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Freeware for Windows -- Where Did It Go?

Talahamut asks: "The other day, I was planning on recording a radio show by running my stereo's output into my PC. Oooh, that sucks - WinXP's Sound Recorder limits you to 60 sec. recordings. Oh well, I'll just go online and grab a little WAV recorder. 30 minutes later, I'm frustrated because all I find is crippleware (time-limited, of course...) that records every format under the sun from any sound stream imaginable. What happened to the small home-brewed Windows utilities that used to be so easy to find online years ago? All the freeware sites I checked had nothing but commercial crippleware. Is there no place to find simple programs like that anymore?"

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  1. download.com? by eviljolly · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try going to www.download.com and searching under programs with freeware licenses.

    1. Re:download.com? by Grab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe he just needs to "try searching". I know assholes post on boards saying "where do I find XYZ?" instead of checking Google first, but it's really come to a pretty sad state when they get an "Ask Slashdot" instead of searching Google!

      Grab.

    2. Re:download.com? by rot26 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Download.com and similar sites used to be good sources of freeware, but since they started charging to list your software, the freeware is gone; at best, the authors will want to recoup their listing fee.

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    3. Re:download.com? by gi-tux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Along the same lines is the expense of developing on the Windows Platform. If you use actual legal copies of Microsoft's development tools, the cost is somewhat significant. This makes the bar to being able to afford to develop freeware a little higher.

      Also, more and more companies are making it difficult to develop freeware if you are a corporate developer. Many companies now claim that they own everything that you do even on your own time, or at least have very strict rules about using company assests (their development tools) to do personal work.

      These combined together have hurt "free" software on windows. The financial side keeps young programmers from developing "free" software, as they desparately need to recover their costs. The business side keeps many professional programmers from contributing as they don't want to fight the corporate battles to defend what they are doing. I know several folks in both categories. Most of the young folks are moving to Linux where the tools are much less expensive and the professional guys are finding things to do besides computer work on their own time.

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    4. Re:download.com? by armentage · · Score: 5, Interesting

      THe thing about the cost on developing windows is not 100% true. You can download Microsoft's command-line C/C++/C# compilers for free, along with SDK's for developing Internet apps, GUI apps, database apps, and much much more. You have to pay for their IDE, debugger and for a local copy of the manuals, BUT you can do a whole lot for free. Don't forget either that the basic Visual C++/C# package is only $99. There's always GCC/Cygwin. You can install the free MS SDK, and then use any Cygwin development tools you like. Thing is, most windows developers actually LIKE Visual C++. It's really a great environment once you customize it (far less so than you need to customize Emacs).

    5. Re:download.com? by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Download.com and similar sites used to be good sources of freeware, but since they started charging to list your software, the freeware is gone; at best, the authors will want to recoup their listing fee.

      The worst part is that they only charge the little guys. My company (big internet company) released a client-side application last year. Download.com approached us and offered to host it for free. They've served a ton of downloads and we've never paid them a cent. They even featured it for a while -- something we neither asked for nor discussed with them.

      Yet the little guy that gets ten downloads a week actually has to pay for it...

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    6. Re:download.com? by Cynikal · · Score: 5, Funny
      maybe he was using jeeves?

      not everyone has discovered google yet...

      I personally think all search engines should have as the first hit:

      Results:

      1) Seach for this on Google, Dumbass Acuracy - 100%

    7. Re:download.com? by MrResistor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obviously it's been a while since you've tried to find anything on download.com that was both free AND useful. The combination is pretty much non-existant these days.

      As mentioned by others, most of the freeware developers have moved on to Free platforms, BUT a lot of that stuff has been ported to Windows. TheOpenCD has a good listing of Open Source stuff that's been ported. Check the forums if you don't find exactly what you're looking for, as a lot of apps don't get included on the CD for various reasons (space, duplication of functionality, etc).

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    8. Re:download.com? by Christopher_G_Lewis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, there are a couple of free IDE's for the .Net world.

      Microsoft offers a *FREE* ASP.Net development IDE called ASP.NET Matrix available at www.ASP.Net. It's geared towards code writing, so you don't get a great WYSIWYG HTML tool, but you can do some pretty cool stuff with it.

      For a Windows Form IDE, look at SharpDevelop which is currently in Beta release .99b :-). It's open source (GPL) so if it doesn't work, you can fix it. I haven't looked at this one in a little while (beta .95), but it looks like the development team is rolling right along, and in fact, I'll probably download a copy of it today for evaluation. I'm a VS user, but actually write *a lot* of C# test code fragments in TextPad.

