Slashdot Mirror


New Zaurus Linux PDA Available In the U.S.

pdawerks writes "The Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L handheld, which runs Linux in the Trolltech's Qtopia environment, has finally made it to the U.S. at a pricepoint of $699, according to a PDALive.com article. It has a 4-inch 480 x 640 CG Silicon reflective screen that is much larger than the one in the 5x00 models, and the screen supports rotation on the fly (portrait and landscape modes). Sharp has also incorporated a sliding thumb keyboard into this model."

57 of 195 comments (clear)

  1. SWEET! by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a tad on the pricey side, but I'm gonna buy one just to show up some dude at my company who got a tablet with XP Tablet Edition and thinks it's the cat's meow...
    Although he sometimes salivates over my Mandrake desktop....

    I wonder if it would be any cheaper if they went with GTK instead of Qtopia? Ah, wtf, it should be cool anyway! Count me in!

    --
    bash: rtfm: command not found
    1. Re:SWEET! by boisepunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems lots of companies are jumping on the Linxu PDA wagon these days (Powerplay V, Softfield VR3, Zaurus, etc). This is great for those of use that use Linux, but the the main problem I see with all of these devices is that they only Sync with Windows out of the box.

      Empower Tech, Softfield, Sharp, and now Royal should all be providing software to Sync with Linux (as well as Windows for the Other 95% of the population).

      Why is this this so important? Well what has annoyed me the most about linux PDAs is that all the dev tools are in Linux, then you have to transfer your apps over to a Windows Partition to use there Windows transfer software load it (or use Wine).

      No Linux PDA will be successful until it Syncs (and Syncs well) with Linux. Heck, some Palm PDAs are easily to sync to with Linux then the current Linux PDA offerings.

      The market already has successful PDA platforms that Sync with Windows (Palm, Pocket PC, Psion). Why not finally make one that Syncs with Linux out of the box?

      Somehow I doubt Royal will step up to the plate in this regard.

      --
      main(0)
    2. Re:SWEET! by phrasebook · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm gonna buy one just to show up some dude at my company

      That's the spirit!

      Reminds me of this guy, where he writes: "I bought a PowerBook G4 in late 2002, mainly because I liked the packaging and I wasn't willing to give any money to Microsoft". What astounding logic. And then in the very next sentence he says: "I now regret that decision". What a surprise.

      I wish I could buy stuff for reasons like these...

    3. Re:SWEET! by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      LOL! Yea I saw that. Maybe I should have phrased it differently:

      ... my company will be buying me one of those ...

      --
      bash: rtfm: command not found
    4. Re:SWEET! by $ASANY · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Sync" is just a windows-oriented term for not supporting rsync, ssh, sftp and a host of other unix/linux utilities that perform the function of these hamstrung "sync" utilities. I have a 5600 and the windows desktop "sync" blows.

      Now that I have my zaurus up with ssh and ftp, I can drop in all sorts of linux utilities and literally pull the whole thing (as opposed to "most" of it with the windows backup utility) down to my SuSE box, change what I want and either ftp or rsync back. Or at least that's what I'm hoping to make happen once I get networking to stop horking up so consistently.

      I wish they'd include more out-of-the-box support for linux, but it's not that big a deal. And with four replacement OS's for this, if you don't like what you get at first you can flash the rom with any of the alternatives.

      I would rather be able to sftp and ssh into the zaurus and use CLI utilities than deal with some KDE GUI app that supposedly does file transfer. Give me those, and there's nothing I can't make happen.

      Now can anyone just clue me in about getting cardservices to allow an Netgear MA701 CF card to connect to a network? Dang thing won't associate with an AP no matter what I do! I'm about ready to flash it with Gentoo or OZ or something!

    5. Re:SWEET! by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No! "Synch'" is a term for not having to piss around with cli tools but instead I can just plug in my pda and it just synchs. That's how it should work.

      The presence of hacking tools is just a bonus: not a substitute for synch'-ing.

