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William Gibson on his Tech Life and Latest Novel

An anonymous reader writes "The Philadelphia Inquirer is running a brief article on William Gibson. In it he discusses his tech life, the ad that inspired Neuromancer, and his latest book, Pattern Recognition. He says, 'Between my wife and daughter who still lives at home, I'm always the one with the slowest computer. I don't find that being really up on all the latest tech ever does me any good.'"

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  1. Turns out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's running a 286, and that copy of MS Word 2.0 is suiting him just fine.

    1. Re:Turns out... by ctrl-alt-elite · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess 640k of RAM really is good enough for anyone...

  2. Better than Gibson, IMO by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Although he's not really well known nor as critically acclaimed, I really like Kilgore Trout. I don't think his books are in print anymore, he died a few years back.

    So it goes.

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    1. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by Unnngh! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was never clear on this...Kilgore Trout was originally a character in Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s novels. And yet I know that *someone* published books under the pseudonym. Was it actually Vonnegut or someone else?

    2. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by russotto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Philip Jose Farmer wrote _Venus on the Half Shell_ as Kilgore Trout. Vonnegut gave him permission, but hasn't let anyone do a Trout book since.

    3. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by marko123 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Breakfast of Champions. Movie version is very very wacky, and has Bruce Willis in it from memory. Also the cute chick from Becker.

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      http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
  3. He used to blog.. by aurum42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Gibson used to maintain a fairly interesting blog, but he quit to work on his "day job", which is really too bad - I like looking in on the lives of the writers I read, although it feels a little voyeuristic at times (and that's when I stop). It's fascinating seeing the creative process in action.

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    "The slave who knows his master's will and does not get ready...will be be beaten with many blows."Luke 12:47-48
    1. Re:He used to blog.. by metlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He gave a talk at Georgia Tech last week, and it was quite cool.

      He actually explained why he had stopped blogging. He felt that when he had the "urge" to write or do something, the net is an easy outlet but not the best. Writing, on the other hand is a more organized and better outlet, and ofcourse has better benefits :)

      I had also asked him about why he had ended Neuromancer in a way that almost killed all the characters (in terms of a future) -- and his response was something along the lines of, even if down the line I'm so broke that I want to write a sequel, I should not be able to, because it won't be the work of the moment. He said that he would ideally like to re-write Neuromancer, and felt bad about how he had not thought about cellphones and other common technologies being common in the real future :)

      A really cool guy, and he really gave very proper answers for everything. And yes, he said his favourite book was Idoru.

      And I strongly recommend reading Pattern Recognition to those of who who have not -- that book rocks!

    2. Re:He used to blog.. by Mad_Rain · · Score: 3, Informative

      He also did a movie called "No Maps For These Territories" that lends a good deal of insight into his personality. I just watched it, and thought it was pretty cool.

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      "What do you think?" "I think 'What, do you think?!'"
  4. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by El · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't know about you, but I can type faster than I can dictate... have you tried using BOTH hands?

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    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

  5. Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I remember seeing posters for the small, semi-portable version of the Apple IIc".

    Just goes to show what using an Apple can do for you. :) Rumor has it he has another book on the way... and one with a movie deal in the works. Maybe they'll pass on Keanu this time and get a real actor and his next book-based movie won't suck so bad.

    Still working on how to get my new 512Mb USB 2.0 memory stick to interface with my brain.

    The only thing necessary for Micro$oft to triumph is for a few good programmers to do nothing". North County Computers

    1. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by cmowire · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that the one movie that I'd *love* to see is Neuromancer. The rights to it sat unused in the eighties because of "Cabana Boys Productions" (who were actually 2 cabana boys) and, at this point, the non-initiated would just view it as a lame attempt to copy the Matrix.

      Wait 50 years and we'll be able to do it like they do Jules Verne novels, I guess.

      Otherwise, it's as he said, you can make a movie without actually buying any rights. And he's not famous enough, outside of certain communities, to sell on name recognition.

    2. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Informative

      There was a movie made based on New Rose Hotel about corporate extractions. Christopher Walken was in it but it still sucked.

    3. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Bodhammer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I remember reading that Gibson was hired to write the screenplay for Alien III. The production and process sickened him so much he would not let them put his name on the credits. Given the disaster it was, I think he made a great call. See this.

      Given his storytelling and dialog I think he could write great screenplay (I have not read it so I might be full of shit.... He just doesn't want to see his work trashed by the fuckwits in Hollywierd...

      --
      "I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
  6. Best quote of the article by glen604 · · Score: 5, Funny

    " I realized no one had tried to write a science-fiction novel as if Lou Reed and David Bowie were writing it."

    I suppose you could say that about a lot of things-
    we need more software that was written as if Lou Reed and David Bowie had written it

    1. Re:Best quote of the article by sybil5000 · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Great article. He laid the whole thing out in plain English. He didn't mention his Steely Dan fetish though, present from day one (bars named "The Gentleman Loser" and "The Western World", Klaus & the Rooster... Ahem.)

      What Gibson did, his big cultural contribution, was portray computers and the people who know how to use them as *glamourous*. And he filled that world with dangerous, edgy people.

      Instead of cute little nerds, a la movies of the time like "War Games" and "Short Circuit".