      I'm sure there are others, but I've actually used those two IDE's (well, three if you count TextPad :-) and would recommend them.

    9. Re:download.com? by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The availability of a free-as-in-beer compiler for Windows doesn't have as much of an impact on Windows programmers as you might think. In the free-software world, the good coders tend to work on the Linux kernel and such things. In the Windows world, the good coders tend to want money for their work. Which means that the people left to develop freeware (i.e. free-as-in-beer, not-usually-free-as-in-speech software) are...

      The not-so-good coders. The coders who would just look at you funny if you suggested that they use a command-line tool.

      Sure, there are exceptions, like the excellent IrfanView and of course the wonderful (and also free-as-in-speech!) utility CDEX, and of course many "cross-platform" projects like Audacity and The GIMP (many of which originated in the Linux/Unix world anyhow)... buuuut... the majority of the freeware coders in the Windows world tend to be those who couldn't easily make a living off of their code.

      You have to remember that the CULTURE in the Windows world is not like that of the Linux world...

      While we're on the topic of comparative culture (drifting rapidly off-topic here, but...), please note that in Windows-land, money is a much stronger motivator. Additionally, in Windows-land, conformity is a lot more prevalent. You still see Unix coders who prefer some obscure clone of EMACS or vi, or an even more obscure editor no one's heard of, or one they wrote themselves. Windows people tend to write their papers in MS Word, and only MS Word... because that's what everyone else uses. It is a more conformist culture (this isn't a judgment, it's simply a fact!)

      I am, at this very moment, editing a letter using GNU nano and a CGI I scripted in Perl to format it nicely for printing and/or PDFing. I'm not using MS Office, or even OpenOffice. And there are gajillions of people using "weird" or otherwise obscure solutions like that throughout the Unix world. In Windows-land, a weird approach like that would just get you funny looks. Like I said-- differences in culture...

    10. Re:download.com? by acroyear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      well, a guarenteed download/sale brings in "eyeballs", keeping their advertising rates high. if they can say to the advertisers "look how many people saw our site for ...", they can keep the advertising money flowing to more than cover costs for hosting the popular product.

      the little-guys downloads aren't common enough to warrent raising advertising costs for their specific pages to cover the expense of hosting.

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  2. It is linux's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the freelance programers have gone to linux. Maybe if more programmers spent time creating things for windows, they might find that they like it better than linux.

    1. Re:It is linux's fault by walt-sjc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bwahahahaha! Good one. Here's another. Maybe they will find it more stable and open. Maybe MS programmers will start participating with the community and answering questions on the developers newsgroups. :-)

      But one the serious side, all too many Windows developers get sucked into this idea that they are going to get rich off "shareware." It's just not fun. The developers who are just in it for fun are going to move to a truely open platform where they can share in the work of others in an evironment that fosters those ideals instead of the ideals of greed.

      So anyway, I don't think it's Windows programmers transitioning to Linux, it's just that most Windows programmers are greedy.

      Oh yeah, give this post a half :-)

    2. Re:It is linux's fault by exhilaration · · Score: 3, Informative

      PricelessWare is better. Actually, I think that's the best site for Windows freeware on the web - everything is reviewed.

    3. Re:It is linux's fault by cperciva · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try writing a multi-threaded app on Windows.

      The win32 threading API is very nice. Seriously -- I'm a FreeBSD developer, and there isn't much about Windows which I like, but win32 threads are really well thought out and intuitive.

  3. GNU/* and *BSD by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 3, Informative

    I guess most hobbists have moved to GNU/* and *BSD.

    When making free-as-in-cost, they may as well be doing free-as-in-freedom. And working with other developers that share code is nice.

    1. Re:GNU/* and *BSD by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      After a bit more thinking, maybe the demand for freeware has dropped due to fear of viruses and an increase in technophobic users. The latter is inevitable and isn't meant in a bad way. The former is a problem that is solved by source code liberation - when software has assistants or gaurdians rather than owners.

      When I need software? in kinda this order:
      $ grep keyword /var/lib/apt/lists/*
      (that's for Debian, but I'm sure there are similar package lists with descriptions on the other distros)

      If that doesn't work, I try the free software directory, and then freshmeat.

  4. Nonags... by sxyzzx · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.nonags.com

    1. Re:Nonags... by Da+Fokka · · Score: 5, Informative

      My favourite freeware site is:
      http://www.pricelessware.org/
      Selected by readers from the alt.freeware newsgroup.

  5. Opensource Ate Freeware by ameoba · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A vast majority of the stuff that was once released as freeware is now open source. There are a number of reasons behind this; the ubiquity of the internet and its usefulness in collaboration, the increased availability of high quality development tools and the fact that if you're not making money off some code, you might as well release the source.

