Slashdot Mirror


Congress To Force Cable a la Carte Plans

unassimilatible writes "Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John McCain seems to be leaning towards sponsoring legislation mandating something I have wanted for a long time: Forcing cable companies to offer "a la carte" programming packages. No U.S. cable or satellite currently offers such a plan. However, as the Washington Post reports, "That may change, if some lawmakers and consumer groups get their way, as the cable industry finds itself under increasing scrutiny. Lawmakers report that their constituents are angry about cable bills that have risen at three times the rate of inflation since the industry was largely deregulated in 1996." McCain money quote: "I go down to buy a loaf of bread. I don't have to buy broccoli and milk to go with it." Bottom line is, cable companies have a government-authorized monopoly, so maybe they need to recieve government-mandated "innovation." Why should I pay for 15 non-English channels?"

101 of 864 comments (clear)

  1. evil cable companies by swschrad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    unbundle everything except the local channels now! McCain is right.

    --
    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
    1. Re:evil cable companies by walt-sjc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's what I see happening.

      Cable rates will go up even more.

      Cable companies will charge even more for the individual channels in order to recoup the costs of administering the additional choices. Popular channels will go sky high such as CNN, ESPN, HGTV, etc. The channels nobody want's (QVC, HSC) will be free anyway. I wouldn't doubt if channels like QVC actually pay cable companies to carry them. Without those "support" dollars, they will pass on the full true cost (and then some) of those good channels.

      If you look at the technical issues, the only way to really do this is with digital TV. Considering the $5 or so / TV cost of the stupid box (plus even more for a remote in many places) that raises prices for households with a bunch of TV's. With old-analog, you could tivo multiple different channels at the same time while watching a third or fourth all on different channels. With digital, I'd need a box for each tivo plus one for each TV. It's easy to pay an additional $25 / month for stupid boxes.

      Thanks but no thanks.

    2. Re:evil cable companies by ralf1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In some cases the shopping channels have purchased a failing small channel in your local market and then sued the cable company to carry its programming for free under the "must-carry" provisions of the last round of cable legislation. I know they've done that here in Houston.

      --
      "Would you, could you, with a goat?" Dr Seuss
    3. Re:evil cable companies by ZoneGray · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mostly what will happen is that the small channels will go out of business, or be bought out by the bigger ones. There's a chikcen & egg problem with niche channels, because they need to sell advertising. The dual-revenue model (subscription fees + ads) only works for established stations like ESPN, or those who can piggyback on bundled packages to get distribution.

      The likely scenario if a la carte were mandatory would be for major channels to acquire smaller ones, then shift some key programming over to the smaller channel in hopes of building the subscriber base. If that didn't work, they'd just shut it down and cherry-pick the programming.

      A la carte sounds nice, until you realize that the menu will change once it goes into effect. If I could pick and choose amomg existing channels, it might be one thing. But that won't be the choice once reality hits home.

      And for that matter, this sort of price regulation inevitably makes it illegal to offer certain discounts... they couldn't do a "buy ESPN & CNN, and get another channel for free" for example, without reducing the base price of the individual channels. Most likely, they'd have to break out a base "service cost", so out of your $40 cable bill, they'll say that $30 of it is technology overhead and $10 is programming. Or $10/$30, depending on which is more profitable. Don't worry, the FCC will play right along with whatever they request.

      And expect the news and political channels to get an exemption.

      Meanwhile, this is about the third time in a row that Congress has promised to lower our cable bill in an election year. How many times are we gonna fall for it?

    4. Re:evil cable companies by mig0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you're right.

      I also think that some channels that are less popular will simply get removed, regardless of the wishes of the fans of _those_ networks feel, which can be unfortunate if you happen to be a fan of that network. I may not care about HGTV but what if it were more popular than Boomerang? Which channel is going to get dropped first to make way for another channel?

    5. Re:evil cable companies by krgallagher · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Cable rates will go up even more.

      That is always a given.

      Popular channels will go sky high such as CNN, ESPN, HGTV, etc. The channels nobody want's (QVC, HSC) will be free anyway.

      I think you have this wrong. Since the costs of producing and distributing programming are largely fixed, the huge sponsorship of popular channels will allow those costs to be spread over a larger group. Even at a lower per unit cost total profits will be high. Less popular channels will have a harder time reaching wide enough distribution to be proffitable. Therefore they will require a higher per unit cost.

      --

      Insert Generic Sig Here:

    6. Re:evil cable companies by Inebrius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole cable box thing is how they get their rates to go up.

      I remember back when the cable companies could charge based on how many TVs you had hooked up in the house.

      But then that got dropped (lawsuits?). So now, you pay the same rate for service to the house, and you can run it to any number of TV sets that the signal will support.

      With cable boxes, they bring back a way to charge you per TV again. That is by choice. With digital TV and standards, the basic channels don't need to be scrambled and you wouldn't need separate boxes for each TV. The only ones that would need a box are the ones that get premium channels. But even technology could take care of this.

      There are ways to deliver ala carte, that would not require a separate box per TV with a per box fee, but that is not what the cable/sat providers would want.

  2. Non English? by ellem · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why should I pay for 15 non-English channels?

    Dude Xuxa, ilLvatello, those chicks are all so hot and slutty.

    --
    This .sig is fake but accurate.
  3. He who pays the Piper calls the tune by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I am completely against government regulation of things like cable, the Cable Companies have made their own bed on this one. They scammed themselves a legal monopoly, now they have to dance to the government's tune. Of course, they'll just pass the 'costs' of this on to the consumer. But they can't claim some kind of moral high ground against 'government interference', when they've been sucking off the government tit for the last 20 years.

    --
    I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
    1. Re:He who pays the Piper calls the tune by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, but what exactly will those costs be? At least some consumers, who will get only two or three channels, will pay less. Those who really do watch all 395 channels will pay more. Funny that more government regulation should play out like free-market capitalism.

      The losers may not be the consumers, but the low-end stations that are being subsidized right now. If the cable company drops 78 of those 395 channels because nobody's watching, there aren't any costs to pass on to the consumer (but I'm sure they won't be dropping prices, either). It sure sucks if you work for one of those 78 channels, and they pay the costs, but we can save money by exporting those jobs to India...wait, wrong discussion.

      The consumer will also lose out on those 78 channels of original programming, but such is life in a free-market economy: if not enough people want it, you can't get it.

    2. Re:He who pays the Piper calls the tune by jmacleod9975 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish we could take it a step further and only pay for the shows we watch not the channels. I mean I would pay $2 for the chance to see the Simpson's episode this week. If 10 million other people feel the same way then the simspons gross 20 million. Minus the cost per episode which I think they said is around 1 million, minus delivery costs, maybe a few million per episode and they still make a tidy profit.

      Then all those shows people want to see they can. Just get a few hundred thousand people willing to fork over like $10 an episode and there you go.

      Best of all, no commercials needed.

    3. Re:He who pays the Piper calls the tune by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually what's more likely is that a preset 100 channel package would cost $50, a preset 200 channel package would be $75 and taking 3 a la carte channels would be $7 per channel plus a $25 admin fee for making you a nonstandard package. Corporations are evil - they will simply charge extortionate fees to discourage uptake of things they don't like.

    4. Re:He who pays the Piper calls the tune by metamatic · · Score: 3, Funny

      But even at those prices, I'd still save money.