      In Neuromancer, the underlying metaphor is "computers == really good drugs".

      Get that mighty Zion dub boomin, mon...

  7. I agree by gustgr · · Score: 3, Informative

    "I don't find that being really up on all the latest technology ever does me any good."

    Indeed.

    I am at the 6th semester of Computer Science and I see a lot of guys who got low grades and don't know even how to code really basic programs looking for top computers. I belive all they want is to play games.

    Personally I don't need a top-ultra-fast box to get my programs working or improve my programming skills, and even get some fun (ie. MUD).

    Of course if you work with production servers, high definition graphics or movies you need power machines, but regular and ordinary users who only surf on the net, compile some code, edit some texts don't need that all IMHO.

    1. Re:I agree by kertong · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree as well. Offtopic, but here's my 2 cents.

      If you have a good computer "know-how", you know how to squeeze the maximum performance out of what you have already.

      Back when I was a freshman at UC Berkeley, I had a job as a Residential Computing Consultant. You know, tech support. You wouldn't believe how many people had top of the line (at the time) Pentium 3s that felt much, much slower than my AMD K6-2, because their windows installation was stuffed full of stupid utilities, realone, popups, popup blockers, popup blocker blockers, the list goes on.

      I am now a unix systems administrator, but to this day, I have yet to buy an athlon, thunderbird, or a pentium 4. My friends always wonder why I'm always on the top of leading edge technology, but alwyas using old, slow, outdated computers. Last computer I really bought was a pentium 3 - it did everything I needed it to do, quickly too. My main workhorse PC is a cyrix 6x86(ugh) 233mhz running freeBSD. Its not as if buying a box with a pentium4 will let me do things I wasn't able to do before - it just does the things I need to be able to do, but faster.

    2. Re:I agree by LearningHard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to make a big deal out of having an awesome computer. I think I grew up. The only problem is now I am 24 years old and having to go back into college. I wish so much that back when I started college I had paid more attention to attending class. I always did very well in CSCI courses but unfortunately did rather poorly in the math side of things. Oh well, in a couple of years when my fianc ee finishes her graduate work I will go back and do things the right way.

  8. What gibson really is interested by peripatetic_bum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And what I wish Pattern Recognition was going to be about was the take over of the corporation. I think Gibson's real contribution in his neuromancer trilogy was the complete and utterly believeable and scary description of the "Corporation as the World".

    When I re-read his stuff I am most impressed and awed by how clearly he was able to create a world in which the corporations ran everything and were god-like beings. I know this isnt new now but back in the 80's when Governments were the big powerhouses, saying that someone like Nike was more powerful than the US (say someone like Halliburton) was a bit of shock since we were seeing the US and Russia go at it from Gov't run models of economies.

    Anyway, just pick up his early books and you can taste the corporations presence everywhere and how so soaked into the culture that no one is his books ever saw it.

    Anyway, getting back to his more recent books, I miss the fact that he no longer seems to be fascinated by the corporations (his fascination with AI's was most explicit [ie the AI, as a real being, representing/being the corporation])
    and he now is more of a Tipping Point type writer (much like Crichton, ie spot a trend and write about it )

    Anyway, just my thought, would like to hear your replies

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    Sigs are dangerous coy things

    1. Re:What gibson really is interested by Sh0t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's reality.

      Start at the Federal Reserve. Examine why fractional reserve banking is a scam and follow from there.

      You'd be surprised what reality really is.

      "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. Enjoy.

    2. Re:What gibson really is interested by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Funny

      My bank has never said to me that I can come in and demand gold (or anything else) for my cash. If your bank has, I suggest you find a less scammy one.

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      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    3. Re:What gibson really is interested by Sh0t · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any bank that practices fractional banking is scamming you.

      But you'd have to actually learn something to understand it. I suggest you do that. Do you think inflation is some mysterious force? Inflation is a tax like any other. The lost buying power of your dollar year after year is not magic.

  9. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by cmowire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many many reasons.

    I think the main one is that talking and writing come out of two different brain pathways. Somebody who is an excellent writer on the written/typed page may not be able to talk very elequently when asked.

    I tried to write fiction using voice rec but I didn't like having my incomplete and random bits of story broadcast to the rest of the world until I was ready for it. I didn't dictate a single word, in fact, because my then-roomate was in the room and I realized how dumb it was.

    Also, you can't use voice recognition in a cafe.

  10. Good thing he didn't see a G4 Notebook.... by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I remember [in the early '80s] seeing posters for the small, semi-portable version of the Apple IIc". Just think... if he'd seen an ad for the G4 Notebook with a Linux logo instead, then second two Matrixes (no he didn't write them, but they take from his ideas) might not have sucked so bad. Or maybe Keanu's brain could've been unloaded to an iPod and all the data shared on the internet. :)

  11. Not really... by asklepius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For one thing, language style used in speaking and writing are remarkably dissimilar. Second, depending on how you dictate, there can be quite a bit of extraneous sounds like ah, umm, like, etc. that can gum up the works. It may be more difficult to go back and edit what the SR software interpreted than typing from scratch.

    The real tough thing to get used to is that when you write, you get realtime feedback for the text. When you use SR, it lags behind your voice, and even further behind your thought processes...it tends to trip you up.

