Mandrakelinux 10 Official Released

boklm writes "Two months after the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community release, the enhanced and polished 'Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official release' has been announced. Download ISOs are available today for Club members and packs are also avaible on MandrakeStore." As Shipud puts it, "USB2 support... vive 2.6.3 !!"

Comments

ISO

[110010001000]

I need Mandrake ISO's but I don't want to pay to be in the club. Where can I get some?

Re:ISO

[el-spectre]

Wait a couple of weeks and they'll be available to non-club folks.

Re:ISO

[tkittel]

> I have to wait for community written software in
> the form of an ISO because I am poor? Isn't that
> creating false scarcity? Information wants to be
> "free". Charge for support, not our software.

The "support" in this case is that mandrake took the time to put all the bits and pieces together.

And not to be rude, but please dont make it sound like having to wait a few weeks for a cutting edge distribution is a great injustice. You still get it for FREE, even though mandrake put millions into it.

Re:ISO

[el-spectre]

Information doesn't wanna be anthropomorphized... that fucking quote was lame when it was invented, and it's lame now.

And they are largely defraying distribution costs by doing it this way.

And they are doing more than just shipping community software. Mandrake adds a decent amount of customization to linux. Don't like it? then go do a Linux From Scratch install or something.

And they are not depriving you of anything, just saying wait a bit, or pay a price to cut in line.

Yes, Virginia, there are costs associated with the world, and No, "But I don't like that" isn't a valid reason to ignore those costs.

Re:ISO

[el-spectre]

It's OK because they need to cover their production costs and bandwidth.

There's no causation between slogans and logic, friend... ya need a better reason than that (or am I just troll feeding?)

Re:ISO

[Proud like a god]

Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community ISO images for i586 and higher

Not the Official edition I'm afraid.

Re:ISO

[tkittel]

But they are creating artifical scarcity by limiting the release of the ISO's to a few who paid money. They are depriving me of access to the information (ISO's) because I do not want to join the "club" and pay a fee.. How is this OK? Information wants to be free!

Newsflash: Information is not sentient and doesn't want anything. Repeating something ad nauseum doesn't make it true. Not even if RMS thinks so.

Despite the great efforts Mandrake takes to only ship GPL'ed software and providing the results of their hard labor for free, some people will always complain.

Let me ask you this: What did YOU contribute to the open source world (or free software, since you are parrotting RMS). And if you did contribute anything significant, where can I download it (using bandwidth that YOU paid for). And where can I go and bitch and complain if it doesn't live up to my ethical standards?

Re:ISO

[bcrowell]

As a developer with a package included with Mandrake, at first I felt a little uncomfortable with the idea that I myself had no easy way to download or look at their RPM of my software. (I run FreeBSD, and am not a Mandrake Club member.) But once I stopped and thought about it, it didn't seem like a problem. The GPL says my code is free as in speech, but it doesn't say it has to be free as in beer. The guy who did the packaging was very helpful and responsive on the one occasion when I got in touch with him. (They'd previously packaged a version of my software that I myself hadn't tested carefully enough, and that had a nasty bug.) They're actually doing a more careful job of packaging it and keeping up to date than some other third-party packagers. My attitude at this point is Viva Mandrake! -- Mandrake was the first Linux distro I actually succeeded in installing, and I think they play a valuable role for people who want an OS that Just Works.

Re:ISO

[dj245]

Want Mandrake Linux 10 Now? So do millions of other people. Join the club.

Re:ISO

[typobox43]

Join the club. I hope you realize the irony in that statement.

Damn Microsoft Ads!

[jmulvey]

I knew those damn Microsoft advertisements would crash Slashdot sooner or later!

Damn!

[McLoud]

But I don't ever terminated the beta version download! Damn 2GB download, now I need to restart it again :/

Re:Damn!

[wolrahnaes]

I'm on dialup and just finished 10.0 Community three days ago....I feel your pain man...

I think I'll wait for the retail version and show a little $upport for my favorite distro.

Pardon my ignorance,

[rdsmith4]

but what is the difference between Community and Official?

And did slashdot go offline in the past half hour? Doubtless someone has mentioned it already...

Re:Pardon my ignorance,

[uloveus]

yeah it was down

Re:Pardon my ignorance,

[Anders]

but what is the difference between Community and Official?

