hitch on the Dell Latitude notebooks they've had in their offices...

Re:Knoppix!!

[vik]

Well, I've had a much better hit rate. Usually it is laptops with weird video cips that don;t go, and that can be cured by turning off APM and exotic video as per the Knoppix boot help menu.

Vik :v)

Re:Knoppix!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Then stop building your own PCs because they are not worth a shit. Ha ha ha ha...

Re:Knoppix!!

[zulux]

You can get Knoppix to work just fine with your A30p:

knoppix screen=1600x1200 xvrefresh=60

'nunthin like Celestia on a 1600x1200 screen that 15" large - the perceived resolution is awsome.

Re:Knoppix!!

[Lars T.]

And the magic words are: "not that old". Try again on 20 PCs a little older.

Re:Knoppix!!

[Ianoo]

It might be helpful to the Knoppix (and Kudzu) developers if you could send them the specifications of these machines that "don't work".

Re:Knoppix!!

[FreeLinux]

Are you sure that you are using a good CD? I have used Knoppix on at least 50 completely different systems, different brands, ages, hardware, peripherals, etc, and have had almost no issues at all. In fact I frequently have to rely on Knoppix to figure out what drivers and settings I need when I am trying to install other distributions.

Frequently, some distribution or another won't detect a piece of hardware. I simply boot Knoppix, make a note of the drivers and their parameters and then specify them manually when installing the other distribution. Most recently I tried installing SuSE on a Compaq Proliant 3000. SuSE loaded a Compaq NIC driver but it would not activate the card. Knoppix had no problem with the card, or the Compaq Array controller, DLT tape library, or anything else. But, in the case of the NIC card, Knoppix chose an Intel driver instead of the Compaq driver that SuSE had chosen. I configured SuSE to use the same Intel driver and it worked fine from there on.

Frankly I am most annoyed by the various popular distributions because they each seem to have their own problems detecting hardware yet, Knoppix repeatedly has no such problem. I am constantly asking why the various distributions don't use Knoppix' hardware detection instead. And yes, I've had issues with Slack as well.

Re:Knoppix!!

[SquadBoy]

I've run Knoppix with no problem on several brandnew Poweredge servers from Dell and several brandnew desktop machines. I think your feeding the troll.

Re:Knoppix!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Problems I've had with Knoppix 3.2 include crashes, reproducible especially with USB devices. Plugging in any wireless card will cause a kernel freeze, be it on my trusty PII BX440 system, to the flash-bang state of the art one.. still a way to go it seems.

Re:Knoppix!!

[child_of_mercy]

servers tend not to do as many weird things.

standard scsi, standard ethernet, video.

you can normally run a stock debian on em without compiling strange modules..

laptops on the other hand...

Re:Knoppix!!

[forlornhope]

From what I hear, debian is going to begin merging a lot of knoppix into debian-installer once they get it to the point that it works and will install the distribution on most machines.

And for those wondering why debian just doesnt switch to using knoppix as the installer instead of d-i? The main problem with debian is that they thankfully have chosen to support 11 different archs. That means that they need an installer that will install on all those archs and that is a pretty hard task. Also they support installs over a serial port, tftp, cdroms, and bacically anything that the computer will boot off of and load a kernel. That is definately a good thing when your trying to get debian installed on a machine several hundred miles away from you.

Re:Knoppix!!

[Anonymous Coward]

I've heard that the people who wrote Knoppix hardware detector deliberately wrote it without simplifying or documenting the code much.
The logic as it was explained to me, was that they understand it, and they don't want to maintain it for a lot of users - so they don't simplify the code. If someone else were to go over the code, and extract it to a library, than he would need to maintian it.

Re:Knoppix!!

[SquadBoy]

1u servers tend to be less odd than laptops?

You can't even install Debian on a Poweredge without non-standard boot disks. You are very confused about what I'm talking about.

DVD edition download? (more current DVD edition?

[beh]

The download mirrors still have a packages-dvd.txt file listing all the packages of the DVD version. But is this version available for download somewhere (with DVD burners becoming more and more common, I would assume, that this image should appear somewhere as well... ;-)

Alas - the packages-dvd.txt is pretty old - does that mean, the DVD doesn't get updated any more? (Again - I think it would be a shame - it would be really great to have a really filled up live system that could be used to REALLY show off linux some more... ;-)

XFree 3.4?

[whenyouargue]

that's quite a step back ;)

it has 4.3

Re:XFree 3.4?

[relrelrel]

It actually carries 4.3, a typo I imagine.

Re:XFree 3.4?

[erlenic]

I remember upgrading to 3.4 when it first came out. I was brand new to Linux, and I couldn't get X to work at all. After trying for almost two weeks, I saw a story here on /. about 3.4 being out. I checked the changelog, and there was my video card, listed in the newly supported hardware!

Re:XFree 3.4?

[Anonymous Coward]

I actually remember I was a child when I was young.

But

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it run linux?

Great tool

[drcagn]

It seems like other distributions have been following in the way of Knoppix... I tried MandrakeMove but Knoppix really blows it away. Can't wait to see what Gentoo's catalyst bootCD maker turns out like... :)

Re:Great tool

[jrumney]

Gentoo could be interesting. The main thing keeping me back from Knoppix on my laptop is that it doesn't (or didn't before, I haven't checked these two new releases) include the prism54 driver, so I'd be networkless, and it looks like its moderately painful to customize.

Re:Great tool

[MRoharr]

from the changelog, take a look at the second to last option

* V3.3-2004-02-09 (Updates)
- Kernel 2.4.24-xfs
- KDE 3.1.5 from Debian/unstable
- mozilla 1.6 from Debian/unstable
- fixed Knoppix-Terminalserver problem with new libacl
- XFree 3.4 from Debian/experimental
- removed prelink (caused memory leaks under certain conditions)
- removed for space reasons: kjots, kcoloredit
- added prism54.org drivers for wireless cards
- the usual apt-get upgrade

Re:Great tool

[FlipmodePlaya]

IMO, several distros have passed Knoppix. In my experience, SLAX, Gnoppix, and Mandrake Move have better hardware support, though each has lackings in packages. I would like to see the SuSe Live CD, it being my 'permanent' distro of choice.... I should get on that.

Re:Great tool

[Allnighterking]

Go try Mepis. It blows Knoppix away.... Tons faster.

Re:Great tool

[Allnighterking]

Yes but remember the first live gui CD ... Disk 2 of Slackware. First had it running in 1999.

Re:Great tool

[Talez]

XFree 3.4 from Debian/experimental

I know Debian is supposed to be behind but thats just plain ridiculous! :D

Re:Great tool

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you mean something like this ?

Re:Great tool

[Anonymous Coward]

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA He made a typo and wrote 3 instead of 4! Hilarious!

And it's funny because you believe Debian is always so behind. Haha. You're a comedic genius.

other 2.6 distros

[another misanthrope]

Distrowatch weekly has a list of distros that contain the 2.6 kernel:

# Fedora Core, development branch (2.6.1)
# Mandrake Linux 10.0-beta2 (2.6.2rc3)
# Debian unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.0)
# Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Arch Linux 0.6 (development), not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Sorcerer, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Conectiva Linux 10-TP2 (2.6.1)
# Magic Linux 1.2pre5, a Chinese desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# Berry Linux 0.36, a Japanese live CD (2.6.2rc3)
# Bluewall Linux 1.0, a minimalist distribution (2.6.0)
# JoLinux 1.0, a Slackware-based Brazilian desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# knoppiXMAME 1.2, a bootable arcade machine emulator (2.6.1)
# LinuxNetwosix 1.0, a specialist live CD for security operations (2.6.1)
# Shark Linux 1.06-beta2, a minimalist distribution for AMD-64, in early development (2.6.1)

Re:other 2.6 distros

[Al Al Cool J]

# Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)

This is true for gentoo-sources or vanilla-sources, but mm-sources, which is 2.6 kernel maintainer Andrew Morton's patch, is marked as stable in Gentoo on x86 for 2.6.2-rc1.

Re:other 2.6 distros

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone of those supports 2.6 as the installation kernel ?

Re:other 2.6 distros

[abartlett_219]

also, the gentoo-dev-sources ebuilds exist that are what one day will be gentoo-sources in a 2.6 version. they are marked as stable on x86. That patchset is really nice since it contains some good patches for desktop work, such as bootsplash.

You can just....

[twoslice]

Shut your pi hole!

Re:You can just....

[Anonymous Coward]

And this is coming from twoslice... Definitely deserves more than this score.

gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

wh000h000 fast!

download 3.4 c't heise edition from here:

http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-edi tion-january-22nd-2004.iso.README

http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-edi tion-january-22nd-2004.iso.md5

http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-edi tion-january-22nd-2004.iso

bandwidth saturation to be seen here
http://php.stuwo.net

Once yuo pop...

[Anonymous Coward]

teh fun never stops!!!1///

Re:Once yuo pop...

[Anonymous Coward]

popping...what's all about? Is cool, or is whack?

lang=not_us

[Deraj DeZine]

Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us"

Shouldn't shift and 0 yield a right parenthesis with lang=us? Because of this, I'm guessing that Knoppix actually boots into lang=not_us.

Re:lang=not_us

[glassesmonkey]

If you've ever used the Knoppix ISO then you'd know the en ISO has correct US keyboard and the de ISO has the german keyboard.

