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DNA Computer Detects, Treats Disease

Arthur Dent '99 writes "According to this article at Reuters, Israeli scientists at the Weizmann Institute have developed a DNA computer which can automatically detect and treat prostate cancer and a form of lung cancer in laboratory experiments. Theoretically, a person could be injected with this computer, and it would detect and treat any diseased cells at the earliest stages of development, perhaps preventing the disease altogether."

183 comments

  1. Ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Watch where you put that robot arm prostate cancer-curing computer.

    1. Re:Ouch! by darth_MALL · · Score: 0

      OB Fletch quote: "Whoa, you using the whole computer there, Doc? Moooooooon Riiiverrr"

  2. I have to wonder... by wookyhoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...what happens if the computer gets a virus?

    1. Re:I have to wonder... by garbletext · · Score: 1

      You Die.

    2. Re:I have to wonder... by merdark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then you get a virus.

      I hate to break it to you, but we *already* get lots of cell viruses. Like the flu for example.

      Besides, the research is far away from actually doing what the headline suggests. For now, they are trying to make something that can even *detect* a particular type of diseased cell.

      Other questions about safty would be, are these computers capable of reproducing? I haven't yet read the literature on this, but I'd guess no. They do not use typical virus mechanics for one, and they are nowhere close to being a complete cell. If they can't reproduce, even if they did go haywire and start destroying cells willy nilly, there would only be so many of them in your body to do so. Treatmet could easily be stopped as soon as the first hint of ill effects are noticed.

    3. Re:I have to wonder... by wookyhoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      For some reason I have the following image in my head. Blame it on it being 8:40am and me having spent the last 16hrs working, if you will.

      Dave returns from hospital.
      Dave is feeling better.
      Dave sits down in his comfortable chair to watch the television.
      Dave relaxes.
      Dave looks confused as his hand all of a sudden starts moving, finds a piece of paper, and writes "Buy Cheerios!!!" on it.
      Dave curses, "Damn it".
      Dave looks even more confused as he stands up, walks towared the phone, and makes a phonecall to a number that his hand doesn't allow him to see.
      Dave whispers something into the phone, and then sits back down in his chair.
      Dave curses again, "Damn spyware" :/

    4. Re:I have to wonder... by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Funny

      We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distictiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.

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    5. Re:I have to wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what happens if the computer gets a virus?

      Then it turns into an In Soviet Russia joke: "In Soviet Russia Computer Gives Virus To You!"

    6. Re:I have to wonder... by Gilgaron · · Score: 5, Interesting

      More concerning would be whether or not they would induce an immune response.

      Immunopathology can be as mundane as allergy symptoms or as severe as shock.

      If you were treated with these computers in one instance they could cure you, but you could develop antibodies against them. Later upon receiving a second treatment you could induce large scale inflammatory responses.

    7. Re:I have to wonder... by merdark · · Score: 1

      Yes, but this would me more annoying for the little computers than the person I would think. It's not hard for the body to kill off a small amount of non-reproducing pathogens. But it would make the treatment useless, not a good thing for sure.

    8. Re:I have to wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely hilarious! You should work 16hours more often.

      +10 Funny for you

    9. Re:I have to wonder... by sTavvy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whos Dave?

      Dave's not here man.

    10. Re:I have to wonder... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, in a small amount you'd only have the concern of it being useless. If you inject a large amount, though, the reaction might kill you.

    11. Re:I have to wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 5???? Come on, this is so overplayed...

    12. Re:I have to wonder... by DrLudicrous · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's me, Dave, man! Let me in!

    13. Re:I have to wonder... by Orgazmus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dave's not here man!

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    14. Re:I have to wonder... by mrjb · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

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    15. Re:I have to wonder... by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      More concerning would be whether or not they would induce an immune response.

      Immunopathology can be as mundane as allergy symptoms or as severe as shock.

      If you were treated with these computers in one instance they could cure you, but you could develop antibodies against them. Later upon receiving a second treatment you could induce large scale inflammatory responses.


      I would imagine they would use standard immunosuppressive therapy while the machines do their thing, then let your immune system clean it out once its done its job...

      My mother, who is severely allergic to many substances due to losing her spleen at a very young age, has to take steroid shots occasionally, and they let her do and eat things that she couldn't normally...

