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LukePieStalker writes "Monday's Boston Globe has a story on the global market for car chippers. The article describes a global subculture of "drivers who reprogram their vehicles and the companies that keep them supplied with high-performance software and silicon chips". One nice hack: a car chipped-up for the race track can be set back to factory specs for the street simply by pushing the cruise control button."

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  1. That bowling ball! It's my wife by Monsieur+Canard · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the coming of warmer weather is bringing in a new wave of customers to KTR, which was originally owned by Boston rocker J. Geils.

    For some reason, I find that incredibly cool.

    Maybe the whole purpose of these new mod chips is so drivers can make back-up copies of their cars in case they crash.

    Sorry, I'll leave now.

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    1. Re:That bowling ball! It's my wife by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also, it proves that more than his memory has just been sold.

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    2. Re:That bowling ball! It's my wife by ScottGant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember some time back that J. Geils actually left music because he was having a more lucrative career fixing Ferraris. Maybe not more lucrative, but certainly more fun for J. Geils himself.

      He started out just fixing his own...then friends of his with Ferraris would ask him to tinker with theirs...one thing lead to another.

      At least this is what I remember from memory. I think it's cool also.

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    3. Re:That bowling ball! It's my wife by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Interesting
      > He started out just fixing his own...then friends of his with Ferraris would ask him to tinker with theirs...one thing lead to another.

      Ironic. My first "electronics" project as a child was abusing my dad's 4-track reel-to-reel tape recorder by opening it up twisting the belt around to force it to run backwards. I recorded the "strange foreign language" in J. Geils' No Anchovies Please, unhacked the tape recorder, and played the message backwards to discover the shocking secret:

      "It doesn't take a genuis to tell the difference between chicken shit and chicken salad."

      I've waited most of my life to use that line in context. I am complete! w00t!

  2. Stupid question by maan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what do you do when you want "normal" cruise control?

    1. Re:Stupid question by Kyaphas · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article is a bit misleading. You don't use just the cruise control button alone, it's a sequence of presses to activate it.

      Check it out at http://www.goapr.com

      And watch that knee-jerk. ;-)

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    2. Re:Stupid question by HungWeiLo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Take the stick shift and:

      up, up, down, down, left, right, left right, left turn signal, right turn signal, brake, gas

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    3. Re:Stupid question by dknj · · Score: 2, Informative

      And what do you do when you want "normal" cruise control?

      You press the button. I have an APR chip in my car, and all you have to do is hold the cruise control button until the check engine light flashes. After you have the mode set, light goes off and the new software takes control. I like it since I don't have to put the extra stress my turbo when I don't need it.

      -dk

    4. Re:Stupid question by Johannes · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have to hold down one of the buttons for about 5 seconds before it recognizes the command. It also only recognizes the command when the engine is not running (atleast I think they changed that now).

      I have one of the APR chips for my Audi and use it regularly.

      In my case, I have 4 different programs for my ECU. Holding down one of the buttons on my cruise control stalk for 5 seconds, the check engine light starts flashing (yes, poor choice of lights, but it's one of the few the ECU has direct control over) once per second, then after another 5 seconds it flashes twice per second and so on up to 4 times a second. You release the button when the light is flashing the number of times a second that corresponds with the program you want to use.

      You could actually do this while the car was running too, but it was very much discouraged (imagine going from full boost on the race program, to nothing on the valet program instantly). I think the latest versions lock out the functionality when the engine is running.

      So, to answer your question, normal crise control functionality is not affected.

    5. Re:Stupid question by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Informative

      A chip adjusts the sensitivity of the wastegate (which is electronically adjustable, yes, it's apparently a solenoid), as well as controlling the fuel-air mixture. It also increases the rev limit, not that it matters since you'll never hit it (the shift point is in the late 5000s for the 1.8T). Here's some info from a Volvo turbo page...though the effect on VW/Audi cars is a bit more spectacular (due to heavily overengineered and underspeced engines...if only the steering and stabilization systems were so trustworthy!).

      The overengineered specs for the 1.8T mean HUGE boosts in engine performance can be had relatively simply. Generally, a chip in a normally aspirated car means at most 10 hp. In a turbo, it can be fairly extreme...with the Audi V6 2.7 biturbo seeing a boost of 65+ hp without adding new turbos or exhausts! VW noticed this overengineering as well (if they didn't do it on purpose) -- notice with the 1.8T that the same engine that was stock 150 hp in 1997 is now stock at 170 hp. They say it's due to DBW, but I say it's due to a better boost program.

      Either way, you'd be nuts to buy the crummy 2.8 V6, which actually puts out LESS power after a boost mod than the 1.8T. And it's heavier. And it's $1800 more expensive. But I guess you get more torque under 2k, meaning you don't sound like you're gunning it all the time.

      The chip is particular to the engine, but this usually amounts to being particular to model as well, because though Volkswagen uses the same basic engine, the 1.8T, on 4 models, each has a different exhaust and intake system and thus has different allowances for safe boosting.

      A quick primer in speed: your engine has three main systems: air intake, combustion, and exhaust. Your car can only be as fast as the weakest of these three. Chipping takes advantage of down-speccing that goes on with the intake and the engine to reduce warranty requests -- the exhaust, at least on modern german autos, is usually good enough for up to 230-250hp. Chipping is a much more effective AND cost effective means of gaining speed out of a stock automobile than slapping on a big exhaust system or a body kit. It's why my Passat has been known to smoke Integras and Mustangs (though, to be honest, that's more likely a combination of good reflexes and shitty driving on the Ford's part).

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  3. My car... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... doesn't use chips you insensitive clod! (actually, it can run without any fuses installed as well...)

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    1. Re:My car... by Archwyrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mine too. Minus a few fuses. Pontiac 1970 GTO >=D

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  4. "Chips" by swordboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    They aren't really chips anymore. The "firmware" can be revised but this is getting more and more complex. Short of reverse engineering the electrical system and creating a replacement ECU, it may not be possible to do this in the near future.

    There's actually a large market for programmable PnP ECUs out there.

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    1. Re:"Chips" by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would be especially true if we end up with one of those Volvo's with no hood.