The Official version is basically the Community version plus a few months worth of updates. Thus, the Official version should have the major errors removed and be Very Stable.

Plus, the Official version is what you get if you want a boxed version.

Re:Pardon my ignorance,

[johncheng]

Mandrake recently created a new category for their release called Community. The Community version has been well teste, and is supposely "good enough", but not "good enough" for production use. While this Official version is well... "better".

The more I try to explain this the more confused I get. I think they should just differentiate their products like so:

Mandrake DANGER-MIGHT-BLOWUP-EVERYTHING
Mandrake IT-WORKS-ON-MY-MACHINE
Mandrake GOOD-ENOUGH-TO-AVOID-LAWSUITS

Re:Pardon my ignorance,

[Proud like a god]

You're talking about the Club. The Community distro release was to allow mass testing of a usually final RC quality build, so that an even better updated one could be released a few months later, aka Offical.

Re:Pardon my ignorance,

[imr]

right now, official = community + updates

in a little while, community unfreezes and gets back to be a testing version of the distribution. More stable than cooker, with less experimental stuff, but which could be less stable than the official, since bleeding edge stuff is tested there.

I also remember, that community will produce an official.1 some time in the future, an up to date official version with all updates and more bleeding edge stuff incorporated into it, yet stable, like the 9.2.1 isos that were released some time after the 9.2 release.

Pardon my French but

[JCCyC]

Will they offer delayed ISOs for the masses? Preinstalled Nvidia drivers, Flash etc. is a nice thing, and I can wait.

Re:Pardon my French but

[mpol]

The "ISOs for the masses" consist of only free software. The nvidia and ati drivers are on the commercial cd's, and available as club downloads.
Ofcourse you can go with the free download and install those drivers yourself.

Just Installed

[foshizzlemynizzle]

Installation was a breeze. So far USB2 support is not bad, my USB2 HD is working as it should. Thats all I have to report, but I like this version much better than 9 so far.

Re:Just Installed

[Jugalator]

Damn, they dropped support for proportional fonts.

Kinks worked out?

[teamhasnoi]

My pal went back to 9.1, because 10.0 was 'flaky', as he put it.

Mandrake is just trying to trick people into thinking that it's OS X. It'll never work! Mandrake doesn't come with white spots!

Re:Kinks worked out?

[buchanmilne]

Even though it was more of a release candidate than a full release, I was shocked myself at how terrible it was.

It is the first mainstream distro with a 2.6 kernel. That always means there will be hardware issues.

I had problems installing it on a few different computers.

Did you try the provided 2.4 installation kernel? Did you file bug reports?

(Note, many NForce2 boards have issues unless you boot with 'noapic nolapic', at least with the kernel the community install CDs had).

I'm pretty sure that the official release will not have these problems.

If you had filed bugs (or searched to see if they had been filed already), you would know for sure ...

Oh, guess that explains the last 15 minutes

[Neil Blender]

The slashdot crew was installing the new Mandrake on all their servers at once.

Re:Oh, guess that explains the last 15 minutes

[strike2867]

You didnt refresh in the last 15 minutes?

MandrakeClub users aren't too happy

[Anonymous Coward]

The MandrakeClub forums have been burning up with flames regarding the Mandrake mirrors being totally fucked, and the download "mirrors" actually being links to bittorrents. I'm wondering if that will hurt thier business so soon after getting out of bankruptcy.

Re:MandrakeClub users aren't too happy

[MatthewB79]

As a MandrakeClub user, you have to send an email specifically requesting access to an FTP mirror. I still haven't received a response to my request after over 2 weeks. My biggest qualm is that the MandrakeClub signup page does not make it obvious that club members are mainly relegated to using bittorrent for "members-only" features.

Re:Internal server error

[Tuxinatorium]

Congratulations, you're the 500th person to say that. YOU WIN A FREE PONY.

Re:Internal server error

[JCCyC]

Maybe it linked to itself? Major Ouroboros moment there!

Never test on the release server!

[Anonymous Coward]

Scared me silly.

I had to turn on CNN to make sure the North Koreans hadn't nuked Des Moines!

linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long ago

[after]

But why couldnt they squeeze in 2.6.4 at the time they were getting ready to relese the ISOs'? I used to be a Mandrake user, but I got sick of the fact that once you install, there are no easely automated ways to update yoyr software. I use Gentoo, primarily because I think portage (I also use FreeBSD ;)) is the best thing since sliced bread. I also have the 2.6.5 kernel thanks to portage, and USB 2 support is better then ever.