    I occasionaly use SR to dictate a draft of different documents, but I do so only if I can do it fairly seemlessly (no ummms) and I NEVER look at the screen. I bet Mr. Gibson's writing style just doesn't accomodate the workflow needed to effectively utilize SR. Just my $.02.

  12. Re:Blasphemy by cmowire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, my largest problem with Neuromancer was that it took many many readings, starting as a grade school student, before I finally really started to understand everything.

    I still re-read the book to pick up new things. I finally realized exactly what Case was talking about when he told Molly to "take advantage of my natural state." lately.

  13. Tech Nation Interview by zedge · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's also a pretty good interview with
    Gibson on Tech Nation here
    http://www.technation.com:8080/ramgen/021004 _2.rm

  14. Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He just doesn't like technology. Like you can't figure that out from reading his books. Sheesh. His stories often portray the darker, grimmer aspects of technology. His writing is great, but he is more poet than scientist. He also didn't invent cyberpunk. Try 'Ooblik' by Phillip K. Dick for a VERY early cyberspace concept. Or read 'True Names' by Vernor Vinge. Much better story by someone who actually likes and understands technology, written way before Gibson.

    Don't get me wrong, I love Gibson, but he is more of an anti-science fiction writer.

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    1. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by -tji · · Score: 4, Interesting


      In a previous interview with Gibson, he said he had no clue about computers when he wrote Neuromancer. He described his disappointment upon finally using a computer. He was expecting some magical star trek experience, instead he got slow, spinning floppy disks and cumbersome interfaces.

    2. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by peripatetic_bum · · Score: 3, Interesting
      He just doesn't like technology. Like you can't figure that out from reading his books. Sheesh.
      All Tomorrow's Partys(A lou reed, velvet underground song)
      he is quite clear in how something quite extraordinary and beautiful happened with the virtual 'star' that suddely appears in 100 different places each setting out on a new life. He's quite clear this could not happened without tech and perhaps it is Tech's reason for existance.
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      Sigs are dangerous coy things

    3. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He also didn't invent cyberpunk. Try 'Ooblik' by Phillip K. Dick for a VERY early cyberspace concept.

      I love it when people try to argue how un-influencial William Gibson was while using the term cyberspace that he invented.

  15. Cyberspace by DeadVulcan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gibson anticipated many concepts, such as cyberspace, that are now commonplace

    That's saying a bit too much... The term "cyberspace" was coined because of Gibson's popular book, and at the time, anyone who knew anything about the internet laughed at the media people who bandied the word around as though Gibson's vision had anything in common with SMTP, NNTP, or HTTP.

    Then we all watched, horrified, as the word set up shop, settled down, and refused to go away... Leading to all manner of cyber-this and cyber-that.

    Sigh.

    --
    Accountability on the heads of the powerful.
    Power in the hands of the accountable.
    1. Re:Cyberspace by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Informative
      That's saying a bit too much... The term "cyberspace" was coined because of Gibson's popular book,
      More accurately, Gibson himself coined the word "cyberspace" in Neuromancer. (I think. I know he coined the word, but I'm not positive that Neuromancer marked its first appearance.)
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      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    2. Re:Cyberspace by wheresdrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, he coined the term. He even had a cameo in David Lynch's "Wild Palms" as himself. Somebody introduces him to one of the characters and says, "this is William Gibson. He invented the term 'cyberspace.'" Gibson responds, "yes, and they'll never let me forget it."

  16. Try it some time. by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Informative
    Am I the only one surprised that professional writers don't utilize voice recognition software?

    You might try it sometime. I find the best way to write is to just go at it, damn the spelling errors, not having the perfect word (leave some ** or something to remind myself to come back to it later), screw punctuation, etc. Just go!

    Now it may not be a bad idea to just speak it into a recorder or digitize it and then try running it through speach rec. later.

    Best advice I can give, just go, don't rely on anything that can hang you up. Nothing kills momentum like having to deal with something like "no goat, not boat, goat, geeez, GOAT you daft machine! ..."

    Just get it out of yourself, first then worry about how to assemble it after then momentum has run its course.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Try it some time. by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah- it's rough when you say "open boat.sea" and you get goatse.cx

      --
      Ceci n'est pas une sig.

      :wq!

  17. Writing and technology by Metropolitan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Writing isn't often done best while immersed in that which is being written about. Contemplation, the space to imagine and build worlds in one's mind, is the key.

    Sometimes playing with toys can get in the way of that.

    It's easy to get drawn into the whole cycle of newer-better-faster-cooler, with musical instruments, computers, whatever. Can be very distracting to actually creating with those things!

  18. So true by Rkane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At the present time, there is still a large part of society that knows nothing about computers. They may be able to turn them on, click the icon that says "double click here for aol x.x" or even check email. However, most of them don't know the inner workings of the technology, nor do most care.

    That is why I think people can relate to William Gibson's writing - not just geeks. People can actually read it from someone who sees things in a way that they can see them as well.

  19. Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean it should be depressing even though you have a million flashy skins to choose from?

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    1. Re:Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by pnatural · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow -- you've just described windows + winamp perfectly!

