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Running Mac OS X Panther

honestpuck (Tony Williams) writes "Many years ago I bought a second hand Ford Cortina in dubious condition. I kept it running with the assistance of a marvelous volume purchased at a specialist bookstore that was referred to as "the shop manual." It wasn't much help teaching you how to drive or how to park but if you needed to know how to perform an oil change, flush the radiator or bleed the brakes it told you all the details. Now James Duncan Davidson has given me a shop manual for Macintosh OS X Panther." Read on for Williams' review of the O'Reilly published Running Mac OS X Panther. (And for the curious, here's what google has to say about "Ford Cortina.") Running Mac OS X Panther author James Duncan Davidson pages 292 publisher O'Reilly and Associates rating 8/10 - Excellent book, a little thin on details in a few places reviewer Tony Williams ISBN 0596005008 summary A good shop manual for those running Panther

This volume assumes you know how to use your Mac, how to perform all the routine changes that are easily accomplished with the GUI. Davidson also assumes you don't want to know how to get a movie running as your desktop, or get an Exposé blob floating on the screen or any of the usual sort of 'hacks' or 'hints.' What he gives is a good guide to lifting the hood and performing serious mechanical work or tweaking the performance of your Mac with enough background information so that you can feel confident taking your own steps.

It was good after a few near misses to read an O'Reilly book that was once again well written, well edited, tight and crammed full of information pitched at just the right level. Davidson has done an excellent job with this book.

Davidson starts with a little history, and from the viewpoint he presents, this is not a waste of space; he spends his time explaining exactly how we arrived at the current version of the Mac OS.

Then we have a chapter titled "Lay of the Land" that explores the file system, including both the Finder view and the view you get from the command line. It also explains the four file system domains and the 'Library' directory. The third chapter is a quick (20 pages) look at the Terminal and shell.

Then we get 'Part II: Essentials,' which is the 120-page core of the book. This starts off, logically, with system startup and the login (and log out and shutdown). This is followed by short chapters on users and groups, files and permissions, monitoring, scheduling and preferences and defaults before a marvelous long chapter on the file system. Davidson goes into great detail and closely covers each of the topics, making sure that you get all the details not just 'recipes.'

Part III ("Advanced Topics") starts with a chapter on Open Directory that I found particularly useful. It includes coverage on Kerberos and single sign-on that explains it well, as well as the command-line Open Directory tools. The chapter on printing could have had a bit more guts. It covers the obvious but leaves out such joys as CUPS apart from a half-page sidebar; since sharing printers has caused me more than a little grief I would have appreciated more detail here. The final chapter on networking is better, and provides more useful detail.

It must be said that this section concentrates more on user level detail and leaves out real information on server level software and options. Given the target group for this book, and that a book has to draw a line somewhere, this is quite fair.

Davidson has picked his topics well, almost everyone will find all of Part II useful and educational. Part III is perfect for people wanting to run Panther in a corporate environment. He has balanced the command line and GUI well, pointing out where you can do a job with both and explaining the details.

Oreilly's page for the book has a table of contents and index but no example chapter. If you go to Davidson's page at O'Reilly there is a link to a short excerpt on scheduling tasks as well as several earlier articles Davidson has written for MacDevCenter.

I would recommend this book to any Panther user with a moderate amount of experience. It is not for the newcomer to the Mac, perhaps, but everyone else will benefit from this book.

You can purchase Running Mac OS X Panther from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page

175 comments

  1. Cortina == Gag! by webwalker · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least the interface on OSX looks better. The poor Ford looks like something a stylist would produce as revenge against his employer.

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    1. Re:Cortina == Gag! by Pope · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, my Mom had a green Cortina when I was a kid, I still remember lifting up the rubber boot around the shifter and seeing road.

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    2. Re:Cortina == Gag! by trash+eighty · · Score: 1

      i think its one of the best looking cars ever made, mind u i think russian cars look good so what do i know?

    3. Re:Cortina == Gag! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      > I still remember lifting up the rubber boot around the shifter and seeing road

      Hey, that sounds like a handy feature for checking for black ice & whatnot. Also for checking on altitude without relying on the instruments. VFR rulez!

    4. Re:Cortina == Gag! by Anomalous+Cowbird · · Score: 1

      But for many rock fans (of a certain age and/or taste) the Cortina was imortallized by Ian Dury:

      "Had a love affair with Lena/In the back of my Cortina."

      - Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick!

    5. Re:Cortina == Gag! by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 1

      God help us if people start driving cars under IFRs.

      Then again, if people were trained to drive like pilots are trained to fly, maybe I wouldn't get rear-ended so much.

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    6. Re:Cortina == Gag! by AnonymousKev · · Score: 1
      God help us if people start driving cars under IFRs.

      In Dallas, people already do. Except that they ignore the instruments.

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    7. Re:Cortina == Gag! by HaveNoMouth · · Score: 1
      > I still remember lifting up the rubber boot around the shifter and seeing road

      >>Hey, that sounds like a handy feature for checking for black ice & whatnot. Also for checking on altitude without relying on the instruments. VFR rulez!

      Not to mention saving lots of time when nature calls.

      Rest stop? We don't need no steenking rest stop! Just lift up the boot and let fly!

    8. Re:Cortina == Gag! by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      We had a Mk III Cortina, I thought it was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. Those were the days.