      --
      GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
    5. Re:He who pays the Piper calls the tune by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Patent this idea immediately! Call it something catchy, like "Pay-Per-View".

      --
      do not read this line twice.
  4. My thumb thanks you by thebra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been wanting this for so long. I hate paying for things I don't need.

    "Besides adding to the cost, cable companies say, selling channels individually might make it difficult for lesser-watched, niche channels to survive."

    This is bad how?

    1. Re:My thumb thanks you by EricWright · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I hate to break it to you, but what's stopping TW/Charter/Cox/etc. from charging you $3/channel (or pick your favorite insane amount) on the a la carte plan? They will still be (essentially) a monopoly.

      And what about the niche channel you like (TechTV maybe?) that the general populace couldn't care less about? Will you be happy when they go under because only a select few people want to pay for it?

      I'd love to see a la carte television myself, but only if it's a reasonable price and the selection doesn't decrease. In reality, I just don't see that happening.

    2. Re:My thumb thanks you by Trespass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is bad how?

      This is bad because it further encourages the homogenization of the entertainment industry.

    3. Re:My thumb thanks you by jcoleman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been wanting this for so long. I hate paying for things I don't need.

      Why do you have cable TV in the first place, then?

    4. Re:My thumb thanks you by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I hate to break it to you, but what's stopping TW/Charter/Cox/etc. from charging you $3/channel (or pick your favorite insane amount) on the a la carte plan?

      Market forces? TV is a luxury, and they have competitors via satellite TV and the internet.

      And what about the niche channel you like (TechTV maybe?) that the general populace couldn't care less about? Will you be happy when they go under because only a select few people want to pay for it?

      If there is no market for it, why is it on the air? Why should people who don't like it subsidize it? I may lose a channel or two that I care to watch, but that is capitalism baby!

      --
      Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
    5. Re:My thumb thanks you by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A channel with poor ratings will be pulled off the air regardless. However ratings might lie, a channel to which no one subscribes will be pulled off the air. Want to keep that channel alive? Subscribe to it, whether you watch it or not. If enough others do the same, it will live. If not, there was not sufficient public interest, let's try that channel's theme again in five years and see if it flies.

      If I paid $3/channel I actually watched my cable bill would be about 1/4 the amount it used to be for basic digital. Sounds great to me.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:My thumb thanks you by jcsehak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can the cable companies really disambiguate...

      You just reminded me which buzzword I find most annoying ;)

      --

      c-hack.com |
  5. Quality by glpierce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...angry about cable bills that have risen at three times the rate of inflation..."

    Don't forget that quality has also dropped noticeably. We're paying more for more channels, not more good programs.

    --
    G
    1. Re:Quality by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't forget that quality has also dropped noticeably.

      Prove it. I call bullshit. The 'poor quality' argument is a favorite of the "HEY EVERYONE, I DON'T OWN A TV, LET ME TELL YOU WHY" crowd.

      I enjoy: The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Sex and the City, The Simpsons, The Daily Show, The West Wing, Arrested Development, Survivor (the only reality show I watch or have any interest in), Law & Order: Criminal Intent, Dennis Miller's new show on CNBC, ESPN SportsCenter, HDTV live sports, and now HBO has rolled out their next good show, Deadwood.

      There is PLENTY of quality programming on TV.

      Just because there is also plenty of unadulterated SHIT out there doesn't mean the quality of all programming is down. You say the quality has "dropped noticeably." Prove it. I don't see it. I also don't read my horoscope or believe causation when there is only correlation.

      --
      Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
  6. Yay! Now everything will be more expensive! by MadWicKdWire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So when did a-la-carte mean cheaper? Go to a mexican restaurant and order a 3 enchilada meal, and order 1 crispy taco on side. Unless you are going to Taco Bell... that damn crispy taco is going to cost you just about as much as 1.5 enchilada!

    The cable company is going lobby against this big time. If someone just wants TechTV only at their office, it's going to cost them big time. The cable company would at least like to make some profit off of everyone of their subscribers.

    Thats my $0.02... oh yeah forget... since I'm only making one comment today, I'm charging more... that'll be $3.50.

    --
    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)... oops
    1. Re:Yay! Now everything will be more expensive! by morelife · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So when did a-la-carte mean cheaper?

      True, but ultimately it won't work this way.

      With a-la-carte services they'll start out, pricing each particular program higher, like you say.

      But people will buy less. People will only buy 10 or 15 channels when formerly their package had 160 channels. And at the high individual program price, consumers will be even more discerning, cutting out ones they really don't want. To get the per/household revenue back to what it was, the cables companies will ultimately have to lower the individual prices to stay competitive.

      Right now it costs the same for pay per view to watch the same movies we can get at Blockbuster. But if they raised the price a doller per rental, I'd go right back to Blockbuster.

      .02

    2. Re:Yay! Now everything will be more expensive! by Dracolytch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, things are cheaper in volume. I honestly don't care about volume though. With my current company, my food choices are:
      No food
      One Taco
      15 Enchiladas
      Free reign of the kitchen

      There's a big space between one taco and 15 enchiladas.

      Right now I get about 60 channels, and I watch ~maybe~ 5 of them. I would happily drop the rest.

      If I drop 92% of my cable service, and the price doesn't go down, then something's fucked up.

      ~D

      --
      This sig has been enciphered with a one-time pad. It could say almost anything.
    3. Re:Yay! Now everything will be more expensive! by eXtro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's only true if they stop offering bundles. It would save a lot of money for people like me though. I get basic cable because it's the only way I can get a cable modem. Beyond the basic cable it'd be nice if I could get the Sci-Fi channel and the National Geographic channel as long as I have to have it. If I want to get those now I have to shell out another 30 bucks per month because I get 50 or so other channels that I'll never watch. So if for 21 or 27 bucks per month instead of 15 I could get 2 extra channels it'd be a big win for me.

      I don't know how this would work though. My cable company offers probably around 100 channels but they're arranged in tiers. Up to 14 or something is basic, up to 70 is expanded basic and above that there are the various movie channels.

      So with a handful of analog filters they can cut out what isn't purchased on a per customer basis.

      If ala carte is forced then they'll have to have bandpass filters that are only 1 channel wide and a mixer so that a few of these filters can be run in parallel and then combined for delivery to the customer.It'd be easier for digital cable though.

      Your example is busted. If I go into a Mexican restaurant I can order a special which has 3 items. It's a bit cheaper than ordering each item individually but it's not one third the price. If I know I'm not going to eat three enchilada's I can order 1. Yes, it will be a bit more expensive per enchilada than if I order the special. It'll be less expensive per enchilada I actually eat though.

  7. Channels of choice... by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, less-watched channels that serve distinct but smaller audiences, such as TechTV and BET, may not survive, because not enough viewers would pay for them.

    Which is fine. TechTV and BET are both complete garbage. What better way to improve the quality of programming than to mandate it through public dollar votes?

    (Just give me Sci-Fi, Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, and the Playbo--er, Discovery, and I'll be good to go. Heck, maybe NBC as well, if for no other reason than this year's feisty presidential election.)

  8. It's about time by G27+Radio · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's ridiculous for me to have to spend over $50/month for cable just to watch Comedy Central. I'd much rather pay just $5 a month for Comedy Central instead of the $30 extra or whatever I have to pay to get the "package" that includes it. Comcast sucks.