So when you boot this c't version up, you'll see a prompt and when you try and type "knoppix lang=us" you'll need to used the Shift-0

Re:lang=not_us

[Verteiron]

'lang=us' is what you type at the boot prompt to get US keyboard support in the OS. On the English versions of Knoppix, typing this at the boot prompt isn't a problem. On a German-booting version, typing 'lang=us' could present problems unless you know how to get the = sign.

Makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought I knew geek speek, but the line "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't",

with its oddly placed apostrophes, version numbers with more than one dot, *ix variation, and references to kids and corn even threw ME for a loop!

Re:Makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous Coward]

with its oddly placed apostrophes, version numbers with more than one dot, *ix variation, and references to kids and corn even threw ME for a loop!

So stop using ME... :)

Re:Makes no sense to me.

[berzerke]

...more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't

Remember that before you get download happy with the c't version, it is a special version that does not have all the regular programs (and stability from what I hear; it's a testing version). It being in German rather than English is not the only difference. 3.4 is going to offically be released at Cebit, which is March 18-24 this year (2004). So we've got about a month to wait for the official release.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[Anonymous Coward]

Simple question to the current people moderating this article - how can a QUESTION article be rated 'informative'? Aren't questions more about GETTING information rather than GIVING information? *g*

Upgrade HD-Install?

[saberworks]

Anyone know how to upgrade a hard drive install to the latest kernel/features? I'm most concerned about the kernel.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[w00t_sargasso]

Download the sources, compile, etc... Try checking out [kernel.org] There _may_ be something on there, cant remember.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[adrianbaugh]

For everything except the kernel apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade should work fine. For the kernel you can use pre-built packages but you'll be better off to get the source for the version you want, untar it and cd into the source directory, optionally do a make menuconfig to set up all your options, then do make-kpkg binary. Then cd out of the source directory and dpkg -i the kernel-image and kernel-headers packages.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you happen to have a sources.list that has closer mirrors than the ones that come with the 3.3? All those are in Germany, which is fine, except I am in California and I'd like a few sources closer.

knoppix.net forums were not very helpful WRT this.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[AKnightCowboy]

Download the sources, compile, etc... Try checking out [kernel.org] There _may_ be something on there, cant remember.

NEIN! Ist not how *cough**cough*. Sorry, That's not how Knoppix works. You use apt-get.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[UFNinja]

http://kernel.org ;)

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[Anna Merikin]

upgrades are tough on Knoppix. I installed 9-26-2003 on my hd and nothing from any version of Debian that depended on QT, libgnome, or GTK would install because, apparently, Knoppix uses more up-to-date libraries than even testing. Apt-get was no help there.

So I downloaded sources and tried to compile. Nothing using the x-window system -- not even Blackbox! -- would compile at all. The ONLY program I could successfully compile from source was ytree, which does not use X.

Worse, I could not get python scripts that ran perfectly on my old RH system to run, although some of the simpler binaries I compiled on RH-6.2 (including ytree) worked flawlessly on Knoppix.

To get back to your question; installing the binary *.deb kernel package alongside (not replacing) the current kernel should work perfectly. Modify lilo or grub to see the new kernel then run it to install and you are good to go.

As for compiling from source -- I wouldn't count on Knoppix on hard disk to be able to compile a kernel.

So, Knoppix on a hard drive has serious drawbacks with regard to upgrading. If you know something I am missing, let me know.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[Anonymous Coward]

As for compiling from source -- I wouldn't count on Knoppix on hard disk to be able to compile a kernel.

I have Knoppix 3.2 installed on my laptop HD and compiled the 2.6.0 Kernel without any problems. I am a complete newbie and have no clue about thgese things, basically followed the cookbook, but it worked out fine despite.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[cjthompson]

You see, a hd installed knoppix is in fact debian (testing I beleive) So look for debian mirrors and put them in your sources.list file... ie look here http://www.debian.org/mirror/list

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[Anonymous Coward]

Thats good because the only bad thing about knoppix hdinstall was couldn't get nvidia driver installed because it didn't like the kernel.
DRG55

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[w00t_sargasso]

Ehrm... Sorry. I was answering with regards to linux. And if that wasnt a flame of my knowledge, then I dont know what. What the hell is this, I write something that ISNT a flame, just pointing out limitations (see at the top of posts of this article) and it got marked a flame. Another time, I told pi-boy to shut the hell up and got modded for trolling when he posted something that was totally offtopic and irritating. Im doing it now, but where else am I supposed to do it.


If this is slashdot, then I am going elsewhere.

Re:Upgrade HD-Install?

[Anna Merikin]

That's good to know. I installed v.3.3, but I was considering going back to 3.2 hoping it will be more compatible with Debian testing/unstable.

Perhaps I will do that instead of overwriting Knoppix with RH-9, Mepis or the old, downloadable version of Libra.

Knoppix works fine, and I would definitely recommend a version that was easy to upgrade via apt-get, and which will compile x-window apps if needed.

I don't compile kernels any more, I install the binaries with package managers. I tried building monolithics, modulars, small ones, several optimizations, and the memory requirements were much the same, and no benchmarks showed any measurable difference in speed among them. None of them crashed.

The stock Knoppix kernel (v.3.3) has recorded the fastest hdparm hard disk readings of any distro I have tried. Memory figures are also tops.

Good distro. Thanks for the help.

English Torrent?

[ejdmoo]

Anybody? Bueler?

Re:English Torrent?

[SquadBoy]

English torrents for 3.3

http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/

Re:English Torrent?

[Anonymous Coward]

... or http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

the complete info about the 3.4 c't heise edition can be found here

<a href="http://www.heise.de/ct/04/04/124/">http://ww w.heise.de/ct/04/04/124/</A>

comes with 2.6.1 AND 2.4.x kernel, be sure to check c't website for extended bootcodes

Bootoptionen und -parameter
Bootoptionen
knoppix Standard-Image, startet den Kernel 2.4
knoppix26 startet den Kernel 2.6
fb800x600
fb1024x768
fb1280x1024 Framebuffer-Modus fur Notebooks mit einer Auflosung von 800 x 600, 1024 x 768 oder 1280 x 1024 Pixeln
Parameter zur Hardwareerkennung
testcd CD auf Fehler uberprufen
noscsi
nopcmcia
nousb
noagp
noddc Hardwareerkennung fur SCSI-, PCMCIA-, USB-, AGP-Gerate, Monitor abschalten
noapic
noapm
nopnpbios APIC-Controller, Powermanagement, PnPBIOS nicht benutzen
nodma DMA-Beschleunigung fur Massenspeicher deaktivieren
screen=XxY Bildschirmauflosung des Desktop XxY Pixel ...
depth=N ... mit N Bit Farbtiefe
vsync=N Bildwiederholfrequenz N Hz
hsync=N horizontale Bildschirmfrequenz N kHz
vga=normal Standard-VGA-Auflosung beim Booten
alsa ALSA- statt OSS-Audio-Treiber
blind brltty=Treiber,Device,Table Betrieb mit Braille-Terminal (nahere Informationen unter [2])
Sonstige Parameter
noswap keine Swap-Dateien/-Partitionen auf der Platte verwenden
desktop=X Desktop X verwenden (kde, gnome, icewm, wmaker, twm)
2 keine grafische Oberflache starten (Runlevel 2)
home=/dev/X permanentes Homeverzeichnis von Gerat X lesen (etwa hda1 fur erste Partition der ersten IDE-Festplatte)
home=scan alle Datentrager nach permanentem Homeverzeichnis absuchen
myconfig=/dev/X gespeicherte Knoppix-Konfiguration von Gerat X lesen (beispielsweise sda1 fur USB-Stick)
myconfig=scan alle Datentrager nach Knoppix-Konfiguration absuchen
lang=X Systemsprache setzen (us fur amerikanisch, nl fur hollandisch und so weiter)
Spezielle Bootoptionen ohne weitere Parameter
memtest Speichertestprogramm
expert interaktives Setup, Kernel 2.4
expert26 interaktives Setup, Kernel 2.6
failsafe keine Hardwareerkennung, Kernel 2.4

even more pages at c't/heise for their special knoppix 3.4 edition

<a href="http://www.heise.de/ct/ftp/projekte/knoppix/ ">http://www.heise.de/ct/ftp/projekte/knoppix/</a>

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[bfree]

The DVD was never really publically distributed. It was created for a german conference last year sometime where it was distributed to attendees. Nobody ever seemed to have the desire and the bandwidth to put it online.

Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[MichaelCrawford]

I'm interested to try 2.6 out on my PowerPC Macintosh, which I presently run Debian testing on.

But the Mac is a production machine for me, it would be bad to have something like filesystem corruption happen. It would be great if I could test it with a distro like Knoppix, but I would need it to have all powerpc binaries.

Is there such a beast?

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

Gentoo has a Linux live-cd for PPC. As far as I know it's the only one.

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[bfree]

Yep, the knoppix men in black privacy edition is a ppc knoppix derivative! You can find a list of mirrors for it here.

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[Tyrdium]

Try the Gentoo PPC LiveCD. It requires a bit of configuration (e.g. picking what WM you want), but it's not that hard. Grab it from the Gentoo site.

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[akuma624]

I have downloaded Knoppix 3.3 and run SuSe 8.0. I am still really new to linux and would like some good sites to get me going. I'm used to an XP environment. I have intro knowlege of C++ and HTML. I would love to work more with Linux but right now I just seem to run only the apps that came with the install.

