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Famous Hawking Black Hole Bet Resolved?
Mick Ohrberg writes "In 1997 the three cosmologists Stephen Hawking, Kip Thorne and John Preskill made a famous bet as to whether information that enters a black hole ceases to exist -- that is, whether the interior of a black hole is changed at all by the characteristics of particles that enter it. It now looks like Stephen Hawking and Kip Thorne may owe John Preskill a set of encyclopedias of his choice, since physicists at Ohio State University 'have derived an extensive set of equations that strongly suggest that the information continues to exist -- bound up in a giant tangle of strings that fills a black hole from its core to its surface.'"
and he looks really pissed about it too.
Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
"Stephen Hawking and Kip Thorne may owe John Preskill a set of encyclopedias of his choice"
Do they take Wiki?
Yikes! Sounds like all information that enters a black hole turns into spaghetti code!!! The horror! The horror!
That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
In my physics experience, coincidence typically means you got the right answer... unless it's a test question, in which case you're probably wrong.
To follow knowledge like a sinking star, / Beyond the utmost bound of human thought. ("Ulysses", Tennyson)
No, NO, Space_Cowboy, you have got it ALL WRONG.
Now I want you to repeat after me:
- First
- Post
- !
I say we send someone to find out for sure... Darl, you interested?
Now, I forgot what it was that I thought I knew.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
the information in the black hole, we'll finally find Amelia Earhart. And Jimmy Hoffa. And hundreds of millions of socks. And Duke Nukem Forever.
> Unless I'm missing something here? Cosmologists?
"Is there a cosmologist in the house? Anyone? My god, get this man a cosmologist!"
Information wants to be free!
Yuk Yuk
Shut up, I could have posted a goatse link and referring to black holes.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
is this like an infinite number of monkeys with those typewriters? And since time passes so strangly there, why the heck haven't we detected x-rays sending Shakespear?
No, i think that we haven't detected Shakespear because we've been looking for him rather than Shakespeare
Sounds like the back of my desk!
"Proudly Posting Without Reading The Article"
... physicists at Ohio State University 'have derived an extensive set of equations that strongly suggest that the information continues to exist -- bound up in a giant tangle of strings that fills a black hole from its core to its surface.'
Sure they do. Physics is the new theology.
I found that in physics, going with 'common' sense or your gut was a good way to look stupid while making it obvious that you didn't review the lecture material the night before.
On the flip side, the math always did a hell of a job predicting the outcome of experiments.
FAT32 is a pretty good data singularity, goes in but won't come back out
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
*raises hand*
So would you call it an unknown unknown, or a known unknown?
I think these physicists think that they're so much smarter than the rest of us that they can string a bunch of big words together in a sentence that really makes no sense at all and pass it off on us as the greatest discovery ever, assuming that we're ignorant enough to take their word for it. After reading that article intro, I think they're making a safe bet... :)
jason
Have a good day?! Impossible! I'm at work!
An array of characters.
Computer Science 101, fool.
1. Read up on advanced physics
2. Make bet against famous physicists
3. ???
4. Profit!
Slashdot, where information goes to die.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
'have derived an extensive set of equations that strongly suggest that the information continues to exist -- bound up in a giant tangle of strings that fills a black hole from its core to its surface.'
They have, of course, been to my companys headquarters, which explains their source. If he could only explain how to get information back, I might be able to do my job...
I have to change careers. These physicists (sp?) have just created the biggest manefestation of a quantom physics illustration ever (namely scrondiggers (sp?) cat). The black hole is the box, the information entering the event horizon is the cat. Anything at the singularity is not observable and is therefore in a permanent state of flux between states (not really, but our ignorance of what's going on creates that condition). When we make observation our predispositions on the data influence the observation and change the reality. In other words YOU CAN'T BE WRONG NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!
Is there some way I can get this gig?
It doesn't matter what you wrap your emotions around, Reality is a brick wall specifically designed to scramble eggs
I had a conversation about this very topic this afternoon. I even uttered the phrase, "Thank God black holes have no hair!" I'm glad I didn't bet on it.
On a side note, what would be a good bet for physics today? "I'll bet you the Google cache..."