  20. Gibson on Unscrewed Wednesday night by bearl · · Score: 3, Informative

    He was also interviewed on Unscrewed last night. Unscrewed Wednesday Episode Not much at that link, but check the schedule to see when it'll be replayed.

  21. The Man in the High Castle by joepa · · Score: 5, Informative

    The dire thing that multinational globalization seems to be doing is reducing the amount of genuine stuff in the world and replacing it with imitation genuine stuff.

    To speak of visionaries, this is actually an important theme in PKD's The Man in the High Castle. Of course, even PKD had a tendency to (unknowingly?) refashion ideas that were first put into writing by Plato and Aristotle. I guess it is true, in some sense, that there is nothing new under the sun.

    1. RE: The Man in the High Castle by dizfactor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that we really need to get past the whole distinction between "authentic" and "fake," especially in terms of moral or aesthetic judgements.

      It's just silly. "Authenticity" is itself a socially-contructed phenomenon. We determine authenticity by referencing authorities to which we assign the ability to place their stamp of approval on something. That stamp of approval is based on comparing the item in question to an abstract, socially-constructed ideal of what the "real" thing is supposed to be. Bauddrillard's work on the precession of simulacra is useful here.

      I read a great interview with Negativland a while ago where they were discussing marketing and youth culture, and the increasing prevalence of things like prominent logos on clothing and mass-media pop culture references in casual conversation and so forth. They talked about how they had always tended to look at that sort fo thing as this horrible co-opting of youth culture and the evils of the corporate marketing machine, but they were starting to wonder if they were just making inappropriate value judgements and that this may not necessarily be bad, but instead it may just be different, a new sort of symbiosis of marketing and "authentic" pop culture that really makes the whole issue of authenticity or co-optation irrelevant. I think they were on the right track with that supposition.

  22. Declining Quality by Sh0t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe I'm an insensitive clod but "Pattern Recognition" and "All of Tomorrowies Parties" didn't do much for me. I'm still in love with his ground breaking early work but I don't think he's kept up as a truly continuous quality-giving writer.

  23. Whoa: That's UI development by DeadVulcan · · Score: 3, Funny

    The creative process for him has two stages. The writing is preceded by a long period of "sitting grumpily, staring out the window." [snip] "The typing on the keyboard takes about a year. The staring out the window can be any length of time and is usually harder.

    That sounds amazingly like my process as user interface designer and developer. Except that, in the first stage, I'm grumpy just because I have to mediate so many heated design meetings.

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    Accountability on the heads of the powerful.
    Power in the hands of the accountable.
  24. Re:Blasphemy by Squidbait · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to look at it from the point of view of when it was written. Many of what are now cyberpunk cliches exist because of Neuromancer and its sequels. William Gibson created a whole new world, that was fresh at the time, and he did it with style. For me, the Neuromancer trilogy is to cyberpunkian sci-fi what the Lord of the Rings is to fantasy.

    BTW, I've just started Snow Crash, and from what I can see, this is just Gibson's style pushed over the top, done with less class, and deserving of far less credit given that he has obviously read Gibson's books and is essentially imitating them with a moderate amount of success.

  25. Yes, dissimilar but whats interesting.. by rufusdufus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speech recognition engines are actually primed with textual language models. This is simply because large databases such as newspapers are available. So while they don't do so well for natural english, they do better for written style such as..well newspaper print. So a writer, especially a jounalist, may find that speech recognition works better for them than the 'masses'.

    1. Re:Yes, dissimilar but whats interesting.. by cmowire · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right. However, there's different mental pathways for talking and writing. So the problem is not necessarily within your computer, it's in your head.

  26. Re:Sour Grapes by robo45h · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I beg to differ. Had /. posted this story when it was submitted, I would have gone to see Gibson at the Free Library of Philadelphia's Central Library. I live in the area, but hadn't read about it. I suppose I should read my Ink-wire a little more closely, but thought I relied on /. for things like this.

    This is a pretty common occurrance from what I can tell. The rejection / posted by someone else two days later thing has happened to me once or twice.

  27. Gibson hints at another Apple influence... by CrackedButter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gibson owes his remarkable career to a bus-stop epiphany. "I remember [in the early '80s] seeing posters for the small, semi-portable version of the Apple IIc," he says. "Quite a lot of what I subsequently imagined in my early science fiction simply came from seeing that ad in a bus stop. Apple at the forefront again, another item you can add to the list of Apple firsts!

  28. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also, you can't use voice recognition in a cafe.

    Sure you can:

    The moon rose over the dark warrens of the urban sprawl that emanated from the city's bright center what's the difference between a latte and a cappucino hey can you keep it down I'm trying to write a novel here a latte is basically a cappuccino with more milk oh then I'll have a latte hey I asked you to keep it down well excuse me this is a cafe you know hey phil how's it going could you please be quiet too I'm trying to write my novel geeze oh hey yeah I'm a writer, just working on my book are you here alone can I buy you a cup of coffee oh I see you don't go for the artistic types fine she'll be sorry when I'm a published writer damn stuck up girls

  29. Cayce and Case? by diesel66 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is the the fact that the protagonists from Neuromancer and Pattern Recognition are phonetically identical just a coincidence?