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    9. Re:Cortina == Gag! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      And you can use Flintstone mode of ac-/deceleration.

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  2. For the curious... by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:For the curious... by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 2, Informative

      how about just: mplayer -rootwin somemovie.mpg Seems simple enought to me. And you can even run the movie in another window (not just the desktop). Mplayer is the shiznit.

    2. Re:For the curious... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      How about the desktop being what your iSight is pointing at at that very moment, scaled up to full screen? Mirrored for rear view or normal for behind-monitor view as if your monitor wasn't in your line of sight (assuming there's anything worth seeing there like out a window or keeping an eye on the kids). Maybe with the contrast reduced to make it less distracting.

      But a DVD, even easier is to change your desktop background to the same color Apple DVD Player is color-keyed to replace, with the player in full-screen. Then even the icons on your desktop will be atop the video.

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    3. Re:For the curious... by golo · · Score: 1

      I love your iSight idea, it's brilliant! If I had one I would try it just for kicks.

    4. Re:For the curious... by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Nope, his page (and tag ;)) are correct. You want to start on the passenger side in the general case, and do the rear first. You want to do the lines in order from longest to shortest, unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise. Granted, the order doesn't usually matter in the rear since the distribution block is centered on the rear differential - presuming the car is a "real" car and therefore has powered rear wheels - but the front lines are usually distributed on the driver's side, resulting in the passenger line being longer than the driver's line. It's easier to remember to start on the passenger side both times, IMHO, even though the rear often doesn't matter.

      I personally prefer to use my homebuilt pressure bleeder, but then, I'm lazy like that. :)

      I'll wholeheartedly agree that Russel SpeedBleeders are just about the best friggin' thing ever to be invented, though.

  3. Prophylactic comment. by Guano_Jim · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just to get this out of the way.

    You can buy a multi-button mouse that will work with OSX.

    But you have to leave your parents' basement to do it.

    1. Re:Prophylactic comment. by The+I+Shing · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree. I have bought cheap two-button scroll mice at Office Max that were free after rebate and they work just fine in OS X. No driver installation was necessary.

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    2. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But why would you do that? Having only one button is so much more productive. I refuse to buy a PC until they remove all the unncecessary mouse buttons!
      -- MacFreak

    3. Re:Prophylactic comment. by hak1du · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can buy a multi-button mouse that will work with OSX.

      Yes, but how do you replace the built-in single-button pointing device on an iBook or Power book with a built-in multi-button pointing device?

    4. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Der+Krazy+Kraut · · Score: 3, Funny

      But you have to leave your parents' basement to do it.

      Not necessarily. You could also order one over the Intarweb[tm].

    5. Re:Prophylactic comment. by BigBir3d · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Dell optical USB mouse works with OS X 10.3.x without drivers also... but won't work with an IBM ThinkPad with Windows XP Pro. Go figure.

    6. Re:Prophylactic comment. by JHromadka · · Score: 5, Informative
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    7. Re:Prophylactic comment. by the+phantom · · Score: 5, Informative

      This may not be exactly the solution you are looking for, but ctrl+click = right click.

    8. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You, sir, are a member of the Macintosh technical elite.

    9. Re:Prophylactic comment. by hak1du · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks for the useful link; that's good to know. I would still prefer three buttons, but that will make using my PowerBook a lot less painful.

    10. Re:Prophylactic comment. by itwerx · · Score: 1

      With this.

      Urg! I don't think so!
      I kill off even the basic tap-to-click...

    11. Re:Prophylactic comment. by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      I hear this Inter Ned shopping fellow is very helpful, he'll deliver all manner of shite direct to your door. And my name isn't even Ned!

    12. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but I still can't wait for the Apple's no-button mouse ("iMouse0") to hit the shelves. Now /that's/ ease-of-use.

    13. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did release a mouse (maybe still being sold?) that had no visibly discernable buttons. The entire mouse was a button.

    14. Re:Prophylactic comment. by larkost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes.. this is the current mouse design. The only change from the original of this type is that now it is white, rather than black, under the clear shell.

      Apple also sells a wireless version (bluetooth).

    15. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Beer_Smurf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget the Apple mouse gets a pretty good price on eBay so you usually come out ahead.

    16. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Ansonmont · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      On macs it is CMD+Click.
      -A

    17. Re:Prophylactic comment. by The+I+Shing · · Score: 1

      You ain't kiddin'.

      When I started buying those mice and giving them to the Mac users in my office they thought I was a miracle worker.

      Wow! Two buttons! And a scroll wheel! You're a genius!

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    18. Re:Prophylactic comment. by godawful · · Score: 1

      it is cntrl + click, not cmd.

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    19. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Pinky · · Score: 1

      Why bother? The mac mouse works on a PC. I can just give you the one that came with my mac. It's not like it's doing anything at the moment.

    20. Re:Prophylactic comment. by hak1du · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to fail to understand the difference between a pointing device and a combination of pointing device and keyboard shortcut. Hint: you can operate a three button mouse comfortably with one hand.

      Besides, while three mouse buttons do not confuse me, five choices of non-standard function keys combined with a single mouse button definitely do. Talk about counterintuitive.

      Control-click may do the same thing as a right click, but it is not a right click.

    21. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Yeah? Do a non-continous selection with one hand on your three button mouse. Open an URL in a new window/tab while using the opposite of the default behaviour of focusing.