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    2. Re:"Chips" by Gumph · · Score: 2, Funny

      They aren't really chips anymore.

      what?? no more Erik Estrada and Larry Wilcox??!
      What is the world coming to????

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    3. Re:"Chips" by pll178 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hondata (http://www.hondata.com) has been doing this for years on Hondas/Acuras. Ever since Honda started using flashable ECUs in the most recent generation of cars, reprogramming Honda ECUs is a piece of cake. Just connect an OBDII cable to your programmer, press a button and your ECU is reflashed. One caveat is that Hondata spent a year or two decoding the fuel map codes. Unfortunately, they have to decode each model's ECU, but from what I understand, they are fairly similar (plus they have years of experience in hacking ECUs).

  5. News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We've been doing this for years. What's so special about custom chips? They've existed since cars come with electronic engine control systems.

    1. Re:News? by q-the-impaler · · Score: 2, Informative

      Over the past 30 years, the chips have become more powerful and have extended their control to more and more vehicle systems.

      The point of this article is to show that they have gotten better at it and they hope that we will sink our money into it.

      Not all chips deliver what they claim. I knew someone who had a JET chip installed in his Toyota Tundra. He had to send the whole ECU in and wait for it to be returned. It's not a simple switch of chips, but a total reprogramming of the ECU. And to boot, he hardly noticed any difference. It just tended to smoke more in the morning. My advice would be to deeply resaerch chipping your car before you do it. It's not as easy uprgrading a PC.

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  6. Re:Car chippers by coug_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having owned a car with this capability in the past, I can provide some insight. The chip supplier installs 2 or more "programs" that you can switch between (stock, chipped, valet, and race gas are some of the more common programs). To switch between programs you hold down your cruise control and after a few second a light will flash on your dash X number of times letting you know which program you're switching to.

    In short, your cruise control works just fine with the switchable programs.

  7. Mod chips by ThetaKestrel · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the RIAA gets its way, it may actually become necessary to get your car mod chipped to play bootleg CDs :D

  8. Beware Emissions Inspection by terraformer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    One nice hack: a car chipped-up for the race track can be set back to factory specs for the street simply by pushing the cruise control button.

    That "nice hack" is more than just a cute little feature, it is required to pass your emissions inspection if you happen to live in places like the NE and the west coast. This is not to be confused with the saftey inspection that most states do, wlthough the emissions inspection almost always occurs at the same time.

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    1. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by macrom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's also required if you take your car in for warranty work. My neighbor has been looking at chips for his VW 20th AE GTI, many of which can be reprogrammed with the light switch, turn indicator arm, etc. Around here most of the guys who install stuff like that on the weekends work at the VW dealership, so they'll know your car when you bring it in, but on the off chance you get a strict tech working on your car, he's not gonna like the fact you changed the engine timings and ran 104 octane racing gas through your pipes. Switching the settings back to normal and keeping everything somewhat secretive can keep the dealership from using that reason to avoid warranty work on your vehicle.

      Not to mention that most of the higher performance settings can get expensive since racing gas down here in Texas can run $4-5/gallon. It may be more now that gas prices are starting to climb!

    2. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by Numeric · · Score: 3, Informative

      i have a chipped car (98 saab 900) and can pass inspection with it chipped with no problem. i live in PA where emissions are checked.

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    3. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by tankdilla · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'd like a chip mod that changes my car from factory specs to pimp mode. Something along the lines of an Autobot transforming.

      Seriously, has anyone seen that new show on MTV? I'd like to see whose pimped ride isn't stolen after a year.

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    4. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by medscaper · · Score: 2, Informative
      can get expensive since racing gas down here in Texas can run $4-5/gallon. It may be more now that gas prices are starting to climb!

      Well, do what we do around here when fuel gets ridiculously expensive - go to a small local airport and fill up with AvGas. High octane, cool grounding strap whilst you fill, and you get to peel out on the tarmac on the way out if it's not too busy. And it's only a couple of bucks a gallon. You'll have to get permission at the flight control center before you just drive out there, but they usually get a kick out of it, and though it runs your engine awfully hot, it's fun once in awhile...

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    5. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by Dielectric · · Score: 2, Informative

      It all depends on how good the chip is. Strictly speaking, a good tune should put no more badness into the air than a factory ECU, once things warm up. Before the whole car is up to operating temp, you'll probably be spewing unburnt hydrocarbons out the tailpipe. Most tests are done hot anyway.

      Catalytic converter removal is where you get in trouble. CA will flat out fail you on the visual inspection.

    6. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by Mal-2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If for some reason you don't have to get an actual emissions test, yet are required to have a catalytic converter, there's quite a simple answer -- install an empty one. Nobody is going to be able to tell visually from the outside if there's actually any platinum inside the chamber, and since the cat is wider than the main exhaust, you could easily just run a tube straight through so that the pseudo-cat has no impact whatsoever on the exhaust system.

      I'm not advocating this of course. If you're required to have a catalytic converter in your area, there's probably a good reason why. Most of us like being able to breathe (relatively) hydrocarbon-free air.

      Mal-2

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    7. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point of state emissions inspections is to check if your car is running cleanly EVERY DAY, not the one day of the year that you take it in for inspection.

      If you're running your car with different settings on testing day than on the other 364 days of the year, you're cheating -- and it's the environment, and all the rest of us that DO behave honestly, that suffer.

      Like your Driver's Ed teacher always said, operating a motor vehicle is not a RIGHT, it's a PRIVILEGE. Treat it like one. Respect your car, respect your fellow motorists, and respect the laws that govern what's allowed on public streets.

    8. Re:Beware Emissions Inspection by pixel.jonah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most "chips" these days still pass emissions tests - the only issue is if you remove your pre-cats - but then it's only a problem when the car is still cold - once things warm up, you're still ok. So, maybe a bit more pollution every time you start your car, but then quit smoking or something to compensate. ;)

  9. So, how long before by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How long before we can wi-fi-cluster cars, and let the network arrange speed and routing through congested urban areas?

    I want the future now!

    1. Re:So, how long before by B1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They wouldn't be traffic jams anymore.