    With that in mind, Audacity, while being a bit more full featured than a simple sound recorder, will take care of what you need.

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    1. Re:Opensource Ate Freeware by enigmatichmachine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      he's pretty much exactly on the nose there... my freeware search engine is sourceforge now. haven't used things like download.com for years. OH, and audacity rocks! its not soundforge, but its essentially windows sound recorder on a lot of steroids.

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    2. Re:Opensource Ate Freeware by ameoba · · Score: 3, Informative

      Freeware OGG to WAV decoder?

      I have to assume you're doing this in windows, since under Linux, if you had the ogg libraries you'd already have a decoder and be doing this with a simple shell script.

      So, take just about any decent audio player (such as winamp) that reads Ogg Vorbis and use it to write out WAV files instead of playing to the soundcard (on Winamp it's called the "Nullsoft disk-writer pluging"). Problem solved; you make a playlist, press play & a few seconds later, you're finished.

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  6. Searching found by Foo2rama · · Score: 5, Informative

    I use http://www.versiontracker.com to find all my software... I found these gems all freeware for you. Pocket voice recorder Sound recorder And the total search with "shareware" is Hope this helps

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    1. Re:Searching found by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      The first place I usually go is versiontracker, though sometimes they say have the program type- free, commercial, shareware wrong. Another awesome site, but with much more limited use is tinyApps. They keep track of various small, simple and free apps for Windows. Comes in handy a lot. Usually, if I need some app quick, I don't want to deal with a huge bohemoth- just give me something simple.

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  7. http://www.pricelessware.org/ by pancakeunicorn · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.pricelessware.org/

    1. Re:http://www.pricelessware.org/ by phildog · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.pricelessware.org/ - I'll 2nd this recommendation

      http://www.tinyapps.org/ - I've had some good luck here too.

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  8. It's called TUCOWS by eggstasy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ever heard of TUCOWS? You can search for software there, and order by license.
    AudioGrabber 1.83 is freeware, and is rated 5 stars. I used to use it to rip CDs, but the description claims it can do exactly what you need.

    1. Re:It's called TUCOWS by DeadSea · · Score: 4, Informative
      Some more resoureces:
      1. Open Directory: Freeware - Lists hundreds of sites offering freeware.
      2. Nonags - Better that tucows for Windows stuff because it doesn't list nagware.
  9. Audacity by Dave114 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It may be a little bit overkill for recording a radio program (although I've used the software for that before), but why not try the (open source) Audacity?

  10. Whats worst..... by vertical_98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that I can d/l a program for *Nix that is free (both beer and speech) and find that the exact same prog is shareware or commerical for Win32. VCDEasy and WinAirSnort come to mind.

    It doesn't kill me to pay for software, but I remember the CD's of free games and tools that anyone running DOS could use.
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  11. 2 reasons - Spyware and SourceForge.net by Captain+Kirk · · Score: 5, Insightful



    I'll never forget the mess AOL's icq client and Kazaa's browser stuff made of my PC. For most utilities, sourceforge tends to have it. Better still, software from sourceforge doesn't install a ton of spyware, hijack your web browser or do any of the crap that freeware/shareware people are forced to do to pay for hosting.

    This is one area where open source works. To see the benefit, compare DC++ or eMule with their proprietary equivalents. Better quality because no annoying attempt to install stuff other than what is needed.

    Spyware has killed the freeware/shareware world. The degree to which Miranda and eMule are better than their 'free as in beer' equivalents still amazes me.

  12. 2 answers in one by samjam · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://freshmeat.net/projects/audacity/

    Freshmeat.net lists MANY software applications as they are released, and as good search capabilities if you login.

    Audacity is one of the best non-complex sound recorders and mixers going, using wxWidgets works and looks right under linux, windows and probably more (you look).

    Sam

  13. That's how it goes by jsse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Years ago my friend who made a freeware called 'GameHack'(sort of, I forgot) was approached by a company for acquiring its source code with good offers. Then the company offers to commercialize his product and pay him royalty after he rejected the first offer. They didn't make the deal in the end.

    I think that's how the things go: you make good freeware and someone will support you to commercialize it if you don't do it yourself. We've seen a couple of such cases in OSS community. Developers are simply human who need to feed their kids and pay their mortage. :)

    P.S. Oh btw, the reason my friend declined their offers is that he lost the source code in a harddrive failure and he's too embarrass to admit it. :)

  14. Was there really lots of freeware? by GeckoUK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember there being lots of shareware that relied on your good will to send money to the creators.