  9. Do this for DirecTV by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to see it set up so I can pick and choose each and every channel, preferably via an onscreen check list at the set top box. And if there's something I want to see on a channel I don't normally have, I can order it just for that program right at the box.

    --
    --- Ban humanity.
  10. English channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Why should I pay for 15 non-English channels?
    Even without seeing them, I can confidently say they're likely to be more entertaining than the english ones. Nope, no greek Survivor, chinese Friends, or japanese that want to be millionaires.
  11. Cable companies now have no excuse by strictnein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A big problem for cable companies is that they now have no real excuse to not have plans like this. Before digital cable they could at least claim some technological difficulties in setting up such a system. Now I would guess that it would involve minor changes to their infrastructure and users should easily be able to add or remove channels directly through their cable box.

  12. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by mgs1000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But cable companies don't work in free markets, they are given a monopoly over their customers.

  13. I couldn't have said this better myself... by jbuilder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why should I pay for 15 non-English channels?


    Don't get me wrong - I have NO problem with access to any of those channels, but what *I* have wanted for *years* is for cable (and satellite) companies to provide me with the content *I* want at a reasonable price. Not charge me for a 120 channels because that's the only way I can see the 20 that I actually *want*.

    I wouldn't mind so much IF cable wasn't so expensive. I looked from switching back from Dish Network to my local cable co.. The price I pay for *everything* that's available on my line-up is US$89/mo. via Dish Network. I wanted to get the local channels in HDTV. But to do that I'd have to switch back to cable. To switch back to cable, and keep my current channel lineup would have been US$170/mo!!! And that's not including the HDTV support...! To add insult - my local cable co (Comcast) doesn't *have* as many channels as Dish Network does.

    The Dish Network ads are right - cable cos. *are* pigs...

    --
    Polymorphism -- It's what you make of it.
  14. Re:And here Slashdot shows its leftist bent by Omega1045 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why should the government force this? Let the market decide.

    Uh, huh huh. It is a government-sanctioned monopoly. There is no free market, so the market is probably not going to be able to decide. I totally agree with the article - lets force them to innovate, or make them give up their monopoly!

    --

    Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein

  15. Re:This will do nothing by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not saying I support the government meddling in the affairs of businesses (for they are not subtle and quick to raise prices), HOWEVER...

    They would have to raise their prices quite a bit for most people's bills to go up and not down. Considering I watch about 10 channels of the hundreds I receive.

    --
    Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
  16. Access Control with Analog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This could be a bad thing. Analog cable is an open standard that lots of hardware can use. We might lose effective access to the signal if it is not used.

    It is very hard for the cable company to do access control on Analog channels --- basically some person has to drive to your house and install a filter on the line. There are only so many filters that you can stack up there. Denying access to analog channels is so expensive, that often times they just forget to do it if you are downgrading from extended basic to basic service and the like.

    Meanwhile, digital channels can be individually decoded and decryped. Sounds great, but the problem is that it is proprietary. No TV tuner cards support it and neither does TiVo and the like.

    Be careful what you ask for....

  17. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by maroberts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The point is, it's not a free market economy. One cable provider ahs a monopoly in your area, so its his cable service, or nothing. A free market economy would have multiple cable providers in an area.

    But then the concrete on your roads would nver set for cable companies laying down cable. And the investment is too high for too many competitors. So the market has to be as free as possible. And freedom to choose what to buy is the best answer in the circumstances.

    --

    Donte Alistair Anderson Roberts - hi son!
    Karma: Chameleon

  18. Something missing... by Ranger96 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I assume McCain's legislation will also include provisions rendering the contract provisions from content providers that require bundling of their offerings null and void. Otherwise, the point is somewhat moot. It's not just the cable/satellite service providers that are the problem.

    --
    What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.-Ecclesiastes 1:9
  19. Not a good thing.. by BWS · · Score: 4, Insightful
    as I quote someone I read on Fark, as it applies to slashdot as well:
    Members of Fark are a fairly intellectual minority (for the most part). Before you begin going off on your "this is what's best for a free market" spiel, check out the likely results. People here seem to think that the stations they want would be around in a year, because they picked them. Most of them won't. Stations like MTV, VH1, ESPN, SpikeTV, and other mainstream channels have by far the highest viewing (other then the local monsters of CBS, NBC, ect.) The channels I hear people on Fark want: Discovery, some of the News channels, History channel, are channels that, due to their viewership, will not get many subscribers under a "a la carte" system. They die. Pop culture and sports will survive. I'm a sports fan, but I'd like more to TV then sports and sitcoms. I'd rather pop culture not own the airwaves at all times, forcing more useful channels out in a shark tank frenzy of a ratings war, which is exactly what would happen.
    --
    -- Note: These Comments are Generated by ME! Not You! ME!
  20. Invisible Hand Bitch-Slaps Cable Companies by handy_vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If companies sell shit you don't want -- don't buy it.

    Yes, this means you have to give up the something you want, because it's bundled with a bunch of shit you don't want. Hang in there -- if enough consumers stop consuming the shit, companies will desperately try to save themselves from bankruptcy by selling you what you really wanted in the first place.

    -kgj

    --
    -kgj
  21. Re:I'm in. by stateofmind · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't drop PAX! They play the censored version of Sopranos!

    Tony, how in the *beep* did you think I *beep* *beep* *beep* the car *beep* *beep* and take his *beep* head *beep* over to Frankies *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* the end.

    Josh

  22. Re:And here Slashdot shows its leftist bent by Tree131 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    RTFP

    Bottom line is, cable companies have a government-authorized monopoly

    monopoly = monopoly is a situation where for technical or social reasons there cannot be more than one efficient provider of a good

    Unlike Microsoft, there is no alternative to the 2 or 3 services, one of them being the Cable Monopoly, because they ALL bundle their channels.
    I have to buy 100 extra channels just to watch TechTV and Cartoon Network, and then spend an hour Removing all the shopping and religious channels, as well as Fox News and A&E.

  23. Re:And here Slashdot shows its leftist bent by JohnnyCannuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah! Let the market decide! If you don't like the price don't by it and force the price down, just like gasoline and electricity and natural gas....

    Oh wait....

    Dude, sometimes the market can't or won't decide. Then the government, who are supposed to have the interest of the electorate not the cable company executives and shareholders, will decide.

    Sometimes governement interference is bad, sometimes its not.

    --
    Never by hatred has hatred been appeased, only by kindness - the Buddha
  24. We need more competition by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there was only one supermarket, then they probably would demand you buy everything in chunks of standard sizes. The thing is, we have competition, so since the customers don't want it, they could go somewhere else that does offer what they want.

    Cable companies don't have such competition. There's typically a choice between the local cable provider and a couple of satellite providers. They can get away with this sort of thing by a sort of unspoken agreement. If one of them offered a la carte, so would the others. .

    Essentially this is the prisoner's dilemma. They both know that they will both get the best results by cooperating

  25. Technical Nightmare by jratcliffe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While we'd all like a la carte pricing of cable, it's a nightmare from a technical point of view. The only possible way to do it would be to require everyone to have a digital box - trying to do this in analog simply wouldn't be feasible (i.e. try filtering 100-106Mhz out, allowing 106-112Mhz, filtering out 112-124Mhz, allowing 124-130Mhz, etc. - each cable tap would have dozens of filters, and each would push the limits of what passive filters can actually do).