      They'd be rolling Beowulf clusters.

      /karma to burn

  10. no no no! by maxbang · · Score: 2, Funny

    Han: That chip goes there and that chip goes there!

    Chewie: *Bwaaaaarrraaugh* (translation: Stuff it, honky.)

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  11. Expensive boondoggle. by Hanzie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to the article, mod chip have two categories:

    Normally aspirated: Add a small bit of horsepower (normally less than you can feel in a double blind test) and lose significant mielage.

    Turbocharged: turn up the boost, wear out the engine in a hurry.

    What the article doesn't point out is that over-boosting your engine will cause it to wear out in a hurry. The engines in today's cars are built to handle a specific amount of power, and when the power is increased the wear on components is exponentially increased.

    For those curious, our head engineer tells me that there is a cubic relation between engine RPM's and stress. Stress causes wear, and that's not a linear only relationship either.

    When stress exceeds a certain value, BANG + expensive crunching noises happen.

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    Back in the good old days, re-chipping your ride could actually help (though not always). However, as the engineers learned more and more, the cars got better and better. Also bear in mind, performance is very important nowadays. The factory is getting all the performance it can out of tuning cars, while keeping mielage and wear in check. Also remember that these engines were designed for performance from word one.

    The only reason to start reprogramming the engine controls is when significant hardware changes have been made.

    As to the "Premium Fuel" thing, I'm doubtful, since all engines i've ever worked with use knock sensors, and are always running at the ragged edge of detonation anyway. There's quite a bit more involved than just fuel octane. Different formulations of fuel from different gas companies burn differently (gas is actually about ~40 or so chemicals in a cocktail). Altitude, engine temperature, air temperature, humidity, air filter cleanliness, RPM, engine load, and spark plugs all play important roles in detonation.
    Consequently, the chips are continually adjusting for all that. Supposed octane levels are just one more factor. Granted, some cars, like the Acrua NSX :) demand 91 octane anyway, but that's due to engine compression issues. You don't need a chip to take advantage of premium fuel, just a good OEM computer.

    Like our head engineers always says: It takes a lot of work to outsmart factory engineers. And several million dollars.

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    1. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by Unnngh! · · Score: 3, Interesting
      That's not true at all. Many cars are built to handle way more HP than they come with from the factory. Why? Emissions.

      You can get an extra 30-35 HP out of the Evo 8 right off the lot with a reprogramming of the ECU. Many performance cars are the same way though this is an extreme example.

      My WRX has 3, count 'em, 3 catalytic converters. These are not needed, either. Many of the overseas versions come stock with one cat only. But if I take them off, I may be putting them right back on next time I have to get an emissions test.

    2. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by mhifoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought that Japanese sports cars were falsely restricted because of their export regulations?

      A friend of my Grandfather has a Skyline which can be chipped for an extra 100hp. This is because they are intentionally derated to allow them to be exported.

    3. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by Dielectric · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, have you actually looked at reflashing in this millenium?

      The tuners are getting very adept at reclaiming the extra power that the factory left out due to emissions and fuel quality problems. They spend days reverse engineering ECUs and trying things out on the dyno. It's very complex, but the rewards are numerous.

      I have a Subaru WRX with a remapped ECU. With no other mods, I get 30 extra WHP from this. I do have to run 93 octane, but I did anyway because 89 is pure, unadulterated turpentine. The WRX is turbocharged, but interestingly enough they only increased the boost pressure by about 1PSI (from 15.1PSI max). Everything else comes from the timing and environmental correction maps. I also get slightly better gas mileage, as long as I'm not running wide open all the time.

      When an engine detects knock, it will retard the ignition timing, which decreases your power output. By running better fuel and reflashing the ECU to take advantage of it, you can run hotter timing and get around in a hurry.

      The Audi A4 1.8T is in a similar situation, where a chipped car will be significantly faster than it was from the factory, with no real decrease in engine life or reliability. The factories are leaving a lot on the table because they have to deal with a wide range of horrible fuels, awful drivers, and insurance companies.

      Note that both of these cars are meant to be fast. Reflashing a Taurus or Civic doesn't really do crap, because they were designed to be efficient and unexciting, so there isn't much left to do but add a lot of external modifications. There are also some cars that are tuned to the ragged edge, like the Nissan 350Z. No one has managed to get significant gains without major modifications, such as forced induction.

    4. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by Hanzie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can also get a VW beetle to run an 11 second quarter mile on a stock engine, but it won't last much longer than that 1/4 mile.

      Your point about the WRX (essentially a factory rally car) is that Subaru engineers decided to add two extra cats for the fun of it. I find that doubtful. Subaru won't be adding platinum plated mufflers just for ballast.

      As to 35 HP in the Evo, aren't they turbo'd? That's a matter of trading engine life for power. An extreme example of this is in the more expensive classes of racing, where the life of the 1500 hp. engines is less than one mile.

      Meanwhile, to argue that the Evo doesn't have all the power the engineers could reasonably get out is flawed. The Evo even has lightweight body panels for extra speed. If you're getting extra power, your greatly shortening your engine's useful life. That car was built for speed and little else.

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    5. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by Hanzie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, we tuned an aluminum Ford 427 side oiler with multi-port fuel injection. It has 623 horsepower at sea level, but we're in the mountains. Since the ECU maps are all for sea level, it took several days of driving fast on mountain roads to get the map sorted out for high altitude.

      I really like my job.

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    6. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by owlicks58 · · Score: 2, Funny

      30 wheel horsepower from chipping... haaah.

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    7. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by Dielectric · · Score: 4, Informative

      False. The EVO has an extremely strong engine that can take insane boost pressures. It has a cast iron block and has been developed for many years now. 35HP is not unreasonable, and won't significantly reduce the car's life expectancy. You'd be far more likely to wrap it around a tree than blow the engine.

      Those two extra cats in our WRX-es are not needed, once the engine warms up. The first cat in the pipe up to the turbo charger is just there for cold start, as is the second cat. The sucky thing is that once it warms up and they aren't needed, they still present a parasitic loss in the exhaust that hinders performance in a big way.

      A VW beetle would run 11s with a JATO booster, maybe. Be reasonable here.