      --
      Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
    6. Re:SWEET! by rishistar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well I'm gonna buy one so I can drop it from approximately 1 metre!

      --
      Professor Karmadillo Songs of Science
    7. Re:SWEET! by jav1231 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No the problem continues to be price. Oddly enough, that's the one thing Linux should have helped keep down; even in the PDA market. Unfortunately, the PDA market appears to be oblivious to this.

  2. April Fools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    For a minute there, I thought that Slashdot had replaced all of its pages with "500 Internal Server Error" as an April Fool's joke...

  3. My kinda testing! by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 3, Funny
    "The SL-6000 is designed to be more rugged than common handhelds, and can withstand a drop from approximately 1 meter. "

    Can I be on that test team? Just goes to show, there's QA testing and then there's QA testing. "Debug code? Bah! I wanna drop things!"

    1. Re:My kinda testing! by Dimensio · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It also can apparently survive being drenched with water, provided that you dry it out before turning it on.

      Friend of mine had one next to a leaky air conditioner. Well, six feet. The thing really needs replacing. Got soaked, got dried, still works.

    2. Re:My kinda testing! by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 5, Funny

      Got soaked, got dried, still works.

      Sounds like the last few years of my drinking career...

      --
      I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
      I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
    3. Re:My kinda testing! by dtperik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My kid spilled a full glass of water over my Zaurus 5500. I picked it up and watched water run out of the earphone jack and CF ports. Needless to say I was not exactly happy with my kid. Well, immediately took the battery out, SD card, wireless CF card (which was in there at the time), took the thing apart, dried up what I could, and let it dry for a day. Put it all back together and boom, it's run fine with no problems. I like a piece of electronics that can take that kind of abuse.

      P.S. My kid lived through it.

  4. Flip that... by CrypticSpawn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is a price of a cheap laptop.

    1. Re:Flip that... by boisepunk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I own a Zaurus SL-5500: the "original" US market unit (as opposed to the original developer's unit, the SL-5000, which was basically the same thing with half the RAM). I'll say this: you can have it... when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.



      Two reasons it rocks:



      • The keyboard. The primary reason this is 10x more efficient than (most) palm devices: I can type very quickly on the build-in "hidden" keyboard. Yes, the Zaurus has something like PalmOS's Graffiti. In fact, the Z's recognizer is more sophisticated and accurate, and can learn any strokes you teach it. I still use the keyboard.
      • Linux. No, I do not use my Z as a "hacking tool" or "geek toy" primarily. I've written a test app for it or so, but that's it. (Doing so is incredibly easy, actually, but I haven't had a lot of time to spend on it.) I bought my Zaurus as a PDA, and that's what I use it for. Since I use Linux exclusively on the desktop, having it on the PDA is extremely natural, not to mention making things extremely flexible. I find syncing silly. I prefer ssh, scp, or (with the newer ROM) smbclient (which is like a braindead ftp, but it works). If I needed syncing, I would use rsync. It just fits very naturally into my work environment.


      Some people complain about the PIM apps; the quality varies. The Todo List and Address Book aren't great, but I don't use the former and the latter is sufficient. The Text Pad, however, is pretty handy, and Opera (which even renders slashdot well!) and Hancomsheet (a fully-blown spreadsheet!) are killer apps for me.



      The only reason I don't upgrade to a CL-760 is the fact I can't justify the cost: my Z works great as-is. With the work on OpenZaurus and Opie, the PIM issues are being solved, and I have little chance of being left with a "dead" platform.

      --
      main(0)
    2. Re:Flip that... by mirko · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree with the above post, except that I have one reproach that'd mak me prefer a smart phone, next time I need a new PDA: The Zaurus doesn't sync with OSX!

      --
      Trolling using another account since 2005.
    3. Re:Flip that... by stankyho · · Score: 2, Informative


      There is a Qtopia desktop for OS X, but it doesn't sync OS X address book, iCal and stuff.

      There are 3rd party apps that kinda sync with address book and iCal.