And remember, not only am I president of the hair club for black holes, I'm also a client.
The pictures prove it.
I love you, Stephen Hawking.
Damn that peer review. The Nobel board laughed at me when my theory was submited, but I'll show them. Yes, I'll show them.
Mwuhhahahahahahha!
KFG
Because you are right, your loose definition of tautology is true.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
So for the quantum astronomy and astrophysics geeks, am I missing something?
This sig no verb.
Will it come with a free bottle of correction fluid and a pen?
Decompression support expected in next WinZip release.
Canthros
However, there is no proof that any of the information survives, after being caught up in red tape. Indeed, all evidence so far suggests that it does not.
(Beurocracy particles are a subclass of Strange Quarks that have beeen influenced by a politic Ion)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
That's the sound of this article flying over my head.
"bound up in a giant tangle of strings that fills a black hole from its core to its surface"?
So it's really just a tightly wound baseball?
"What's the most expensive encyclopedia you've ever seen?"
I don't know about you but I need physical proof of this. I say the winner must travel to a black hole and prove that matter exists within the hole.
Steven Hawking is a parapalegic... I don't know how it would work with him.
blog & fiction: jd87
10% troll...
20% off-topic...
70% funny???
you people spent 10 mod points on this snippet of humour?! Scheisse!
I keep getting 2 + 2 = 5, I think my value of 2 is too large ;)
Not if you're dealing with teenagers. Hence why occasionally 1 + 1 = 3...
As long as there is a Second Amendment, there will always be a First Amendment.
Like the WWW? So, finding information trapped in a black hole sounds like a job for ... (ta-daa) ...: Black Hole Google! Boldly going where no search engine has gone before...
Sigs are bad for your health.
Stephen Hawking: I call it a Hawking hole. Fry: No fair! I named it first!
Stephen Hawking: Who is the Journal of Applied Physics going to believe?.
Yes: They have great, juicy apples. He's currently trying to figure out how the snake delivers them but has a theory that it slaps them out of the tree with its tail.
Money for nothing, pix for free
10% of the mod points fell into a black hole.
Free as in mason.
Other way:
a = b + c
a(a - b) = (b + c)(a - b)
aa - ab = ba - bb + ac - bc
aa - ab - ac = ba - bb - bc
a(a - b - c) = b(a - b - c)
a = b
Now:
5 = 4 + 1
This is undoubtedly true, and it's the first equation with a = 5, b = 4, c = 1.
Therefore also the last equation is true:
5 = 4
Finally, use that equation with
2 + 2 = 4
and you've got
2 + 2 = 5
quod erat demonstrandum.
Now, to proof that we have really truth, let's proof the central equation (i.e. 5 = 4) again in a completely different way:
-20 = -20 (obviously true)
25 - 45 = 16 - 36 (just rewrote the numbers as differences)
25 - 45 + 81/4 = 16 - 36 + 81/4 (added 81/4 on both sides)
(5 - 9/2)^2 = (4 - 9/2)^2 (used binomic formula)
5 - 9/2 = 4 - 9/2 (took the square root)
5 = 4 (added 9/2 on both sides)
So, agan we have 5 = 4, using a completely diffferent proof. Now, this clearly shows 5 = 4 is true, and therefore also 2 + 2 = 5.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Beware of zebra crossings.
"Can there be a Klein bottle that is an efficient and effective beer pitcher?"
> trying to debate black hole phenomena with no education save some physics courses in high school.
You elitist twat! I know everything I need to know about black holes from Elementary Science classes, and anyone who says otherwise is itching for a fight!
Of course black holes are proven to be a point in space where everything blew up & opened a hole to the next dimension where there is less pressure, so everything gets sucked up and spewed into it. This next dimension is heaven, and black holes are how you get there, duh! They are God's portals.
Geez, if it weren't for my terrific home schooling, I'd think future generations are doomed. Psh, quantum theory... more like quantum... uh... your mom! hehe, I'm so funny. And original!
In 'Brief History of Time', Hawking talks about a bet for one year subscription to 'Penthouse'. Any idea about that bet?
Happy Hacking!!!