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    16. Re:I have to wonder... by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      I thought you were going to make some lame reference to "viral marketing." But you didn't.

      You just had to make me do it!

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  3. Ouch, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would be a bit hard to swallow. I hope it's at least one of those small form factor [i.e. shuttle PC] designs.

    1. Re:Ouch, by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny
      "Would be a bit hard to swallow. I hope it's at least one of those small form factor [i.e. shuttle PC] designs."

      Good news! Its a suppository.

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    2. Re:Ouch, by glenebob · · Score: 3, Funny

      I find that rather hard to swallow...

    3. Re:Ouch, by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 1

      It's a soppository from soviet russia. It swallows you.

      It's a heat seeking soppository. It'll find the right hole on its own.

      It's military standard issue. It'll be inserted manually by the guy it's attached to.

  4. May sound like a joke... by ItMustBeEsoteric · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But wouldn't this make the concept of a computer virus horrifying?

    1. Re:May sound like a joke... by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IF you think about it, this DNA computer is a virus infecting bad cells.

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    2. Re:May sound like a joke... by ItMustBeEsoteric · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True. I remember reading in a bit of Sci-Fi called The Miracle Strain by Michael Cordy about how, in the future once machines had advanced enough to decode each person's genome super fast, to the point of reconstructing a life-like image from their DNA in a few seconds, they had basically gotten to the point of using retroviral factors to transmit DNA changes throughout the body.

      On the non-Sci-Fi note, HIV is probably the best to do this, because once it's stripped of the naughty bits you have a very powerful retrovirus, the most powerful in nature. Of course, at this point it's not practical yet, but it's probably the best way to go about changing DNA, that we can dream up for now anyway.

    3. Re:May sound like a joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes you're absolutely right. In fact according to the second page of the article, normal viruses as we know them are the "DNA computer viruses" you're talking about. They're essentially just strings of nucleotides...

      When I saw the article title I thought, "Wow, DNA COMPUTER!" It's not quite a misnomer, but that name is certainly misleading. These computers don't have any hardware or non-organic components--they're basically just prearranged nucleotide sequences.

      The concept is interesting nonetheless; these are computers in the sense that they function as finite automata. Anybody remember taking Computability in college? =)

    4. Re:May sound like a joke... by Kelz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      once it's stripped of the naughty bits you have a very powerful retrovirus, the most powerful in nature.

      That we know of!

    5. Re:May sound like a joke... by ItMustBeEsoteric · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. Yet would also be fitting (gotta love those viruses, always evolving).

    6. Re:May sound like a joke... by Trent_Alkaline · · Score: 1

      Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" has a very similar theme to it, idea behind it is a "Snow Crash" virus that basically puts people into a coma through a computer virus that transmits from Virtual Reality headsets into the brain.

    7. Re:May sound like a joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see /.ers worldwide signing up to help distribute this...

    8. Re:May sound like a joke... by Docrates · · Score: 1, Informative

      You DO realize that no one has ever SEEN an HIV virus...ever...right? so "stripping it of its naughty bits" can be next to impossible in comparisson with other viruses.

      And what makes you think it's powerful? the one difference between regular retro-viruses and HIV is that HIV has this annoying habit of storing itself in the brain and other hard to reach areas thus making it almost impossible to erradicate completely. If you ask me, this doesn't make it more or less "powerful" than other viruses.

      HIV, for example, can let you live for an indeterminate amount of time (CDC keeps upping the limit since people just aren't dieing like they're supposed to), while a host of other viruses out there can kill you quite quickly.

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    9. Re:May sound like a joke... by mog007 · · Score: 1

      We should just stick with E.Coli for now. The entire E.Coli strain has been analyzed and modified to suit our needs. First we'd have to detect HIV, then cure it, then map it, then we could use it to treat cancer. I think the best thing we could do is use something like E.Coli to just eradicate HIV.

    10. Re:May sound like a joke... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      How would an enteric bacterium effect a human retrovirus that does not infect the epithelium of the intestine? Inject E. coli into the blood to look for HIV infected cells (however you'd manage that) and now you've given a person septicemia...