    Therefore, we're talking requiring a digital box for each customer, and every single TV set - that alone will tack $5+ per TV onto everyone's monthly cable bill (digital boxes are ~$150-200 and up.

    You'd probably also end up with a lot of marginal channels going off the air (outside of Slashdot, how many folks will actually _pay_ for TechTV on an a la carte basis?).

    1. Re:Technical Nightmare by nightsweat · · Score: 3, Informative

      My cable company has already started forcing us to move to digital if we want to keep the service we had a month or two ago. HBO Signature, Bravo, Sundance, BET Jazz, and a few channels I don't watch have been moved to a digital tier. This is not a real barrier. You're getting moved to digital sooner or later anyway.

      --

      the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
    2. Re:Technical Nightmare by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Somehow a lot of C-band satellite providers do it, and they offer both package and a la carte pricing. You can buy a minumum (or no) package and add channels, or just buy a package. Their packages are also about 25% cheaper than dish or cable providers too, individual channels cost $1 to $1.50 except for the premiums (HBO, Star, etc), $3 a channel.

  26. Free market economics by pubjames · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lawmakers report that their constituents are angry about cable bills that have risen at three times the rate of inflation since the industry was largely deregulated in 1996.

    I thought the theory was that unregulated markets drove down prices and were good for consumers...

    1. Re:Free market economics by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      The market wasn't deregulated at all, the monopoly was. Don't confuse a monopoly industry with a market. There isn't currently a market for cable tv in most parts of the U.S., although having a minor market for tv in general (adding a couple satellite providers) has helped.

      --
      The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
  27. Re:Why a big government solution? by Bodhidharma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the cable/satellite providers. It's the channels themselves. If I'm running Jim's Cable TV and I want to offer my customers TNT, for example, Turner might make me buy TBS, The Cartoon Network and the CNN channels as one package. That means I have to charge my customer for all those. So I might as well give him the channels he is paying for.

    I know this because I worked for a satellite TV provider. It was like pulling teeth to be able to offer ESPN to our customers. Finally one of our managers had to call Eisner personally to straighten things out. As much as I'd like to make the cable companies out to be the bad guys, it's really the networks.

    Jim

    --
    A dyslexic man walks into a bra.
  28. Re:And here Slashdot shows its leftist bent by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 5, Informative
    RTFP(ost)

    You don't have the choice to buy channels a la carte because nobody, not even satellite offers it. This is a symptom of a breakdown of the market called an oligopoly, a cousin of the better known monopoly. Both the monopoly and the oligopoly are vulnerable to having the benefits of their position taken forcably by a govenment because they are not benefiting consumers as best as they could. Since only people (consumers) vote, they have all the power, so they can ( justly IMHO ) steal from mono/oligopolies of the world that would parasitise us all if left unchecked.

    --

    Eat at Joe's.

  29. Re:Of course there is a "market" for this by Omega1045 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Think of it in more generic terms instead of television. What about the fact that Cox (which they are, BTW) in my area is the only high-speed Internet provider. I HAVE to buy cable TV from them to get the bandwidth I need. Why? I really want this a la carte!

    but you TV-addicts are the ones fueling the market

    I am really sorry I enjoy watching movies, TLC, TechTV, etc. I wish I could be cool and liberated like you, Anonymous Coward. Sorry if I get a flamebait outa that. I just couldn't get through Sunday without my Simpsons/Sopranos fix.

    --

    Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein

  30. Re:Why a big government solution? by fm6 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Actually, the government does allow competing cable companies. The 1984 deregulation law that allowed this is also the main reason rates are so high. It eliminated the local monopoly, but also eliminated local authorities' power to set rates. The idea was that new cable companies would move in, and the market would set the rates. Problem is, nobody wanted to spend a lot of money to build redundant cable systems in the vague hope of wooing away existing cable customers. So the cable companies get to have it both ways: they're a competitive business for regulary purposes, but in the actual marketplace, they're monopolies.

    Well, there's satellite. Which doesn't seem to be competition enough.

  31. Re:Unbelievable by Cheeze · · Score: 3, Insightful

    umm...the congress is in place for the good of the american people, but you say this, "Have we no bigger problems in the world..." What do the problems in the world have to do directly with america? Sure, we love to stick our nose in the doggy poo-poo, but we also have our own problems.

    cable companies have a monopoly just like the phone companies used to. What happens when the cable companies start tacking on service fees for maintenance of their own network? They get regulated just like the phone companies did. If I buy cable, why do I also have to pay for 100 channels that I didn't want?

    --
    Why read the article when I can just make up a snap judgement?
  32. Re:This will do nothing by Enry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not always the cable companies that force bundling. Take a look at Disney. They force cable companies to buy their channels in blocks so that while a cable company may only want ESPN and the Disney Channel, they also have to pick up Toon Disney and other channels as well. This additional cost gets pushed onto the consumers.

    Didn't Viacom and EchoStar have a fight over this issue just a few weeks ago?

  33. Canadians are used to this by Ridgelift · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I go down to buy a loaf of bread. I don't have to buy broccoli and milk to go with it." Bottom line is, cable companies have a government-authorized monopoly, so maybe they need to recieve government-mandated "innovation." Why should I pay for 15 non-English channels?"

    As a Canadian, we're used to this sort of socialism (NB: Socialism != Fascism != Communism). Many french and other non-english channels cannot survive in the market without being subsidized. Take our music industry for example. If you want to run a radio station here, you must play a certain percentage of Canadian artists so that US artists do not swamp out our industryt altogether.

    All in all, I think forcing people to pay for a small percentage is a good thing, but then again what do I know? I'm just a brain-washed Canadian.

    1. Re:Canadians are used to this by His+name+cannot+be+s · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, in our socialist state of Canuckistan, we are indeed forced to accept the Canadian programming along with the Foreign content.

      However, I'd still take a-la-carte programming within those restrictions.

      Canadian content must be 1/3 of the total availible programming. Ok, I want 14 foreign channels, I'll take 7 Canadian ones. (7/21) That to me seems fair.

      Instead, I'm forced to take shit by the tier, and in order to get two fucking channels I want I need to take somewhere near 60. And none of which I care about.

      APTN? The Aboriginal Peoples Television Network? I'm sorry that there is not enough people to support such a station, but If I don't wanna watch it, why should I have to pay for it.

      No fucking wonder there are a million households in Canada pirating US satellite service.

      Feh;

      --
      "...In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true..."
  34. Re:And here Slashdot shows its leftist bent by AceM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is hardly leftist. Pissing off companies that hold a monopoly goes all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt, arguably the most liked republican behind President Lincoln and President Reagan. McCain is more of a centrist, but he's obviously republican...

    Now, if the story had said that McCain wanted this and a pony... You might have something to your theory of the leftist bent... But of course, no silly obvious bias would be allowed to be put in story here... No.. Of course not!

  35. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by keep_it_simple_stupi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, they are not. In southeast michigan, most homes can choose between Comcast and Wide Open West. I realize this is rare, but it's great. We can pit them against each other on our bills. Instead of $35 for basic cable, you can haggle them down to $20. Another cool thing is that Wide Open West has speed tiers for their cable modems - $50 / month gets you a slow cablem modem and full basic cable. Not bad really.

    However, it would be nice to get HD service from either of them with a cable modem at a decent speed for under $100 / month. Ugh - slave to electronics.