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

From the MiB Knoppix site:

Required computer configuration:
- PC-Compatible, AMD or Intel x86 family processor

I don't see anything about PPC.

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

check the files on the ftp and http servers:

k-mib-ppc-beta-pre*.iso

Re:Is there a CD distro like this for PowerPC?

[bfree]

Ok, I got it slightly wrong, I'd only heard of MiB for ppc. The MiB have a PPC alpha/beta/whatever aswell as a x86 Knoppix. There's some discussion in the knoppix forums and the images themselves (as pointed out by an AC) can be found on the ftp mirrors from the original link I gave.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[calc]

It would probably run faster as well since DVD's go up to 16x which is ~ 20MB/s vs CD's 52x at 7.6MB/s.

Gnome?

[JanneM]

Is Gnome included? What version?

Re:Gnome?

[Anonymous Coward]

No, Knoppix does not include Gnome.

There are live-cds with Gnome (GNOPPIX, Morphix Heavy-Gui) but Knoppix doesn't have room for Gnome itself, just certain Gnome libraries and apps.

Re:Gnome?

[bfree]

The c't edition (the 3.4 version) has apparently removed a lot of software (like Lyx/Latex) so that Gnome (2.4) has returned!

Re:Gnome?

[JanneM]

Oh great - add my desktop environment, but remove my ability to write anything :)

Hope Gnoppix will mature soon. Has anybody good experiences with Morphix? Not sure I want to go to all that hassle without knowing if/how well it will work.

Re:Gnome?

[damiam]

Morphix is awesomely customizable (you can even apt-get install new programs while it's running, and burn new sessions on the CD with the additional software to be automatically installed on future boots). But, it's not quite as slick and easy as Knoppix, and I've had a trouble or two with the hdinstall. Still, it's an excellent distro.

Re:Erste poste! (parent paraphrased)

[Anonymous Coward]

Because MandrakeMove freezes durning hardware detection and Knoppix doesn't?

Mandrake certainly doesn't like something about this setup:

MY E-PENIS IS BIGGER THAN YOURS AND I HAVE MORE MONEY

knoppix conviced this windows guy to cross over

[cyrax777]

Used to think linux would be a pain in the ass to use then I tried knoppix. I like it alot. realy simple to use. I still need to finish building my linux box thu.

KDE 3.2

[Anonymous Coward]

Would have been nice if they added KDE 3.2 to the mix. Til then, I'll keep watching and waiting.

HEY

[Can it run Linux]

Quit wheezin' on my nug, bitch.

Re:HEY

[Anonymous Coward]

I used the cheap Indian knock-off "Does it run linux?" instead of the far superior American original "Can it run Linux?".

Re:HEY

[cbreaker]

Great, so that must mean you're employed..

Shhhhh.

[AtariAmarok]

Shhhh. I'm trying to concentrate. I know there is a message from either the Council on Foreign Relations, or MLB hidden somewhere in there. Not sure yet. Trying to figure it out....

Also (not so new) ... The Knoppix New York Edition

[phoxix]

Yep

On Klaus Knopper's visit to New York City. He made a special edition of the distro just for New York's LUG. You will have to find a link of it on your own (being that it will cost some poor LUGer money for the bandwidth, heh)

What a man! He really is a nice guy! We sure were thrilled and happy

Sunny Dubey

Where is the rest of it?

[NotQuiteReal]

I don't thing that is all there is.

Just put the rest on your own web site, and post a link to Slashdot...

Re:Gnome? [A: yup.]

[timothy]

Gnome is included, 2.4 I believe.

However, on my own system (not the one I'm typing from :), I run into problems when I try to run Gnome and specify lang=us -- I just get a blank screen. My German should be enough to let me muddle through, though, soon I will see what happens when I specify desktop=gnome without trying to do it in English ...

timothy

Bahh...

[0x12d3]

(Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us")

In my day, we had to write our bootable Linux cd's by hand... with only a hex editor --in German.

Re:Bahh...

[Anonymous Coward]

In Soviet Russia, bootable linux iso's write you!

Re:Bahh...

[Anonymous Coward]

with only a hex editor

An editor?! ooh la de da, mr posh 'moneybags' hacker.

In my day we had to use toggle switches to enter the bootloader in binary. And we had to memorise the binary 'cos we were too poor to afford pen and paper.

Kids today - you dont know you're born.

Re:Bahh...

[Caeda]

Switches! Bah, who could afford switches! We had to directly cross the terminals with our fingertips every time we wanted it to do anything! Heck of a shock but good training not to do anything wrong...

OOOOOOHHH ALL RAM

[GamerGeek]

Have you tried the "toram" cheat code on that thing? It must be amazing. For any of you who don't know the "toram" cheatcode copies the compressed file system to ram and runs from there.

Re:OOOOOOHHH ALL RAM

[Phillup]

No, I was more interested in booting off a live CD so I could work on the machine and do hard drive imaging.

I spent a couple of days trying 5 or 6 different live CD distro's... and Knoppix was the only one I could get into a shell. Most of them just froze.

Took me almost half a day to find the magic codes to get that far... Never could get X to work.

Re:OOOOOOHHH ALL RAM

[GamerGeek]

Yeah drive imaging is great, I just migrated my web server. All with just dd and ssh.

I think the command was .. dd if=/dev/hda | ssh root@othermachine /bin/dd of=/dev/hda

Of course this is all explained on knoppix.net, but since thats getting slashstormed. Here is the
Google Cache

it comes with the ct magazine

[Maegashira]

yeah, i bought it with the ct magazine. theres a big story about the usability of linux and that its ready for the desktop and such stuff we already know. there are also some tips how to take every advantage of this distribution. they really support the idea behind knoppix: to give everyone a linux who just wants to try it out. but i still would get mad if i had to work with it, because it starts from cd. so i'm using some easy to install linux -- mandrake (of course there are other easy-to-install destributions). i think there should be more efforts for the harddisk installation of knoppix and the over-all system configuration. what everyone needs is an easy-to-install, easy-to-update, and easy-to-configure linux. an easy-to-try linux makes big promotion but it isn't something to do your work with.

Re:it comes with the ct magazine

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, but it is great for recovering data after system failure. My sister had a slight(?) corrupted floppy disk. Windows wouldn't read it (always wanted to format it). I booted up Knoppix, mounted the floppy disk, and was able to retrieve some of her files (the most important one at least).

Re:it comes with the ct magazine

[Tony-A]

what everyone needs is an easy-to-install, easy-to-update, and easy-to-configure linux

You mean like ... /usr/local/bin/knx-hdinstall

Re:it comes with the ct magazine

[Cruciform]

The hard drive installer script for knoppix rocks.

Just type knx-hdinstall as root and off you go.

It's easy enough that the only technical knowledge you need to get up and running is how to use cfdisk, and there's lots of uncomplicated tutorials to be found on how to create swap and install partitions.

Want to upgrade apps?
apt-get upgrade.
ta da!

Want to set up a web server with php and mysql to do some web design testing? It's already there. Just look in the distro or on the relevant web sites for the docs.

Knoppix is a great learning linux, and being able to start the distro solely from CD gives a newbie the chance to become familiar with it before they commit to a HD install. Until they're ready they can always save their settings to the location of their choice.

I'm no Linux guru, or fanatical advocate either. I just like what I see.

Postscript: Any time I travel in the future, one of these CDs will be coming with me. If I need to check my bank account info or other sensitive data you can bet I'm not doing it from an untrustworthy OS on someone elses machine. No worries of infection with keyloggers or whatever this way :)

Re:it comes with the ct magazine

[kj0rn]

>Any time I travel in the future

Damn, I read this as:

Any time I travel into the future...

And I thought you were some sort of time lord...

kjorn

Re:it comes with the ct magazine

[Anonymous Coward]

"The hard drive installer script for knoppix rocks.

Just type knx-hdinstall as root and off you go."

Yes, knx-hdinstall rocks on knoppix, but not on the c't version.
According to the knoppix forums, with the c't version you will have to download a file and edit another one to make knx-hdinstall work.
Perhaps I will rather wait for the official 3.4.

Nice to see Gnome back into knoppix!

Argh.

[Anonymous Coward]

2 days late.
I started installing Gentoo then. And it compiles, and compiles....
emerge system: 19 of 54. AAARGH! Compiling the kernel, the X, Mozilla, and lots of lots other stuff still left.

Boot from CD

[shubert1966]

I took my first venture into Linux with the boot from CD Knoppix. I've been comfortable on every platform since Apple][ and I've worked with UNIX, but I couldn't get the Mo'fo to boot on my 1998 ThinkPad. Anyone want to save me some time and tell me if there is a known problem with IBM, or ThinkPads in specific? I know it sounds stupid, but that stuff happens from time to time on proprietary systems - so I'm asking. Any history at all w/ IBM BIOS on ThinkPad.

RTFM me all you want, just spare the cat. And Thanks in Advance.

Re:Boot from CD

[zulux]

If Knoppix won't work - try Slax at http://slax.linux-live.org/

Re:Boot from CD

[darkjedi521]

The T40, T30, T22, T20, 600E, and 600 all have no problems booting the latest Knoppix. I work at my college's helpdesk, and the laptop program has been with IBM for the last few years. Knoppix can be quite the lifesaver when windows (whatever) barfs.