    11. Re:May sound like a joke... by Gilgaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can Google electron micrographs of HIV.

      That aside, if we made HIV nonpathogenic, the problem would not be so much what cells it infected (cells can survive while infected by certain viruses) but rather integration into the host genome might disrupt important genes, creating a cancer risk in and of itself.

      HIV storing itself in memory lymphocytes is probably more important in the difficulty of clearing the virus than living in the brain.

    12. Re:May sound like a joke... by Zcipher · · Score: 1

      Not likely; we're not talking, after all, about a programable microprocessor, but rather a biological set of molecules (like a conventional virus, if I RTFA correctly). It would be more like ROM, so it wouldn't be as vulnerable to gaining a "virus" in the computing sense.

      OTOH, if we can reprogram a retrovirus in this way, presumably someone else could reprogram it another way, but the chances of them "hacking" these buggers already in your system is slim. After all, if they can manage that, it would probably be cheaper and more reliable just to infect you with something terrible to begin with, rather than recoding these things. Put another way, why wouldn't they just recode ALL your cells to be evil?

      From that perspective, I welcome our new internally dwelling microscopic friends, as they'll be our best defense against our internally dwelling microscopic enemies, be they man made or naturally occuring.

    13. Re:May sound like a joke... by Magic5Ball · · Score: 2, Informative

      No.
      a) This nucleotide sequence isn't likely to interact with any human-made malicious ones as it is not linked to any conventional computer network or disk drive. Even if you were to cross-contaminate with something nasty, this thing doesn't self-replicate, which limits its ability to spread. (If we did make something de novo that self-replicated, that would be the news item, whether it carried a nasty or not.) Also, this DNA computer is subject to the same stray nucleotide degradation rules and enzymes as anything else.
      b) For something to infect this class of computer, either it has to be in the wild long enough for *something* to adapt its infectious abilities to this DNA computer, or we have to engineer something that does the same.
      c) Granted, you could swap the medicine/inhibitor loop for something nasty, but that technology is at least ten years away from the average skript kiddie.

      -M5B

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    14. Re:May sound like a joke... by wuice · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does that mean we get to fuck diseases out of existence? Sexually transmitted diseases call for sexually transmitted cures.

    15. Re:May sound like a joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      We have the complete sequence of HIV and know all of the "naughty bits" already. (NCBI Sequence) Stripping them would limit the use of the virus though since the "naughty bits" are what make is so effective.

    16. Re:May sound like a joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But whats to stop someone from making a bad DNA computer that kills the recipient unless that recipient pays 20 kabillion bucks to the inventor to get the 'uninstaller' ?

    17. Re:May sound like a joke... by kabocox · · Score: 1

      once it's stripped of the naughty bits you have a very powerful retrovirus, the most powerful in nature.

      That we know of!


      Just wait until we get finished tinkering with it!

  5. Well! by Ziviyr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thats quite a step up from "Hello World!"

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    1. Re:Well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that's what the computer outputs when you try to inject it into the goatse guy.

  6. Uhhhhhhhh by WwWonka · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...developed a DNA computer which can automatically detect and treat prostate cancer

    That computer had damn well be running a stable version of Linux if it is operating on/near/in my colon!

    Somehow knowing that a Windows machine could give me the "brown screen of death" doesn't sit easy with me!

    1. Re:Uhhhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That'd put new meaning to "Windows fucked me up the ass, then pulled out and forced me to perform oral on it, before suffocating me and beating my body." Actually, that already has plenty of meaning in it.

    2. Re:Uhhhhhhhh by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Funny

      If your prostate is in your colon, you, sir, have some serious problems.

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    3. Re:Uhhhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For prostate, I'd think blue would be worse than brown.

    4. Re:Uhhhhhhhh by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      ... or a core dump?

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    5. Re:Uhhhhhhhh by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      For prostate, I'd think blue would be worse than brown.

      Heh. My dad once told me about a prank played by University of Michigan students back in his college days. They'd put a certain (supposedly harmless) chemical in someone's food (Michigan State students were a preferred subject) which would react and filter out through their kidneys into their urine, causing them to "Go Blue!"

      Of course those poor chaps may be the ones most in need of a viral prostate exam.

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  7. Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...That the doctor doesn't have to shove his finger up my ass to check my prostate anymore?