  36. Not a FEDERAL monopoly by michael_cain · · Score: 5, Informative
    Two points about the monopoly question:
    • In many places there isn't a monopoly, government-granted or otherwise, on pay-TV service. Some franchising authorities have granted permission for overbuilders to construct a second, competing cable system. In most areas there's a choice between cable and satellite. There are two satellite providers, since the FCC had the good sense to disallow the merger of Echostar and DirecTV.

    • Where there is a monopoly cable provider (ignoring satellite), the monopoly was not granted by the Federal government but by the local franchising authority. If a la carte pricing is going to be a requirement, shouldn't it be a requirement imposed by the authority granting the monopoly franchise?

    Finally, if Congress is going to require that the cable operators unbundle channels, then they better be sure that they require the media companies to unbundle as well. That is, if Comcast is required to sell ESPN without a dozen other Disney-owned channels, then Disney should also be required to make ESPN available to Comcast at a lower price than the bundle of ESPN plus other channels that they require Comcast to buy today. It would be interesting to see, should the cable and satellite providers sell those channels on a cost-plus-markup basis, how loud the end-users scream at ESPN's 20% annual price hikes :^)

  37. Costs? Check your phone bill by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The ILECs have stuck all kinds of charges and fees on our phone bills to cover the 'costs' of government compliance.
    Low-end stations that are being subsidized right now already ARE losers. Economic darwinism is circling over them, ready to strike the minute that the government wind blows the other way. Their mandate for existence is tenuous at best.

    Non mainstream programming will have to revert to unrestricted media, like radio or over-the-air TV, or the Internet. In the Warsaw ghetto it was underground newspapers. It will always survive. The problem is that you can't both claim a right to protection, and then demand a blank check on what you produce.

    --
    I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
  38. Not only that... by Chordonblue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How exactly is this going to solve the problem of companies like Viacom charging for their own package deals? You all realize of course that this is how it works for cablecos as well?

    I'm all for choice, but this will in no way affect the PROVIDERS of the entertainment. The American public has already shown a willingness to basically pay whatever they have to for their entertainment (look at ticket prices to any event nowadays for proof!) The program providers know this and so no matter what the cablecos do to split up channel selections, THEY will still pay out the ass.

    Now THAT'S 'reality television' for you...

    --
    "...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
  39. Re:Of course there is a "market" for this by AceM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TV will not be forced to innovate or die just because some people who probably don't watch tv much anyway cancel their tv subscriptions. Face it, not many people who actually watch are going to want to do that.

    We can however force them to change and innovate by telling them what we want! Look at it this way... You think MTV has become a pile of trash, but you like what's on [random channel]? You tell your cable company you don't want it. Enough people do that and MTV realizes they have to innovate, yet you still get to watch your shows on [random channel]. Actually, not only do you get to watch them, but the owners of that network realize they have a good thing going and are less apt to change their shows.

    As things are now, the networks don't give a care about what you think. They can pretty much put up whatever they want and still get paid. The ratings systems in place now don't cut it... What's wrong with giving the consumer more control over what's on?

  40. Most idiotic complaint by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Lawmakers report that their constituents are angry about cable bills that have risen at three times the rate of inflation..."

    I get so sick of hearing complaints about the cost of X rising than more than the rate of inflation. Guess what, the inflation rate is an overall value, some things will grow at a higher rate, some lower. Given the fact that the value provided by cable has grown*, I really think people don't have much to complain about here. Think also of how much time people really spend watching cable - it is basically the main form of entertainment in most homes.

    This is like the constant whining over the price of gas. If you actually consider the value that consumers get out of it, the price itself isn't so bad.

    * While it is fashionable to constantly bemoan the lack of good content on TV, look at the diversity of offerings that cable provides, and the opportunity for shows to reach major success from small beginnings that never would have occured on network TV (like Trading Spaces or Queer Eye).

    --
    Stop by my site where I write about ERP systems & more
  41. content providers driving pricing. by rocketsauce666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think of it. Content providers charge based on total subscribers. This is why your satellite providers can offer cheaper service. they operate on a wholesale business model.

    Cable companies are stuck with an exponentially smaller subscriber base, so prices will be higher than dish.

    Now, if you begin to divy up on a per channel basis, where you had 300k of subscribers to charge equally for the Discovery channel, you now have to charge more for Discovery channel for the subs that want it. So ostensibly, you could be paying a ton more for your service.

    plus, on the feasibility end of things, you would force 1 of 2 methods of channel blocking; either putting traps on the line outside, and attenuating the total signal getting into the house, or setting up an addressable cable converter for each set in the house, and scrambling all the cable channels on the service.

    So, it sounds good, until you actually look into what you would have to do to get it. I wonder if the government would subsidize cable companies to convert to this new system. Oh, but if you get into gov't subsidies, then you're beholden to the government to transmit their party line.

  42. As soon as they remove their equipment by iceperson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    from land that's owned by the taxpayers then I'll stop calling for my representatives to represent my interest when it comes to said equipment.

  43. The power of inertia by abiggerhammer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nothing in the article indicates that cable companies will only be able to offer a la carte services. I fully expect that Comcast, Warner, et al will go on offering their package-deals, and that most consumers won't have the time or inclination to pick and choose only the channels they want.

    For that matter, nothing's stopping the cable companies from providing a la carte selection at some outrageous price and package-deals at the prices they've been charging all along, on the grounds that if people want a service, they'll have to pay for it at a price the market will bear.

    The lament that "oh, we'll be paying $45/month for 6 channels" makes sense only if a-la-carte-only is mandated.

    --
    Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like you're in the shower. Fuck like you're being filmed.
  44. Yep... Case in point - by Chordonblue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My parents were going to discontinue their cable service but are litterally in a 'rock in a hard place' as far as picking up any local stations on rabbit ears.

    Nonetheless, my dad made the call and was informed that there was an unadvertised package for $15/month that would give them basic local and a few other channels. They called it the 'basic-basic' plan or some such garbage. I guess it was a way to keep people like my parents for leaving completely.

    The cablecos know their pricing is out of hand, but the fact is, the PROVIDERS of the channels are equally blameworthy, if not more so.

    Viacom: "Tell ya what. We'll give you VH2, MTV2 and 3, and the Munchkin Channel as part of our package deal!"

    Comcast Exec: "Yeah, but all we really want is VH2 and MTV 2 and 3..."

    Viacom: "Ah, so sorry. These channels only come as a package... Say! Would you like some Food Channel to go along with that?"

    Frustrating indeed!

    --
    "...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
  45. Re:DISH used to do this by Phreakiture · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dish Pix was $1.50/channel, $5.00 minimum.

    The price was right in that if you purchased the channels a la carte, you would rack up a much higher bill than purchasing packages. This encouraged the purchase of packages.

    For example, the the bottom package was the top 50 (now top 60 since they did away with Pix). 50 Channels at $1.50 apiece would be $75, but the top 50/60 package was, IIRC, about $20. If you could really pick out 13 specific channels you wanted, and only those 13, then you could make out better with Dish Pix, especially if some of those channels were in higher tiers.

    The part that became costly for Dish Network, though, and something that all of the supplemental TV services will have to address, is not the technology, but keeping customers from spending long lengths of time on the phone with customer service hemming and hawing about what channels they want. This is the reason why Dish discontinued this service, from what I understand.

