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Guinness's World's Smallest Hard Drive Record

ketbra writes "CNN reports that Toshiba has received the Guinness World record for the smallest disk drive for their new 0.85-inch HDD. (Covered on Slashdot a while back) The technology editor from Guiness made the comment that "Toshiba's innovation means that I could soon hold more information in my watch than I could on my desktop computer just a few years ago". "

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  1. Guiness has no idea.... by bobthemuse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine what they are getting themselves into. Will companies now apply for largest screen? Fastest start-up time? Fastest processor? Quietest fan? Largest spam mailing?

    1. Re:Guiness has no idea.... by HD+Webdev · · Score: 5, Funny

      Smallest market share?

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    2. Re:Guiness has no idea.... by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think largest screen and fastest processor (in MIPS not Hz) are already listed.

    3. Re:Guiness has no idea.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      While smallest, largest, fastest, etc are very short held titles in computers, first is an important distinction.


      An apprpriate distinction for GBWR:
      Toshiba Claims First Harddrive to Float on the Head of a Guiness

    4. Re:Guiness has no idea.... by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, if I run a RAM disk on my SD card then what category do I get?

      If I manage to make a spinning media HD of the same physical size but it holds more data does it get marked down as "smallest" or "largest" or "largest smallest"?

      If I'm driving the speed of light and turn on my headlights do I get "fastest car", "slowest light" or most "expensive ticket"?

      TW

    5. Re:Guiness has no idea.... by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative
      I think largest screen and fastest processor (in MIPS not Hz) are already listed.

      Hmm -- if they are they aren't included on the webpage. But then the webpage states that it only includes a "fraction" of the 40,000 records included in the database so there you have it. Too bad they don't let you access everything and merely use the page as a plug for the book.

      Interestingly enough here is the fastest DSP and here is the biggest TV set. Those were the most interesting results out of my search for screen size and processors.

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    6. Re:Guiness has no idea.... by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the 2002 GBRW UK edition p.168 (I don't know if all countries have the same content):

      Fastest computer: IBM's RS/6000 ASCI white, capable of 12 trillion calculations per second, with 6Tb memory and 160Tb storage memory Most powerful PDA: Compaq H3360 iPaq Pocket PC
  2. At last.... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    At last, a hard drive thats also a suppository. Just what we need after a few too many rounds of Guinness.

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    1. Re:At last.... by baywulf · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean those 5-1/2 drives could not be used as suppositories? How do you think Mr. Goatse got the way he is?

    2. Re:At last.... by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a problem swallowing the need for that. "Good NEWS!, It's a suppository." - the Professor.

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    3. Re:At last.... by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I always suspected that size did matter after all. But smaller is better? Who would have thought???

  3. You know you're a geek if... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

    You look at the picture and say "Damn, that's a big quarter."

    1. Re:You know you're a geek if... by sepluv · · Score: 4, Funny
      Glad I'm not the only one.

      As I'm in the UK, I thought "they have very big coins in the US don't they?"

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    2. Re:You know you're a geek if... by Mikkeles · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Canada, they're even larger:^)

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  4. Huh? Where's it go? by basil+montreal · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bigger the inside, the smaller the outside. I've already lost 2 hard drives this way... When will they stop?? Is it too much to ask for something at least one cubic foot?

  5. Adorable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it strange to think that hard drive is cute ?

    Not sure why, but it just seems adorable in a little puppy dog kind of way.

  6. Odd by kneecarrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I find Guiness World Records for computer parts strange. Everyone knows that all parts are in a constant upgrade cycle. 0.85 today, 0.80 tomorrow.

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    1. Re:Odd by tanguyr · · Score: 4, Funny

      tomorrow they'll put 16 gb drives *inside* quarters.

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    2. Re:Odd by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, obviously it's all part of the Great Publisher Conspiracy.

      Computer parts get better all the time; thus, they can publish "Guiness '04", and then push "Guiness '05" as an essential upgrade two years later.