      --

      ---
      eeww, I'll have a crab juice.
    4. Re:Flip that... by Oriumpor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I must agree... I cheated however, and purchased the developer model because I just *had* to have it as soon as it was available. Once I slotted in my 256mb SD card and 512mb flash the thing proved it's worth many times over. I used to hang out on the #zaurus channel an awful lot until I basically had the hang of it. In conjunction with the serial adapter + minicom it's a quick console into most of my gear, my Intel (aka symbol) lowpower Wifi allows me great flexibility while waiting for my cofee at the local hotspots and I'm thoroughly impressed with my CF modem while in those horrible 56k only spots.

      Blah blah not a plug etc. The reason I am so stuck on it, is because (in part) with a bit of practice one can reflash on the fly betwixt firmwares in notime using only a CF card and a few shell scripts.

      PS. for those with laptops the CF cards are dual use, with a nice 15$ CF to PCMCIA adapter.

    5. Re:Flip that... by starling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is a price of a cheap laptop.

      And a laptop is expensive compared to a cheap desktop. Do you see a pattern here?

      Miniaturisation costs, and in this case it's worth it. The key thing about the Zaurus (I have an SL5000) is that having a keyboard makes it more like a tiny laptop than a PDA.

      Most important of all, it's great for playing nethack on the bus :p

  5. must be a good PDA by victorvodka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    considering that none of that $699 pays for an OS

    --

    The flag just makes more sense than the constitution. - Judas Gutenberg

    1. Re:must be a good PDA by zgornz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually the $699 is all to pay for an OS, it goes straight to SCO, Sharp must be giving these things away for free....

    2. Re:must be a good PDA by KatTran · · Score: 3, Informative

      considering that none of that $699 pays for an OS

      Sharp does have to pay an undisclosed amount of money to TrollTech to use the Qtopia interface.

      From Qtopia Pricing page

      For prices, conditions and licensing terms on building a Qtopia device, please contact Trolltech Sales to discuss available packages.

    3. Re:must be a good PDA by XorNand · · Score: 3, Insightful
      considering that none of that $699 pays for an OS
      A licensing fee may not have been paid, but I think I can safely say that silicon doesn't spontaniously sprout OSS. Someone was paid to intergrate the OS into this device. Odds are that cost was passed onto the end-user. Additionally, I'd like to clarify another point: free != good.
      --
      Entrepreneur : (noun), French for "unemployed"
  6. Keyboard by AnonymousCowheart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Sharp has also incorporated a sliding thumb keyboard into this model."

    Didnt all the 5x00 series have the same type of keyboard?

  7. Cool widget, but WTF would buy it? by laird · · Score: 2, Informative

    This looks like a great geek toy, but aside from that who on earth would buy this thing? It's $699, and huge. If all you need is a PDA, you can get much, much nicer machines from Sony, Palm, or even (dare I mention it) WinCE licensees.

    1. Re:Cool widget, but WTF would buy it? by major.morgan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why...

      $50 premium over the top of the line iPaq (and only because it is brand-new), similar specs on mainboard, much better screen, flexibility of a REAL OS with a mulitude of opensource apps.

      Bad Ass PDA = $699
      Open Source Flexibility = Priceless

    2. Re:Cool widget, but WTF would buy it? by aonaran · · Score: 2

      Considering the fact that I would want my PDA if I got a new one to have either OpenZaurus with Opie or Familiar with Opie, IPAQ is no further behind in the race on the REAL OS or tonnes of opensource apps area... so that leaves it down to this list of differences:

      IPAQ:
      Can be flashed back to WinCE to make it easier to sell on eBay when I decided to upgrade
      Smaller
      Easier to find accessories for

      Zaurus:
      Better screen (480x640 vs 240x320)
      hidden keyboard with REAL buttons that doesn't take away screen real estate
      CF slot built in (I have CF memory cards)
      smaller than IPAQ with CF sleave attached
      Nicer looking (subjective I know, but it still makes a difference)

      That said, I'll wait till I can get one off ebay for $300 or less.