    8. Re:Expensive boondoggle. by Dielectric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heh, that's why I'm starting to like forced induction. It's a little less susceptable to altitude changes.

      Either way, that's a cool job.

  12. Self Tuner by Fortress · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm waiting for one that puts a usb port on it so I can connect the laptop and make alterations on the fly. How about having a bunch of different settings saved so that I can switch between them easily?

    If you're a hardcore racer, you could have optimised settings for different humidity/temperature conditions, switchable at the touch of a key. Maybe save a set of baseline settings for each race locale and modify for the conditions on race day.

    We could be about to regain the tuning freedom that went away when cars switched from carburetors to fuel injection. Everyone can benefit from this, even if you don't race. Most cars today are comprimised for green emissions, even if you live somewhere without smog tests. With a little retuning, you can have more power AND better fuel economy. (Ohh, look out for flames from the green set ;-)

    1. Re:Self Tuner by klui · · Score: 2, Informative

      Watch out. Self tuning is not for everyone. Haven't followed this area in a couple of years, but back then, MoTech was the high-end system to get. You can do all the self tuning you want but if you don't know what you're doing, get ready to kiss your engine goodbye. Too much air and not enough fuel? Say "hello" to detonation--fatal for a rotary. Tuning just the ECU is just a part of the equation. Your air and fuel subsystems must be able to supply what maps dictate.

    2. Re:Self Tuner by Narbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This has already been done by at least a dozen companies. Motec, Pectel, Hondata, DTA, TEC and a whole lot more. You can control everything in realtime and the higher end systems will also allow you to do much more esoteric things like traction control, launch control, turbo anti-lag schemes and others. The trouble with full programmable engine menagement is that it does not suffer the incompetent. There are LOTS and LOTS of parameters which depend on eachother, the entire system operates in realtime and you had better KNOW what you are doing and how they interact with eachother before you start fooling around with stuff. Getting it wrong can have catastrophic consequences; a simple mistake like not supplying enough fuel or adding too much ignition can and WILL cost your engine. So in short if you have the knowledge and the tools (wideband O2, lots of guages like EGT, fuel pressure etc etc) programmable engine management is the best thing since sliced bread. I have a Pectel T2 in my Focus and its great stuff to be in full control. Just read up and UNDERSTAND what you are doing before going down that road. Just like you wouldent run your Athlon with no heatsink you dont want to be putting 40 degrees of timing advance at 20psi of boost!

  13. My car needs to be rebooted by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seriously. It's flashing "Overspeed warning off" at me. But some days it says "Warning engine overheating" just as the car starts on a cold day. Or, "Immobilizer!!" when I try to start it. Then it occasionally acts normal, but switches the display from km/l to km-left-to-pump to average driving speed, randomly.

    Perhaps it's because it's a French car and takes itself too seriously.

    Anyhow, I'm now going to look for someone who can rechip it and give it a new personality, something a little less brie and baguette, more Yvette Lopez, "where d'ya wanna go today?"

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  14. ... more than meets the eye ... by AppleTRON · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... so, it's not long before I have a taxi cab that turns into a giant robot with the voice of Casey Kasem at the touch of a button? I have been waiting for this day for so long.

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  15. When NOT to hack by Ubergrendle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll hack something right up until the point where my personal body is in jeopardy.

    Medical instruments? Factory spec is good enough for me. Microwave? I like to keep the RADs down. Cars? I like arriving in one piece.

    I can understand this as a hobby, but why mod your day-to-day car so heavily? You probably break several laws in doing so, you definitely invalidate your car lease or warranty, and you probably invalidate your insurance as well. Besides, how confident are you that you'd never screw up?

    I'll take the bus thank you.

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    1. Re:When NOT to hack by Dmala · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can understand this as a hobby, but why mod your day-to-day car so heavily?

      Basically, it comes down to: If you have to ask, you'll never understand.

      You probably break several laws in doing so, you definitely invalidate your car lease or warranty, and you probably invalidate your insurance as well.

      For the most part, modding your car is perfectly legal, as long as you use a little common sense. As long as you can meet the safety, noise, and emissions standards, you can pretty much do what you want.

      Modding a leased car is unwise, unless you plan to buy the car at the end of the lease. (Actually, leasing a car is pretty unwise in the first place, but that's another discussion.)

      Warranty issues are more of a grey area. Supposedly, a warranty company must prove that a modification caused the problem before the can reject a claim, but I suspect you'd have a hell of a fight if the warranty company really wants to dig in. A serious modder is most likely savvy enough to make his own repairs, and doesn't have much need for a warranty. I'm sure this is more of a problem, however, now that modding is getting more mainstream and popular.

      I'm not aware of anything in auto insurance policies about modifying a car, except they will only cover original equipment unless you get a rider for aftermarket add-ons. I'm sure if they felt it was a problem, insurance companies would start checking up and cracking down on modders.

      Besides, how confident are you that you'd never screw up?

      Modding anything holds the same risk. Screw up overclocking your Athlon, and you could fry the chip. You just use common sense, understand the risks of what you're doing, and don't run home crying if something goes boom.

  16. Disappointing by kahei · · Score: 5, Funny


    I thought a 'car chipper' would be something like a wood chipper, only *much* more ferocious.

    Ah well.

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  17. That's nothing... by Dishwasha · · Score: 5, Funny

    My mechanic hacked my car so the left blinker blinks faster than the right. He also put in that hanging wire below the dashboard hack.

  18. Drag Racing by FutureShoks · · Score: 3, Informative
    I doubt that you will find a single car at a dragstrip, either production based, "doorslammer" or a full rail which isn't controlled and tuned with a laptop in the pits nowadays.

    Take Andy Robinson's doorslammer Stude for example.

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  19. Most chips are scams by vasqzr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Marketing, false claims, hype...

    Some cars react very well to them. Many cars don't.

    And if you get the wrong programming, you can ruin your car.

    When they claim 50hp you might only get 15. YMMV. Literally.