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    22. Re:Prophylactic comment. by hak1du · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah? Do a non-continous selection with one hand on your three button mouse. Open an URL in a new window/tab while using the opposite of the default behaviour of focusing.

      What's your point? That there are obscure key/mouse combos that some small number of people use? What does that prove?

      And how does an already unintuitive feature get better by adding another two modifier keys (Fn and Command) to the already confusing set of set of modifier keys (Control, Shift, Alt, AltGr)? Even Windows UI designers had the good taste not to use the extra keys on the Windows keyboard (Windows, Menu) as modifiers for the mouse.

    23. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Obscure? Hardly. I use these features almost all the time. You don't because you can't and are confused by mice with only one button. And what's that prattle about "another two modifier keys"? Have you ever used a Mac?

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    24. Re:Prophylactic comment. by hak1du · · Score: 1

      Obscure? Hardly. I use these features almost all the time.

      Ah, well, I guess that settles it then: if a dedicated Mac fanatic like you doesn't find it obscure, then it can't be obscure.

      You don't because you can't and are confused by mice with only one button. And what's that prattle about "another two modifier keys"?

      The Mac has Fn, Control, Shift, Command, and Alt, and they all are commonly used as mouse modifiers; furthermore, their mappings to mouse buttons and their function is quite inconsistent in different applications.

      In contrast, Windows and X11 mainly use Control and Shift as modifiers for the mouse (Alt in some circumstances), and they use left, middle, and right mouse buttons quite consistently, both within each system and between each other.

      Have you ever used a Mac?

      Yes, I have. In fact, I still do, regularly. But I also use other things, and unlike you, I don't approach the world with Mac-blinders.

    25. Re:Prophylactic comment. by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      Ah, well, I guess that settles it then: if a dedicated Mac fanatic like you doesn't find it obscure, then it can't be obscure.

      Yeah, nobody but a Mac fanatic would ever select two files that are not directly located next to each other, nor would he want to open several links in the background. Not if he has to remove his hand from his dick to do it.

      The Mac has Fn, Control, Shift, Command, and Alt, and they all are commonly used as mouse modifiers; furthermore, their mappings to mouse buttons and their function is quite inconsistent in different applications.

      Yeah, the Fn key. Sure. Care to give any examples were the Fn key is used as a mouse modifier? Thought so. IOW you never used a Mac. The Control key is for context menues - period. And the few apps were the behaviour of mod-keys are different from other apps are ports from Windows or *nix.

      In contrast, Windows and X11 mainly use Control and Shift as modifiers for the mouse (Alt in some circumstances), and they use left, middle, and right mouse buttons quite consistently, both within each system and between each other.

      So Windows and X11 use the same keys as modifiers as the Mac, despite having all those mouse buttons? Gee, there must be too little mouse buttons. And Windows doesn't use the third button - that many PC mice don't have anymore. And the use of the modifier keys is not consistent between apps, on X11 it isn't even consistent between apps that use the same window manager. And on X11 the use of mouse buttons isn't consistent, because developers add new features that are activated by them all the time - features that were mouse-key-modified on the Mac for years in a standard way across apps for years. Which brings us to the mouse buttons that Microsoft added to the keyboard. Do you want me to go on?

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  4. So what you're saying is... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...to keep my Mac running smoothly I have to periodically bleed the brakes and change the oil?

    What a lot of work, I'll just stick with Windows.

    1. Re:So what you're saying is... by hyperstation · · Score: 5, Funny
      What a lot of work, I'll just stick with Windows.

      ...in which case you have to periodically just rebuild the whole damn car

    2. Re:So what you're saying is... by elwell642 · · Score: 0

      Heh... you need to bleed the brakes and change the oil on Windows, too.

      But it doesn't matter, cause it'll still crash.

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    3. Re:So what you're saying is... by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Really? Because I've never had to rebuild the Windows kernel for a new release.

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    4. Re:So what you're saying is... by Trigun · · Score: 1

      No, you just have to do the technical equivalent of open the hood, remove the rad cap, drive new car under rad cap, replace the rad cap and close the hood. No rebuilding required!

    5. Re:So what you're saying is... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      You can rebuild Linux, but that doesn't mean you have to. I've never had to do so, I just install a package update. The few times I have to reinstall Windows meant at least a half-dozen reboots on the conservative side, maybe ten, depending on the number of device drivers, programs and patches that insist on rebooting immediately after install rather than after everything is installed.

    6. Re:So what you're saying is... by johkir · · Score: 5, Funny

      What a lot of work, I'll just stick with Windows.

      ...in which case you have to periodically just rebuild the whole damn car


      And don't be bothered if someone else takes it out for a spin one day

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    7. Re:So what you're saying is... by uujjj · · Score: 1

      That sounds more like Gentoo

    8. Re:So what you're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...in which case you have to periodically just rebuild the whole damn car
      Tou-f$cking-ché, man.
    9. Re:So what you're saying is... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I've never had to rebuild the Windows kernel for a new release.

      Okay, you don't ahve to rebuild the engine, just take it out of the car, turn it all the way around, and put it back in.

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    10. Re:So what you're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm...

      I thought that's what you do with Linux.

    11. Re:So what you're saying is... by wwwillem · · Score: 1

      And don't be bothered if someone else takes it out for a spin one day.