  8. 699? i can get a laptop for this by spacepimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    im trying to decide what the real advantage of a pda that costs 700 dollars is? portability aside where it the payoff? oqo had an intersting idea in full pc power in a sub laptop size but that has seemingly become vaporware.. what is the true advantage to this device other than it being (linux)?

    1. Re:699? i can get a laptop for this by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, let's see, 400 mhz, xscale processor. Not sure off hand how that measures in bogomips, but I am reasonably sure someone will chime in with it's rating, and someone else will chime in with how useless it is as a measure of a processor.

      Touch screen. Not absolutely sure, but don't recall any laptops with that, much less at a $700 price. Tablets seem to still be running in the $1600 range, so I suppose you could pay double this for a larger screen, etc.

      Instant on, no waiting for the hard drive to power up, spin up, then transfer a memory image to memory, calculate adjustments to date and time, etc.

      Fits in your pocket, pretty much any text mode program is a re-compile away, if it was compiled to begin with. You may need to install a python library or two, but you would probably have to do that for your laptop as well.

      Acceptable battery life. The only thing that comes close laptop wise to either of my 5500s is my iBook, and even that I generally leave plugged in. Your milage may vary.

      Works well as simply a PDA. I like mine as an alternate MP3 player (256Meg of a 512Meg cf card filled with music is a reasonable amount of music.) And it still fits in your pocket.

      I happen to think IQNotes is one of the better quick jot applications for keeping track of things. Sketch, write, grab an e-mail address, whatever. Great for those shopping lists that you want to re-use, or those lists of books to consider picking up next time you are at the library. So far as I know it's only available on the Zauraus so far. (pretty sure it will be ported, or copied to other platforms in time.)

      But then I'm probably biased. I can't claim it is worth all of $699, in that I only own earlier models, and haven't played with this one.

      -Rusty

      --
      You never know...
    2. Re:699? i can get a laptop for this by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      portability aside where it the payoff?
      "speed and handling aside, I don't see what's so great about a Porche." "Beauty and and acting aside, what's so great about Liv Tyler?" "Freedom and power aside, what's the big deal about Linux?"

      It's a PDA, Dude. I don't think any of 'em are worth a hill of beans without the portability.

      TW
    3. Re:699? i can get a laptop for this by Tet · · Score: 4, Informative
      The 5500 has all of the above except the 400 mhz xscale processor, and can be had "new in original packaging" for less than $200 if you keep your eyes open on e-bay.

      True, but it doesn't have the screen. I have both an SL-5500 and a SL-C860. The 860's screen is so much better it's really not funny. It has to be seen to be believed. It's an amazingly crisp display, and at 640x480, it's able to give me an 80x24 text console, which the 5500 couldn't manage even with the smallest font size. Sharp are coming so close to making the perfect machine. The only thing lacking from the 860 is builtin bluetooth -- I have to use a separate CF card for that (I'd rather be putting extra storage in that slot). Now the 6000 has all the features, but for reasons that I don't understand, has reverted to the sliding keyboard form factor, rather than the clamshell design of the 860. If they could just put the 6000 in a clamshell case with the larger keyboard, I'd be very happy indeed...

      --
      "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
    4. Re:699? i can get a laptop for this by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2, Informative
      Though I'd give anything for internal bluetooth, have you seen this?

      I got one for my C760 a couple months ago, and can't live without it. Serial-over-bluetooth without taking the CF slot, and pairs with every phone I've tried (plus your PC, using the included USB adapter).

      --
      A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
  9. Sorry, but looks count.... by }InFuZeD{ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone else notice that these Sharp PDAs are less-than-beautiful in case design?

    I'm not highly impressed with either the case design OR the OS design, but the case in particular.

    Look at the Sony Clie NX series modles, the Tungsten E, etc. Those are some nice looking handhelds. The Sony Launcher also LOOKS nice.

    Sorry, but when I see pictures of these Sharp PDAs, they just don't excite me. The only upside is the VGA screen.

