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Gimp Hits 2.0

jf writes "Gimp 2.0 released! From gimp.org: "This release is a major event, marking the end of a three year development cycle by a group of volunteers and enthusiasts who have made this the most professional release of the GIMP ever. It is the first stable release that is officially supported not only on Unix-based operating systems, but also on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh OS X." Get it from ftp.gimp.org or from the mirror sites."

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  1. Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's officially supported - where's the Windows binary then? :-?

    1. Re:Windows? by tempest303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, that was cold, harsh, and probably just another brick in the wall to mainstream Linux adoption, due to elitism. It was also really damn funny. Have a sense of humor, people!

    2. Re:Windows? by eggsome · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look I detest stupid users as much as the next person, but come on! If you want Graphic artists to use this and make it popular you have to make it easy for them. Not because they are dumb, but because they have a different speciality to you.
      (I'd like to see you create a stylish piece of artwork in Quark/Illistrator/Photoshop, it's a real skill - that's why they get paid decent amounts of money).

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    3. Re:Windows? by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You nailed it with "I can tell you that when your customer is an artist, quite often it absolutely is more important how something looks than what it does". While I agree with the sentiment of targeting your audience with an appropriate design, they aren't my "customer" - I am.

      These artists who are moaning about The Gimp are complaining about a free app they won't invest the time to learn. If they were paying me a few hundred dollars then fine, I'll worry about it and bust a nut trying to make it aesthetically pleasing for them. But they're not, so I'll make it functional to get the job done. If it's too ugly, these graphic artists are more than welcome to whip up a screen shot or concept of what they actually want. Maybe then some clueless programming like me can provide something that has both the functionality and mad stylz to keep everyone happy. Unfortunately, most of them seem more interested in prima-donna bitchings about how nasty and un-Photoshop-like The Gimp's UI is. I've heard similar moans when faced with PhotoPaint, PaintShop Pro and Photogenics too.

      I should also point out that some of The Gimp users (and developers) are rather well respected graphic artists in their own right and produce some very nice artwork indeed, some of which lands in open source projects. The UI not withstanding.

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  2. Who's unix-based? by Whosawhatsis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last time I checked, MacOS X was at least as "Unix-Based" (darwin) as Linux, if not more...

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  3. Free of Floating Window by ospirata · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, I will finally get to know how to use it eaither. These floating window schema was the dummiest thing ever. Well, actually now there is Sun LookingGlass... DIA could do the same,

    1. Re:Free of Floating Window by Squareball · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I thought the same thing until I got a mac. Photoshop works exactly like the Gimp does in regards to the floating windows. After working with Photoshop like this, I have come to get used to it and don't mind it at all. But it is a bit of shock when you come from Win32 Photoshop to this crazy set of floating windows.

    2. Re:Free of Floating Window by ibbey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree. I prefer it. I think the "window within a window" style that microsoft often employs is cumbersome. I want to be able to put a window anywhere on the screen that I want to put it. It's much more managable. I guess when using windows it could get confusing if you have multiple apps open, and the gimp windows are scattered around. With Linux though I keep my apps spread out over multiple virtual workspaces so it's not an issue.

      This shouldn't be an issue for anyone. All they really need to do is change the app so that if any GIMP window is brought to the front, then they all are. It's a nusicance to have to manually move three (or more) seperate windows to the front everytime you want to switch apps. The Mac uses a similar windowing style, except for this key difference. On the Mac, toolbox windows are not considered first-class windows. They only get focus when their parent app is active, and then they automatically become active. If GIMP handled things this way, no one would complain. But instead, each window is managed completely indepently, so you must manually activate each window.

      Sure, you can move GIMP to a seperate desktop, but there are numerous reasons that people may not want to do so. For example, new users won't know how. In my case, I don't like switching desktops since it's considerably slower then just switching apps (at least on my system).

    3. Re:Free of Floating Window by ibbey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My problem with GIMP is that I lose the main toolbar window. It gets lost behind various images, layer windows, tool property windows, etc.. When I need to change tools I have to go hunting for the right window.

      That's exactly what I'm talking about. If they would just automatically bring that window to the front when your image window is focused, it would eliminate about 90% of the complaints that I have heard.

  4. Re:Photoshop still rocks it by phoenix.bam! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Photoshop is definitely much better and more mature than the Gimp, but it comes with a $600 pricetag. The Gimp starts to become more of an option when you don't have to use some of the more intensive photoshop filters. (So people actually do pay for photoshop, enough-so that Adobe had some good earnings this quarter).

    no reason to knock the gimp. It has an amazing cost to ability ratio.

  5. Re:What about simple drawing functionality ? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Is it, at last, possible to simply draw lines or arcs ? It is pretty useful, so why do they snub such functionalities?"

    For the same reason it dosn't serve web pages. It is not a drawing tool, it is an Image Manipulation Program. Not that I would mind if they addedd better drawing functionality.

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  6. Re:This sounds like a good time for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a graphic artist and I use gimp and photoshop, along with opencanvas, illustrator and painter. They are all essential parts of my work. Gimp may not be as good as photoshop, but I use it for small effects because I like the look it achieves. It's kind of like using a ballpoint pen instead of a pencil. Sure, graphite pencils or quality brush pens are better, but the look of ballpoint can't be duplicated by anything else.