  7. BSOD by Mr.+Certainly · · Score: 3, Funny

    What will we do when our watches have a BSOD?

    1. Re:BSOD by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Naturally, we'll have to press Inidlo-Start-Mode to reboot it.

  8. Already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My computer about a decade ago had a 500 meg HD, now I've got a pocket USB drive with about the same capacity.

  9. YES by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now my porn is more accessible than ever.

    1. Re:YES by wviperw · · Score: 3, Funny

      In the not too far future... [man looks down at watch] "What time is it Pamela?"

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  10. So who will be the first....... by MrIrwin · · Score: 4, Funny

    To set the record for how many you can eat in a minute using a cocktail stick?

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  11. What a let down... by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was anyone else supremely disappointed to see the word 'Guinness' (possibly mispelled) and find that the article was not about beer, with this being the day before St. Patty's day and all?

    (Offtopic +1, Beer)

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    1. Re:What a let down... by beanyk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Was anyone disappointed to see people call "Paddy's Day" "Patty's Day"? There's a difference, though it may not sound like it if you slur your "t"s.

    2. Re:What a let down... by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ta an ceart agat.

      Sorry. Forgot my Gaelic roots.

      (for others not versed in Irish history - St. Patrick is actually St. Paidrig in the local Gaelic language, so the abbreviation should be St. Paddy not St. Patty)

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  12. Smallest Drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only person that immediately thought, "Wow, 1 bit!".

    1. Re:Smallest Drive by damien_kane · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Wow, 1 bit!"

      Being about the size of a quarter, wouldn't it be 2 bits?

    2. Re:Smallest Drive by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Being about the size of a quarter, wouldn't it be 2 bits?

      Which is what you need to encode all possibilites of getting a shave and/or haircut, coincidentally enough.

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  13. great.. by Anubis333 · · Score: 3, Funny

    One more thing to lose. I can't wait for the day when I need tweasers and a magnifying glass to replace a HD.

    1. Re:great.. by Blublu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Do you realize what you just posted?

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  14. Imagine a ... by Merlin42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RAID array of these things. I'm being serious, really.

    Just think in a normal 3.5inch drive case you could probably fit at least 30 of these drives (lets say 1.5inch x 1 inch for each drive with two 3x5 layers, should leave plenty of room for electronics). Given the tiny size of each drive the seek times are probably phenominal) and even if each one wasn't all that fast or even reliable they could be combined to make an incrediably fast drive (using RAID5 or similar internally) with amazing seek times. BUT it might cost an arm and a leg, unless mass manufacturing could bring prices WAY down.

    1. Re:Imagine a ... by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Some reasons this wouldn't work:
      • I don't think the seek time is necessarily all that great. The actuator is also minaturized and the precision of movement required is likely higher than a normal hard disk.
      • The overhead, in processor time in the controller and accounting on the disks themselves, involved in a 30-way RAID configuration would be enormous and probably well above the point of diminishing returns.
      These things really are designed for applications where space is a premium; you could get orders of magnitude more space for the same cost or less with physically larger disks.
    2. Re:Imagine a ... by Xzzy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stacked like a roll of quarters, you could fit around 200 of these into a space 19 inches wide.. the width of a standard rack.

      That's 800 gigs per 1u assuming 4gb per disk, and that's not even considering the additional 29 inches (or so) of depth you'd have in the case. Which from a density perspective is pretty close to what already exists.. you can easily get 4 terabyte in a 3 unit chassis these days.

      I wouldn't envy the poor engineer that would have to design the wiring for such a setup however, not to mention dealing with pesky details like swapping out bad disks and heat dissipation.

  15. Reliability? by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Smaller disks generally mean smaller margins of reliability, whether that's because of missing safeties or just smaller margins for error.

    I bought an MP3 player a while ago (iRiver iGP-100), which has a "reduced" HD. That worked well for a while, but recently I've lost everything from the 300MB mark and up.