    I'll definitely be looking out for VGA Palm units in the near future though, those should be great :)

  10. Demand by slimak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really, what is the demand for a product like this? The price alone sets this way above what the average consumer should be willing to pay. Sure there are the "power users", the technophites and the "too wealthy to cares" who this is perfect for, but what about the rest of us? Seems like another case of a product with too high a price for the features that will be frequently used.

    1. Re:Demand by bogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dunno, what's more useful? A PDA/micro-notebook you can use to manage your entire business/life,play games, surf the web, use email, run X apps, listen to music etc for $699 or an Ipod that you listen to music on but can cost $500? Somehow everyone here seems to think its worth it for a pleasure item like an Ipod why isn't it useful for something you can do so much more with?

      Like Apple users are always telling me, if you have to question the value of something based on price you weren't part of the target market to begin with.

      --
      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
    2. Re:Demand by FatRatBastard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I got mine during the HSN sale for less than $200, which was about the price I said "ok, its worth buying." I dig mine a lot, but admittedly don't use it much as a planner/organizer. Its great for surfing the net / checking mail / on the spot administration on the road with the WiFi card without lugging a laptop around. Also, its great for playing solitaire while on the pot. Things I wish were better:
      • "Today" that worked newest Sharp rom
      • Mail app that allowed me to set the "mail folder" for my iMap account (defaulting to the root folder creates all kinds of problems)
      • Better looking interface (yeah, its picky, but I'll admit the newer Palms and PPCs just look better)
      And, no, I'm not going to upgrade to OPIE. a) I don't have a compact flash memory card to do it, b) I don't know how well it syncs to outlook (which is a deal breaker for me).
    3. Re:Demand by bwy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point is, I think, that you can get a Clie that does almost everything you said (except run X-apps) for much cheaper in arguably a nicer package. As others have said, Zaurus doesn't exactly have a Cadillac shell built around it. At least with your Mac argument, the consumer gets something that is a Cadillac all the way around (again, in my opinion.)

      No, Clie isn't Linux based. Does it matter though, really? There are more quality apps, IMHO, for the Palm platform that are made especially for the handheld form factor. And for something like a handheld, I kind of prefer a device that doesn't have to be rebooted when something goes wrong. People can say what they want but I was always having to reboot my Zaurus- it was always having memory leaks. I had to hard reset my Clie a couple times but it was really very rare.

  11. Free hardware by bakes · · Score: 4, Funny

    The hardware is actually free, the $699 is to cover the Linux license.

    Score: -1, Cheap SCO gag

    --
    Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!
    1. Re:Free hardware by LqqkOut · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess Bill Gates was right after all!

      --

      -- In Soviet Russia, radio listens to YOU!

    2. Re:Free hardware by Texas+Rose+on+Lava+L · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have you been taking math lessons from the RIAA?

  12. Re:The last "real" story? by LqqkOut · · Score: 3, Funny
    I can't wait for the "official stories", here are a few, from a secret MS-Word doc invisible ink:

    /. effect expands as readers actually view articles SCO group apologizes to Linus - "We've been insensitive clods" Soviet Russia welcomes W2k3 as national OS
    Funny how I was always on spring break when 4-1 came around!
    --

    -- In Soviet Russia, radio listens to YOU!

  13. Open Zaurus by I_Want_This_ID · · Score: 5, Informative
    Open Zaurus is going to have some fun with this one.

    It's a tad on the pricey side though as an SL-5500 can be had for under $200 and the SL-5600 (which has the 400 MHz xscale proc and 64 MB of RAM) is under $400 last time I checked

    1. Re:Open Zaurus by megan_of_wutai · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just a little correction.

      The 5500 has 64MB RAM (all of which can be used with OZ if you have a flash card) and 16MB internal flash . The 5600 has 32MB RAM and 64MB internal flash, the internal flash is faster than an SD or CF card but personally I think they made the wrong choice with it. The SL-6000 also uses a PXA-255 which was basically released as a bug fix for the PXA-250 (that the 5600 uses) which had several bugs (cache and pcmcia I seem to recall).