Re:Boot from CD

[nofx_3]

Yes, there is (or at one time was) A cheatcode for thinkpads so that the keyboard would work properly. Just follow the prompts at boot up (if you can) or check knoppix.net for a list of cheatcodes.

XFree 3.4?

[canavan]

xfree 3.4? now that's ancient.

Thats odd...

[Cyno01]

My comp sci teacher today was asking em some questions about linux, he just got a hand me down g3 iMac and was inquiring about linux on it, i told him about yellow dog, but i wasn't sure if there was a live distro for ppc. Could anyone point me to a PPC version of knoppix or something?

Kernel 2.6

[Jondo]

If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way..

I don't understand how afraid people can be to try out new kernels..

1. Download the source from kernel.org 2. make menuconfig and set up your kernel (It only takes about 2 minutes if you are on friendly terms with lspci)
2. make (yes, this is all you need to do for 2.6 kernels)
3. copy bzImage into /boot, and make install_modules
4. update-grub

Reboot, boot your new kernel, and you're done!

If it doesnt work, its not the end of the world. Look at the output, see where it's failing, and go back and change your config.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[SharpFang]

Well...

1.2 Install updated modutils, binutils etc, which are incompatibile with old ones, so there's no easy way of return.
2.2 Go back to config and remove any modules that cause compile errors (I don't know about 2.6 but in 2.3 it was a real bane, every second kernel I tried was broken in this or that way. It took YEARS to get Amiga Fast File System fixed.)

If it doesn't work and i.e. panics on boot-up, go, get some liveCD to boot the system, because you're screwed (No old kernel - new binutils, remember?) and work out slowly what causes the error. May take several hours, sometimes including messing in the sources. Compile, install, reboot, liveCD, repair, compile, reboot... And finally start looking for old binutils to get your old kernel back to work.

Yeah, installing new kernel is an interesting and often pleasant experience. But that's not a morning coffee type task. It CAN go SERIOUSLY wrong.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

And update a bundle of user space apps that the kernel needs to boot.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[pytheron]

1.2 Install updated modutils, binutils etc, which are incompatibile with old ones, so there's no easy way of return

Building source is your friend here :-

tar xvf modutils.tar.bz
cd modutils ./configure --prefix=/opt/modutils-2.6
make
make install

Pretty simple.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Verteiron]

Or, right after step 5 (the reboot) a deep-rooted bug in your hardware or the kernel completely blows up the filesystem. Oops.

It's rare, sure, and unlikely. But it's a real risk.

Be nice to use Knoppix first, since it doesn't touch your native filesystem if you don't want it to.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[crimsun]

module-init-tools plays well with modutils-2.4 just fine. I've been alternating 2.4 and 2.[56] kernels at work for quite some time.

Simply booting a new binary kernel image has no dependencies on binutils whatsoever.

And *never* remove your failsafe (eg. current working) kernel - even after your new one works.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

If it doesn't work and i.e. panics on boot-up, go, get some liveCD to boot the system, because you're screwed (No old kernel - new binutils, remember?)

The kernel doesn't depend on binutils at all in order to boot. Why should it matter whether you upgraded binutils to a version that won't build your old kernel? It's already built.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Wakkow]

I personally had no problem getting 2.6 to work.. However, of the two friends of mine that use Linux exclusively, both are having problems getting 2.6 to boot correctly. They were able to do 2.4 compiles no problem.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[MrLizardo]

Yeah...it is _so_ tough too: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

its impossible *rolls eyes*

-ChanSecodina

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

should not one use make install_modules prior to moving bzImage?

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Dave2 Wickham]

Don't even have to do that; make moveold will move the old modutils to [filename].old, then you can make install and not have to worry about which modprobe to use - it automatically starts insmod.old etc when it detects a 2.4 module.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

You upgraded Binutils when you built a new kernel? Hahaha, sucker. Maybe you should have read the documentation for Binutils so that you understood what it was before you upgraded it. The only time anyone needed to do that was when everyone switched from libc.so.5 (a.out) to libc.so.6 (ELF) and you needed the new ld and ld-linux.so.2 to load your new binaries.

Why are you upgrading Grub as well? Any version will do. Its not like Grub needs to know or care which version of Linux you're running (Or for that matter, what OS you're booting at all. As long as it is multi-boot compliant Grub couldn't care less)

Re:Kernel 2.6

[weileong]

somebody mod parent and grandparent up! genuinely useful!

Re:Kernel 2.6

[hj43us]

Yep, they still need to develop drive-in voting stations.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[Anonymous Coward]

Shut up, loser - apparently you have NOT upgraded the kernel.
Binutils have changed several times already. Most recent change was somewhere around 2.5.20 (give or take 5 of the last number) and the kernel would not compile without them. In 2.6 they are obligatory.

Re:Kernel 2.6

[SharpFang]

Yeah, sure. Copy your kernel to /boot, copy system.map, reboot. And wonder why the hell only old kernel is visible?
Did you forget something? Or do you think Grub will somehow automagically know you want new kernel?
You must update the grub bootloader. And not update as "download newer version" but update as in "reload new config file and write changes to disk". Certainly proves your experience at compiling kernels if you miss that tiny step.

(BTW, the kernel on install does launch LILO by default, but it doesn't touch lilo.conf, and it doesn't touch Grub for that matter)

Knoppix and slow CD drives

[Anonymous Coward]

I have an old slow cd drive installed on my computer, a Memorex CRW-1622. A problem I've had with Knoppix is that it won't boot up on this machine because apparently the packing/compression method it uses to put all that software on one CD is too slow for the OS to unpack when it is booting up on a slow CD drive, causing all types of errors.

I've enjoyed it on other machines though. If anyone has any suggestions for a workawhile, I'd be able to download the new version.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives

[jefe7777]

on a similar topic, does anyone know how to make knoppix load completely to ram?

i imagine this would be faster then my normal harddrive based install.

for systems with a gig or more of ram.

thanks.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives

[SharpFang]

Have you ran the CD test on that drive?
I doubt it's matter of speed. More likely newer drives have better error recovery algorithms and can read the CD properly using data redundancy. Your old drive may be less forgiving on tiny scratches, fingerprints etc.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives

[SharpFang]

knoppix toram [other options]
at boot time.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives

[trouser]

Buy a new CD drive. They are not expensive.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives

[dilute]

Look at the cheatcodes - there is one specifically for this, I think, also one to create an image of the CD on the hard drive (NOT a normal HD install) and work from that, and the two can probably be combined - i.e., initiate the boot from the hard drive and tell it to load the CD image from the hard drive into RAM. Yes that would be quick.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives

[UFNinja]

Be forewarned though, knoppix toram takes a LONG time to load, even on fast drives. But if you plan on keeping the system up for a long time and not rebooting, feel free to do it. Something about having an entire operating system complete with programs loaded into RAM just smacks of hotness.

Re:Knoppix and slow CD drives

[weileong]

hrm, you sure it's not because of read errors (i.e. CDROM drive is dying) and not a speed issue per se?

Re:English Torrent? [Will take remastering :)]

[timothy]

The c't version is German centric, of course, because it's a German-language magazine ...

Some people on the forums at knoppix.net have said they're working on (or at least thinking about) remastering this version, and I bet an English-default version will likely come out of that. So scan those forums, and an English torrent will probably appear in the coming weeks ...

According to predictions there, based on previous knoppix release cycles, probably a 2.6-based official Knoppix version will come out in March or early April ...

timothy

Re:Also (not so new) ... The Knoppix New York Edit

[Anonymous Coward]

Any chance you have a sources.list that works for a hdinstall? I managed to munge mine up pretty good trying to get sources that weren't www.blahblah.de

Still can't install

[aanand]

For Christ's sake. It's version 3.3 and I still can't figure out how to install this thing on my computer.

Re:Still can't install

[itoledo]

you don't, just reboot with the disc in the CD drive. your bios should be configured to boot from the CD first, then the hard disk. if it isn't, with newer bios you can push a key to select the boot method (cd, floppy, hd), typically F10 or F12, check your motherboard's manual and your BIOS boot messages ('Press F10 for boot options' or stuff like that).

Re:Still can't install

[Anonymous Coward]

Boot Knoppix.

From Konsole run knx-hdinstall.
Answer prompts.
Done.

Re:Still can't install

[Jaysyn]

Well either he was just being funny or he was wondering how the hell a newbie can actually install the Knoppix Distro on his PC is he likes it. Is there a GUI or wizard to install Knoppix to the PC that I never found?

Jaysyn

Re:Still can't install

[itoledo]

there's an option to install it to the harddisk. should be in the faq. never tried it.

Re:Still can't install

[Anonymous Coward]

How does it feel to be a complete fucking moron?

Re:Still can't install

[74nova]

was that intended to be funny?

Re:Still can't install

[Lothsahn]

Unless you select Reiserfs from the prompts, then the 2.4.21 kernel won't boot, as Reiserfs isn't compiled into the kernel that comes from Knoppix (it's compiled as a module on the Knoppix 3.3 CD)

I have to admit I haven't tried the new 3.3 cd yet... hopefully it works.

Re:Still can't install

[Anonymous Coward]

knx-hdinstall is deprecated, use the "knoppix-installer" script instead. Gives you the choice to do a "Knoppix" install or a Debian installation. Haven't tried it on the c't edition yet, I'm running an unmodified version.