  20. DSM by Enigma_Man · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm currently involved in writing assembly for my car's ECU. It's a 92 DSM Turbo AWD. The difficult thing is it's a proprietary OEM variant of a Motorola HC11, with lots of unknown opcodes, but there's a good movement to try and figure them all out. Right now, I've written a stutterbox, and other people have figured out where all of the timing, and fuel maps are, and where the variables for injector sizes are. It's pretty great. Writing assembly is fun, and ha>0ring my car is even more fun :) -Jesse

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  21. Re:Michigan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee, I wonder why Michigan doesn't have inspections =]

  22. obd-2.com by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 3, Informative

    www.obd-2.com

    The best 120$ I ever spent.
    I can now see everything happening in my car in real time, and if I get the right program and know what the hell I'm doing, I can reprogram it aswell.

  23. lame article by syle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But car buffs want more horsepower and better mileage.
    No, they want more horsepower. Mileage is a distant 2nd or 3rd concern. When that Civic owner throws a prefab Greddy kit onto his B18, does he care that his mileage just went from 28 to 17 mpg? Not in the least.
    "Normally-aspirated" cars like the Corvette
    You mean naturally aspirated? Maybe this is a regional thing, but I've never heard of N/A meaning "normally."
    Pontiac Vibe, a small car that's popular with street racers. Films like "2 Fast 2 Furious" have inspired young auto enthusiasts to buy cheap "tuner cars" like the Vibe, and muscle them up.
    Someone with a Vibe came into one of our local shops this weekend looking for aftermarket parts. There wasn't a single aftermarket part for it from any of their distributors. You have to go out of your way just to find intake/exhaust for those things. If they're going to use the example of a 2fast2furious car, maybe pick one people actually mod?
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  24. Why a chip ??? by THESuperShawn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't those Japanese letter stickers work better and cost much less? Then there is always the 5 cent 'resistor mod' that everyone and their brother sells on eBay for 20 bucks......

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    1. Re:Why a chip ??? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Interesting

      his sounds like it might actually work if you could get enough amps out of your electrical system to run the leaf blower. Are there reasons why this wouldn't work? None, really. The problem is getting enough amps out of a 12V electrical system. 1hp = 64A at 100% efficiency, and a supercharger takes at least 5-10hp to run. Factor in losses, and you'll need one mean mother of an alternator. Maybe when makers move to 36/42V electrical systems ... Even then, 10HP at 80% efficiency will require around 260A.
      -b.

  25. Windows BMW by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny
    While doing 60 MPH

    Windows Mobile has detected unidentified hardware, and is unable to find a driver for it.

    Restarting...

  26. The similarities escape some.... by Darth_brooks · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then there's the warranty issue. Reprogramming a car doesn't void the warranty -- unless it can be shown that a later breakdown was caused by the new software. Ford Motor Co. spokesman Glenn Ray says one buyer of a new 2003 Ford Cobra learned this the hard way. The Cobra is about as powerful a car as Ford makes, but not powerful enough for this customer. "He put a chip in it," said Ray, "and blew up the motor." The owner had over-revved the engine--something the original software would have prevented.

    Somewhere right now, a Slashdot reader is saying to himself "What a dumbass."

    And somewhere a Cobra owner is reading about an overclocker who cooked his Athlon and is saying to himself "What a dumbass."

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  27. Obligatory Monkey Island quote by skurk · · Score: 2, Funny

    So how many chicks would a wood chipper chip if a wood chipper could chip chicks?

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  28. Just got this for my WRX! by n3z0rf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very cool i bought a device from cobbtuning that gave me a an additional 30+ HP and gobs more torque. Best $555 i think that can be spent on a vehicle. It can also ge selected to even have ecomny for those long trips i think it's jsut a great idea!

    Link to the ddevice http://cobbtuning.com/wrx/accessport.html

  29. YMMV.... alot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not necessarily. I am posting as AC b/c I used all my mods pts trying to dispell some really bad myhs that are being posted to this thread.

    I have an 2001 Audi A4 1.8T with a GIAC ECU chip. The car passes emissions just fine, even with an aftermarket cat-back exhaust on it. The dealership just did warranty work on my car and replaced my camshaft tension adjuster. I have *NEVER* removed the chip from my car. The dealership has mentioned that they noticed it was in there and never gave me any problems (I have taken it to 2 different dealerships w/o issue).

    They have to prove that the damage is done directly from your modification, as the Magnuson-Moss Act states.

  30. An ad you won't see for this by JosKarith · · Score: 2, Funny

    To the tune of "Centerfold"

    The seals won't hold,
    My oil gauge is stuck on cold,
    This chip has cracked my manifold,
    This chip has cracked my manifold...

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  31. Retuning for maximum durability? by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it possible to retune for maximum durability? I could give a shit how fast my car can go, but I really want it to last to 200,000 miles with minimal problems.

    It's a Honda Accord V6, so I'm guessing it already is tuned that way, and that manufacturers probably favor durability over high performance anyway.

    1. Re:Retuning for maximum durability? by Dielectric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That car should last 200k with no problems, provided you keep up on maintenance. Use Mobil 1 synthetic, and a drain interval of 6-9000 miles. Keep the air filter clean and free. Make sure you replace your timing belt when scheduled; if that goes, so does your engine.

      It's already tuned for maximum mileage and reliability. You just have to keep up your end of the bargain.

  32. bad info in that article - we use ls1edit, efilive by Ken+Williams · · Score: 4, Informative

    that was a crap article that was poorly researched. the pros use ls1edit and efilive for tuning corvettes. hptuners just came out with similar products too. and if you are building a high HP race corvette, you piggyback the whole system with a FAST or DFI system for engine management.

    i'm using ls1edit and efilive to tune my 580 HP blown c5 corvette.
    http://www.kcpimp.com/cars/c5.html
    htt p://www.kcpimp.com/gallery/c5
    http://www.kcpimp.c om/gallery/dyno

    links:
    ls1edit: http://www.carputing.com/
    EFILive: http://www.efilive.com/
    FAST: http://www.fuelairspark.com/
    DFI: http://go.mrgasket.com/
    hptuners: www.hptuners.com

    Regards,
    kw

    p.s. and only an idiot would pay $17k to replace a blown 03 cobra motor. you can get short blocks all day for well under $5k.