    Really though, you probably don't really understand why photoshop is better than gimp to begin with. You probably like it because of the crappy filters and effects that come with it, but those are a total joke to anyone slightly professional. Everyone who is serious uses his own custom brushes and textures, and I use photoshop the most because of the power it has over brush controls (especially with my wacom tablet). Gimp still has it's place though, and it's an important one.

    It's not just me, either. There are several other artists in my studio who use gimp all the time, too.

  7. Re:The biggest changes... by Wakkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I have no graphics experience whatsoever."

    That's probably a good thing.. That way you're not stuck thinking, "hmph.. that's not how photoshop does it."

  8. Re:Got CMYK? by MooseByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "You need CMYK? CODE it or PAY someone to do it for you."

    But isn't that what he's doing by paying for a commerical application (Photoshop in this case)?

    "Open source is not about getting stuff for free, but giving and receiving."

    At the risk of being called flamebait, that won't do spit of good toward a true Desktop Linux end-user solution. Those of us developing software can give as well as take. But Joe End-User just wants to get their job done. Take take take. The mantra of the end-user.

    And that's exactly what desktop linux is going to have to address, heck embrace.

  9. Mac OS X IS a Unix-based operating system... by chaoskitty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is the first stable release that is officially supported not only on Unix-based operating systems, but also on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh OS X.

    That's like saying that it's supported not only on Windows, but on Windows 98. Mac OS X IS a Unix based operating system.

  10. Re:Fantastic! by Deusy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    [Photoshop does stuff] like channel/layer based JPEG compression control, which is invaluable for web designers.

    Um, I'm a web designer. How is that invaluable?

    I think you're eating too much of the hamburger that Adobe is feeding you with buzzwords like that.

    Gimp creates jpegs just fine. If you require ultimate fine-grained control over image creation then I'd wager:
    1. You're using too many images in your website. Learn CSS.
    2. You're wasting your time when you could be doing more productive things which would help you create your websites more quickly instead of worrying about 1k or so in a jpeg. It's ok, we have broadband (or 56k modems at the very worst).
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  11. Re:Photoshop still rocks it by myklgrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd like to point out that for the price of Photshop (which is a very good program) you can get Photoshop+Gimp. So why put down the GIMP?

  12. Re:This sounds like a good time for you by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Insightful


    I'll agree with that.

    Every time that there is a post about a gimp upgrade on slashdot, the posts degenerate into photoshop vs. gimp debates.

    Seriously, who cares? Some of us don't run windows, and every version of Photoshop after 8 or so doesn't run worth a crap in Wine; so we use what works best in Linux, which is Gimp. Windows users can use Photoshop. Sure, it's better in a lot of ways - I won't argue that - but you use the best tool you have. Personally I will never have another windows installation on my systems, for many reasons. So.... Gimp for me. It works for what I do (texture creation for 3d models).

    I'd like to see a post on /. where it didn't degenerate into the "this or that is better" arguements but where Gimp users shared their tips and tricks more.

    So much to ask?

    SB

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  13. Great Accomplishment! by firewrought · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Why all the flamewars b/t Adobe fans and Gimp fans? The news here is that the Gimp team has delivered us a significant upgrade that addresses many long-standing problems of the software (especially in terms of usability). Congratulations!! That's awesome!

    If you prefer Adobe to Gimp, that's great too... buy it and use it. Judge the tradeoffs in cost and functionality for yourself and choose the best tool for you.

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  14. Troll by bogie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So basically you have no insight here or have even used Gimp 2.0. You just felt like being a troll?

    I swear Adobe users are some of the biggest Trolls I've met on the Net. Everywhere I go where someone dares to mention an alternative, the Adobe trolls freak out and show up in massive numbers to diss anything non-Adobe. If it wasn't cmyk it would just be some other thing.

    Why can't you Photoshop snobs just accept the fact that Gimp is a decent image editor that differs from Photoshop and leave it at that. Why are you so freaking insulted that non-Adobe products are available? You have stock in Adobe or something?

    Gimp is certainly the best Free image editor available and for home users it will do anything you could possibly want, especially when it comes to digital photography.

    But then again I guess I'm just wasting my breath.

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  15. Re:web designers...siiigh. by whitegold · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As another web designer, I feel I should make a point. First of all, I don't know what mask thingy compression stuff is. Except what the earlier post told me. I don't use Photoshop CS, I still use 7, and it does fine for me. I have to say, though, $2-$3 is NOT all that much money. But bear one thing in mind. That's PER IMAGE. If you have 10 images like that, that's $20 - $30 a day, which is starting to add up.

    Better compression is ALWAYS good. If you run a site that uses a lot of images (Gallery, porn site, whatever) then the cost saving in better compression could be HUGE, and if it doesn't take any longer (or much longer) to do, then it's basically free money.

    Also, on the 1 second thing... yeah, one second is not long, but once again, that's one second PER IMAGE. It all adds up.

    Oh, and just so I get to put forth my opinion. The release of any new software like Gimp is always good. I'm a Photoshop guy and have neither reason nor inclination to change, but Gimp provides particularly programmers, and low end designers a free way to achieve the simple tasks they require. Its not worth a $600 photoshop license to make buttons. Sure, it's not Photoshop, but it doesn't have to be.