Re:Still can't install

[grmoc]

knoppix-install

(yes)

Re:Still can't install

[Jaysyn]

It's "knx-hdinstall" actually.

BTW Knoppix runs flawlessly on a Toshiba Satellite 2140XDCS.

Jaysyn

Re:Still can't install

[grmoc]

Er, as of 3.3 you can do both.
knoppix-instll is gui based however, and even easier than knx-hdinstall

I know this because I'm running debian/knoppix on my laptop, installed from knoppix-3.3.

Re:Still can't install

[Jaysyn]

Yeah well I didn't know about the sudo part, go figure...

Jaysyn

Re:English Torrent? [Will take remastering :)]

[ejdmoo]

Ah, thank you much for the reply...I was thinking it had only german on the cd...I get it now, and so I'm downloading it. :)

Torrents for Knoppix 3.3

[hbmartin]

Torrent for Knoppix 3.3 availible here

Bad CD

[Julian Morrison]

You probably screwed up the CD burn, or bought a dud disk.

Try burning a new disk on a machine with a known good CD burner. And check the MD5 on the ISO image you downloaded.

Re:Bad CD

[frozenray]

Try burning a new disk on a machine with a known good CD burner. And check the MD5 on the ISO image you downloaded.

Boot the CD, at the bootprompt type "knoppix testcd" without the quotes. This will verify if the disk was written correctly.

iswraid

[lwells-au]

Does anyone know if either 3.3 or 3.4 c/t have had the iswraid patched against their kernel so one can access raid arrays created by the Intel ICH5-R?

I would check but their forums are kind of slow right now for some reason ;-)

LW.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[mark_lybarger]

interesting, that would be a lot of bandwidth. perhaps they could just _sell_ the dvd's. they don't have to offer free downloads. let other people host the torrent or what ever after a few people buy it. heck it's probably easier to pay 5$ than to download 4gb software.

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

download 3.4 c't heise edition from here:

And a Heil Hitler to you too my good man.

No NTFS Write Support....

[Anonymous Coward]

Too bad that Knoppix does not support NTFS write. I want it to boot up my laptop and use openoffice and other tools and be able to write files to my NTFS partition... Any ideas?

Re:No NTFS Write Support....

[Anonymous Coward]

Install Open Office on yer winders box.

Duh.

Re:No NTFS Write Support....

[airjrdn]

ROFL

Re:No NTFS Write Support....

[Wastl]

The Knoppix CD edition *does* support writing NTFS. It uses the native Windows drivers to mount the filesystem. Not the fastest approach, but reliable.

Sebastian

Re:No NTFS Write Support....

[fwarren]

You should try Linux Defender Live. Which is a modified Knoppix 3.3 distribution put out by BitDefender. A company that makes an anti-virus/firewall product.

They have modified Knoppix to be able to load r/w ntfs drivers. You have to mount the hard drive and scan for the necessary dll's, then they are loaded and the drive remounted r/w.

It is not a lot of work to remaster the CD with those dll's on the CD, then all you need to do, is boot, scan the CD for the files (very quick) and mount your ntfs drives.

Re:No NTFS Write Support....

[Anonymous Coward]

There's no spec of NTFS (particularly if you power down, and expect it to be fixed from its log when you restart). So, anyone writing to NTFS runs the risk of destroying the data on the disk, or changing it in ways they had not intended. Not many take the risk.
Use a USB storage key for what you want to do.

Notice That This Isn't Knoppix Secure *BSD

[Anonymous Coward]

Knoppix doesn't do *BSD, because *BSD is insecure -- and it's dying.

Read on for more.

Yet another awful blow has struck what's left of the *BSD community, as a soon-to-be-released report by an independent commission doing a year-long study concludes: *BSD is dead and mummified. Here are some of the commission's findings:

Fact: the *BSDs have balkanized yet again. There are now no less than twelve separate, competing *BSD projects, each of which has introduced fundamental incompatibilities with the other *BSDs, and frequently with Unix standards. Average number of developers in each project: fewer than five. Average number of users per project: there are no definitive numbers, but reports show that all projects are on the decline.

Fact: Apple is quietly changing the base kernel for OS X from *BSD to Linux. Insiders report that Apple's technical leadership has grown tired of the licensing battles and is seeking a more modern license; they find Linux's license more appealing. Many Apple technology experts -- from OS developers all the way up to Steve Jobs -- find Linux to be a more advanced OS, which will enable Apple to release a more mature product. The frequent hallway arguments and fistfights among the *BSD developers Apple has hired has also contributed to the decision.

Fact: XFree86 is dropping support for *BSD. The remaining core group believes that the *BSDs have strayed too far from Unix standards and have become too difficult to support along with Linux and Solaris x86. "It's too much trouble," said one anonymous developer. "If they want to make their own standards, let them doing the porting for us."

Fact: Many user-level applications will no longer work under *BSD, and no one is working to change this. The GIMP, a Photoshop-like application, has not worked at all under *BSD since version 1.1 (sorry, too much trouble for such a small base, developers have said). OpenOffice, a Microsoft Office clone, has never worked under *BSD and never will. ("Why would we bother?" said developer Steven Andrews, an OpenOffice team lead.)

Fact: servers running OpenBSD, which claims to focus on security, are frequently compromised. According to Jim Markham, editor of the online security forum SecurityWatch, the few OpenBSD servers that exist on the internet have become a joke among the hacker community. "They make a game out of it," he says. "(OpenBSD leader) Theo [de Raadt] will scramble to make a new patch to fix one problem, and they've already compromised a bunch of boxes with a different exploit."

Fact: NetBSD, which claims to focus on portability (whatever that is supposed to mean), is slow, and cannot take advantage of multiple CPUs. "That about drove the last nail in the coffin for BSD use here," said Michael Curry, CTO of Amazon.com. "We took our NetBSD boxes out to the backyard and shot them in the head. We're much happier running Linux."

Fact: There are almost no FreeBSD developers left, and its use, according to Netcraft, is down to a sadly crippled .005% of internet servers. "It's just not reliable," said Christine McGee, VP of Technology for eBay, Inc. "Nor do we find it a very modern OS. I would recommend Linux to anyone contemplating a server OS, or maybe Windows, before I would recommend a BSD."

Fact: DragonflyBSD, yet another offshoot of the beleaguered FreeBSD "project", is already collapsing under the weight of internal power struggles and in-fighting. "They haven't done a single decent release," notes Mark Baron, an industry watcher and columnist. "Their mailing lists read like an online version of a Jerry Springer episode, complete with food fights, swearing, name-calling, and chair-throwing." Netcraft reports that DragonflyBSD is run on exactly 0% of internet servers.

With these incontroverible facts staring (what's left of) the *BSD community in the face, they can only draw one conclusion: *BSD is dead and mummified.

Apt-get

[FreeLinux]

It's Debian. Use Apt-get. You can find sources here:

# Kernel 2.6.0
http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ker nel-ima ge-2.6-686

deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0

To answer your question directly, I do not believe that upgrade functionality exists in the Knoppix distribution.

Re:Apt-get

[tahtalim]

To answer your question directly, I do not believe that upgrade functionality exists in the Knoppix distribution.

Why is that?

One of my PCs has Knoppix installed for more than 7 months now, I never had any problem with upgrade or dist-upgrade other than KDE.

Actually the configuration on that desktop is very similar to my Debian/Testing installed laptop thanks to apt-get dist-upgrade.

As you said, it is still Debian, which make it rule.

Re:Apt-get

[Anonymous Coward]

Knoppix does support upgrade functionality. You just need to follow the instructions at: http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemas teringHowto

Then you can make your own flavor of knoppix, add the apps you want... etc.

Re:Apt-get

[dJCL]

Just out of curiosity, I just thought of this now and have no clue if anyone has throught of/done it, is there something out there like a cross between apt-get and bittorrent? Allowing bandwidth savings for the debian group(even thou I've never had slowdowns from there, probably due to apt-get running in the middle of the night.) and letting that money be put to better use...

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled ... um ... something ...

Here's your answer: corrupt filesystems

[MichaelCrawford]

One reason to be afraid to try out a new kernel is that a bug in any of the kernel code can result in a corrupt filesystem.

While I'm sure you can see how buggy filesystem code might cause this, perhaps you don't see how this could happen from any code in the kernel at all.

Well, one way is for a pointer error in, say, a network driver to overwrite some disk data buffers with random garbage. Then the data gets saved to disk.

I've read of this happening on the linux-kernel list.

Even journaling filesystems won't help for this. While journals can protect against power loss or crashes, the filesystems do make the assumption that any metadata committed to disk is correct.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[Anonymous Coward]

Somebody rate the parent "Informative". You know you want to...

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

hello there?

Lucky you!

[Anonymous Coward]

We had to carve the digital depressions in a molten-sand glass CD with a stone knife, not to mention start the laser beam with sparks from flintstones!

Despite that, those were good times... there were no windows, just holes... hmm, nothing changed, it seems...

SUSE as well

[jmt(tm)]

SUSE 9.0 can also be used with 2.6. It is packaged on the install media, but not the default, and you have to install the rpm from the CLI. Everybody who wants to use it should be able to figure out how to do that;-)

Re:SUSE as well

[dremspider]

What is this CLI you speak of? I am interested, I am a proud owner of SUSE 9.0. I currently use apt-get for most of my updates, including kde 3.2 which rocks, get it, it is so much faster. Anyway.. I did some preliminary googling and came up with nothing so a link, anything would be appreciated.