I really think Mandrake, LLC (or what is it?) should concider using a different package/software manager in future releases. This gentoo forums post even describes how to install the superb portage on other distros.

Anyway, someone feel free to correct me or mod me down.

I thought it was armageddon

[zogger]

..heh heh, no lie, slashdot goes down, then my gnomedesktop froze, then I lost my landline connection, within like a minute or so! Man, I whipped on the shortwave to see if I should duck and cover or what!

it's all connected

[Njovich]

Slashdot was down so some geek finally had time to do the work necessary for this release. Thank you Slashdot for helping us out!

Re:linux-2.6.5 is the latest, 2.6.4 but not long a

[GreyWolf3000]

There is an automated way to update your kernel..cp /boot/oldconfig-2.6.3 /usr/src/linux-2.4.5 && make mrproper etc.

The problem comes when you rely on the package manager to take care of stuff you ought to take care of yourself (my biggest beef with Gentoo).

My Experience with Mandrake 10

[newdamage]

I downloaded the 3 ISOs for Mandrake 10 Community when it came out, and kept up with the updates throughout the next few weeks. I had it installed on an Asus L3C laptop that dual booted between XP and Linux. Here's my experiences:

1. Install: rocks. Take note Linux Distros, this is how things should happen, enough configuration available, but simple enough to let it go and go watch Family Guy instead.

2. Boot: One major issue, every time I booted it would alternate between thinking my Orinoco gold pcmcia wireless card would be not present, or thing a new one had been put in and try to reinstall it, this was a real pain the in ass, and was the major reason Mandrake 10 got booted for a second time (9.2 is no longer on my good list either) from this laptop. Maybe this distro is just better for desktops.

3. Usage: KDE 3.2 is nice, I like it, but quite frankly, I think I'm still a Gnome person. Also, if all the drak tools worked correctly all the time, I wouldn't have a problem with Mandrake having their config files all over the place, but tweaking config files by hand just isn't a good thing to do with this distro, and therefore some things just don't work properly (drakconnect!).

Overall, Mandrake is a nice distro, and is great for people new to Linux, but for more intermediate and advanced users, there's better things out there. Quite frankly, my laptop runs really really well using Slackware 9.1, Kernel 2.6.5, Dropline Gnome 2.6, and Swaret (using slackware-current) to automate the upgrade process. Yes, you have to get your hands dirty with Slackware sometimes, but at least things work like they're susposed to, and things that aren't there can be easily installed, and personalized shell/perl scripts are finally reality for those who want full control of their machine.

Don't misunderstand me, I think Mandrake has a ton of potential and I really want to see them succeed, it just still needs more polish. But compared to Fedora and SUSE, I think Mandrake is the best jumping in point for users who have never touched Linux before.

Re:My Experience with Mandrake 10

[myowntrueself]

So far as I can tell, the main reason for going debian these days (at home and I'm mainly talking about 'workstations') is if you specifically don't want to have your hardware set up for you.

Some people really *do* want to spend all day configuring their NICs, tv tuner cards, soundcards etc. ;-)

Mandrake truly rocks for its automatic hardware detection and configuration.

I am an advanced Linux user. I have been using Linux since 1992. I work as a sysadmin at a web hosting outfit that uses debian almost exclusively.

I use Mandrake at home because I work on computers all day.

When I get home I want my computers to just freaking *work* and not spend all weekend configuring them.

Mandrake is good like that.

Mandrake is not just "great for people new to Linux" its also great for lazy but advanced users like me.

Re:My Experience with Mandrake 10

[Anonymous Coward]

Plus, Mandrake is fast.

Using similar configurations, Mandrake has been consistently >10% faster than Redhat (and now Fedora) on all systems I have installed it on.

While Fedora might take 2 seconds to load the KDE menu, Mandrake opens it instantly. This is running the same kernel version and similar kernel configs.

I've been using Mandrake on and off since the 5.x releases, when it's main feature was the much-hyped Pentium optimizations, and it has consistently been one of the most responsive distros around.

Once every six months or so, I get annoyed with one buggy program or another (I steer clear of the bug-ridden drak tools), or want to try something different, and go back to Fedora, Debian or Slackware, but none of them are as fast as Mandrake.