    I don't know why this happened, and frankly I don't care; I'm just happy that I have a three-year warranty, and they're letting me upgrade to a newer model which uses a larger, and thus safer, HD. For free. (Apparenly they didn't have replacement drives in stock; the law is the law, though.)

    Well, enough about me. Now, about these drives: Would you trust your data to one of them?

  16. but... by Roger+Keith+Barrett · · Score: 2

    does it run linux?

    i guess.. more on point... how do you access it? It would seem a ribbon cable would be bigger than the HD!

    Anyway.... IDE, SCSI... is it something I could put in my box right now (if it were out)? Wow... imagine a RAID array full of 15000 of those or so....

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  17. I miss the bar bets. by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's one thing to have a book of records that's based on bar bets, and things that just involve getting a bunch of semi-skilled people together to do.

    Does anyone care about corporate achievements in the Guiness record books? (other than the corporations, that is).

    If they want in to the book, get 1139 people with golf carts, and break the record for longest golf cart parade.

    I just think about the Guiness book being about things that are done almost solely for getting into the book, with no significant redeeming qualities other than getting someone's name in print. You know -- longest toenails. Worst smelling shoes -- the types of things that the average person could pull off with a bit of dedication, and not needing a multi-million dollar research facility, and not being directly linked to a company's product development.

    How about 'shortest MTBF' for the next hard drive record?

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  18. Good for mp3 players by RichM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple, Creative and other people who make these HD-based mp3 players really should use hard drives like this. One of the main reasons that I haven't bought an iPOD yet is because of the size of the thing...

    1. Re:Good for mp3 players by Pumpernickle · · Score: 3, Informative

      They have miniature iPods now, that are quite a bit smaller than the big ones. I don't think it's the storage medium on the iPods that's the limiting factor, a lot of it seems to be the interface - there's a minimum amount of control surface, screen, etc. that people need to comfortably use the things.

    2. Re:Good for mp3 players by rraiford · · Score: 2, Informative

      uhh they do. iPod Mini uses microdrives

  19. The next wave is comming by Stevyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thousands of geeks applied to Guinness for creating the smallest linux distro. At the end of the day, only 3 were left standing.

  20. That's nothing... by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first hard drive I ever bought was only 5 megabytes (no, not gigabytes). That's way smaller than the one in the article.

  21. A Day Early? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    Nearly everyone knows that St. Patrick's Day is the 17th, and a day many people tip a pint of Guinness in tribute, in a pub, for which (ta-da) the Guinness Book or World Records was created to settle bets and disagreements.

    Consider two geeks in a pub (yeah, it's a stretch, usually one pint and they're under the table babbling about some OS or Kirk&Spok or making Monty Python references before passing out, ..):

    Geek 1: "So then I visualized a tiny Beowulf cluster with a slew of IBM microdrives, the smallest drives in the world and it was..."
    Geek 2: "Whoa, Cowboy, Toshiba has the smallest hard drive in the world."
    Geek 1: "No, it's IBM, you're wrong romulan breath!"
    Geek 2: "NOT! It's Toshiba!"
    Barmaid: "Hold on boys, I'll get the book to settle this."
    Geek 1: "Awe crap, OK, so it's Toshiba!"
    Geek 2: "Facial burns on you!"
    Geek 1: "So I filled out a request for the parts."
    Geek 2: "What did purchasing say?"
    Geek 1: "They said they couldn't understand it because I filled it out in spanish."
    Geek 2: "Ah ha! They didn't expect the spanish requisisition!"
    Barmaid throws the book at them.

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  22. Not actually innovation by leandrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one irritated when improvements get called innovations?

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    1. Re:Not actually innovation by bloggins02 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not that I'm entirely disagreeing with you, but I would like to make one nit-pick...

      The drive itself may not be an innovation, but the manufacturing processes required to make it certainly are.