      Like those T-shirts with the slogan "your Windows PC is my other computer"... :-)

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  5. Have you noticed... by WwWonka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..that Mac OSX users now think they know 'Nix, and that 'Nix users think they know Mac now?

    1. Re:Have you noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ..that Mac OSX users now think they know 'Nix, and that 'Nix users think they know Mac now?

      It's "*nix", Windows boy.

    2. Re:Have you noticed... by WwWonka · · Score: 1

      It's "*nix", Windows boy.

      ...and you're obviously an aforementioned Mac user.

    3. Re:Have you noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "*nix", Windows boy.
      Er, I think the reference is to the "Knights who say 'Nix!"

    4. Re:Have you noticed... by kelzer · · Score: 4, Informative

      ..that Mac OSX users now think they know 'Nix, and that 'Nix users think they know Mac now?

      If you're refering to Davidson, it might interest you that he's actually a fairly recent convert to the Mac. He worked for Sun for quite a while, contributing quite a bit to parts of the J2EE spec and the Tomcat webserver (as well as creating "Ant").

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    5. Re:Have you noticed... by hak1du · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're refering to Davidson, it might interest you that he's actually a fairly recent convert to the Mac. He worked for Sun for quite a while, contributing quite a bit to parts of the J2EE spec and the Tomcat webserver (as well as creating "Ant").

      And how does working on Java (whether at Sun or elsewhere) make him a UNIX expert?

    6. Re:Have you noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, I think the reference is to the "Knights who say 'Nix!"

      Ummmmmm.....no. You must use an e-machine or an iMac or something.

    7. Re:Have you noticed... by kelzer · · Score: 1

      And how does working on Java (whether at Sun or elsewhere) make him a UNIX expert?

      I don't know. Who said he was a UNIX expert?

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    8. Re:Have you noticed... by jared_hanson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ..that Mac OSX users now think they know 'Nix, and that 'Nix users think they know Mac now?

      Umm, no. The "average" Mac user only wants to use his/her computer efficiently. These people don't consider "knowing" the computer as more important than actually using it for work.

      The only people who are big UNIX geeks running Mac OS X came from other *NIXes like Linux or BSD. These people have a right to assert they know UNIX because in most cases they do. In turn, anyone who can figure out UNIX can figure out the Mac overlay in no time at all. (hint: it's simple for a reason)

      I suspect you were trolling, and I bit.

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    9. Re:Have you noticed... by JThundley · · Score: 1

      I'm one of those people. I've got 4 Linux machines and a BeOS machine and I'm going to get a mac for the parents to use.

      Do you really think that I won't be able to figure it out?

    10. Re:Have you noticed... by natoochtoniket · · Score: 1

      I've been a *nix geek for about 20 years, and have used Mac at home for almost that long... When I first got OS-X, it took me about 20 minutes to find the damn shell window. Then, it took about 3 seconds to realize it was a BSD system. The 'terminal' application now lives in my dock.

    11. Re:Have you noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duncan has experience with Unix, Mac and Windows.

    12. Re:Have you noticed... by leperkuhn · · Score: 1

      I think you only really see that on slashdot, because well, that's the slashdot crowd. I've never heard someone say "i know unix cause i have a mac" besides the people that actually do know unix stuff.

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    13. Re:Have you noticed... by Bastian · · Score: 1

      ...that Windows users think they know jack now?

    14. Re:Have you noticed... by Aquafort · · Score: 1

      Be ready to want one for yourself. Especially for a laptop.

    15. Re:Have you noticed... by Aquafort · · Score: 1

      Maybe they think they know VMS. Now that would be funny!

    16. Re:Have you noticed... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
      Then, it took about 3 seconds to realize it was a BSD system.

      That's a long time, considering this was advertised for months before OSX came out....

    17. Re:Have you noticed... by EddDeDuck · · Score: 1

      It's the Knight's who say Ni! not Nix

  6. Panther Maintenence by Hornsby · · Score: 5, Informative

    For anybody running Panther, here is a set of indespensible tips. I go through the steps outlined in that article about once a month, and it keeps my G4 laptop purring like a kitten. The steps about regenerating the prelink binding are especially relevant to performance.

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    1. Re:Panther Maintenence by jargoone · · Score: 2, Funny

      And all along, I thought that Mac fans were just spouting nonsense about being user-friendly. I can see the conversation now:

      Mom: "My computer is running slow!"
      Me: "Did you regenerate your prelink binding like I told you to?"

    2. Re:Panther Maintenence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love the bit where he uses sudo to execute a command and then says this "Don't worry about the lines of text that will scroll on your Terminal. This simply means that the command is doing its work."
      And there I was all this time worrying about things I do when I am root.

    3. Re:Panther Maintenence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      once a month? sheesh.. can't you just setup a cron job?

    4. Re:Panther Maintenence by Hornsby · · Score: 1

      Uh... did you read my post? I have a laptop which means it's not up 24/7 like my desktops are.

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  7. Re:os x is so user freindly by WwWonka · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Republicans: party of big gov't
    Democrats: party of really big gov't


    You've got it all wrong there sparky,

    Republicans: party of big gov't
    Democrats: gov't having a really big party

  8. Has to be said: by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 5, Funny

    How to run it:

    Plug it in. Turn it on. Bam, OSX mopping that ass up with easy-to-use goodness. Go ahead mod me down, you'll change your mind once you use OSX.