    The move to all-digital on cable would be a boost. This will free up some 420 MHz of bandwidth used for analogue channels from our local system, for example, which could then be turned around into one or more of: (a) better bitrate, ergo better picture, (b) more channels or (c) higher throughput for cable modem users. As I am a cable modem user, but not a cable TV viewer (I get my TV from Dish Network), option C would be my choice, but, as I said, these three are not mutually exclusive.

    --
    www.wavefront-av.com
  46. Charging by channel? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Maybe the whole idea of charging by the channel is fundamentally flawed. To really match the costs to benefits of cable service, it might be better to charge by the minute. That way, the people who use the service more pay more, and the people who use it less pay less. It could be set up like most other utilities, with a base rate to cover overhead, and various per-minute rates depending on channel, time of day, etc. Everybody could always access any channel, but they would pay the corresonding per-minute charge to watch.

    Of course, the problem with this is the cable companies' tendency to price gouge. However, maybe something as simple as mandating that the cable box always display an accurate real-time running count of the day's viewing charges might counteract this. Since most people are basically cheap, they'll shut off the service if they see the day's total go over a couple of bucks. This would put pressure on the cable providers to keep the charges reasonable.

    Another approach might be to give billing control over the various channels directly to the upstream provider. The current cable company would only handle the physical infrastructure, with their costs covered by the base rate. The content providers would compete against each other on price for the individual channels that people watch. This could work kind of like the current arrangement for competition in long-distance phone service, where you choose among long-distance services that are brought to you via your local phone company.

  47. Re:This will do nothing by mjh · · Score: 4, Funny
    The cable company isn't sponsoring daily corporate carnivals for the CEO's kids with the money they make.

    Ummm... are you sure about that?

    --
    Key to financial independence: Spend less than you earn. Save and invest the difference. Do it for a long time.
  48. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uhmm.. No. Just that there should be no restriction to someone else opeining up a car service shop.

  49. Cleaning your own mess. by Syntax+Heir · · Score: 3, Funny

    It really torques me to read these kinds of stories. The government LOVES to step in and play the hero when they solve a "problem" THEY created.

    Hmm...
    Authorizing a monopoly = Problem
    Legislating a 'solution' != Praise

    There is no other institution on this earth better at taking credit for fixing something it shouldn't have broken.

    Citizen---"Ow! You just broke my leg"
    US Govt.---"Here is a federally authorized and provided crutch"
    Citizen---"Thanks for nothing!"
    US Govt.---"You're welcome."
    Populace---*Cheers for the benevolent government who is sensitive to the needs of its citizens*

    Boooooooooo!

    --
    The greatest hindrance to success is a well-rationalized excuse
  50. Think of how it will effect HD by techstar25 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I only want the HD channels but Brighthouse required me to subscribe to the full digital package at $99/mo so I can get their 6 HD channels(ABC, CBS, FOX, PBS, NBC, Disc). It's another $4/mo a la carte for HDNet (2) and INHD(2), which show sports and cool concerts. Plus for me to get HBO in HD (Sopranos), I have to subscribe to the whole HBO/Showtime package which is like 15 more channels for another $20, and I watch only one of them. Give me those 12 HD channels for $3 each per mo ($36)and I'll gladly pay it. It would save me $100/mo. If people could get only the HD channels a la carte, I think they would.

  51. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by MotherInferior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I better make this quick before the Mod-sharks bork my opinions again.

    You bring up a valid issue, one that most of the leftists here are incapable of listening to. It is possible, however difficult, to keep things on the local level. Cable companies deal with the local goverments, and this is how they keep their monopolies. Take the fight to the city council, and you can see real change.

    Take the fight to Washington, and you get Federalization, more hegemony, more collusion. Do you actually think that John McCain gives a flying crap about your cable bills? The man probably hasn't paid a cable bill in 20 years (if ever). He's interested in maintaining the relationship he has with the Time-Warners and Comcasts of the world. Do you really think he'd knowingly sabotage that relationship, just so you can watch Dick Van Dyke re-runs for $10 less a month?

    Please. You want Uncle Sam to stop playing with the Big Boys of Wall Street? Then, YOU stop playing with them. I haven't watched cable TV in 7 years. I find my news and entertainment elsewhere. What would happen if most Americans did that, hmm? The Big Boys wouldn't be quite so Big, would they?

  52. Great, but this doesn't go far enough by camperslo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Aside from the number of channels used or carried, I believe there are other factors that should be taken into account to force rate REDUCTION.

    1) Digital transmission allows carrying the content of many channels in the bandwidth of a single analog channel. These added channels cost less to carry and maintain since their addition does not tax the power output capacity of the distribution amplifiers. Also the demands for signal amplitude and freedom from cross-modulation (amplifier distortion causing noise and spill-over between channels) are lessened since the digital signal is less vulnerable than analog. Analog tv signals use vestigal-sideband amplitude modulation which is vulnerable to noise in the same way that A.M. radio brodcasts are. We've all seen the cost savings of digital transmission in long-distance telephone service. The same principles apply to some degree.

    2) Cable companies actually get kickbacks from sales on shopping channels, and often give those more desirable channel placement than things we want. They should pay US for carrying these!

    3) Cost of the systems are subsidized by locally inserted advertising in many cases. And while this competition for ad revenue is damaging to local radio and tv broadcasters, the cable company isn't faced with the high-cost of producing news programming, or the burden of complying with public inspection files.

    4) The cost for basic service users should be lower now that digital technology has virtually eliminated piracy of premium services.

    5) Although it should be fair use to watch and record cable programs on anything in a household (much like we're now free to have extension phones without added fees), digital transmission requires a decoder for each location, and we're stuck with added fees for this.

    6) We're stuck with paying perhaps $1 a month per decoder box for electricity to power the decoder boxes which are party of the cable company infrastructure. These boxes use power even when we're not watching which is not only costly, but environmentally unfriendly.

    7) In my area, there is an anti-competitive "cable access fee" of about $10/month tacked on for internet service of those that are not cable tv subscribers. This is unreasonable considering that the connection is simply a tap into an existing feed, NOT a dedicated cable all the way back to a central office (as it is with a phone company). To the extent that using the cable system for internet use covers a portion of the infrastructure costs, the cost for basic cable users should fall.

    Cable rates are held artificially high because we're dealing with monopoly. With lack of competition relief must come through regulation.

  53. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by MotherInferior · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Free maket? ... A few months ago, I switched to satellite for lower monthly costs, and a low cost TiVO.

    Thanks for answering your own question. Makes life easier for me.

  54. Let's take it a step further! by mikeboone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it would be cool if you paid for cable usage like you do for electricity...for how much you use. Give me access to every channel, and charge me by the minute. If I really like a certain show, I'll be willing to pay for it. If I go on vacation for a couple weeks, I pay nothing.

    It might also cut down on the mindless hours people spend in front of their TVs.

  55. Would you pay for C-SPAN? by s4f · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if I would want to pay for C-SPAN, If watch it once a week, that's a lot. And probably more than most. Yet. I really like the idea that it's there shining a light on what goes on in congress. And I'm willing to pay for it as a part of my cable bill, If there's not enough like me, then it'll go away. That would be bad.

    Also the cable companies need to make it easy and CHEAP to switch channels. Now you have to call them up, and it's a minimum of $5 for any changes. They should give me a package that I can choose 15 channels, and let me pick which, and change them at will.