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  33. Not as bad as it really seems by SharkPork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    chipping a car is really not that crazy or extreme. Most cars come from the factory with "stupid-proof" setups, i.e., they run very very rich so you can't induce detonation and blow your engine easily, and they engineer in lots of understeer for safety reasons since 90% of the people on the road aren't what you'd exactly call performance oriented drivers.

    chipping a car mostly involves re-doing the fuel injector maps and spark timing control for certain rpm ranges to increase torque and horsepower. This has the added benefit of also increasing fuel mileage in many cases, since it's set to be very rich from the factory. When you lean it out a little, you use less fuel, get more power, and have fun in the process.

    Most factory turbo cars that I know of don't really use electronic boost control mechanisms, they actually use wastegates and compressor bypass valves to maintain boost in a mechanical/pneumatic fashion. Electronic boost controllers are pretty expensive, anyway.

    but just reprogramming the existing chip in a car is nowhere near as good as installing a complete standalone Engine Management System. With an EMS like a Haltech (produced in AU, btw), for example, you can actually adjust fuel, timing, boost, etc literally on the fly, unlike a reprogrammed ODBII type computer found in most cars. This allows you to fine-tune your car for maximum efficiency or power, or whatever you're looking for. (power, of course, duh!)

    You'd be really suprised how over-engineered a lot of cars are, and what they can take. Hmm.. sorta like overclocking a processor, really. If you take the proper precautions with each (better cooling, faster ram, good power supply, for the computer, or higher-octane fuel, good lubricants, and regular maintenance for the car)

    So before we get our panties in a bundle and start completely ranting on the car tuner demographic (but it wouldn't really be slashdot without it) just keep in mind that it's the same sort of compulsion for car tuners as it is for overclockers, or mod-chippers, or kernel-hackers...

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    1. Re:Not as bad as it really seems by djeaux · · Score: 2, Insightful
      chipping a car is really not that crazy or extreme.

      Nope. But it's like overclocking without attending to CPU cooling.

      I'm going to show my age, but "back in the day," one didn't do serious cam or intake mods to a 2-bolt main small block Chevy. One sought out the tougher 4-bolt main blocks.

      Same applies to a Civic or Eclipse. You can get them to pump out horsepower far beyond what their little crankshafts & main bearings were intended to support. Throw a nitrous bottle in the back & you're talking serious lack of reliability.

      Heck, for optimum performance, you still have to get greasy, modify the cooling system, change cams, install close ratio gearing, etc. It ain't all "pull the chip" & bolt-on a K&N intake.

      Serious hot-rod mods are not compatible with reliability or longevity, especially if the mods aren't supported by yet other mods. High school parking lots are littered with proof of this.

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  34. how these work ... by sir_cello · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's increasing complex business - I know someone that works in it - simply "rechipping" doesn't work in modern and complex engines.

    The new devices effectively clamp around your Engine Control Unit (ECU) by intercepting it's inputs and outputs: the box modulates the signals coming to and from the real ECU: for example, the ECU will usually consider it an engine fault if (say) emission is too high, so the purpose of the device is to (a) alter the fuel mix ratio output on the one hand, but (b) fool the input back into the ECU that the emissions aren't as high as they really are. There are many variables, the ones I've seen take up to (say) 16 different variables that can be manipulated.

    I'm told that the devices need to be tuned for the specific model of car, and preferably, the specific car itself: as individual cars each have different variances and tolerances within the scope of the model itself; and the tuning software isn't released to the public (even though it may escape ...) on the principle that the makers of these devices don't want people to buy the device then try to home tune it and blow their engine up. The tuning is done inside a workshop with appropriate monitoring tools (e.g. analysers), so they can trim the tables in the software, and observe the outputs on the tools to ensure that the best results are obtained without going too far as to break the engine. Naturally, there are some people who do have their own tools and workshops and are competent do this themselves, but a lot of these modders don't.

    This definitely voids your warranty, not to mention probably breaking environmental and other regulations, if you do it to street machines. That doesn't stop some people though. (there's a good analogy here to the issue over releasing drivers for 802.11g chips: because the software in the driver is part of the overall FCC emissions approval, so altering the software potentially voids the approval of the device -- similar concept here in that manipulating your ECU voids the grounds upon which various approvals were made)

    However, it also has more legitimate applicability to track machines (based on stock cars) where it's not an infringement of the regulations because these are on private raceways and with specific exclusions and so on (and, these cars are usually modded beyond the limits of the warranty in the first place).

    The manufacturers are getting wiser and building in measures to defeat the devices, but it seems to make these guys money, and in the same way that you can often safely overclock your CPU, you can often do it to your engine: just need to be aware that (a) it depends on the specific car itself, (b) it doesn't always work, (c) when you do it, you're taking a lot of risk as by definition you may be working outside of the engineering tolerances/limits of the engine [unless the engineering is there, but commerical and marketing considerations limited its scope].

  35. Re:Car chippers by ryane67 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am a current owner of this "switchable" software and can verify that the cruise control works just fine with it. As for the horsepower gains, with a turbocharged car it is very significant. I go from 12psi to 20psi of boost when I switch from stock mode to the 93 octane mode. To comment on the engine wear babble, there are plenty of cars with my motor, running with my exact software that are lasting longer than their stock counterparts. It all depends on how well the motor is built to begin with.

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  36. Dealer Authorized Bliss by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm lucky enough to drive a BMW M3. My local dealership is also the only regional Dinan (aftermarket mods) authorized dealer/installer.

    I've had them add some choice goodies, with no effect on my warranty. Dinan also warrantees their mods specifically. No problems yet. The "Ludicrous Speed" button is my favorite. For some reason, my wife still calls it the "accelerator".

  37. Hacked 2004 Prius by HTMLSpinnr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've "hacked" my 2004 Prius so to speak to include the EV Button which comes stock on the Japaneese and some European versions of the car. The American version not only doesn't have the button, but doesn't even have the wiring harness present to do this. Someone was able to figure out which pin on the engine computer triggers this function, and we took it from there. While some of us used the factory button imported from Japan, others have wired it using Radio Shack parts, or into the headlight flasher or the cruise control button as well for a more stealthy appearance.