  23. Now what we need are camera watches. by demonic-halo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes,

    We can all be super spies. With gigs of data in a watch, we can sneak into foreign embassies and video tape almost everything in sight.

  24. Guinness has been duped! by tmhsiao · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone in the industry knows that Toshiba hasn't made small hard drives, they've bred huge people

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  25. Guinness is the new Moore's Law bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, seriously. People used to have to really work hard at breaking records before. And Guinness occasionally had to work hard to find them. Now, it's just a natural, virtually unstoppable progression for all "records" related to technology. Truly lame. The technology secion of Guinness has become a newspaper, effectively.

    Get rid of the tech companies and bring back the human freaks! Guinness has closed many really cool (and difficult) categories like "Eating a Bicycle".

  26. The real problem is... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...battery capacity. Already they're having trouble with the latest phone/camera/pda/calender/games/java/high res/high color monitor/video recording/video playback/pim/triband/polyphonic/mp3/aac/mms/fm radio/email/browser/bluetooth/gprs/wap/hscsd/touch screen/edge/wcdma/portrait caller id/flashlight/calorie counter/thermometer/picture editor/fax/word processor/excel/ppt viewer/flash player/kitchen sink cell phones (all actual features, tho not in the same phone...)

    Kjella

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  27. Re:Get a clue by whathappenedtomonday · · Score: 2, Funny
    > What planet are you on?

    now that is one heck of a good question - so you don't know, either? I feel better already...

    apart from that, exactly why is this news on /.? the drive itself has already been covered here, and as you say, theres little a geek could get out of the guinness book. their beer is ok, but that's about it.

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  28. Re:Get a clue by bobthemuse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My point was not making fun of Guinness for searching out obscure facts, but that many of the things I mentioned change frequently. On top of that, try getting a large group of people to agree (think fastest processor: AMD vs. Intel).

  29. Quarter storage capacity by odie_q · · Score: 3, Funny

    I believe the storage capacity of a standard coin is 1 bit, heads or tails. Some coins can also be placed on their edge, producing a third result. This is however considered out of spec, and will generally stabilize to one of the two defined states.

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  30. Slashdot "one upping" Mad libs-- by seibed · · Score: 3, Funny

    the competition to see who had the earliest/smallest bit of technology:

    "I had a [sinclair, 128k mac, apple, amiga] with a [subtract one unit from previous post]k hard drive, even after I doubled it in size with [crappy software] I wish I still had it, I'd set it up to run a [web server, distributed computing ap] but for now I guess I will have to be satisfied with running it in emulation mode with my [DR-DOS, OS2, BeOS, DOS 3.1] box!

  31. Re:Not a troll - basic physical chemistry by Razor+Blades+are+Not · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice reply to your own post.

    There are no such things as those elements to which you refer, and Anser albifrons is the scientific name for the White-fronted goose (which, by the way, lives nowhere near Greece, as it is a native of the northern Americas, concentrated around Alaska and Greenland where it breeds and migrating down to Texas).

    Considering these facts, and the otherwise content-free nature of your post, I think a troll moderation was kind.

    Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

  32. I plan on... by enrico_suave · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm going to fill up the world's tiniest drive with really really small thumbnail sized pr0n!

    e.

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  33. As they are the sponsors... by Tmack · · Score: 2, Informative
    and original creators of the book itself, I would think so...

    Info..

    Tm

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  34. seek times & a book recomendation by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, seek times tend to improve the smaller the disk. It's less mass to move, over a shorter distance. Seagate claims their new 2.5" 10k RPM server-class drive has a 15% faster seek speed than 3.5" drives.

    The book The Innovator's Dilemma has a great case study of hard drives, from 14", 8", 5.25", 3.5", 2.5", and beyond and explains why the advantages that each smaller size offers (and why virtually none of the companies that are best at one size manage to sell well into the next smaller size). It's a great book.