    1. Re:Does this mean... by cyber_rigger · · Score: 3, Funny


      shove his finger up my ass


      I'd hope they wouldn't put

      the reset button there

    2. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's disgusting, wrong and irrevrent, but I must tell you, I nearly pissed myself when I read that. I salute you.

    3. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the doctor doesn't have to shove his finger up my ass to check my prostate anymore?

      He never had to. The purpose of that procedure has nothing to do with your prostate. It's intended to psychologically prepare up-tight anal-retentive homophobes for the day when they're going to have to start using enemas to regain proper bowel function. Why do you think they start when you turn 40?

    4. Re:Does this mean... by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      That gives a whole new meaning to three-fingered salute!

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    5. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For goatse, it's the three-armed salute!

  8. imagine a beowulf... by usernumber31337 · · Score: 1

    Sure it sounds great now to inject someone with the self correcting units, but what happens when they start to replicate out of control? introduce tiny snakes to eat them?

    1. Re:imagine a beowulf... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SKINNER: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.

      LISA: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?

      SKINNER: No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

      LISA: But aren't the snakes even worse?

      SKINNER: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

      LISA: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

      SKINNER: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

    2. Re:imagine a beowulf... by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure it sounds great now to inject someone with the self correcting units, but what happens when they start to replicate out of control? introduce tiny snakes to eat them?

      What it sounds like they've done is invented a very, very simplified cell. It doesn't have the ability to reproduce, and will probably get cleaned up by the immune system in short order.

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    3. Re:imagine a beowulf... by Oxygen99 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that simply result in a different cancer? Cells replicating uncontrollably is an almost identical problem so the chances are you wouldn't be much worse off than the original problem...

      You pays your money and takes your choice, I guess. Personally being killed by an army of mutant robot bugs is waaay cooler...

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    4. Re:imagine a beowulf... by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Informative

      No risk of that with these things. As I understand it, they'll inject a bunch of these into you, and the computers will circulate for a while, cleaning up cancer cells, until the computers get destroyed by your immune system. No reproduction, and no risk beyond a bad immune reaction.

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    5. Re:imagine a beowulf... by Oxygen99 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what it sounds like, but the article is a bit scant on details.

      At risk of being a bit populist: (In best Jeff Goldblum voice)

      "But... Life will find a way"... ;o)

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    6. Re:imagine a beowulf... by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bearing in mind, of course, that many diseases, even fatal ones, amount to little more than a bad immune reaction.

      The body has a distressing tendency to commit suicide in a panic over having done seed a germ.

      KFG

    7. Re:imagine a beowulf... by birkhouse · · Score: 1

      The bad immune response that you are discussing in your comment is actually of paramount importance. Gene therapy research in living human subjects has been effectively stoped for exactly this reason (i.e. the case of the UP trial that killed a volunteer because of a tremendous immune response) along with other more genetic --> cancer concerns. The immune response is not "bad" its just what your body is programmed to do, however depending on the nature of your body's reaction these introducing these computers would probably be a fatal proposition. This is a interesting concept but most certainly not a pratical application of nanotech.

    8. Re:imagine a beowulf... by statusbar · · Score: 1

      IANAG (i am not a geneticist) but isn't one of the 'features' of DNA the ability to be duplicated easily with a 'Polymerase Chain Reaction'?

      Plus, DNA strands that can get into a healthy cell sometimes can be amalgamated? There were reports of lab mice getting genes from the food that they ate (with radioactive isotopes to allow tracing).

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    9. Re:imagine a beowulf... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't directly get the genes. You digest food, which will (usually) contain genetic material, and you break that material down into its component proteins.

      You then use those to build your own genetic material for your replacement cells. Tracing isotopes mixed in will also enter your cells along with the proteins.

  9. Microscopic Computer? by thrillbert · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is Dennis Quaid driving it?

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    1. Re:Microscopic Computer? by anthonyclark · · Score: 1

      Nope, much worse;

      Donald Pleasence

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  10. At the doctor office. by sls1j · · Score: 3, Funny

    "That DNA computer you gave me got a virus."

    Doctor says, "How do you know?"

    "Because I have this obsession to mail everybody I know a vile spit... Here's a letter."