      The SL-6000 is much better of course :), with 64MB of both (although I seem to recall a marketing pdf with several different models, one of which had 128MB of flash, others didn't have the 802.11b and some had BT in addition, they don't seem to be offering that choice here).

      Of course this is all coming from a happy SL-5500 owner who doesn't need any newfangled XScale ;)... I'd kill for the screen though.

  14. Re:Trolltech??? by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Informative

    How can you not have heard of trolltech before?

    The makers of QT, the toolkit behind KDE, and the QTopia environment.

    --
    Advanced users are users too!
  15. I'd still take my 860 by stuffman64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recently purchased a Zaurus SL-C860 from Dynamism, and it is truely a device I can't live without. Sure, it was pretty expensive at around $850, but no other pda I've ever used can touch it in terms of speed, style, and overall "coolness." Hell, I'm running an X11-based ROM on it now, and nearly all X apps can be recompiled to run on it.

    I think I like the clamshell layout better than the traditional vertical PDA layout of this and the 5X00 series. Being able to quickly convert between mini-laptop mode and PDA mode is more useful than I'd ever imagined it would be. If I were to suggest a PDA to anyone, I'd say the SL-C760 is the better bet, as it costs the same as the 6000 and is nearly identical to the 860 (the 860 has a slightly larger screen, all-silver case and better default software, which is only helpful if you are japanese!).

    Sure, the 7XX and 8XX series do not have the built-in wireless, but the coolness factor of the design, and the fact that almost nobody in the US has one, make it the better choice (IMHO).

    --
    --- At my sig, unleash hell.
  16. nice, but i'd really like by whovian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to see 802.11g and USB 2.0 standard jack. Or do those suck too much power?

    I'm surprised that the Sharp web site doesn't list this product yet. But this page spells out a few more specs.

    --
    To-do List: Receive telemarketing call during a tornado warning. Check.
    1. Re:nice, but i'd really like by mrseigen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most of the other non-Palm PDAs I've seen have wireless capabilities on an external add-in card, so I'm sure this is available (along with a USB port) for your consumption. The additional cost is a pain, though.

  17. PDAs Arent Cutting it For Me by artlu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I loved my SL-5500 PDA from sharp for about 2 weeks, and then tossed it in a drawer along with my Palm IIIx and Newton. I am sure that there are many out there that love PDAs, but my cell phone has done everything I have ever needed out of a PDA. I'd rather spend the $700 and get the Sony Ericsson P800 phone with the megapixel cam, etc!

    Maybe when we have star trek like PDAs that will analyze everything about my surroundings i'd be more receptive.

    --
    -------
    artlu.net
  18. The Zaurus is not a pda by secondsun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Zaurus is not a PDA but a PDT (Person Digital Tool), and anyone who says otherwise is getting a foot in their arse.

    A PDA is a glorified address book that plays music and sells for 300$. My Zaurus (SL-5500) costs less than 200, runs a mobile X-11 server, allows for quick coding (802.11b CF card + ssh) when I am off campus and can't log into something heavy, plays movies, serves webpages, and runs Linux. The Zaurus is very hackable and has a high fun value attached to it. $699 is alot to spend for it, but in 6 months you can ebay one for about 300 which would be more inline.

    --
    There is nothing wrong with being gay. It's getting caught where the trouble lies.
  19. eBay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You could also pick up an older model off eBay for about $50.

    That is if you don't mind less RAM.

    1. Re:eBay by megan_of_wutai · · Score: 2, Informative
      The only Zaurus you're going to get for $50 is one of the ZR series. These being devices with some unspecified 16bit cpu and 2MB RAM. Personally that's a tad less RAM than I'd be happy with. Oh, and good luck running linux on one ;).

      A Zaurus of the SL series tends to go for around $170 for an SL-5500 and $300 for an SL-5600.

  20. battery life by phalse+phace · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone know how long the 1500mAH Lithium-polymer battery will last on this thing? I had the SL-5500 and the battery on that thing would only last 8 hours max. Is this one any better?