    Don't miss the adventures of Kaice in his next novel! Or is it Quess?

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    eleven plus two / twelve plus one
  30. non techs are better techs by plams · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IMHO, one of the great things about Gibson is that he really isn't into a lot of the technology he describes. I guess it allows him not to get too distracted by knowledge. I mean, for a hacker, it would probably be tough to write something interesting involving computers, without putting them in a boring context (too techy for ordinary people, and too ordinary for techy people). But if you have the ability to look upon technology as something unknown and new, you can let your imagination fill that black hole of ignorance and come up with something truly creative. So that's Gibson for me. A n00b script kiddie with a beautiful imagination:)

  31. pattern rec *SPOILER* by crabpeople · · Score: 3, Insightful
    i dont know.. when i read that book, being a big gibson fan, i thought it was mostly a let down. they kept building the subplot of her father up so much that you knew he had to come back at the end. But it didnt come back to him. It just sort of became some story about some russian girls who werent even involved in sex. I thought at least the end should have some meaning. Unless he meant for it to have a sequel (possible i guess), the book itself made me feel like i just wasted my time.


    nothing was really acomplished and there weren't any real insights at all gained on anything. maybe because he was writing about the present day instead of the future, or maybe because he was traumatized by sept 11th, who knows. I didnt really see the point in basing so much of the book on sept 11th anyways. it seemed tacked on.

    The main character, was like a last refugee from the dot com bubble. i remember her just walking in, saying yes or no to things and then getting a huge check and going home to her studio apartment. it seems like he wrote half of it before sept 11th and then added a bunch more to it after.

    of course i have no idea imho and all that.

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    I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
  32. Re:Blasphemy by Neop2Lemus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yes, for all I heard about it, its' not anywhere near the standards of Clarke and Asimov.

    A very, very hip book, but not a good one. Its' just not clever enough or plotted well enough. Plenty of cyberpunk counter-culture (which is neat) but that's all I'd have to say for it.

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    Needle Nardle Noo
  33. Gibson should stick to what he doesn't know. by rufusdufus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think I am alone among Gibson's fans in being of the opinion that the more hip the author became with tech, the less hip his writing became.

    Although they are based on similar themes,
    "Neuromancer" was a psechedelic ride through things unimagined before, "Pattern Recognition" is a familiar drab story about internet fanboys.

    For Gibson, I say, write what you don't know, please!

  34. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by painandgreed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one surprised that professional writers don't utilize voice recognition software?

    Some do, most don't.

    I handle the voice dictation for a large hospital using a voice recognition system called Talk. It seems really hit or miss. Some doctors love it and can dictate reports as fast as they can say them without missing a word. Others can't go an entire sentence without saying one word and having a different one show up. Those doctors refer to the program as Type and hate it with a passion.

    A good deal of this is because voice dictation actually takes more effort than typeing. The good ones learn from your speech and modify themselves to how you actually talk. trouble is, if you don't pay attention to what you're doing and train everything that goes wrong when it goes wrong the first time, it's going to blow up on you. There is a high training curve besides the initial hour and half training that can really slow you down at first. Typeing is pretty simple, little training, and it doesn't matter if you are a female with an indian accent and the speech engine is based on an American male voice.

    I've heard of authors using it, particularly those who have trouble typeing because of problems with their hands or are otherwise immobilized. I'm sure there are some people out ther that use it that don't have to. Besides the differences in speeking to writing, there is plenty of resistance to learning a new program that costs a decent amount of money. It's still a niche application that has its uses in certain instances, but not to replace typeing all together.

  35. Keanu's brain could've been unloaded to an iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Keanu's brain could've been unloaded to an iPod

    Talk about using a sledghammer to kill a fly. Keanu's brain could be uploaded to an old 5 1/4, single-sided, 160K floppy....

  36. I don't find the latest tech helpful either by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Maybe it's just me, but I am quite convinced that possessing a faster development machine would not make me a more productive programmer. Not in the slightest.

    My 667 Mhz Pentium III is considerably faster than what I require for all the development work I've done since I bought it in 2000.

    There was a time when it mattered to programmers to have high-end equipment, because computers of that day were so constrained for resources. There was a time I was overjoyed to have bought a used 135 MB (you read that right) hard drive off the Usenet News, because it meant I could develop code on my Mac Plus without being limited to two floppy drives and no hard drive.

    Sure, a faster machine would mean faster compiles - but how much of your time is spent waiting for a compile, as opposed to the time you spend thinking about your code?

    The great nightmare that all the hardware vendors have is that the day will come when everybody realizes their machines are fast enough, so they don't need to upgrade anymore. The result of this is that both Apple and Microsoft are putting more and more CPU-intensive eyecandy into their products, to burn up those cycles.

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  37. Ah, but there is another . . . by The+Mad+Duke · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Fact Checkers at the Philly Inq missed something: there is another movie based on a Gibson short story - "The New Rose Hotel". Christopher Walken, Willem Dafoe, and the delectable (OMFG where does that tattoo end) Asia Argento. The film was a commercial failure - it's rather slow and amateurish, but it's much better than that awful Keanu/Ice-T mess. I have the DVD right here in my sweaty little hand. Excuse me, gotta go watch Asia in the swimming pool again. Oh, and many thanks to my old buddy Marrow who gave me his copy.