    I would be reasonable to have then force you to make only one or two changes a month. Otherwise you could effectively rig the system to let you watch all of it. Especially if there was a web interface to the selections.

  56. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  57. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by anachattak · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And that monopoly is not afraid of legislation. I wouldn't be suprised if the cable industry (with a little MPAA backing) attempt their own counter-offensive in Congress, arguing that forcing them to unbundle channels will run them out of business.

    We already know how willing they are to lie and fabricate numbers to get the legislation they want. In Tennessee, they've fabricated ridiculous statistics they claim are "losses from theft of service" in order to push through the MPAA's SDMCA bill. It's in the legislative committees right now and Tennessee Digital Freedom is working hard to stop them.

    There's an e-mail campaign going on right now at Tennessee Digital Freedom to try to let legislators know that the SDMCA is wrong for Tennessee and that monopolies like the cable companies do not need additional protection from government. If anything, CONSUMERS need protection from the monopolists (and their lobbyists).

    I encourage everyone to visit the TNDF website, check out the e-mail campaign and let politicians know what you think!!!

  58. Poor Senator McCain by missing000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I go down to buy a loaf of bread."

    You just can't make stuff like that up. I say he has bigger problems than the cost of cable, but who's to say? Maybe if his cable bill was lower he could afford bread on the salary we provide for him.

  59. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, but its not a true free market. Cable companies have physical advantages of use of a land-line system that they other systems are not physically capable of competing with. Its like saying that, if there was only one car company, that they did not have a monopoly because you can still buy a motorcycle or take the bus.

    Lets say there was only MS (sick sad world) on PC. DOn't like it? Oh, just get a Palm. Or a tablet. Or something else that's not a PC. Wait, you want a PC, but not MS?

  60. More for all channels, but not the point... by digitalamish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure if you got the same number of channels it would be the same price, but if you only picked up the channels you want, it may make the cost go down for the consumer. I'm sure someone else really wants all of the religious/CSPAN/Oxygen network choices, but I don't. It might also force some networks to reevaluate. MTV, for instance, might take note if 50% of their viewers dropped MTV and MTV2 picked up.

    Honestly, out of the 100 channels you get, how many do you spend more than a fraction of a second surfing past? I probably only watch 20% of the channels I get. If the rates were to double for all of basic cable, but I only paid for the 20% I wanted, I'm still saving.

    One downside I see is that networks could become like TV shows. If it doesn't perform well in the first year, it'll get pulled for something else.

    1. Re:More for all channels, but not the point... by Znork · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Honestly, out of the 100 channels you get, how many do you spend more than a fraction of a second surfing past? I probably only watch 20% of the channels I get."

      And, honestly, how many percent of the programming on those channels do you watch? So, why should we have to pay for the rest of the crap that's on?

      Why not just skip the middle men and just buy the content we want?

    2. Re:More for all channels, but not the point... by TheScottishGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      nonestly i don't think people will end up paying less for cable, what i reckon is likely to happen is that the good channels will be billed at something silly like $5 a month, now that doesn't sound too bad, but figure a base charge for connection say $20-$25 maybe they offer a free channel for the top tier, maybe you add Fox, MTV2, and your favourite sports channel, now already you're at $35-40 a month, your cable bill is $10 cheaper but you have a whopping 4 channels, there's also the point that networks that run multiple channels, like ESPN and MTV and C-span would likely spread the programming so that you need to buy both MTV and MTV2 to get what you really want.

  61. Socialist side conflicting with liberal side... by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This reminds me of the old saying: "Democracy is four wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner."

    With our current system, less popular channels are subsidized. That makes it possible for channels like TechTV, The Biography Channel, and Discovery Wings to survive.

    With a la carte cable plans, we run the risk of sinking to a least-common-denominator selection of cable programming, where the consumer is given viewing choices of pro wresting, Fear Factor, Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire?, and soap operas. Small, special-interest channels may go under due to a lack of people willing to pay for them individually. Sure, mom & dad my get the kids to watch a National Geographic Channel show once every month or two, but will they be willing to pay for the channel every month? I bet that most of them won't.

    On the other hand, I don't like paying for non-English channels, either, nor do I have any great interest in women's channels like Oxygen. I don't really want the Home Shopping Club or QVC. But I recognize that people who do want those channels may not like paying for The Discovery Channel, The Science Channel, or Speed Channel, either, all of which I do watch.

    I'd rather see us go back to the old system where cable rates were regulated. This would prevent content providers from raising the rates too high, because they would know that the cable companies could not pass the costs on to consumers. Now they raise rates and the cable companies pass the costs on to us.

  62. Regional monopoly by SunPin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The correct term is "regional monopoly". It applies to phone companies, Department stores (i.e., target/Wal-Mart & home depot/Lowe's) and cable companies.

    Look at a map. Companies know that 95% of people live and die within 10 miles of their home so it's easy to carve out territories.

    Buyers like competition but sellers do not. If everyone agrees to keep their distance, everybody makes money. In the South where development is basically new (~30 years) this is a rock solid law of nature. Major corporations stay close enough to carry the banner of free markets but far enough away to make money.

    --
    Laws are for people with no friends.
    1. Re:Regional monopoly by Don'tTreadOnMe · · Score: 5, Funny
      The correct term is "regional monopoly". It applies to phone companies, Department stores (i.e., target/Wal-Mart & home depot/Lowe's) and cable companies.

      I don't know about your town, but in my town, Winchester, VA, USA, I can stand in one parking lot and throw rocks in four directions, hitting, in order, a Target, a Wal Mart, a Lowes, and a Home Depot.

      None of them have a local monopoly, but they all call the law when you throw rocks at them.

    2. Re:Regional monopoly by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Exactly. The fact that my home town only had one grocery store (most of the time) didn't make it a monopoly because there was no "barrier to entry" preventing competition. It costs roughly the same to open a grocery as any other retail business, with the same basic issues (suppliers, shelves/equipment, location, personnel).

      Other grocery stores came and went. The town just wasn't able to support more than one, so in each case, the family-owned store survived because they were more concerned with staying in business than maintaining high profit margins. If they had raised their prices enough to piss people off, another chain could easily walk in and topple them, and periodically did.

      Cable companies, by contrast, are a monopoly. There is a tremendous cost to starting a new cable company. First, you have to get permission to run lines. For areas with underground utilities, this often proves impossible, which kills that plan before it starts. Next, you have to pay the (often huge) cost of leasing pole space. And of course, you have to spend months running the lines across the city at a tremendous cost.

      Compounding this problem is the contract that many municipalities have with their cable company, which provides for a government-sanctioned monopoly. The city may actually have to go through a termination process to remove the existing company before another would be allowed to provide service (assuming a traditional wire-based distribution).

      Competing technologies like satellite have proven to be ineffectual because of the (perceived) high barrier to entry by the individual consumer (purchasing the system, installing it, etc.) Even the periodic "free dish with free installation" offerings do little to help because the cable companies abuse their monopoly power by showing advertisements disguised as public service announcements that pound lies and half-truths about satellite services into the heads of prospective consumers.

      The only way cable service will ever be priced reasonably is if either there are always two or more cable companies per market or the prices are regulated by law. It's sad that it takes an election year to get our government to even give it a second look. If only every year were an election year.... *sigh*

      --

      Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.