    1. Re:At the doctor office. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that you wouldnt be alive to tell that..

      AC

    2. Re:At the doctor office. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, who ever heard of a non-lethal virus.

  11. oss by theguywhosaid · · Score: 5, Funny

    i for one, welcome our new closed source gene modifying software overlords

    1. Re:oss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other obvious obligatory jokes which must be gotten out of the way:

      Yeah, but does it run Linux?
      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!
      Natalie Portman does not need this. Hot Grits, on the other hand...

      Step one: DNA Computer
      Step two: ???
      Step three: Profit!

      There! They're made!

    2. Re:oss by darth_MALL · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, DNA computer is injected into YOU! oh...wait.

    3. Re:oss by garbletext · · Score: 1

      grandparent did make an obligatory joke, which was bad, but raises a legitamate issue. If this software is closed source, would you trust it to muck about inside your body?

    4. Re:oss by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 1

      It's not 'software' in any traditional sense. It's a hardwired chemical design. It's not something you take home, tweak, and recompile.

      It's like comparing Apples to Buicks.

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    5. Re:oss by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      It's like comparing Apples to Buicks.

      But don't those both run on the same IBM chips?

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    6. Re:oss by bfg9000 · · Score: 1

      i for one, welcome our new closed source gene modifying software overlords

      No, you don't. That's just the chip talking!

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  12. FIRST HALF IS ALL YOU GET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    By Patricia Reaney

    LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists have come a step closer to creating a minuscule DNA computer that may one day be able to spot diseases like cancer from inside the body and release a drug to treat it.

    Professor Ehud Shapiro and researchers at Israel's Weizmann Institute constructed the world's smallest biomolecular computer a few years ago.

    Now they have programmed it to analyse biological information to detect and treat prostate cancer and a form of lung cancer in laboratory experiments.

    "We've taken our earlier molecular computer and augmented it with an input and output module. Together the computer can diagnose a disease and in response produce a drug for the disease in a test tube," Shapiro told Reuters.

    The microscopic computer is so minuscule a trillion could fit in a drop of water. Its input, output and software are made up of DNA molecules -- which store and process encoded information about living organisms.

    "Our work represents the first actual proof of concept and the first actual demonstration of a possible real-life application for this kind of computer," Shapiro added.

    DIAGNOSING CANCER WITHIN THE CELL

    The findings, which are published online by the science journal Nature and were presented at a symposium in Brussels, Belgium, could transform how diseases like cancer are treated in the future.

    Instead of biopsies to remove cancerous tissue, which then must be analysed in the laboratory. The DNA computer could potentially diagnose the disease within the tissue in the body.

    "Our medical computer might one day be administered as a drug, and be distributed throughout the body by the bloodstream to detect disease markers autonomously and independently in every cell," said Shapiro.

    It could enable doctors to treat cancer in its earliest stages before tumours have formed and to deliver drugs to hard-to-reach cells if the disease has spread to other parts of the body.
    Different inputs could be used to detect other diseases.

    "It could work for any illness for which there is a particular pattern of over-expression or under-expression of genes which is characteristic for the disease," according to Shapiro.

    He readily admits that a DNA computer roaming around the body spotting and treating disease is still a long way away.

    "There are many, many hurdles. It could take decades," Shapiro said, adding that he and his colleagues had not expected to accomplish this step so quickly.

    The double helix molecule of DNA that contains human genes stores data on four chemical bases -- known by the letters A, T, C and G -- giving it massive memory capability.

    Shapiro's DNA computer is a molecular model of one of the simplest computing machines -- the automaton, which can answer certain yes or no questions.

    It uses enzymes, which manipulate DNA, as the computer's hardware. The computer is preprogrammed with medical information and detects markers, or concentrations of certain molecules of RNA (a cousin of DNA) which are overproduced or underproduced to detect the cancer.

    If the markers signify a disease, the output releases a molecule similar to an anti-cancer drug to destroy the cancerous cells.

    Leonard Adleman, of the University of Southern California, pioneered the field of DNA computers a decade ago by using DNA in a test tube to solve a mathematical problem.

  13. Prostate huh? by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 2, Funny
    And where would the injection point be?