    Perhaps the attitude of the article author that this was all "freeware" is why it has slowly changed to cripple-ware :)

    1. Re:Was there really lots of freeware? by eclectro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      shareware that relied on your good will to send money to the creators.

      The problem is there wasn't enough good will to buy groceries with. That's why I have seen most shareware titles either become demos or crippleware.

      It's funny also how all the "free downloads" really aren't.

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    2. Re:Was there really lots of freeware? by HeghmoH · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a fascinating article about the effectiveness of crippling shareware versus relying on goodwill at http://www.scrawlsoft.com/products/common/hardnose .html.

      The short summary: He did a study using a Windows shareware program. Upon installation, it randomly chose whether to be crippleware or simply remind the user to pay when starting and quitting the program, with a 50% chance of each. It did this in such a way that reinstalling wouldn't randomly choose again, so most people didn't even realize there were two "versions". The crippled version sold over five times as many copies.

      Granted, this is a single example and may not be representative of all situations, but it's the best study I'm aware of so far. It puts the "people who will buy it will pay for it anyway, don't piss people off by crippling the product" position in serious doubt, at least in my mind.

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  15. Re:Switch to Linux by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

    So become part of the growing Linux community, install linux today, because this is where the cool windows programmers have gone!

    This commercial in a thread is brought to you by Anonymous Coward productions, located in Sausalito California copyright 2004 All rights reserved.

    We now return you to your regular slashdot reading.

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  16. It's not limited to 60 seconds by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Informative

    It just looks that way because of a bad, bad, bad UI.

    Record 60 seconds of silence. Now save them as a file, and import it into the current sample. Voila! a 2-minute sample, which you can record over. Repeat as necessary.

  17. Re:or perhaps by erebus24 · · Score: 4, Informative
    or perhaps you should search better :
    Total Recorder Standard Edition costs just $11.95 (USD). Most other recording packages cost more and deliver less. Additionally, all new program updates are available to purchasers at no cost!
  18. This is what you want by ptaff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GnuWin is a nice burnable collection of free software for Windows.

    I personally always include a "GPL" when I search for Windows software; helps filter out the cripppleware.

  19. AnalogX by Reddog0176 · · Score: 4, Informative

    AnalogX.com has some pretty good software. http://www.analogx.com/contents/download.htm

  20. it's generational by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm not convinced that it's as simple as "all the former Windows free(beer)ware developers are now doing Free(speech)ware for Linux." I just don't see a lot of that transition happening. I think it's more of a generational thing.

    The folks who wrote DOS and Windows freeware in the 80's and 90's have just gotten tired of it. It was fun, but the community of techie early adopters has been inundated with everybody and his mother-in-law, and it's just not the same anymore. If they're still doing it, they've decided to make a job of it: hence crippleware requiring payment. Some have moved on to Linux and such, but the rest are just middle-aged parents who don't have time or enthusiasm for it anymore.

    Meanwhile, the new generation of techie types (who could have been early adopters of PCs, but now it's too late for that) have either gone directly into open-source, or they've grown up in that "mature market" of Windows, where it seems that most of the neat toys and applets they'd want are already bundled with the OS, and the bubbling stewpot of innovation has cooled to a simmer.

    Another related factor is that the nature of the computer you take out of the box has changed dramatically over that timeframe. If you bought a computer 25 years ago, it was expected that you would do some programming with it. Turn on that Apple II or C64 or that IBM PC without an OS installed, and you're in a BASIC interpretter. The more recent computer purchaser is never really given that nudge.

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  21. Free Alternatives by apirkle · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're using Windows, you should probably be using all of these programs (if you need them). Most of them are pretty stable and mature.

    Audacity - Sound editing (so this post is on-topic!)

    Mozilla FireFox - Web browsing.

    The Gimp - graphics/photo editing

    Sodipodi - Vector graphics (SVG) editing. It's no Illustrator, but the basics are there, and they're pretty nice.

    OpenOffice - Not quite ready to replace Word/Excel/PPT, but it's great if you (or your employer/university) haven't already shelled out for Office.

    FileZilla - FTP client

    Gaim - AOL Instant Messenger client

    PuTTY - ssh client

    There's a bit more elaboration and links on my blog.

  22. Excellent Freeware Site by todsandberg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Excellent Freeware Site
    http://www.snapfiles.com/freeeware/ (used to be webattack.com)
    I used to be addicted to freeware and this was one of my favorite places to get a fix.
    All the software is well categorized.
    I can often find what I'm looking for here.

    http://www.nonags.com is good too.