  21. rsync by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    rsync -ave ssh ~/mypdastuff root@zaurus:/mnt/card/

    Is one line to sync from Linux, or Solaris in my case, to the pda really that difficult? The entire point of a Linux pda is that it's just a small computer; what works for a Linux server works for a Linux pda.

    --
    You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
    1. Re:rsync by MS_is_the_best · · Score: 2, Informative

      Use CVS (or similar) on your homedir. With automount you can automate the behaviour.

      It is nice that as a nerd, you have been doing the stuff that is now 'cool' in proprietary software land for ten years, with some small shell scripts.

  22. Get a Nokia 92x0 instead. by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 3, Informative

    You get the lot in a single package. The best PDA OS and UI in the market, hundreds of third party applications and the phone is integrated right into the system. The cost sans connection is $699. If you get a connection with it, $50. Use the other $650 for something else.

    --
    Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
    1. Re:Get a Nokia 92x0 instead. by megan_of_wutai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you have the original Sharp ROM? The UI *was* a tad fugly, but now with OZ it looks like an OSX clone, in my pocket ;).

      Apparently you're astonishingly rich if you can use HSCSD as an 802.11b replacement. As far as GPRS, have you never wanted to be 24hrs contactable by the net as well as by mobile phone? with an IM app or IRC open all the time? If you don't *want* to be contactable I suggest that a communicator is the wrong device for you.

      See, I didn't want a PDA, I wanted a mobile computer, and that's what I got. The PDA apps are just a bonus, and honestly not that awful, the calendar in particular is quite good.

      In the event of something being a mobile computer, CPU and RAM *are* relevant. When was the last time you emulated a SNES on your communicator or used a VOIP app? lots of RAM is also highly useful for multitasking, email and IM and IRC and office app open at the same time is perfectly feasible and the Zaurus makes switching between apps easy.

      You perhaps made a poor choice buying a Zaurus, a Palm of some description would have prolly fitted you much better, if the Zaurus is in good condition you could get 170USD+ for it, and be able to buy a Palm Tungsten, Palm OS 5 and the PDA apps sound like a much better fit to what you want.

      The open source bonus being relatively excellent hardware support (for a handheld), the fact you can write or port programs (native, not java) without paying a licensing fee. The Zauruses are amazingly flexible devices that admittedly need some nous to set up.

      Also, I'm wondering what BT equipment you've been trying to use, most BT devices can pair with eachother, it's mostly stupid crap like some nokias that have problems. If you mean hardware compatibility, well, the Zaurus has the same hardware compatibility as any other linux machine running the 24.21 kernel (unless you're running the ancient sharp rom, 2.6 will come around at some point), that being most of the BT cards available (not to mention 802.11b, USB devices [through a usb card, or with the built in USB host of the SL-6000] and all sorts of other things).

      The SL-5500 keyboard is fine, unless you have gigantic fingers, and if you do you can get fold up keyboards. Hancom office is the best handheld WP I've used, .doc and all. The spreadsheet I haven't personally used. The contacts, well fine, write your own.

      And what's wrong with toastie makers? Nothing wrong, toasties are great, you just need to be ok with cleaning things.

  23. not all that interesting by hak1du · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No FLTK, no Gnome, no Gtk+, no Tcl/Tk, no wxWindows, no Mono/Gtk#, no X11, no Firefox, no R, etc. The thing doesn't run any software that I use or develop for. Sorry, Sharp, until the thing ships with X11, it's no more than a PDA, and as a PDA, Palms are more usable and mature. Not to mention that I can develop commercial and free software for Palm without paying anybody.

    I'm a die-hard LInux user, but my PDA is a Palm--Palms even work better with Linux than Zaurus. My Zaurus is gathering dust--it's useful neither as a PDA nor as a Linux handheld.

    Sharp could easily fix this without changing their product much: replace Qt/embedded with Qt/X11. That won't make it a better PDA and it won't make Qt less of a resource hog (Qt/X11 is worse than Qt/embedded), but it would make the Zaurus a better Linux handheld.