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Chainsaw-wielding Robotic Submarine

merryprankster writes "New Scientist is running a story about Sawfish, a chainsaw-wielding robotic submarine used as an underwater lumberjack. There are some 200 million trees thought to be standing on the floor of hydropower reservoirs worldwide. Sawfish attaches airbags to, and cuts around 9 trees an hour - the trees then float to the surface for collection. Cue the jokes about robotic high heels, suspenders and a bra."

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  1. Old growth lumber by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, besides the cool tech issues, and clearing waterways of obstructions, the big deal here is that almost all of the old growth forests are gone. It is nigh impossible to find lumber that has grown slow and does not have knots in it anymore. In fact, Aladdin homes used to advertise back in the 20's and 30's that they would pay you a dollar for every knot you were able to find in the lumber they used to construct your home, but now....

    At any rate, this old growth wood that is at the bottom of lakes and rivers has become quite prized for high end furniture, musical instruments and other applications where modern lumber does not cut it (*Snicker*), so developing robotics like this should have quite the payoff.

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    1. Re:Old growth lumber by Stiletto · · Score: 5, Funny


      Well of course the Bushes support cutting down tall trees. They crowd out all the sunlight...

      [duck]

    2. Re:Old growth lumber by bkhl · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, they are a must-have for any Bond villain.

    3. Re:Old growth lumber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Oddly enough, the article provides the answer to your question:


      Trees left standing in flooded forests die, but they do not rot because the water keeps out oxygen. Worldwide, some 200 million trees are thought to be standing on the floor of hydropower reservoirs.

      "Provided its been in cold, close to anaerobic conditions, wood from submerged trees actually can be in very good condition indeed," says Rorke Bryan, dean of the faculty of forestry at the University of Toronto.

    4. Re:Old growth lumber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry about the AC, but I'd rather not wait to get to my own system:

      You obviously don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

      Old growth forrests around here are HUNDREDS of years old. Kind of hard to get that way due to 100 years of firefighting.

      Also, this wood is in great shape if it is under enough water. You go deep enough, and it's pretty lifeless. I have a picture frame I made out of summerged old growth. It's some of the nicese stuff around.

    5. Re:Old growth lumber by Rudolfo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Old growth lumber is a decadent, unnatural forest, that is caused by man supressing forest fires for the last 100 years, which is nature's only way of renewing a forest, believe-it-or-not. Cones won't open, releasing seeds, unless under extreme heat.

      Uh ... most old growth forests by definition are over a hundred and fifty years old, existing way before fire suppression. With your logic you can't explain the existence of all those 400 year old trees unless you have Native American firefighters.

      Some trees do require fire for their cones to release their seeds, but there are many that don't. In fact, most trees in the Pacific Northwest don't (at least on the west side of the Cascades) - forest fires are extremely uncommon due to the wet climate.

      Seattle was covered with old growth forest when the settlers arrived in the 1850s. That certainly was the natural state of the forests. There are only a few old growth trees left within the city.

    6. Re:Old growth lumber by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Informative


      Right, because after all, the U.S. Agriculture Department says America has 749 million acres of forestland. In 1920, we had 735 million acres of forest.

      Only 7% of current U.S. forestland has been planted by man, so I suppose that only leaves 687 million acres of old growth forest. Yep, sure sounds like it's almost all gone.

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    7. Re:Old growth lumber by craXORjack · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wood can stay preserved for thousands of years underwater. Take a look at this page which talks about the anaerobic deep water wrecks found in the black sea which was a large freshwater lake until a few thousand years ago. The flooding of that region is suspected to be the genesis of the biblical flood story (and of the Gilgamesh legend before it was co-opted by the Israelites) In particular look at the "mesolithic settlement" link where the same man that found the Titanic discovered a 7000 year old house which predates the epic flood and is very well preserved.

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  2. a defense at last! by everyplace · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, we have a way of defending ourselves against those damn robotic sharks.

    1. Re:a defense at last! by dgmartin98 · · Score: 5, Funny

      More importantly, we have a defense against sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads.

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  3. Oh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I sleep all night and float logs to the surface using balloons and a robot chainsaw submarine all day.