    1. Re:Has to be said: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, you say that like it's a bad thing?

    2. Re:Has to be said: by millahtime · · Score: 5, Informative

      "you realize all that candy sweetness is there to keep you from noticing how it's mostly unix with a sham thrown over it."

      Actually more FreeBSD that anything else with the best GUI out there thrown over it. Better than gnome, kde or windows. And yes I do use all the others on a regular to semiregular basis.

      And unix style systems can be pretty damn sweet.

    3. Re:Has to be said: by perendengue · · Score: 2, Informative

      err, not really...the system api sure, but there is a that little triffle of the mach kernel in there...which is not freebsd

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    4. Re:Has to be said: by Kingpin · · Score: 0, Troll


      Do you think OSX is easier to use than Windows? Why?

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    5. Re:Has to be said: by killjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What you say is pretty much true for the client but the mac os x server needs some serious work IMHO.

      I am waiting for the Mac OS X server administration book. The PDFs at the apple web site are lame and only walk you through the GUI.

      As long as I am griping... When is Apple going to get off their ass create a ports collection for apple. For those who are wondering here is the current state of the art for mac flavor of bsd.

      Darwinports: Does not resolve dependencies. Very limited.
      Fink: Does resolve dependencies and less limited but still fewer ports then freebsd.
      Pkgsrc: Lots of ports, resolves depencies but you are likely to get lots of errors when building them on mac.

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      evil is as evil does
    6. Re:Has to be said: by joesoundbyte · · Score: 0

      i will risk sounding like an apple sheep here but it's different. simple as that. after selling my PC i found it almost odd the way the OS worked.. but that wears off faster than you realize it's happening.. and soon enough you'll think every other OS is "odd". buy a mac. be a sheep.

    7. Re:Has to be said: by Aquafort · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's not forget NeXTStep either! (And yes, it's more than your AfterStep window manager, n00b!)

    8. Re:Has to be said: by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      Mostly because of the stability of the code, combined with the uniformity of the interface. And to be clear, I'm hardly a Mac die-hard: I started my computer career on a Commodore Vic-20, moved to a C64, then used some variant of IBM knockoffs running various versions of windows up through XP Pro, before buying my first Mac a year ago.

      And yes, it's easier to use. Took a bit of getting used to and the installation of LaunchBar, but I'd say it's the easiest to use machine I've ever had.

    9. Re:Has to be said: by perendengue · · Score: 1

      oh ya, tons of NeXT in there..good point

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    10. Re:Has to be said: by argent · · Score: 1

      Do you think OSX is easier to use than Windows? Why?


      I hope whoever moderated you down as a "Troll" gets his karma cut for it. That's actually a reasonable question, and deserves a reasonable answer.

      The answer is, well, it's not always easier to use. Nobody's perfect, and there's shortcomings to everything... and even Microsoft gets things right once in a while.

      But in general, well, Mac OS X just works. It's unmysterious. There's very few dark corners where you just can't figure out what's going on or how to fix it. In many ways it's more straightforward than the plain old UNIX it's built on. It's not quite as simple and clear as most of the pre-X versions of Mac OS, but it's got Mac OS 9 beat in a lot of places.

      And that's worth a lot to me. I'm running out of neurons to waste on remembering stupid OS tricks.

    11. Re:Has to be said: by OmniVector · · Score: 3, Informative

      Darwinports: Does not resolve dependencies. Very limited.

      WHAT?? this is coming straight from the mouth of a darwinports contributor. it supports dependencies, including specific versions, build dependencies, run dependencies, and even config-level dependencies. darwinports is also much more pure to the bsd roots than fink. fink puts things in /sw, which is not a file system hierarchy standard, whereas darwinports puts them in /opt, where the file system standard says they belong. if you take a look at freebsd some time, you'll know just now anal people are about sticking to the hierarchy specs unlike most linux distros which can't agree on squat (/usr/bin, /usr/local/bin are never the same per-distro).

      darwinports also has superior gtk-app support, including gtk2 versions of most apps (abiword, gnumeric, gimp, pan, and more) long before fink did. some fink still doesn't have.

      in spite of all this, darwinports was *almost* included in panther, but for some reason was pulled last minute. i do hope that 10.4 ships with darwinports, as it is the official opendarwin-supported project, and with mac os x being based off darwin and all i would imagine they'd pick the official one.

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    12. Re:Has to be said: by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      I am waiting for the Mac OS X server administration book. The PDFs at the apple web site are lame and only walk you through the GUI.

      Panther Server is sweet, but I certainly agree that Apple seriously needs to get on the stick and produce some decent documentation, not to mention training materials for their certification tests. Punch in pretty much any Microsoft exam number in the search field at Amazon and it takes a day to go through all the results. Try that with an Apple exam... nothing.

      There are so many questions I have about things I want to do with OS X Server, and there's really no place to ask them.

      Hopefully things will improve soon, now that OS X is fairly mature and in less of a state of flux.

      ~Philly

    13. Re:Has to be said: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are tons of Discussion board you can use
      Apple supoort 's Board
      Mcnn
      Mcosx dot com..

    14. Re:Has to be said: by killjoe · · Score: 1

      I'll give it another look. I had all kinds of problems with it first time I tried.