    This purpose of this buttion button is to allow the driver to force the car into electric-only mode for short distances at speeds under 55km/hr (34mph). This is great for sneaking home at night in close quarters, saving gas till you back out of the driveway, or for sneaking up on the old ladies in mall parking lots before laying on the horn.

    If you could plug the car in, you'd even have a short range EV car. Now if only they had a button to improve gas mileage while making it do 0-60 in 4 seconds.

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  38. Why not? by QuasiEvil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I tinker with my car all the time. Back when I had an ECU I even understood (had the firmware source, complete with symbols and comments, don't ask how...), I actually tinkered quite a bit more. Blow up the motor? Oops. Not like I haven't done that before, and there goes a Saturday down the drain changing it out. I usually have a spare engine or two sitting around, or if not I know where the junk yards are or I know how to rebuild or repair them (if possible, depends on the failure mode).

    Car Lease? Warranty? What are these? I buy cars for cash (usually used, or occasionally built from 2-3 salvages) and drive the suckers into the ground, then repeat. My Blazer died at 190,000 miles (original engine, third tranny), my del Sol is still good at 160k and should live to well over 200k, and my Yukon is at 110k and is only three years old (only vehicle I've ever bought new). Yes, I drive a lot. Greatest feeling in the world to me - open road, open windows (or open top), radio cranked up, going places just to see what's over the next hill.

    Also, how exactly do I invalidate my insurance? I don't carry coverage for repair on any of these, except the Yukon, and that's only because it's new enough to be worth fixing. The rest, after any wreck my insurance would have to pay to fix, I'd either cut up for scrap or fix them myself anyway. If it's the other guy's insurance, obviously I'm going to make them fix it (or just take the money and scrap the car). It's not like I'm stupid enough to ask the insurance people to fix something mechanically that's my fault through stupidity.

    Chips are just a new piece of everything that's been done for years - overboring cylinders, performance cams, high flow exhausts, aftermarket blowers, etc. That said, though, chips on normally aspirated cars are usually a waste of time these days. Don't bother - work on the other upgrades instead.

    Guess it all comes down to if you know what the hell you're doing, go for it. If you don't, don't be a wannabe wanker that complains when it doesn't go right.

  39. MINI One Tuning by Owen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a MINI Dealer, and chipping a MINI will lift the little 1.6 litre petrol engine from 90Bhp to 130Bhp for about 500. We honour the warranty for it. It's quite safe indeed, and it's only downgraded at the factory so they can sell the more expensive model/meet emissions laws.

    Owen.

  40. Actually, I'd like replacement harnesses. by MickLinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quite simply, a while back I had an older car. It developed an electrical problem, and when I went in to get it fixed, they told me they'd have to start working through the whole electrical harness to find it. In the end, I decided to live with the problem.

    Now, these guys weren't great, I'm sure, but there is something fundamentally flawed with the current system of electrical harness. Ideally, the harness should be easy to maintain, not requiring you to rip out molding everywhere.

    So let's try some standards: First, let's have color coded wires. We need black for ground, pink for 5 V, red for 12 V, and Orange for anything higher. Negative voltages have a single black stripe along them. Positive are unstriped.

    Periodically, on the insulation wires, are resistor type markings that name the voltage.

    So that handles all the power. Next, there's data. Data doesn't travel in wires per se, so much as in shielded ribbon cable.

    Now, there's the switching. Get a simple chip like the 8051XA, program it to handle simple switching, pop on some Power Mosfets, and remanufacture the whole thing into a single thin, strong, electrically shielded box with a number of jacks for power and data. At about $20 per box, you could have 20 of them in and around the car.

    Now, data and power can route from any of them to any other, along the existing lines. Want to buy more? Fine. Hook it up to a few others, program your onboard computer to tell the others to recognize it, and you're in.

    Make it all easily user-programmable. You want to tie in some mega speakers into the back of your car? Fine. Hook them into the nearest switchbox, inform your car that they're there, and instantly you have Dolby BLAST(TM) Surround Sound. Or whatever.

    Suppose two wires short out? The nearest boxes figure it out, isolate the short, and inform you of the short, the location, and what needs to be replaced. You can then go in and fix it yourself, replacing either the wires, or the box.

    Anyhow, that's my basic idea.

    There'd be a wonderful market for these things as aftermarket items, too. If your current electrical system goes bad, it might be cheaper just to replace the whole harness, replace your radio with a onboard computer, insert a CD to program it to your used car, and go digital.

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  41. Overclocking your car? by p51d007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought all you had to do, was put one of those idiotic HUGE spoilers, a bunch of stickers, and one of those stupid coffee can mufflers on your car to make it go fast? LOL, some of the cars I see around here sound like a motorcycle under water. Kids today....they don't have a clue what a GOOD motor sounds like........Heck, my stock mustang can out run them. Here's what I do.....I get to a stop light when one of those rice-a-roni cars pulls up next to me...he guns his engine, I gun and brake torque my engine.....Light turns green, he floors it, I quietly make a right turn....lol....Like I'm going to race down a BUSY street anyway.....

    1. Re:Overclocking your car? by sindarin2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Though I disagree with your scorn to all of today's tuner scene (at least that's how I interpreted it), it is fun to harrass the heck out of 'em too. I especially like to make sure there is a cop sitting up ahead (pretty easy to do in a small town that has two large roads...speed limit 25...filled with teenagers on a Friday night), and pull up next to one of them....then make like I want to race. They race ahead and catch the attention of the cop...whirling blue and red...and I get a good laugh.

      Cheers

  42. Re:Suping Up Cars by djh101010 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can get an add on kit for a truck that connects up to the sensor inputs to the engine and has a console in the car. It allows you to adjust settings on the fly but telling the sensors certain things.

    Sorry, but no "button on the dashboard" is going to give you the sensitivity and responsiveness of an engine management computer which is adjusting boost, fuel, and spark timing on an indivudual, every time the engine fires, time frame.

    There is a device you can by for any modern car that connects up to the adapter onder the drivers side.