    3. Re:Regional monopoly by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You are right that the costs are high, but they are not prohibitive. Also, these costs are not created by the current "monopoly" but rather by the inherent fact that these things cost money. I live in a rather poor neighborhood in Chicago, and I can choose between two different cable companies in my building. It used to be three but there was a merger. If costs were truly prohibitive, there wouldn't be such a choice.

      I really don't know how much profit cable companies take from monthly service charges, especially compared to similar services such as satellite or cell phones. But as has been written before, cable programming is just "bait" for the advertisements. The money you pay each month for cable is seen as a connection charge to the cable company. This can be loosely compared to how we pay for an internet connection but that payment is not for the content (in most cases) but rather for the connection. Free content on the web is paid for by advertising, much how TV works. Premium, ad-free content on the web requires payment in some form, much like cable channels such as HBO and Cinemax.

      What this all means is that the cable companies cannot in any practical means charge you significantly less monthly if you choose not to have certain channels. This means that while there may be a law passed to require custom packages, this same law will not cut your cable bill in half by any means. I could see cable companies offering a flat connection charge of say $30 a month and then a certain charge for each channel added to the package. Different channels might cost different amounts. As you can see here, you may end up paying more to achieve about the same amount of decent programming you had originally. You may only have 4 favorite channels, that's how I am, but I find that having more options is often better. yes, half of the channels do suck, but who cares?

      Ultimately, the best solution for dealing with high cable bills is to call up customer service and explain that you cannot afford the rate any more. They'll usually cut your bill down considerably for a year and then you can renegotiate later.

      --
      I am feeling fat and sassy
  63. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by Ayaress · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My city has been taking it to the city council about our cable company for TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS. They were fighting Cox before I was born - hell, back when having cable was a social status symbol and most people around here didn't even know what the local cable company was, the city council was listening to people fighting the cable companies almost every week.

    What's it gotten us? Not damn shit. Bresnan bought Cox, Charater bought Bresnan, and each one proceedes to screw us harder than the last one, and more people went to the city council to complain.

    So, we ran a referrendum. It passed overwhelmingly, and we kicked Bresnan out in favor of Nova (who, at the time, offered 50 channels for $25 a month, compared to Bresnan's 30 channels for $35)

    Guess what happened? Bresnan bought Nova, and we got fucked again - as did everybody up in Gladwin county who already had Nova for their cable. We got our 20 extra channels, but we also got another fifteen bucks a month on our bill instead of ten off.

    Last year, Charter cut seven channels and increased the price by $8. This year, they're planning to cut two channels and add one that will soon be merging with a channel we already get anyway, and they've already tacked $5 on the bill, with $10 more comming this summer.

  64. Deregulation by Wun+Hung+Lo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's interesting that rates have gone up astronomically SINCE deregulation. Why is it that companies go before Congress and say "If we didn't have all this government oversight and regulations to deal with, we would be able to make more money and charge the consumers less." Well, guess what? The airlines, the savings & loan crisis, the energy companies all started either going bankrupt or ripping everyone off. Then, of course, they go back before Congress and say "It's not our fault, you didn't regulate us!"

  65. Who watches MTV? by Gruneun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MTV, for instance, might take note if 50% of their viewers dropped MTV and MTV2 picked up.

    Except, MTV is mostly viewed by the people in a household who are not the ones paying the cable bill. A sudden drop in subscribers could just as easily be explained by parents angrily dropping the channel, giving MTV back its "rebel" status and making it even more appealing to the younger crowd... you know, the ones with the disposable income.

    If you don't believe me, look at VH1, a channel that plays much more music, appeals to an older crowd, lives under the same umbrella... and doesn't come close in ratings or revenue.

  66. Cable's fault or content provider's fault? by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After the recent Viacom/Dish dust-up, we were reminded of the bundling forced on cable operators by content providers -- want ESPN? Then you need ESPN2, ESPN classic, ESPN gardening, ESPN chess, the Menstruation Network, and the Colonoscopy Channel *or* you don't get ESPN. Oh, and because we're providing so many channels, the cost is high, too.

    Cable operators have said that forced bundling by the content providers forces them to bundle channels as well, since they could easily sell ESPN ala cart but the 27 shit channels they have to pay for as well to get ESPN wouldn't sell, making it a huge money loser.

    I'm generally in favor of unbundled channels, but only if they're vertically unbundled and the cable company only pays the content providers based on the subscriptions they have for those channels. Anything else should be considered a restraint of trade.

  67. Better Nothing Than Second-Best by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That would be good advice if there was a company selling only the stuff you DO want. If there's no alternative, than competition does not come into play.

    I'll repeat myself:
    Yes, this means you have to give up the something you want, because it's bundled with a bunch of shit you don't want. Hang in there -- if enough consumers stop consuming the shit, companies will desperately try to save themselves from bankruptcy by selling you what you really wanted in the first place.
    I should have added: When you cancel your account, be sure to write -- or better yet, write and call -- to let the company know why you are dropping their service: make clear what they must do to win back your business.

    Better to do without, than to settle for second-best.

    -kgj
    --
    -kgj
  68. Re: Evil Government Intrusion by davegust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cable does not have a monopoly on content delivery. Cable has about 70 million subscribers, compared to 20 million for the two major satellite providers. Nearly all consumers, even apartment dwellers, have a choice between cable and satellite television.

    If you look at how the market has changed in the last five years, cable rates have gone up, but quality and quantity of channels have also improved. Cable improved their product to meet competition from the satellite guys, which traditionally have offered better quality and more channels - appearantly what most consumers want.

    The satellite guys experimented with a la carte a few years ago, but it didn't sell. People wanted the 150 channel package. "Super size it. I want the best value."

    The government should stay out of this particular fight. Market forces are working. The thing regulators need to watch is the mega-mergers between the content providers (News Corp, Time Warner, Disney, etc). It's these guys who have the power now. The cable and satellite guys are nearing a commodity status for delivery.

  69. Re:And here Slashdot shows its leftist bent by cens0r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their are millions of people living in apartments that find it extremly difficult to acquire satelite.

    --
    Jack Valenti and Orrin Hatch will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
  70. What I want by cjpez · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I want to take it one step further. I stopped watching TV a few years ago, but there's still the occasional show (Invader Zim comes to mind) that I'd love to see, and just went over to friends' houses to watch. What I want to have is a service that lets me go to a webpage or something, select which *show* I want, and then for that half-hour or so I can watch just that show. There's no way in hell I'm paying a full monthly rate for all of Nickelodeon when the only thing worth watching on it is half an hour on Friday nights, or whenever the hell IZ was on.

    So yeah, that'd be great.

  71. Can we afford the choice? by ps · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to want a choice in cable channels. I'm not a big sports fan, so I'd rather not have ESPN, nor QVC, etc. But after I thought about it for a while, it would probably be more expensive to have it ala carte, since the cable networks set the prices for their channels.

    Think about it for a second. We have, what, 108 million cable subscribers in the US? Round that to 100 million for simplicity. If each cable channel (ESPN, CNN, Discovery, etc.) gets $0.25 per subscriber, they get $25 million to cover the costs of production. But if all of a sudden, we have all but 1 million of those people no longer paying, the channel only gets $250,000. So if it actually takes $25 million to produce the shows, then they're going to have raise their costs to $25.00 to make up the difference. Do you want to spend $25.00 a month to pay for SciFi?

    Whether or not it costs $25 million to run the channel is open for debate.