    No, no... too silly! Stop the post!

  4. Great Wood from these Trees by moehoward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The trees that have been in cold water the longest make some of the best wood in the world. Apparently, these was/is an effort to get some sunken wood from the bottom of Lake Superior that went down with logging ships long ago.

    Great idea. Hope it's not one of the ugly big corporations that Michael hates so much that is doing it. And for god's sake, let's hope nobody actually makes an EVIL profit off of it. Right, Michael?

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  5. Environmental Consideration by phonex98 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure this situation sounds like a win - win situation, but considering that most of the hydropower reservoirs are a minumum of several years old, many underwater animals have built their habitats among those submerged trees, and what will they do if we chop them down ? .. we've already made this mistake on the surface... should we do in the ocean as well ?

    1. Re:Environmental Consideration by DeltaSigma · · Score: 5, Funny

      We keep reservoirs in the ocean?

  6. Underwater Trees? by Caharin · · Score: 5, Funny

    It cuts down the trees growing underwater? Whenever I try to grow trees underwater, they don't grow very well. I must be doing something wrong...

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  7. Old Growth Lumber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Up here in Vermont, some guys made news a couple of summers ago by building a homemade submarine out of welded-together propane tanks(!) with trolling motors for propulsion. They were actually making some good money by going into some of the deep ponds here, attaching cables to long-ago fallen trees and hoisting them to the surface. Since the deep water is so low in oxygen, the trees are well preserved, and after propper drying yield some excellent lumber.

  8. pictures by bawb · · Score: 5, Informative


    Found some pics here.

  9. Re:How good is the wood like that? by tx_kanuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    actually the wood is very well preserved. I used to live with a carpenter, and he used to use that kind of wood. The cost per board foot is can be 3-4x what it normally would be in a lumber yard if your lucky.

    I wish I could explain the biology to you, but I can't. Something about the fact the water doesn't move much at the bottom the lake (as opposed to a river), it's fresh water (as opposed to salt), and the type of wood (cedar works well and oak preserve really well), and you have old growth lumber that is amazingly well preserved.

    Oh, and if you used it on a deck, you deserve to be beaten by said deck for wasting such good wood. :)

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  10. CORRECT photo here... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Informative

    Triton Logging Company Engineering Page has a photo of what is presumably the Sawfish submarine.

    (darn, I forgot to close a quote. /. needs a cancel feature)

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  11. Call the FAO Schwartz people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scale it down and this could be the next killer bath toy for kids.

  12. Re:How good is the wood like that? by bobthemuse · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're gonna build a deck today, check out some of the composite materials that are available. I saw someone building once, was surprised that they could cut it with a saw, pound nails through it, etc, but that it was mostly plastic. I found one online, but I'm sure there are many others.

    With the rapid depletion of old wood, it should be reserved for high-end furniture, instruments, etc. This is a fantastic alternative for outside use!

  13. Coming this Spring... by popo · · Score: 5, Funny
    Imagine a dark future...

    Imagine a time of chaos...

    ...A world where the last trees lie at the bottom of vast manmade floodlands.

    OMFG we're in a bad sci-fi movie!

    (shit, we don't even need the robotic chainsaw sharks to make it scary... its scary enough already).

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  14. It's not a matter of tree count by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Your definition of "old growth" is faulty. It's not forest that has been deliberately planted, it's forest that has had a very long time time to mature. It's valuable both economically (wood that old is high quality) and ecologically (lots of genetic diversity in them old woods).

    Ever been in the Santa Cruz area, south of San Francisco? All the redwood forests look very pretty. They give the impression of hosting tons of wildlife, and being very ancient. Both impressions are completely false. The Santa Cruz forests were actually completely cut down in order to rebuild San Francisco after the 1906 quake. (Redwood is the best structural wood there is, being extremely resistant to termite damage.) But after nearly a century natural, there are as many trees as there ever were. So the damage is undone right?

    Wrong. When they cut down the forest, they eliminated a habitat, and a lot of biodiversity simply went away. It'll come back too, eventually -- but not in another 100 years, and probably not in a thousand.

    There's more to forest management than just keeping the tree count up.