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  38. Stephenson by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Read some of Neal Stephenson's work. Start with In the Beginning was the Command Line (which is available free online) and go on to Snow Crash. I'm worming my way through Cryptonomicon right now.

    Stephenson describes technology -- real and fictional -- in a very detailed, precise, knowledgeable, and methodical manner. But he does it in a way that is in a literary sense engaging and fascinating. He can put into words the kind of beauty that hackers and engineers see in technological systems all the time, which is generally seen as dull and boring by the non-technical crowd, in such a way as to make it understandable to non-techs, and let them see the beauty too.

    Gibson? Feh. He's for candy ravers.

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    1. Re:Stephenson by johnwroach · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Stephenson describes technology -- real and fictional -- in a very detailed, precise, knowledgeable, and methodical manner.
      Too bad he can't write an ending the same way. That man needs an editor.

      Spoiler

      1000 pages of stuff (300 of them about eating cereal) and a two-sentence climax.

      IMO, of course, Stephenson's books are great while you're reading them, but when you're done, you gotta wonder why you struggled through it.

    2. Re:Stephenson by plams · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny you should mention it. I thought of Stephenson right after having posted it.

      Well, they're very different kinds of authors. I'll try some metaphores.. I'll probably get it wrong: You give a bunch of nuts and bolts to two people and ask them to make "whatever" out of it. The first one comes up with an invention.. a machine of some kind; he's the inventor. The other makes a metallic man-like statue; he's the artist. Both creations are work of creativity, and though the base is the same, the results are very different. The inventor may point out that nuts and bolts can be used as they were intented, but to create something new, while the artist may try to point out some relationship between humanity and technology, using the nuts and bolts as symbols rather than their intended use.

      Using these metaphores, I guess I'd say Stephenson is more of an inventor while Gibson is more of an artist. (And well, they both have a bit of both). Oh, and Stephenson is an excellent lecturer.

      Anyway, I've read Neuromancer, Pattern Recogtion, Snow Crash, The Diamond Age and Cryptonomicon - and I very much enjoyed all of them.

    3. Re:Stephenson by BenBenBen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stephenson provides a clean, narratative [?] tale with very little room for personal interpretation, IMO. The beauty of Gibson's work is that every year more of it comes true, and the very fact that it is written without the benefit of understanding nmap or assembly registers gives it a realism a strained Stephenson book will never have.

      I read Cryptonomicon once, and won't read it again (unless I decide that maybe it can't be as bad as I remember). The ending was abrupt and comical, the story disjointed and the characters far too one-dimensional.

      I have never found anywhere offering a more realistic could-be vision of the future than a Gibson book. He even has SUVs and mouldy space stations, and current buzz-terms like SARS and nanobots could have fallen ready-built from his pages.

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  39. Re:Blasphemy by dgmartin98 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought Neuromancer was an amazingly great book! I've only read it once, and that was shortly after it came out (10-15 years ago ?). However, since then I've read Idoru, Mona Lisa Overdrive, and The Difference Engine - all of which were a chore to read. I had to force myself to finish those.

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  40. Re:Virtually... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

    read your own link:1984 William Gibson wrote about "cyberspace" in Neuromancer

    William Gibson coined the very term "cyberspace"

  41. Re:Blasphemy by mister_tim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that's a bit harsh. It's probably fair to assume that Neal Stephenson had read Neuromancer before he wrote Snow Crash, but they are quite different. Snow Crash should belong in a different sub-genre of sci-fi than Neuromancer - it's only marginally cyberpunk in the way Gibson is, and it's a lot funnier and plays on that side of things more. Also, Snow Crash deliberately tries to be 'cool', and succeeds, while Neuromancer is much more serious and sedate.

    Compared to Stephenson's later work (especially The Diamond Age, which could almost count as a sequel), Snow Crash also feels very much like an early novel - and it was. Anyway, I found it much more accessible and enjoyable than Neuromancer when I read them both back in the early-ish 90s - and I've re-read it more often since.

  42. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by bluethundr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember reading an interview with WG yeeears back when he was talking about his relationship to technology (I'm sure this topic is covered many times in interviews with him). He said that when he was writing Nueromancer (I'm paraphrasing here, because I read this sometime in the early 90's) he didn't own a personal computer and didn't even have a practical understanding of what they were. All he had was this romantic notion of an "almost crystaline entitiy" where everything was nearly silent and whooshed and whirred pleasantly as you worked. Nueromancer was written on a typewriter!

    When he finally did get his first pc it was, needless to say, a letdown. Clanking, grinding, loud, slow, and chunking out computer errors this machine was an introduction to the real world of computing for this technological romanticist. But I personally am glad that he never really soured on romanticizing technology. Though he has been criticized for an overly uniform body of work stylistically, I personally like and am drawn into the worlds he creates.

    Along with video games, books by Gibson and other authors like Stephenson (yes even Quicksilver is building up into computer related themes...starting from the mid 1600s!) and movies like "Hackers" and "Wargames" keeps the notion of computing romantic and fanciful enough that (personally speaking) I retain a bit of that playfulness to what I'm doing even when I'm editing config files!