      As for the hierarchy I am less concerned about that. Pkgsrc (netbsd) puts everything in the /usr/pkg prefix. That's because it strives to be platform independent. The debian folks are very strict about hierarchy as are the freebsd folks.

      Sad to say Mac OS X is a weird mishmash of stuff. Some logs are in /var/log some logs are in with the application. Same with config files. Mac OS X being what it is I almost prefer that the package distro uses their own prefix for everything. That way I know it won't effect the core system.

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    15. Re:Has to be said: by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      Posting to and searching through discussion boards in the hopes someone who knows the right answer reads and posts is not good enough. I'm talking about a definitive, authoritative source that I *know* I can always turn to.

  9. PARENT STOLEN? by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 0

    Perhaps.

    This is quite similar. Like exact....from 1998. 'tard.

  10. Re:Why dogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's cause they already used the cat in their "UML in a Nutshell" book.

  11. Windows Switcher by millahtime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "you'll change your mind once you use OSX."

    A buddy of mine is a Windows Admin. HE eats, sleeps and breathes Windows. He even got on me for my BSD servers over Windows ones. Then someone talked him into a Mac. Within 24 hours he was a complete convert. He actually said and I quote "What the hell was I thinking!?!?!?!?!"

    1. Re:Windows Switcher by joesoundbyte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well, i can relate to your friend.. since i am usually one to agree with people when they say "it's too good to be true" with computer technology.... and i was once told asked by a windows user why i make using a mac sound too good to be true...

      i really didn't know what to say because i never did realize that i was praising the OS.. it just comes as a suprise to me now, since i use OSX as my #1 OS, that windows users can accept applicaiton lockups/freezes, viruses, security holes on a regular basis and go on about their way like nothing happened.

      i sold my "l33t" PC within days of buying my new G5.. and have no plans of ever switching back to using a PC OS.

      not a troll comment at all.. just agreement with the statement above..

  12. *nix doesn't translate well... by anno1602 · · Score: 1

    In German, "nix" is colloquial for "nothing". So the question "Do you know *nix" can be easily misconstrued...

    How do you guys pronounce "*nix"? "Nicks"? "Star-Nicks"?

    1. Re:*nix doesn't translate well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How do you guys pronounce "*nix"?

      I pronounce it "Scheisse".

    2. Re:*nix doesn't translate well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We prononunce it "Unix" but we aren't allowed to write it, for reasons that will come to us.

      Okay, obviously it should then be "?nix". If somebody included Linux, it should obviously be "*n?x", not "?nix".

      Funny, the Mac users don't seem to even want to have these kind of dilemmas... Weird folks, them.

  13. Re:in the free press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Truth hurts?

  14. The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you're talking about IBM keyboard nipples, PC laptops with multiple buttons are impossible to use quickly and accurately. You have to tuck your thumb all weird under your hand. Right-click-drag, for example, is incredibly difficult.

    You can't do it with two hands, even if you want to.

    The MacOS solution is vastly preferable, for laptops only. Click-hold brings up a context menu. If you don't like the delay, ctrl-click. There is no way you can convince me that that is more inconvenient than a two-button trackpad. If you try, I'll suspect that you're lying.

    The second I hit a desk, of course, I plug in my Microsoft Intellimouse Optical. My thumb and pinky drive the cursor, while every suitable finger has a button conveniently placed. Totally different excercise than a trackpad.

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  15. Laptop trackpad by mzweng · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ctrl, Alt...

    I see two buttons right there.

  16. Re:rofl mod up by D'Sphitz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    dude you totally mean window$ sux

  17. Thank you AC! by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    There is in my opinion nothing better than an old joke. Tell it 5000 times and I'll laugh at every one. If only the trolls were as funny.

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    1. Re:Thank you AC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody forgot to hit the Post Anonymously checkbox!

  18. Re:The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons by bluekanoodle · · Score: 1
    Correction, YOU can't do this, but those of us who have mastered the use of our opposable thumb have no problem.

    Having said that, I found the lack of a second button on the powerbook very frustrating, for about 2 hours until I mastered the art of ctrl-click. There's that darn opposable thumb again.

  19. Wait for the OS X in a nutshell by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have been looking at such books, but I have to say I like the "OS X in a nutshell" version better, because of their nice and extensive Unix command appendix.
    The Jaguar edition has been out for a while, but I'm waiting for the Panther edition.

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    1. Re:Wait for the OS X in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have to agree... the extensive Unix command appendix is so well put together and it makes my life so much easier.

  20. Re:Tell my why my iPod is crashing my Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try forcing the iPod to do a disk scan

  21. Neither harder nor easier. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    I find MacOS X, Windows 2000 and the various Unixes about as easy to use as each other. It's like driving different cars. My Mum's Suzuki van has the wipers and indicators the other way round compared t my sister's Vauxhall, and my Citroen has an entirely different setup altogether (funny buttons clustered on bulgy bits, no stalks at all). One's no better than the other, just different. I prefer the Citroen though, just as I prefer using XFCE with something Unix-y.

    1. Re:Neither harder nor easier. by argent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Windows is fine as long as nothing goes wrong, then you discover it's something like a cross between a Pinto and a British sports car: you have to remove the engine to replace the wiper motor and it explodes if you forget to refrib the flux transduction coil or synchronise the vernor headings... so you just throw it out and get another one instead of trying to change the oil.