    Man (shudders), what would the injection DEVICE look like.

    Bend over, here comes big daddy computer. ack.

    1. Re:Prostate huh? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      And where would the injection point be?

      [W]hat would the injection DEVICE look like.


      You have to ask?

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  14. Re:Story pulled? by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 3, Informative

    No it isn't, but since you're having trouble:

    LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists have come a step closer to creating a minuscule DNA computer that may one day be able to spot diseases like cancer from inside the body and release a drug to treat it.

    Professor Ehud Shapiro and researchers at Israel's Weizmann Institute constructed the world's smallest biomolecular computer a few years ago.

    Now they have programmed it to analyse biological information to detect and treat prostate cancer and a form of lung cancer in laboratory experiments.

    "We've taken our earlier molecular computer and augmented it with an input and output module. Together the computer can diagnose a disease and in response produce a drug for the disease in a test tube," Shapiro told Reuters.

    The microscopic computer is so minuscule a trillion could fit in a drop of water. Its input, output and software are made up of DNA molecules -- which store and process encoded information about living organisms.

    "Our work represents the first actual proof of concept and the first actual demonstration of a possible real-life application for this kind of computer," Shapiro added.

    DIAGNOSING CANCER WITHIN THE CELL

    The findings, which are published online by the science journal Nature and were presented at a symposium in Brussels, Belgium, could transform how diseases like cancer are treated in the future.

    Instead of biopsies to remove cancerous tissue, which then must be analysed in the laboratory. The DNA computer could potentially diagnose the disease within the tissue in the body.

    "Our medical computer might one day be administered as a drug, and be distributed throughout the body by the bloodstream to detect disease markers autonomously and independently in every cell," said Shapiro.

    It could enable doctors to treat cancer in its earliest stages before tumours have formed and to deliver drugs to hard-to-reach cells if the disease has spread to other parts of the body.

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  15. But it's fun! by MacFury · · Score: 3, Funny
    does this mean that the doctor doesn't have to shove his finger up my ass to check my prostate anymore?

    Just because he doesn't have to doesn't mean he won't. :-)

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    1. Re:But it's fun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LINK IS NOT SAFE FOR WORK!

  16. Mutation? by Dekar · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What if the computer accidentally got a mutation, and instead of recognizing cancer patterns, it would recognize and "treat" normal patterns?

    Would it release some kind of drug that damages regular cells?

    I know it's not supposed to happen, but cancer isn't supposed to happen in the first place either...

    1. Re:Mutation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rest assured, the militaries of the world are investigating this very possibility as we speak.

    2. Re:Mutation? by theguywhosaid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      im prolly retarded, but ive read the article a few times, and as far as i can tell, its not a computer, its a program. DNA software that (in soviet russia) runs on YOU

    3. Re:Mutation? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      What if the computer accidentally got a mutation, and instead of recognizing cancer patterns, it would recognize and "treat" normal patterns?

      I'm sure they would catch a bad batch in QC. Having said that, depending on what the payload is, it could be benign (dumping some nucleotide sequences that want to hybridize with cancer-esque RNA won't do much), or horribe (dumping some nucleotide sequences that want to hybridize with RNA sequences needed to produce ... Na/K channels would suck somewhat). Excepting bad immune responses to whatever the payload is (in which case you likely lose whether the DNA computer is working properly or not), if the payload only acts on (binds to) cancer products (many to most current chemotherapy treatments), normal cells won't be disrupted.

      However, it is very unlikely that all of the cancer-recognitiion sequences in a DNA computer (the article describes four used by the researchers, adding more should be comparatively trivial) would be simutaneously broken in such a way that only good cells would be treated and that all bad cells are ignored. In that unlikely event, the DNA computers that release the anti-drug (which inhibits whatever the bad DNA computer would be releasing) would scrub most of the payload by releasing the anti-drug or inhibitors in great quantities in the healthy cells only, as the drug DNA computers and anti-drug DNA computers are simutaneously administered.

      Mis-recognition of healthy cells will be more of an issue once the payload becomes more sophisticated, for example, by having the DNA computers permanently correct things in the nuclear DNA instead of just temporarily screwing with cytoplasmic contents. But that's a few years off.