I use MythTV for recording TV shows, and only Gentoo results in lower CPU utilization when recording, and even then, the difference is small when compared to the difference betwen Mandrake and Fedora.

So, I think that Mandrake has received an unjust reputation as a "newbie-only" distro. Over the years, I have tried every other major distro, and only Gentoo matches Mandrake's responsiveness. I don't know what the guys at Mandrake do to make their distro so fast, but whatever it is, I'm happy with it.

yer really clueless arent you? sheesh...

[Anonymous Coward]

uhm, are you just stupid or what?

try mandrake update. its easy. painless. simple. a monkey could do it.

if yer a little more clueful, try urpmi.

mandrake has all the package managers that redhat has, and all the package managers that gentoo has, and all the package managers that debian has too.
and some more.

get a clue. try it. its easy.

and to those people who say its not stable, wtf are you smoking? can i get some?

mandrake 10 "just works"...

Difference between Community and Official.

[David Hume]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between Community and Official?

According to the Mandrake Linux Users Club Page, among other things members of the club are entitled to:

• Silver members can download the first three ISO images from the latest PowerPack along with its numerous proprietary drivers and plugins.
  
  
• Full access to commercial applications which are normally only available in retail packs. Over 130 high-quality packages built & tested for Mandrake Linux can be installed with a single mouse click. Applications include easy-to-use web browser plugins, Java, powerful commercial applications and demo versions, software drivers, and lots more
  

(emphasis in original). Thus it appears that at least one of the differences between Communty and Official is that the latter contains proprietary software and drivers that need not and cannot be distributed pursuant to the GPL or other Open Source license.

Re:Difference between Community and Official.

[Windsurfer]

Thus it appears that at least one of the differences between Communty and Official is that the latter contains proprietary software and drivers that need not and cannot be distributed pursuant to the GPL or other Open Source license.

Not quite. There are two "editions" of both Community and Official, the Download edition (available to everyone) and the Powerpack edition (only available to silver members and above, and contaning the proprietary software you mentioned). So everyone will be able to get Community Download and Official Download (in a few weeks), but only silver members and above can get Community Powerpack and Official Powerpack.

As others have pointed out, the difference between Community and Official is that Community was released as a kind of final, final release candidate, and once Mandrake were happy, they then released Official.

I have a problem with it.

[WindBourne]

I am a silver member. I have been for some time. I am currently running 10.0 community on several of my systems so that I could at least help debug. Now, it appears that a silver member will only get you a desktop, not the real core. No APache. No hylafax. No kolab. No DB (postgres or mysql). Nothing.

Is there anybody here from mandrake who can help explain why it appears that those of us who helped bring you out of bankruptcy are suddenly being screwed?

I will be downloading it, but if the web page was correct about this, then I will be canceling the membership and turning 10 families on over to a different distro. Hopefully, it it just a screw up in how things are presented.

Re:I have a problem with it.

[LordK3nn3th]

What are you talking about? Even the public ISOs have those available. Did you not install them when you installed Mandrake? If so, download them with urpmi instead.

Re:I have a problem with it.

[mpol]

10.0 community does carry apache (apache1 and apache2), hylafax (and drakfax to configure it) and kolab. Also postgres and mysql are around. Maybe not all of them ended up on the iso's (but if so, then it should be on the 4th and 5th cds), and you can always install any mandrake package additionally from the mirrors, once they are functional agin with the new trees.

I think you are misinformed in some way. What webpage did you read this?

The official release is actually community with updates, and carries the same. If you have the commercial version (from club, mandrakestore or boxed set) it also includes ati and nvidia drivers, and some other commercial software. So if you are a silver member, you should be able to put your hands on these commercial cd's of the official release.

Re:I have a problem with it.

[WindBourne]

I think you are misinformed in some way. waht webpage did you read this?

Here is the sites comparisions.
Here is the official club day
And here is from my e-mail:
- Silver Members and above: Immediate access to 5 Mandrakelinux 10.0
Official PowerPack CD ISO images which includes three Install CDs plus
two additional CDs of extra applications


- Gold Members and above: Immediate access to 7 Mandrakelinux 10.0
Official PowerPack+ CD ISO images which includes three Install CDs
plus four additional CDs of extra applications. This offer includes the Kolab groupware server.

It sounds like gold gets the power-pack+ while silver is simply the desktop version of power pack. Where am I wrong on all this?