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  43. Like Gibson? Read Vernor Vinge by puzzled · · Score: 4, Interesting



    Gibson is great, so is Stephenson, but if you like either one of them you should branch out and read Vernor Vinge.

    Vinge wrote True Names way back when - *the* seminal work for hacker culture.

    That work alone would make the man's efforts worthwhile, but Across Realtime, A Fire On The Deep, and A Deepness In The Sky just completely blow that one out of the water.

    If Gibson is working with his personal binoculars focused on the future, Vinge is doing the same thing using his own personal mental Hubble Telescope.

    Stop clicking that mouse, get up, and get yourself to a bookstore RIGHT NOW!!!

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  44. Advice for compiling your own code faster by Via_Patrino · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always found people complaining they need to compile their code all again (wait a lot) when they make a small change on the code.

    The advice here is to split your code in several files and use make. It'll just compile the (small) file you've changed, which takes much less time. Using gcc option -O0 also helps (when you don't care about the generated software performance).

    It looks a no brainer advice but people still complain about that ;-)

  45. Re:Blasphemy by TXG1112 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have to agree. I read Nuromancer in the late '80s back when my Apple //c was state of the art. It blew me away. Up until that point there had been nothing like it. I thought it interesting about Gibson's comment about the lack of cell phones. I'm not sure if after rereading it I would have noticed their absence in the book, but that may be because when I first read it, cell phones weren't very common. I guess it's a matter of perspective. On a side note, I have always wanted to name a server Wintermute, but have always figured I would feel like a tool if I actually did.

    If anyone is looking for additional early cyberpunk, I recommend Daniel Keys Moran. His books seem to be back in print.

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  46. have you done iti by onShore_Jake · · Score: 5, Funny

    you are not truly a Nerd until you have hacked the Garbage file of a Gibson. You never know what you'll find. Rumor has it that that is where the leaked Windows code is from.

  47. Virtual Writing by t0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Does he delve into how Neal Stephen's book "Snow Crash" inspired him to write "Virtaul Light"?

    After reading VL, the entire thing gave me a super feeling of deja vu. I havent read another Gibson novel since then. Its a shame how somebody who had once been such a good writer could stoop so low.

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    1. Re:Virtual Writing by penguinstorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      read Pattern Recognition; i was a bit disappointed by Idoru & All Tomorrow's Party's but Pattern Recognition was very good.

      Virtual Light wasn't a major disappointment, but you could definitely see the start of the slippery slope. I still call my Trek a paper mache bike.

      I lived across the road from him in the month prior to its release; never saw him once, although I bump into him occassionally around town these days.

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  48. the father of cyberpunk by daddy+norcal · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Gibson is one of the all time great sci-fi storytellers.

    To this day neuromancer remains one of the best sci-fi tales of the modern age. Reading it for the first time when I was 13, I didn't understand it all. In fact I didn't understand most of it until I had re-read it a few times. Perhaps this is why it was not a critical success immediately. Either way, they eventually came around, and within two years the book had won the big three.

    The real reason I loved the book as a kid was because of Case! He was one of the guys who made me want to grow up to be a code cowboy (even if I didn't come close). Gibson gave the nerd a sexy and dangerous side that put the cyberpunk genre on the map, soon after every would be 'hacker' was longing for 'cyberspace' just like Case was:

    A year [in Japan] and he still dreamed of cyberspace, hope fading nightly.... He'd see the matrix in his sleep, bright lattices of logic unfolding across that colorless void.... The Sprawl was a long strange way home over the Pacific now, and he was no console man, no cyberspace cowboy. Just another hustler, trying to make it through. But the dreams came on in the Japanese night like livewire voodoo, and he'd cry for it, cry in his sleep, and wake alone in the dark, curled in his capsule in some coffin hot el, his hands clawed into the bedslab, temperfoam bunched between his fingers, trying to reach the console that wasn't there.'

    A master at the top of his game.

  49. Re:Blasphemy by bigberk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you want some real futurism and mind-numbing conceptual sci-fi novels, try reading Philip K Dick.
    I'm actually a fan of both Gibson and Philip K. Dick... check out The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldrich, this is a wild book and you don't hear too much about it.
  50. 10 years ago I chatted briefly with him... by DerProfi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    at some lackluster book signing (can't even remember which book) he was attending at a store in Washington DC. I asked him to sign my copy with "Dear Stranger, Sorry I had this book printed in such a terrible typeface. It won't happen again, Thanks, WG" He got mock-defensive and I apologized profusely at which point he grinned and talked with me for several minutes about why he had selected what he called the "East Berlin Street Sign Font", most of which I proceeded to forget although I do remember that he mentioned something about having traveled there shortly after the wall came down. I doubt I'll ever come face-to-face with another well-known writer who's cool enough to talk to some random schmoe the way he did, so mad love to you, Bill! And there ends the one and only semi-namedropping post I could ever hope to make on Slashdot...

    Oh, and he chose to sign my book with a simple "BAD TYPE! William Gibson".

    Smart-ass...