    Tod

  23. Try this one by mrdogi · · Score: 3, Informative

    ScanRec is one I've found rather useful. It isn't an end-all/be-all recorder, but it does have a rather useful feature. It was created with a VOX control originally to be used for recording ham sessions. So, it would not record constantly, but only when anybody brodcast. It will create a log file detailing what times it did the recordings. Anyway, I've used it for radio/TV stuff in the past, and I've had few problems with it (other than recording in a format that Media Player didn't really like.

  24. MOD PARENT UP! by tommck · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm so sick of uninformed people bashing Microsoft with inaccurate information!

    I mean, really, there are TONS of ways to CORRECTLY bash them! Check your facts!

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  25. Shocked! Appalled! by Rallion · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe MS programmers will start participating with the community and answering questions on the developers newsgroups.

    Hold up...did the parent just imply that Linux users were helpful and would answer questions?!?

    Hah, it's a joke! I'm kidding!

    Sorta!

  26. Its changed, not disappeared by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Informative

    Probably over half of the programs that I run on my Windows machines are GNU or open source programs (Perl, Python, PHP, MySQL, GIMP, grep, awk, sed, and even things like Bash). There are very few major GNU/Linux programs that don't run fine under windows these days either because they were written to be portable in the first place or because CYGWIN does a pretty decent job of emulating the unix libraries.

  27. Another vote for Total Recorder, & why it work by aquarian · · Score: 3, Informative

    I find Total Recorder very useful too. Just paying $12 for it is easier than trying to find free programs to do the same thing. What's your time worth? I searched for weeks to find something that would record streaming radio broadcasts on Windows (Linux can do this all by itself, with a few command line untilities piped together). Anyway, Total Recorder was the only thing I could find, free or not.

    A problem with developing this kind of software is needing proprietary libraries, etc. So virtually all software of this type is non-free. Total Recorder gets around this by recording the output of the sound card. Methinks Java could be used for this and it could be cross-platform, but so far no one's bothered.

  28. I blame VB... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems the problem is much older than that. When VB became popular, everyone who could make a dialog box pop up figured he or she could slap together some (usually) crappy piece of semi-functional-ware, charge $29.99 and become rich. It didn't help that shareware had been successful for a lot of products (mostly because the successful products were _good_). Shareware _is_ a great idea, but there is so much stuff out there which is complete crap, and you'll see 10 wastes of disk space for every app that is actually worth the 30 seconds to download.

    My frustration is not so much finding free tools but finding _any_ tools that don't suck for small simple needs like the one described. I'll gladly pay a small fee for a small utility that does something really well, but the freeware actually tends to be better than the shareware in so many cases, probably because the creator is motivated to make a useful app rather than just become the next WinZip (which I happily paid for years ago, but now I use WinRAR, also paid for). Big commercial apps have their place, but most of the time, what I'm looking for is a simple tool to fill a simple need, not something that tries to be everything to everyone.

    Between sourceforge.net and freshmeat.org and maybe a little learning curve with cygwin, there is plenty of good Windows open source software out there to be had, but it should be a lot better.

    Recently I wanted a good font manager for Windows, something that would let me browse through hundreds of fonts and install or uninstall them quickly and easily. I found the same thing... a bunch of crappy shareware (or at best, decent shareware that lacked features I required), so in frustration I started writing my own using old Ziff-Davis free utility source code as a starting point. I haven't gotten far because of work demands, but if I ever get something good, I will release it Open Source.

    And please, Windows programmers, if you are going to release freeware, give us the source. Many marginal piece of software could be very valuable if the source were available.

    I have nothing against shareware or commercial software, but if you are going to go that route, your app better be worth the download, and from what I've seen, most aren't.
    At the end of the day, any good software is hard to find.

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    1. Re:I blame VB... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, the _worst_ software is often the most expensive: Vertical applications that cost thousands or tens of thousands of dollars per seat. You are paying for very specialized functionality, and are often dedicating an employee or employees to using the software. Companies that do these kinds of packages have little or no incentive to make them usable because they often have little or no competition. If you're the only one who makes this specialized software, your customers are locked in, so you keep them just slightly less than ticked off enough to stop doing business with you.

      Either that your Rational or Real, or in many cases, Microsoft and you simply hate your customers.

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  29. ...and OnlyTheBestFreeware.com by SchnellDavis · · Score: 3, Informative
  30. Misdiagnosis? by cookie_cutter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Sometimes the trouble isn't that the software (or whatever item your searching for) doesn't exist, but that search engines don't favour them, but rather rank up the search-engine tailored commercial sites instead.

    This is why it is often better to go to a site which serves as a portal to links to your subject of interest, rather than a general search engine.