Re:SUSE as well

[dremspider]

p.s. The test 5 doesnt count, is their an rpm of the official 2.6

Re:SUSE as well

[Anonymous Coward]

CLI= command line interface... nah... you must be joking.

What About....

[DanthemaninVA1]

What about a distro that makes dual booting with Windows easy, for those of us who like what we see on the live cds but like to play games, or aren't quite willing to switch over completely for some other reason?

Re:What About....

[NEOtaku17]

SuSE is incedibly easy to use as a dual boot with windows. Pop in the WinXP cd and boot from it. Reformat your HD(warning this will erase all your data on the drive) and partition how much of the drive you want to be accessed by Windows and then install windows on that partition. Leave the rest of the HD unpartitioned. Then boot from the first SuSE install disk. From there it will hold your hand through the whole dual boot process where you will: 1.Choose your boot loader(lilo or grub) 2.Partition the rest of your HD for use with Linux. 3.Install SuSE on the Linux partition. After it's pretty little setup process when you boot up the computer it will greet you with a very clean and easy to navigate(press the up and down arrows) menu of what operating system you want to boot, and after you select what you want and hit enter it will promptly load the OS of choice.

Re:What About....

[Erwos]

Here's a hint: anything involving reformatting your hard drive should not be described as "incredibly easy to use". It's real easy to nuke a drive - it's less easy to back everything important off it.

-Erwos

Re:What About....

[Anonymous Coward]

Four words: Hard Drive Swap Rack.
Dual booting causes more problems than it's worth, and with cheap hard disks dual booting makes as much sense as trying to partition a floppy.

Re:What About....

[Blain]

I'm not sure what you mean. Doing an hd install of knoppix on a system that has Windows installed automagically sets up LILO (if not totally automagically, then with one of those prompts easily forgotten in the hd install process), and then the system boots with the option of Windows or Linux (or whatever else you might have hanging around your system).

I don't know what could be easier.

Fuck

[Anonymous Coward]

Why do you need all that shit to play bsd-games?

Re:Fuck

[Phillup]

Probably shouldn't feed the trolls, but...

Have you ever ran several W2K instances in VMWare at the same time? While trying to get real work done?

I develop web apps... and I have to check against several versions of IE along the way. This is the most cost effective way.

I've got my develpment environment running apache, mod_perl and MySQL... quanta, GIMP and Mozilla... and a couple of instances of VMWare w/ 256M RAM each... running most of the day.

You'd be real surprised how fast you can load down a good box.

Re:Fuck

[mixmasta]

Vmware shouldn't load you down unless the vm's are actively computing or you don't have enough ram.

Testing web pages shouldn't do either. w2k doesn't need 256mb generally, maybe you can free up some ram.

Re:Still can't install- actually you can

[Anonymous Coward]

After you boot the CD and have it running, you can
run knxinstall (ymmv, the name has shifted a bit)
to get a script that will install onto the hard
drive.

You can also install "halfway", and put the CD files
onto the HD, and use it from there as if it were the
CD. You really should see the knoppix web sites if
you want to make a permanent install. The original knoppix
was aimed at demo use, and the HD install was minimal.
There have been improved versions added.

The lineup is nearly complete...

[darnok]

This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit.

Now we've got the following live CDs:
- Knoppix; perfect geek distro, just about every geek tool in one place. The Swiss Army knife distro
- Mepis; excellent end-user distro, exactly the Linux distro for mum and dad
- Morphix; customisable distro, put whatever you want on it

IMHO, the missing one is the "live server" CD. You boot from this and you get Linux servers, not workstation tools. It should have the following features:
- stable/testing versions of all common servers (e.g. Apache, Postgres, MySQL, Zope, iptables, sshd, Postfix, courier-pop, Samba, ...)
- support for all the server-class hardware out there (e.g. RAID cards, SCSI/SATA discs, etc.)
- when booted from CD, all servers are enabled but discs aren't mounted by default. You can have a play around with it, but you have to go out of your way to hurt yourself
- when booted from disc, all servers are disabled but all discs are mounted. Login for the first time as root and you get asked "Which of the following services would you like to enable?"...
- best-of-class GUI config tools for the servers for both Windows and Linux. Once you've installed the server, you then use the tools on the CD on a workstation to configure it
- tools to migrate existing data from proprietary solutions (e.g. email and mailing lists from MS Exchange, ). These could run on client workstations rather than on the server, if required; obviously they wouldn't automate the migration, but anything that could reduce the workload would be worth considering
- support for reading/writing configurations to USB key. Installs can run unattended using configs stored on the USB key. This would allow you to install fleets of identical servers (e.g. Web farm) quickly

I'm sure there's other requirements you could come up with, but this would let you quickly put an entire data centre together. MS in particular would find it hard to compete with this.

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[jasontheking]

>IMHO, the missing one is the "live server" CD. You boot from this and you get Linux servers, not workstation tools.

I'm doing this right now. I'm basing it off knoppix , just because that's what I've done before. Its a pain in certain areas, because /etc is read only , and stuff like ifup wants the /etc/network directory to be read-write. So I had no choice but to make a tmpfs filesystem , copy the /etc/files onto it , and use "mount --bind /newetcdir /etc" to trick knoppix into using it. (thanks to the guys on #knoppix for recommending this)

Unfortunately /etc/network isn't being handled properly by mount --bind, and I won't have a choice but to get someone to run a script to copy the files in the right place , and ifup eth0, so I can dhcp3-server. (/var isn't read/write either , so I had to make a leases file /etc/leases , and add "-lf /etc/leases" to /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server)

Apache runs fine, so pointing DocumentRoot to a place on the CD means you can load up local copies of web pages (even if they have flash animations - I've got the flash plugin installed so konq/mozilla can find it)

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[MyHair]

KNOPPIX already has sshd, Apache, ftpd, tfptd, nfsd and dhcpd at the very least. Sure, they don't fire up automatically at boot, but I suspect that's for the reasons osmethnee mentions above.

The KNOPPIX terminal server feature fires up dhcpd, tftpd and nfsd with a setup wizard, although it's set up for remote booting KNOPPIX.

To fire up the others, use the Debian-style init scripts like /etc/init.d/sshd start. But with sshd and some of the others you have to delete /etc/hosts.allow and/or /etc/hosts.deny and possibly restart inetd (/etc/init.d/inetd restart).

Since KNOPPIX already has the dhcp server working, I wonder what they're doing differently than you. I notice that you can delete (and presumably create) symlinks in /etc, so instead of mounting /etc perhaps you can symlink your config files from /ramdisk/foo.

I believe you can make your own init script that would automate the symlink operations and file copies and daemon startups for you without remastering KNOPPIX. I've seen it referenced in KNOPPIX forums somewhere.

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[darnok]

You're right that configuring servers is achievable from Knoppix; it's just that you wind up with a machine full of unwanted stuff (e.g. OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc.) that you don't want lying around on a server.

You need some sort of script to remove that stuff, but there's (from memory) about 1000 packages that get written to disc when you install Knoppix from a CD, and it seems a bit silly to install that many then delete 90% of them. The risks of screwing up somewhere would be too high.

Responding to my own earlier suggestion, maybe a better overall approach would be to install an absolute bare-bones system via a "Knoppix server" CD, then have scripts on that CD to add a whole bunch of server packages from that same CD. You'd want both a GUI and a "scriptable via USB key" way of selecting which packages to install, followed by "Do you wish to download and install security updates?" at the very end of the process.

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[KermitJunior]

That's kinda the point of Morphix. There is a base install, and you simply insert mini-modules or main-modules for what you need and "Morph" your new disk ISO to burn.

Just make a "Server Main Module" with the services you want, morph into the base (that uses knoppix hw detection) and presto! You're own LiveCD

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[Mr.Ned]

Devil Linux is what you're looking for.

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[MyHair]

I got confused and responded to two people in one post. Some of the stuff in this post is in response to you.

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[MyHair]

Okay, I think I see what you're saying now: You want a Live CD that can run Apache, db's, Samba, etc. and also be able to install them permanently, and it will all be wizard/q&a based (with scrpting option) rather than all-ports-open by default.

The first time I read your post I went into security paranoia mode thinking about a Debian/testing flavor of KNOPPIX with all services running on startup. I also couldn't figure out why someone would really need a LiveCD server daemon.

But your idea is a tool for someone who wants a turnkey web server, for example. That could be very useful. Turnkey DHCP server, turnkey Samba server, turnkey proxy server, turnkey caching DNS server, turnkey NAT (okay, CoyoteLinux has that covered), turnkey LDAP address server...I'm starting to think of places these things could be useful both as LiveCD ad-hoc temporary configurations and as 'permanently' installed configurations.

I'm interested now. I think I might know enough to be able to figure out how to put something like that together. I'll just need someone who can create the cool distro graphics :-) .

Re:The lineup is nearly complete...

[Munra]

...and it could be called Servix.

Oh - wait...

Manta

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

there is nobody out there

MOD PARENT UP AS INSIGHTFUL.

[Anonymous Coward]

Well said.