      After a while you get used to fixing minor problems by reinstalling the operating system. It seems normal. Then you come onto slashdot and say stuff like "I find Mac OS X, Windows 2000, and the various UNIXes about as easy to use as each other" and tag people who disagree as anti-Microsoft bigots.

      But... really, you shouldn't need to do that. Honest.

    2. Re:Neither harder nor easier. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Ah, well... see, I think that Linux is a bit like the Citroen. The engines are actually fairly straightforward, there's loads of info about them, you need special tools but there are dozens of people who will lend you them or help you make your own, and the rest of it is clever, effective and really weird (like the hydraulic suspension and fully-powered steering and brakes).

      Then you go to change a tail light, and find that you need to jack the car up, put stands under it, remove the boot lining, remove the spare wheel, depressurise the hydraulics and finally unscrew two tiny screws hidden by a cover in the rear wheelarch. You can't believe it's that involved (but it is), and you can't believe it has to be done in that order (but you tried depressurising first and couldn't get the jack under), but nevertheless, it is true. Of course, the second time you go to do it, it's really easy, and after the third time, you tell someone else and they say "Ahaa, didn't you know you could get at it from under the bonnet?"

    3. Re:Neither harder nor easier. by argent · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't know, I don't use Linux. I'm a BSD guy.

      The thing about Windows isn't that it doesn't have situations where you have to depressurise the hydraulics to get to the tail light, but that it's got situations where you have to remove the gas tank with a welding torch to get to the oil filter, and this only works in certain models and option packages anyway so the user manual says "the hell with it, if you need to change the oil just throw the car away and get a new one".

      Really. I'm not even exaggerating. I've had Microsoft support that I was paying for tell me to reinstall rather than try and fix fairly minor problems.

    4. Re:Neither harder nor easier. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1
      Yeah, it sucks, doesn't it? Especially since the EULA says that you have *no* comeback if it doesn't work.


      Seriously - people say "Oooooooh, who do you sue if Linux breaks down and kills your business?" Well, no-one. Just the same as, Microsoft won't take responsibility if Windows fucks up and kills your business.

      I'd rather use a system that might not work, and tells you it might not work, and gives you the email address of the guy that wrote it, rather than a system that might not work, and might never work, and you've paid for it, so you can forget ever trying to get a refund.

  22. Re:Why dogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'cos it's "the dog's", obviously!
    ("The dog's" being a contraction of "the dog's bollocks", which is an expression used in Britain to describe something that is as good as it could conceivably be).

  23. Great Slogan! by attercoppe · · Score: 2, Funny


    "Drives Like Fun! Saves Like Crazy!"
    Maybe Panther can adopt this as theirs - although maybe just overseas...

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    Hardware Geeks Do It With The Covers Off!
  24. Hmmm... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 0
    a marvelous volume purchased at a specialist bookstore that was referred to as "the shop manual." It wasn't much help teaching you how to drive or how to park but if you needed to know how to perform an oil change, flush the radiator or bleed the brakes it told you all the details

    I wonder if this marvelous volume would show me how to put my car back together, because the tranny, block, and head are sitting on the floor, and tons of other parts are scattered on 3 tables and a cart. Oh, and don't forget the several containers I have that hold its old oils and fluids. This used to be a car. Now, it's a paperweight on jackstands.

    At least it'll haul ass when I finish it... if I finish it.

  25. Re:LOL by honestpuck · · Score: 1
    No, Timothy puts that bit in. Frankly, I don't much care what Slashdot trolls say.

    In fact the review box on my reviews has always given my name as Tony Williams. Good Slashdot trolls never let the truth get in the way of a good brainfart.

    Tony

  26. Re:LOL by honestpuck · · Score: 3, Funny
    Oh, Hi. Good to see you back again. I was missing my own personal troll, you haven't posted in a while. I guess you were using both your neurons for something else.

    I was wondering if you could come up with another topic - you're posts are getting WAY too repetitous. Perhaps start in on my politics instead of sexuality. You could accuse me of being a Nazi, a Communist or even (topically) a Muslim terrorist.

    Hope to hear from you soon.

    Tony

  27. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stop licking my dick, fag boy

  28. To be fair by pjt33 · · Score: 1

    I learnt Perl and bash with an OS X box.

  29. Re:The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons by tbjw · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It is the case that in several macOS X application (most notably Carbon emacs, but there are others), the 'simulated' right click (i.e. ctrl+click) gives you a contextual menu, but a physical right-click with a three button mouse does something else. This is how everything should work, IMO. The sooner apple releases a mouse with optional buttons, the better.

    (I don't know what a mouse with optional buttons would look like, but it'd be cool)

  30. Re:Why dogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Why'd O'Reilly use dogs for the covers of OSX books?


    Because Apple users train their dogs, ranging in size from Great Danes to Saint Bernards, to fuck their master's arse.

  31. Re:The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons by mangu · · Score: 1
    Right-click-drag, for example, is incredibly difficult. You can't do it with two hands, even if you want to.


    How so? Have you tried using your left-hand thumb or index to click and your right index finger to drag? If there's any fault with the touchpad in normal notebooks, it's that often the middle button is missing. After I got used to Konqueror's opening links in a separate window when mid-clicked, I don't want to use any other method for clicking on links. The simultaneous clicking on both buttons to simulate the third button is a poor substitute.