    Any time absolutes like "every" are tossed around, that's a clear sign that the issue is being oversimplified. Likewise, the adapter on my car is on the _passenger_ side, and it's probably using a different connector, data format, and programming language as compared to your car. There is no quick fix on this; the carmakers don't cripple their product by making it less powerful than it can reliably be. If they could get more power from a given engine so easily, they'd be doing it, to use smaller engines, to reduce weight. They're not, because there's not the ability to get "double the torque with a push of a button".

  43. High end car mechanic is a great job! by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Informative
    He started out just fixing his own...then friends of his with Ferraris would ask him to tinker with theirs...one thing lead to another.

    A high-end car mechanic with a right-sized client list and his own garage can make a great living.... $100k is achievable, more in areas where the service is more in demand. (California, warm weather states, etc...) People that buy these cars will pay a premium to have an expert who knows the car inside and out work on it. For them, it is a no-brainer--make a large cash investment last longer by maintaining it with an expert--Well worth the money when needed. I mean, what, are you going to take your Testarossa to Pep Boys? Those little pimple-pusses would probably crack it up trying to take off in 1st gear...
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  44. Real performance by RedShoeRider · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sorry, but I've gotta throw my 0.02 in here. Finally, a topic I know something about:

    Chipping a turbo car (most of the time) involves re-timing when the wastegate kicks in. A turbo will produce boost just about forever (so long as you can spin the blades faster and faster), so at some point, you dump so much pressure in the cylinder that you start to blow head gaskets and all sorts of other nasty stuff like that. The wastegate kicks in at some point, dumping off the extra pressure at a preset psi. By modding the gate's setpoint, you make more pressure, and therefore more power.

    True, some engines can take the extra boost just fine (cast iron blocks are very good for abuse. Aluminum....eeeh), some will blow sky-high the first time you try it. It's a calculated risk, just like OC'ing your processor. It IS harder on your engine, no doubt. So while it make take it, the damn thing might go 20 or 30k miles before it should have otherwise. Of course, if you are doing mods like this, you likely don't care about the 20 or 30k. As for naturally aspirated engines, you don't have wastegates to play with. Sure, you can fuck with throttle response curves and the like, but it's not nearly as effective.

    You want real power? Go get a bike. Figure this:

    An Aprilia Mille weighs about 400 pounds. Puts out 140 horses. That gives me a hp/weight ratio of about 2.8. Cost: about 18 grand.

    A Pontiac Vibe weights about 2800 pounds. Puts out 127 horses. That gives me a hp/weight ratio of about 22. Cost: about 18 grand.

    A Dodge Viper weights about 3400 pounds. Puts out 500 horses. That gives me a hp/weight ratio of about 6.8. Cost: about 80 grand.

    And you get more chicks with the bike, too.

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  45. Apten Performance Chips by bsd_usr · · Score: 2, Informative


    Here's a few urls for those interested (this is slashdot so I'll probably be flamed for being on topic):

    http://www.apten-us.com/ - Ford performance chips
    http://www.hypertech-inc.com/ - Dodge, Ford, GMC performance chips
    http://www.jetchip.com/ - Domestic and Import performance chips
    http://www.diablosport.com/main.php - Dodge, Ford, GMC performance chips

    I've heard that the Apten chips are really good and they're custom programmed for the the stuff that you have already done to your vehicle (Intake, heads, headers, exhaust, etc). I've heard that the Jet chips suck. Hypertech is a well known brand though.

  46. Car Virus! by scovetta · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is anyone else waiting for the first Car Virus? "I didn't think I was driving 95 miles/hr, my digital readout said I was doing 55!" or worse,
    NEWS FLASH:
    The HondaVirus/B will be striking at Midnight, June 4th, causing infected brake systems to lock up (or fail).

    How about when they start adding WiFi systems in the car systems? Then you drive-by-infect.

    Ok fine, I'm a few years early, but does anyone **really** trust car company software any more than Windows?

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  47. PCMforLess.com by theinfobox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My nephew runs a website that sells mods for GM cars. He has been quite succesful at it and got started by tuning his own car. The list of mods that he can do is amazing:

    Change the fan turn on temperatures for a 160 thermostat

    Program the transmission to perform similar to a shift kit (1994 and newer)

    Power program the car for use with premium octane gasoline

    Remove the top speed limiter

    Correct the speedometer and transmission for gear and tire changes

    Correct for the use of a larger throttle body.

    Change idle settings and restore drivability with cam installs

    Correct for larger injectors

    Correct for larger displacement (383, 396, etc....).

    Unfortunately, he only does GM cars and I own a Ford. Oh well... If you do own a GM car, check out his site... He may be able to help you and and you may be able to help him pay for college! :)

  48. Even before 'chips' by baine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My 1986 Saab turbo has a 'tweaked' boost controller in it to alter the boost profile. You simply twist a couple of pots in the APC (Automatic Pressure Control) computer to adjust base boost, peak allowed boost, and knock sensitivity (the APC system listens for knock, and retards boost in small increments until the knocking subsides), and presto! 20+ extra HP. My '92 Saab 9000 turbo has an actual digital computer in place of the old APC system, and I have chips in that one too. Now here's the real deal : I'm currently in the R&D phase of installing a P-III 1GHz EBX format all-in-one motherboard in the car's dash, complete with 7" touch screen lcd. Not only will it play DVDs, MP3s, have GPS with moving map and wifi, but using the board's PC/104 connector and a digital IO board, I plan on integrating it into the car's electronic controls. This particular car is at the right age where all of the components are digital, but they are not so tightly integrated (later Saabs use an actual proprietary data bus for the different embedded controllers to communicate), so this should be fairly successful.

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  49. Not the same thing. by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Informative

    The wastegate is not the same thing as a diverter/blowoff.. both exist at the same time.

    The wastegate serves to limit the boost pressure.. if pressure rises too high the wastegate vents excess pressure to atmosphere. By raising the release pressure on the wastegate, you allow the turbo to generate more boost. On some vehicles, this is electronically controllable, so in theory (and practice) the ECU can adjust the boost on the fly.

    A blowoff or diverter, serve to let air flow cleanly when the throttle is closed, so as not to create backpressure on the turbo... different thing entirely.