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

http://linux.is.analdeluxe.de/

You sound like a volunteer

[Gothmolly]

Oh wait, you'd rather just whine from the sidelines! I see, well, enjoy Longhorn when it comes out!

Re:You sound like a volunteer

[darnok]

Not true. There's more than one way to contribute.

I'm happy to pay for these distros unless/until I've got time to contribute to their creation. Provided my parents like it, Mepis will be getting some funds from me after I install it for them this weekend to replace their continually broken Windows system. A few dollars out of my pocket is well worth it to give them a system that works for more than a few weeks without encountering new problems.

I'll also happily test these distros on server-class systems and give feedback as appropriate, from the background of someone who's been working in the industry for >20 years and who knows how corporate IT systems need to work.

I'd be *much* happier learning how to build one of these distros myself, but there isn't enough time in the day to do so at present. Funny how having kids will do that to you.

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

[Anonymous Coward]

Asshumper.

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

>bandwidth saturation to be seen here

No. No it's not. :)

The browser timed out while trying to connect to the specified site. The site may be experiencing high loads that are slowing it down...

Full 3.4 scheduled for March 18th-24th

[sgtsanity]

Actually, the first fully official version of Knoppix 3.4 is slated to come out at CeBit (March 18-24), as per Klaus Knopper's mailing list message.

Gentoo is not stable, at all, period.

[Anonymous Coward]

Not for production.

The trouble with a live server CD...

[osmethnee]

The trouble with a live server CD is that sooner or later one of those services is going to have a remote exploit (and if you're shipping with everything enabled, the chance of this is significantly increased.) And once an exploit is available, you're only a hop, skip, and a jump away from anyone who tests the CD having the contents of their hard drive trashed (or worse.)

Re:The trouble with a live server CD...

[darnok]

That's why I'm suggesting disabling the servers if you've booted from hard disc. Disabling the servers means exploits won't be effective.

Debian seems to have the best mechanism for distributing security updates; it's free (both of cost and painful licencing conditions), simple and appears to work very well.

Maybe there should be a step in there "Do you wish to download the latest security updates?" at install time.

Re:The trouble with a live server CD...

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

Depends how you do it. In the traditional Knoppix sense, sure. But what if rather than having just the server OS be on the cdrom, your entire website was a cdrom? Just burn your updated cdrom, mail it to your NOC, they slap it in and reboot. Any exploits are limited to denial of service as its all readonly. Obviously wouldnt work for all situations, but could be really useful for some. Think rolling back an update being as simple as swapping a cd.

Mozilla vs Firefox

[sofakingl]

Mozilla 1.6 isn't bad, but I'd rather see Mozilla Firefox added to Knoppix. That's the one of the few must-have programs that Knoppix is missing right now, and would increase the value of this distro if it was included.

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[graf0z]

bandwidth saturation to be seen here http://php.stuwo.net

Nice visualization of the /. effect. Daily graph explodes at posting time of parent ;-)

/graf0z.

strike while the torrent is hot!

[timothy]

(To mix a metaphor ;))

"This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit."

If you're getting a torrent, you'll probably grab it faster while a lot of others are getting it, too.

Yesterday I finally joined the bittorent fad, found it worked well (that was using the OS X bittorrent client, which was dead easy to install and use :))

The live-server idea is great.

timothy

Links to Download ISO Image via other p2p networks

[patelbhavesh]

Here are the links to the knoppix ct' ISO image if you want to download from p2p networks like edonkey,gnutella,kazaa 1>MAGNET programs (many Gnutella programs ) magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:XORFDKAHZGNEESRPVVIEDJZ55OBZD4 KP&dn=KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso 2>EDonkey2000 and Overnet: ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|719181 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c| 3>Older versions of Kazaa / Grokster / IMesh (requires sig2dat utility): sig2dat://|File: KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|Length: 719181824 Bytes, 702326KB|UUHash: =LkzblOhtGwyzNztqKDRpWpd+wjA=|

Torrent problem?

[Zen Programmer]

When I try to download the torrent, I get the error "got bad file info -". Anybody what the problem is?

Re:Torrent problem?

[drsmack1]

That torrent appears to be broken. Go here to get a good one: http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969/

Re:Torrent problem?

[chickenmonger]

If you open the torrent file linked in the article in, say, Notepad, there's a message:

Hello,
there is Knoppix 3.3 in a newer version avaible, it seems to have
everything besides the 2.6.1 kernel (that is not without problems)
but is probably more up to date, here is a big list of _FAST_ ftp and http mirrors

there is also an ENGLISH edition

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/

bittorrent is here:
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/

Knoppix 3.4ct also has 2.4.23 or 2.6.1 both have the do_remap security flaw, the 2.4.24 in Knoppix 3.3 is ok.

If you are in germany you can get Knoppix 3.4 easily at about every store in the c't. (http://www.heise.de/ct)
The HD install also doesn't work with 3.4 ct edition.

The real Knoppix 3.4 will be release in a few weeks.

The torrent was only for a few people in a small irc channel (not in germany), I don't even have a seed,
just a tracker because i have a tiny server for email and web.

Regards
Christian Leber

There is still http://debian.christian-leber.de/bittorrent-for-pe ople-who-really-really-need-it-otherwise-please-ge t-the-newer-knoppix3.3/ but no idea if it will ever finish, perhaps i have to close it. 30 seeds and more than 400 downloaders will not be finished in the next hours

P.S. there was also a link to an single http server with the complete iso, it's completly irresponsible to make such a thing public without asking before doing this!

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

500

Re:Links to Download ISO Image via other p2p netwo

[patelbhavesh]

Posting it one more time as formatting got screwed d up
Here are the links to the knoppix ct' ISO image if you want to download from p2p networks like edonkey,gnutella,kazaa

1>MAGNET programs (many Gnutella programs )
magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:XORFDKAHZGNEESRPVVIEDJZ55OB ZD4 KP&dn=KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso

2>EDonkey2000 and Overnet:
ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE. iso|719181 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c|

3>Older versions of Kazaa / Grokster / IMesh (requires sig2dat utility):
sig2dat://|File: KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|Length: 719181824 Bytes, 702326KB|UUHash: =LkzblOhtGwyzNztqKDRpWpd+wjA=|

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

Well well well.

:-(

403 Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-edition-january-22nd-20 04.iso on this server.

Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.stuwo.net Port 80

How many legs?

[jelle]

How many legs does that browser have?

Firefox? I thought it was Firebird

Following the link myself... HUH??? What happen? Somebody set up us the bomb? But who? The database?

apt-get install browser-formerly-known-as-firebird?

Wasn't it called phoenix before, and then renamed because they found a PC-related company with that name? So the new version will create a ~/.phoenix, a ~/.mozilla-firebird and a ~/.mozilla-firefox directory including the resulting babelonian confusions?

Did they realize that there already exists a joystick with the name firefox? And a Game PC with the name firefox? And even a Clint Eastwood movie with the name firefox... True to form, there even was a car named firefox, and a tire with that name. Oh, and a company with that name too...

Or will they just switch names again when they figure that out?

And next is the tunderfox?

And then a company in Redmond discovers that somebody already uses the name for their OS to mean glass inside a hole in the wall, causing them to suddenly switch names without thinking of their installed user base? or another company just finding out the name of that big bright thing that lights the sky every day?

Yes, phoenix/firefird/fox is a fine browser, but why the identity problems?

Re:How many legs?

[RdsArts]

They should just get it over with and name the browser a symbol. Like Prince did.

If anyone asks, it can be the BFKAFFFKAFBFKAPFKAM. (Browser formerly known as FireFox formerly known as FireBird formerly known as Phoenix formerly known as Mozilla)

And it'd just be a apt-get install bfkafffkafbfkapfkam away. :)

Re:How many legs?

[joib]

I'd like to have tab completion for apt-get before that happens!

Hmm, maybe one could cook together something with zsh?

Re:How many legs?

[WhiteDragon]

It is here now. Observe:

# apt-get install lil {Tab}{Tab}

lilo lilo-config lilo-doc lilypond lilypond-doc lilypond1.3

#apt-get install lilo-d {Tab}
apt-get install lilo-doc
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
lilo-doc
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
Need to get 242kB of archives.
After unpacking 291kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main lilo-doc 1:22.5.8-10 [242kB]
Fetched 242kB in 1s (179kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package lilo-doc.
(Reading database ...

etc. You may need to have the bash_completion package installed. On debian unstable it seems to be part of the bash package. This is a great extension of bash (there is similar support for tcsh) that gives you tab completion on most commands. It knows about the command-line options for most commands. It's pretty cool to use with for instance postgresql, where I can do:
# psql te {Tab}{Tab}
and have it show me:
template0 template1. In fact it is actually querying the pg_catalog.pg_database table. (of course this won't work if you need a password to log in, but my pg_hba.conf allows local users to connect as themselves w/ no password).

Re:How many legs?

[jelle]

Thanks for the tip! I had to enable it in /etc/bash.bashrc though, but it is sweet.

TORRENT IS BROKEN! Here is a good one:

[drsmack1]

http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969/

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[Joey7F]

I would do that if I had some mod points, then someone would probably get a chuckle and give it a +5 Funny. Of course, no one would get it :-P

--Joey

Knoppix!!-Joysticks

[Anonymous Coward]

How well does Knoppix work detecting and setting up external devices like joysticks?

OT: Your Sig

[Anonymous Coward]

You need to either get rid of one or the other "ly"

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[UFNinja]

Too bad it spits out a 403 error when I try to download it. . .