  32. Re:Why dogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that would be the same reason that the O'Reilly Unix administration books have a menagerie on the cover too?

  33. Re:Why dogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    So that would be the same reason that the O'Reilly Unix administration books have a menagerie on the cover too?


    Yes, but preferences do vary. Perl books, for instance, have a camel in the cover because Larry Wall once took a trip to Egypt and fell in love with a beautiful female camel. He would put a 100 gallon tank of water before her, and, while she drank, Larry would build a mound of sand behind her and fuck her pussy...

  34. I have the bluetooth intellimouse explorer... by Sevn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for my 12" powerbook G4 HOWEVER since I found THIS I don't even bother anymore. The right side of the trackpad is vertical scroll. The bottom edge is horizontal scroll. I set a finger tap in the lower left corner to right mouse button click. I set expose up to "choose all apps" and "clear off desktop" with taps in the other corners. With practice, it's a lot faster than a mouse.

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  35. Re:The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, you can. You're right. If you're using your right index finger to point, your right palm is covering the right click button on any PC laptop I've seen. You can lift your right hand, and press the right click button with your left thumb or index finger.

    That is a big annoyance for me. I feel that at that point, the control button is a whole lot easier to reach. When I use a PC trackpad for an extended period of time, I find that my right thumb hurts from reaching underneath my hand and poking sideways.

    Simultaneous clicking is a pain in the ass, you're right. Modifier keys are the best solution I've heard of for a pointing device that occupies your button fingers.

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  36. Gee, and I thought all it needed.... by mactov · · Score: 1

    was one truckload of fresh meat and another of kittylitter.

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    OK, now what?
  37. Nope.... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
    If you're refering to Davidson, it might interest you...

    Nope. If he was referring to Davidson, he wouldn't have been talking out his ass like that.

  38. Uh-uh!!! by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
    We have our dilemmas too!! eMac or iMac? G4 or G5? iPod or mini iPod? "Quicksilver" or "Mirrored Drive Door"? iBook or powerbook? Blueberry, Lime, or grape?

    See? We Mac users are just as advanced as you nixie people...

  39. Cortina... by MegatronUK · · Score: 1

    ... the mk1 Lotus Cortina twincam. A classic in every sense of the word.

    Shame they're a small fortune to pick-up... I'll have to do with my mk1 Escort instead :-)

    1. Re:Cortina... by dubstop · · Score: 1

      I used to want a Mk1 Escort... until I got a Triumph Toledo.

  40. Re:WARNING: MAC OS X USE CAUSES HOMOSEXUALITY by Snart+Barfunz · · Score: 1

    Thank you for this timely warning. I don't want to become homosexual so I will try to avoid using Mac OSX. Can you tell me exactly how much exposure to OSX causes gayness? Also, what OS can I then use in order to revert to heterosexuality if I do accidentally become exposed to OSX? I assume you are not an OSX user, judging by the very masculine and powerful way in which you use the caps lock key. Perhaps you could post a FAQ to answer these important questions. The sexual health of the Slashdot community depends on you.

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  41. Re:The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons by hak1du · · Score: 1

    The MacOS solution is vastly preferable, for laptops only. Click-hold brings up a context menu.

    And it could continue to do that if Apple put three buttons on their laptops. If you don't want to use the three buttons, you can continue to use just the left button with key combinations.

    But in real life, just about everybody plugs a three button mouse into their desktop Mac because it is simply more intuitive and usable that way: a button for pointing, a dedicated button for context menus, and a dedicated button for scrolling. Having a one button mouse on the notebooks is just confusing.

    You have to tuck your thumb all weird under your hand

    No, you don't, since your right hand is already at an angle. But if that were a problem, it could be addressed by moving the buttons slightly to the side.

    Unless you're talking about IBM keyboard nipples, PC laptops with multiple buttons are impossible to use quickly and accurately.

    Laptops with trackpads are impossible to use quickly and accurately, whether they have one button or three. The reasons why Apple keeps shipping one-button trackpads instead of three button nipples or two button trackballs are simple: appearance, style, cost, and branding. Trackpads are cheap, they don't mar the appearance of the laptops, and Apple considers this particular arrangement part of their brand. Functionality has nothing to do with it.

  42. Why people say *nix... by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

    Two reasons. (1) because back in the day there was Unix, Ultrix, Xenix, and, for all I know "Bobnix". (2) Unix was a trademark of AT&T which both caused the various name permutations and generally pissed off the hacking community.

  43. Re:The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

    Functionality has nothing to do with it.

    I honestly disagree with this, having had a terrible time using PC laptop pointing devices, and simply a mediocre time using Apple laptop pointing devices.

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  44. Re:The pointing device on my ibook has 105 buttons by hak1du · · Score: 1

    I honestly disagree with this, having had a terrible time using PC laptop pointing devices, and simply a mediocre time using Apple laptop pointing devices.

    Which "PC laptop pointing devices" are you talking about? Most PC laptops these days have the same trackpads that Apple popularized. The only other choice that is still commonly available is the nipples, and people either seem to love those or hate those.

    My favorite laptop pointing device, a built in trackball, just doesn't get made anymore.

    In any case, my point is that I don't think usability matters much in Apple's decision to keep trackpads, no matter what that usability may be: Apple keeps single-button trackpads primarily for branding, cost, and design reasons.

  45. Re:Why dogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lmfao - mod this shit up you fuckers