      -M5B

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  17. Take your pick from these lame comments by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny
    • Imagine a beowulf cluster of these inside you
    • All your cells are belong to us
    • Wow, imagine being infected with spyware and so everywhere you looked a little box with a penis enlargement ad appeared in the top right hand corner of your vision
    • Then SCO claims the system uses some of their code and they now OWN YOUR ASS
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    1. Re:Take your pick from these lame comments by Oxygen99 · · Score: 1

      And in Soviet Russia all your jokes belong to me!

      Are we done now?!

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    2. Re:Take your pick from these lame comments by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      ...Yep, thanks for that one, this subject's now fully done. No more comments from anyone please.
      G'nite all.

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    3. Re:Take your pick from these lame comments by rabel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but my DNA computer crashed and I had to take a dump to retrieve it.

    4. Re:Take your pick from these lame comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Missing options:
      • ???
      • Profit!!!
    5. Re:Take your pick from these lame comments by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 1
      Hmm you make fun of them for all of the lame comments that appear, but it seems like this sort of list appears quite often maybe that extra bullet was

      Cue over used joke list that think they are funny for making fun of over used jokes

  18. Earlier... by antic · · Score: 4, Funny


    Thank god they didn't invent this earlier! Injecting computers... shit, computers used to be huge! Now they'd just be sticking a midi-tower into your stomach...

    Oh wait, that's going to explain the size of the average geek; they've been onto this for years!

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  19. What if DNA computer goes crazy? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Funny
    This could be a bad thing:

    "Hal, please open my bladder sphincter."

    "Sorry, Dave, I can't do that."

    *pop!* *splotsh!*

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  20. When is it gonna work? by earthstar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes,its a great invention.But when will it be practically usable?

    A great amount of euphoria was generated over the cracking of human genetic code by scientists last year...claiming it was the key to curing ALL Diseases ,Break through..etc

    But when will these inventions become really of use to the public?
    Looks like its gonna take ages to me
  21. Birth Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine a time-release implant that would be as effective as normal birth control but have none of the side-effects. Or just an effective way to have male birth control.

  22. Prostate Street by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Funny
    That computer had damn well be running a stable version of Linux if it is operating on/near/in my colon!

    While your prostate is in the general neighborhood of your colon, you might want to be more concerned about certain other organs and glands that are more directly connected to it. I'd be less worried about a colonic BSOD, than with an inability to boot, or a poorly-timed abnormal termination.

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  23. They so have to program it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to play life.

  24. Prostate? by Seoulstriker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like people are confusing prostate cancer with colo-rectal cancer. The prostate is a gland that is part of a man's sex organs and surrounds the tube called the urethra, located just below the bladder.

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    1. Re:Prostate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The prostate is a gland that is part of a man's sex organs and surrounds the tube called the urethra, located just below the bladder.

      And it is located next to the rectal segment of the colon, which provides an easy access point for physicians to check it for signs of disease, via digital probing.

  25. Think of the Maintenance Schedule by MooseByte · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Theoretically, a person could be injected with this computer, and it would detect and treat any diseased cells at the earliest stages of development..."

    Oh great, so keeping up with the latest virus defs will finally be a literal pain in the ass too....

  26. Well they built a tic-tac-toe playing DNA computer by AC-x · · Score: 1

    I guess this is the next step up. Soon enough they'll probably be able to build completely artificial DNA based "life" that can be programmed to perform various tasks , perhaps even sooner then traditional nanobots can be developed.

  27. "Computer" is Misnomer by Kevin+Nichols · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Calling it a computer is a bit of a misnomer. It's a molecule that recognizes the presences of a specific signal to release a payload. That's it. It is of course a clever trick, but the word "computer" is just a device used by the science journalists to make it sound more interesting.

    1. Re:"Computer" is Misnomer by cengique · · Score: 1

      Since this is a piece of DNA operating on the "wetware" of our body, it should be called a "program" and not a computer, IMHO.

      What is a virus then? Is that also a malicious computer running around in our body?