Alarming Rise in World Productivity!

[SnappingTurtle]

Millions of hackers around world seen doing work. Sighs of "is it back up again?" heard in cubicles around the nation. Bizarre trend starts around 5:15pm EST, ends by 6pm.

In small backlash, office girls around the world report increase in bad flirting by guys with dorky hair cuts.

Meanwhile, Microsoft Super-Secret Tracking Server Explodes. "It appears that everyone opened Minesweeper at once", claims Steve Ballmer, "and all those Windows machines 'phoning home' about the application launch was just too much for our server to take."

"We were damn lucky that Solitaire launches are sent to a different tracking server", he added.

Mandrake

[KaiserZoze_860]

I upgraded to Mandrake 10.0 Community on my laptop about 2 weeks ago. The install was smooth but the touchpad was extremely over sensitive. I had to go back to 9.2. I'm running 10.0 on a desktop/server now and it works great. About the only valid argument against Mandrake would be the size of the install with all those automated goodies. I'll probobly grab the stable 10.0 ISOs once the demand dies down in a month or so.

Right now they are heavily overloaded. As a side note, you can skip by clicking "I'm a community member or plan on joining soon." But I hope you find it worth your while to support Mandrake. A lot of work went into this distro and I'd hate to see them go back into the red.

-KS

Re:Mandrake is screwing over its own members.

[BrookHarty]

Ok, looks like I can upgrade my account to Silver or Gold and get the PowerPack and extra Bonus CD's. Still feel a little squeezed, but I do like the distro.

Re:Mandrake is screwing over its own members.

[The Snowman]

I just signed up for the Standard plan. Now I find out, even though I'm a mandrake club member, I can't download some ISO's. Only Silver and higher can. And the ISO's I get are the public release version. How freaking ABSURD!

Being a member means you get releases sooner, and you get better access to updated packages and custom packages. Generally speaking they only release bugfixes publically. Members get "real" upgraded packages.

The main reason to be a member is to give something back. Free software may be free, but there is nothing wrong with pitching in some cash to help out.

What the hell are you talking about?

[ThoreauHD]

The missing information is only in your head.

That's the BETA dipshit.

[ThoreauHD]

Not to confuse you with the various intricacies of software development, but before software becomes production- it is alpha, beta, and release candidate. Guess which one you were using? Did you report the bugs? Dumbass say what? No.. alrighty then.

Who let him out?

[CyBlue]

"Mandrake official released" ? They should just thrown away the key.

Re:Mandrake 10 Sucks (I'm serious!)

[BokLM]

Your comparison between Mandrake 10 Community and Debian Sarge is completly stupid.
The fact that you got some probleme with mdk and everything worked fine on your Debian Sarge does mean it's the case for everybody. I can find people who had no problem installing Mandrake 10 and could not install Sarge.
And KDE running only as root is not the normal behavior, you probably found a bug (or did something wrong), that's what the Community release is for : to help find this kind or bugs.

Re:Huh?!

[MarkVVV]

urpmi.update -a (similar to 'apt-get update') then urpmi --auto-select (similar to 'apt-get dist-upgrade') no, you don't need to thank me :)

Update procedure

[MarkVVV]

For everyone that is running 10.0 CE and wants to upgrade: urpmi.removemedia -a (clears urpmi setup) then urpmi.addmedia main ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/10.0/i586/Mandrake/ RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/10.0/contrib/i586/ with ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz urpmi.addmedia --update updates ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrakelinux/official/updates/10.0/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.pcds.ch/pub/plf/mandrake/10.0 with hdlist.cz and finally... urpmi --auto-select done ;)

software needs to be installed...

[Walrusss]

hmmm... did you just try to install the packages first ? There is no such thing as a "desktop" distro or a "server" distro for Mandrake...

Ok, you need to check the group of packages saying "Databases" to have the databases (like postgres) installed, it may not install MySQL by default, but if you go in your Mandrake Control Center, you can actually install that software (it even tells you which cd to install).

By the way, software works better if installed... ;-)

And I'm using a Mdk 10.0 Community to tell you this (yes, I have mysql, apache, .... all installed).

Re:Torrent

[colinguthrie]

I presume this is the "community" torrent from a month or two ago, not todays "official" release. I'd make 100% sure before you waste 2 Gigs of download bandwidth.