IEEE 1394

[pastpolls]

Can the disc now boot off of firewire drives. My laptop uses a firewire dvd-rom and I cannot get any live distribution to work so far. Any thoughts?

Re:IEEE 1394

[kinnell]

This is a BIOS problem. If you can get the BIOS to register your the DVD-rom as a boot device, it should work, otherwise no boot CD will work.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[Anonymous Coward]

They sold the remaining DVDs after the conference.

KDE 3.2?

[Anonymous Coward]

Do any of them offer KDE 3.2? It's such a great improvement over 3.1 that I can hardly imagine going back to that.

Knoppix = debian unstable

[muyuubyou]

It supports upgrade. Easy as pie. Check knoppix.net or knopper.net forums.

kernel upgrade question
hdinstall forums
Easy way to get Debian running in record time. Mepis is another possibility. I blame them for the renewed popularity of Debian.

knoppix26 not ready yet / Fonts still suck

[faber]

Giving 2.6. a spin, Knoppix did not recognize / initialize my network card properly. It also had problem with the agp bus.

Other than that, the C't edition is a beatiful round up of what Knoppix / Linux can do for you.

The only problem which annoys me since I'm working on Linux (> 10 years) is:

FONTS!!!

You should not package an OpenOffice with an unscalale "Times"-Font and other completely unusable Fonts. This turns off newbies and people how are just interested in Linux.

So my suggestion are:
---------------------

1 Make sure that _every_ font in the system renders and works perfectly out of the box in OpenOffice, Mozilla and Printing!! If you end up having only 5 fonts available, fine. Than the user knows that she / he has to do some work and get new fonts.

2 Make it easy to install new fonts. Install fonts system wide. Users don't care about a ".fonts" directoy in the home directory.

3 Clean up every menu in the system. Give the best programs the most prominent places in the menu.

All the Best,
Happy Hacking

Martin
#

Hangs during boot

[Hanul]

Unfortunately I cannot boot the c't Knoppix CD on my HP Omnibook 4150. I tried every boot option, but even with "failsafe" it hangs looking for the CDROM - although it seems to access it and it spins up, but nothing happens.

Re:Hangs during boot

[Pervertus]

Maybe it's corrupt? Try reading the CD using windows. Even try copying all its content to a temporary folder.

Re:Hangs during boot

[CyBaer]

Maybe your cdrom does not like DMA. Try nodma at boot time.

Re:Hangs during boot

[Anonymous Coward]

try the 'noagp' option; I have an Omnibook 4150 and that did the trick for me using the cd (which uses Knoppix) that came with 'Moving To Linux' book by Gagne.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[Anonymous Coward]

That's why I frequently blast (meta moderate) 'informatrive' and 'interesting' moderations. Ths is supposed to be a geek/nerd sight, but with what some slashdotters think is 'interesting' or 'informative' I think he have a potential crop of marketing folk lurking around here.

Re:TORRENT works fine for me

[billstewart]

I'm not sure what torrent you're using, but I copied the http://debian.christian-leber.de/Knoppix34-ct.iso. torrent to my disk and fired it up, and it's been downloading just fine. Things were doggy at the beginning, but are by late evening it suddenly sped up and finished, and it's now seeing about 19 seeds.

I'm using the fancy experimental client that lets me regulate upload speeds and counts, so I've got it limited to 90% of my upload to avoid trashing other performance. Once it catches up and I've contributed my fair share of uploads, I'll probably switch over to the new Mandrake beta2 or something.

Even gigabit sites can use Bittorrent

[billstewart]

OK, if the site can really pump a full 1 Gbps, that's ~600 simulateous feeds to people with T1 lines, but you'll still get almost as good performance cranking out Bittorrent feeds, and if you've got lots of excess capacity after that, ADSL users can still leach off of you. Additionally, it avoids the problem of interrupted downloads.

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[Anonymous Coward]

ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|719181 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c|

ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|719181 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c|

The Big Deal?

[bakreule]

If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way

This isn't a troll (and perhaps a little off-topic), but I really don't see the fuss with upgrading to 2.6. The APIs are the same, the only thing that I can see that is different is module loading, but there's a tool that takes care of it automagically.

Is it just not trusting a new kernel until it's been fully hammered out in the field?

Re:The Big Deal?

[GirTheRobot]

the new kernel is much faster than the old.

Re:The Big Deal?

[Anonymous Coward]

the new schedulers are worth a look.

Try this:

[lpret]

Knoppix STD -- it stands for Security Tools Distro. It has the following servers: apache ircd-hybrid samba smail sshd vnc net-snmp tftpd xinetd

Start from there and then roll your own to your liking.

Install to Hard Disk Option??

[bezbaq]

Any word on weather the 2.6 kernel version has an improved "install to hard disk" option. I've had better success using the Morphix hard disk install than the standard knoppix. I haven't had much luck at all using the (beta?) Debian installer project CD. bezbaq - bez@caffeine.mor.test-labs.net

SlakLive

[Geccie]

Had a disk crash (growl) on Wife's Toshiba - No boot. Knoppix booted and I was able to tar most recent versions of MyDocs to a USB thumb drive. Couldn't ls many parts of the disk, but I got the good stuff. Initially tried a slaxlive CD, but it choked trying to run X. Been using Slackware since late 1994. It's solid, but I think Knoppix, being the first(?), is more evolved and polished.
Geccie.

Linux critical mass eminent in germany

[Qbertino]

Also note that the german mass computer 'newspaper' (think: Daily Computer Sun) has a Knoppix in it's recent Edition, heavyly addvertising it's Virus safety and vendor spyware / vendor 'all-your-base' registration freeness.

Here's the link:
http://www.computerbild.de/2004/indexcb.htm

This all is showing a fast growing trend - people switching Linux for safety reasons alone - no matter what Windows addictions or OSS shortcomings they might still have to deal with.

Re:Linux critical mass eminent in germany

[Anonymous Coward]

that's just Suse Linux and not even a life-CD!

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[mikecron]

Not to mention the fact that it won't need to use a compressed loopback!

Re:gigabit speed download location for 3.4 here

[HalliS]

• bandwidth saturation to be seen here http://php.stuwo.net
  
  Nice visualization of the /. effect. Daily graph explodes at posting time of parent ;-)
  
  
  

it's slashdotted too. Google cache to be seen here

Worldlingo robotranslation jive

[Halloween Jack]

From the c't page:

Too complicates, too kryptisch and too little multicolored - not everyday life-suited, Windows Hardliner say about Linux. We tried out, as well Linux laymen master their daily tasks with the free operating system. So that you can make yourselves a picture, gibts the Knoppix on the booklet CD: Start without installation of CD and loose-put!

Re:knoppix26 not ready yet / Fonts still suck

[Ice_Balrog]

You should not package an OpenOffice with an unscalale "Times"-Font and other completely unusable Fonts. This turns off newbies and people how are just interested in Linux.
-snip-
Make sure that _every_ font in the system renders and works perfectly out of the box in OpenOffice, Mozilla and Printing!!

Yeah, because every font in Windows/MS Office is beautiful...

"Gentoo" automatically = +5?

[itomato]

LinuxPPC Live and Knoppix have LiveCD's
plus
CRUX now has a PPC port. It's not live, but it's another option, plus it's slackware-based, not another Debian>Knoppix>Morphix dealy.

I want the Baby Penguin edition

[crisco]

for my nephews and my friends kids. They already think the Penguin is the coolest thing ever because I turned them on to Tux Paint. Now add some more kids games, deck FireFox out with big buttons, the Flash plugin (yeah I know there are redistribution issues) and links to stuff like pbskids.org and you have a kid friendly distribution that won't let them screw up the computer. Start giving it away and you're brainwashing a whole new generation of penguinistas.

Re:DVD edition download? (more current DVD editio

[rainer_d]

The DVD was handed out at LinuxTag 2003 in Karlsruhe, Germany, as a bonus you got for your admittance fee.
It didn't like to boot from my SCSI-DVD drive, though, so it sat largely unused on my desk.

Rainer

Re:knoppix26 not ready yet / Fonts still suck

[Anonymous Coward]

Compared to this?
http://linux.ucla.edu/~kodiak/pics/mozilla_ default .png

Beautiful is one thing. Functionality, and de-uglification are another, altogether.

DVD Available

[jaf1230]

I found the DVD version of Knoppix (3.2 unfortunately... it was for the thing in Germany) at www.cheaplinux.org for $9.99.

Fabian Franz and the rest of the Knoppix Crew

[PsibrII]

Have to give a shout out to Fabian Franz and the rest of the guys who keep the whole knoppix project
going with new innovations, scripts, and help to
the newbies on freenode IRCs #knoppix channel.

c't edition reviewed on German TV

[Zoxed]

The weekly c't on German TV program reviewed this edition on Monday night.

They reviewed it very favourably: starting out with clear statement that windows user can run a live Linux CD without having to worry about screwing up their windows setup !!

They covered most of the major apps., mainly KDE, and only at the end did they bring in a couple of disadvantages: The Gimp is not MS Paintshop, and the lack of good video editting software. But they pointed out that it is FREE, so you can't complain !!

It was good to see such a favourable review on national TV !!

(I do not watch this program much, but it is a 1/2 hourly weekly tech. program, by nature quite popularish !)