    PS, anyone checking out his oevre should definitely not miss his short stories

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  51. Gibson is pretty much like the Matrix movies by GCP · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It amazes me how many technical types go ga-ga over Gibson's writings or the Matrix movies. They're all atmosphere and no substance. Wow! Hot chick assassins in black leather and shades! Kewwwl!

    I've spoken with Gibson. He knows little about either technology or Asia and doesn't deny it. He's not a phony. All he claims to be doing is "creating a mood", and he thinks it pretty odd that techies would consider him some sort of visionary.

    I do, too. I don't mind atmosphere, but only when it's a natural-feeling background to a world that is substantially believable and interesting. For it to really grab me, it needs to feel like a sneak preview of a future that, based on what I know of the technologies and cultures, I consider to be enough of a realistic possibility that I want to pay attention. I want to learn about that future from the book and walk away with my head buzzing with new ideas.

    Instead, I get black leather clad Bad Boy and Bad Girl rebel anti-heroes in sunglasses battling the Evil Big Corporations. Whoa. Deep. [yawn...]

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  52. Re:Blasphemy by ultrasound · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If I remember correctly, the linking character is the enigmatic Molly.

    I just finished Mona Lisa Overdrive, Molly is in Mona Lisa (with the pseudonym Polly), and the Count is in both Mona Lisa and Count Zero, but I dont remember Molly being in Count Zero.

    As a side note, I think it is a great trilogy. Gibson really makes you work hard, he tosses in throwaway lines about the state of the world, different technologies, jargon for new technologies (microsofts, stims) etc. which other authors would take pages to explain. It makes it much more difficult to read as the reader is left to infer the meaning, and it gives the reader a feeling of culture shock because you dont fully understand immediately everything that you see. But I think this adds to the gritty reality of the books, and Gibsons cyber universe.

  53. From Neuromancer to Pattern Recognition by theolein · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am amongst the many people who were quite dissapointed with pattern recognition. One could, however, have seen it coming for quite a while now as his second trilogy, the Bridge series, was quite a step down in terms of interest (who really cared about the bridge), innovation (wow, vr glasses and vrml websites!! how cool) and tension (the pro assassin is sort of like a gap model with a knife).

    The things that really made Neuromacer and Count Zero for me (MLO was starting to get boring, somehow) were the grimy, gritty texture of the settings (this got translated marvelously into the matrix), the interesting characters (Case, Molly, the Finn, The Count etc) who were all from a criminal strata, the plot that is extremely well thought out and paced, the AI's (Neuromancer and Wintermute make excellent characters) and his ability to describe minute details in a setting that could conjure up a visible image of the room or place in one's mind.

    So what if there weren't any cell-phones. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon came out in 1973 and used musical tech from that era, and I still love it.

    Even in the bridge trilogy there were parts which were true Gibson where he was describing the hard luck times of the male hero working for the store as a security man.

    I think that what started Gibson off on his journey of boredom is when he had made enough money to no longer have to write at his very best level, in order to survive. He started then writing about rich boring people.

    Perhaops about the time he became one too.

  54. Gibson Pattern Recognition paperback tour by Mr_Ust · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I caught Gibson in New York yesterday. It was interesting to see him in person. He talked about how he is often accused of being prescient. As an example, he said that he had no idea that pilates would become so big by the time the book came out. Take that with a grain of salt, he didn't come across as arrogant at all. He read the first chapter of Pattern Recognition, answered a few questions from the audience, and then spent about an hour signing books.

    Some of the questions were about:

    • The influence of No Logo on the main character (very tenuous, he saw the title and got the idea).
    • His writing technique and how he likes to describe everything in minute detail (he said the granularity is dictated by his subconcious).

    One of the main points of the talk was how he would hate to be thought of as a didactic writer. He likes to shape the characters and let their motivations move the story along.

    He denied being the creator of his own genre, but he said it was something he aspired to.

    I had bought Pattern Recognition the week before and I hadn't known he was coming into town, so I spent the last few days fininshing it before seeing him speak in person. It's an excellent book and the reviews are quite right when they say that it's his best book since Neuromancer.

  55. Re:Blasphemy by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Just out of curiosity... am I the only one for whom Neuromancer fell flat? The first 50 or 100 pages were impressive, and... then... it... went... nowhere...
    Back in the day, somebody came to me and said, "You gotta read this amazing new cyberpunk stuff, it's this new word, it means all these cool new authors, like try this William Gibson guy."

    I said, "Cyberpunk? What is that, you mean sorta like Blade Runner?"

    And you know what, turns out I was pretty much right. The ideas and stories of the big "cyberpunk explosion" (and those of you who used to haunt SF bookstores back then know what a media hype machine it was, for a while) just didn't strike me as being anything particularly revelatory.

    OTOH, I found Count Zero to be a helluva enjoyable book, and it's still my favorite of Gibson's.

    Pattern Recognition didn't impress me too much. I found Gibson's non-technical viewpoint was too pervasive in it. His characters, working in the graphic design industry, really probably would have heard of digital watermarking before.

    What would have surprised them (and what confused me) was the idea that digital watermarks could somehow be used to trace data as it moves through the Internet. How does that work, exactly? Last I heard, the purpose of digital watermarks is to identify a given image, to prove its origins. If the creator of the images doesn't want to be identified, then why watermark them?

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