      A resident program in my veins, sounds like a "DNA daemon" to me.. :)

  28. No, this is the joke by cachorro · · Score: 5, Funny

    One day, in line at the company cafeteria, Jack says to Mike behind him, "My elbow hurts like hell. I guess I better see a doctor. " "Listen, don't waste time," Mike replies. "There's a diagnostic computer down at Asda. Just give it a urine sample and the computer'll tell you what's wrong and what to do about it. It takes ten seconds and costs five pounds. . . a lot quicker and better than a doctor. " So Jack deposits a urine sample in a small jar and takes it to Asda.

    He deposits five pounds, and the computer lights up and asks for the urine sample. He pours the sample into the slot and waits.

    Ten seconds later, the computer ejects a printout: "You have tennis elbow. Soak your arm in warm water and avoid heavy activity. It will improve in two weeks"

    That evening while thinking how amazing this new technology was, Jack began wondering if the computer could be fooled. He mixed some tap water, a stool sample from his dog, urine samples from his wife and daughter, and masturbated into the mixture for good measure. Jack hurries back to Asda, eager to check the results. He deposits five pounds, pours in his concoction, and awaits the results. The computer prints the following:

    1. Your tap water is too hard. Get a water softener.
    2. Your dog has ringworm. Bathe him with anti-fungal shampoo.
    3. Your daughter has a cocaine habit. Get her into rehab.
    4. Your wife is pregnant. Twins. They aren't yours. Get a lawyer.
    5. If you don't stop playing with yourself, your elbow will never get better. and thank you for shopping at Asda.

  29. Links to original article ... by lucare · · Score: 5, Informative

    Instead of reading a vague description of their results try the following two links:

    Summary from Nature's website
    Original Aritcle in Nature

    Bill

    1. Re:Links to original article ... by ron_ivi · · Score: 1
      Or you can read a fictionalized account of similar technology in a pretty cool technology-thriller book that I heard about on Slashdot a few years back.

      It's scary how many of that book's technologies seem to be really close now.

  30. Why doesn't anyone here understand... by cr0sh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...what they have done?

    If this story is true, then these researchers may have unlocked a "secret" that is incredible in scope: They have learned (in a limited manner) how to code in DNA - they have hacked nature's UTM.

    Such a discovery and the applications of its use would lead to incredible things - both for good and ill! Incredible "cures" and horrific weapons all at once! Instant death and neverending life at our fingertips! In some ways - I think this may have come too soon, and will end up killing off life on this planet - we can't even agree to disagree on our religion (never mind the fact that religion is nothing more than mythology and fantasy for grown adults), instead choosing to kill ourselves over which invisible man in the sky is better!

    DNA (and the attendent processes for its replication - heliocase, RNA primase, DNA polymerase, etc) is nothing more than a long UTM program "tape", where the GATC are the symbols for the program - and this "tape" controls the rest of the processes in the cell (ok, if you have followed this long - you can see I am *not* a biologist by any means - I likely have some things very incorrect).

    I don't know - I may be wrong - but this just seems incredible (if true)...

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    1. Re:Why doesn't anyone here understand... by BigBadBri · · Score: 5, Informative
      No - they already had a simple 'yes/no' sort of automaton.

      What they have done, which is cool, clever and generally admirable, is to add an input (detect protein A, or RNA strand B, etc.) that triggers an appropriate output (synthesise protein C, or make enzyme D to release drug E).

      This is incredibly powerful - indeed it is 90% of the way to the 'magic bullet' that was the grail of cancer research a few years back (there's no method for delivery into the cell yet, but I'm sure a viroid shell for anti-cancer drugs is possible), and the guys deserve a Nobel prize for this if it lives up to its potential.

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    2. Re:Why doesn't anyone here understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      we can't even agree to disagree on our religion (never mind the fact that religion is nothing more than mythology and fantasy for grown adults), instead choosing to kill ourselves over which invisible man in the sky is better!

      Please don't interject bigoted flamebait in your comments. We're trying to have a civil discussion. Thanks.

    3. Re:Why doesn't anyone here understand... by tfoss · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What they have done, which is cool, clever and generally admirable, is to add an input (detect protein A, or RNA strand B, etc.) that triggers an appropriate output (synthesise protein C, or make enzyme D to release drug E).

      While I agree what they've done is cool and clever, your comment (as well as the linked article, and even the paper itself) are somewhat overstating the actual accomplishment. The original Nature paper this refers to is pretty confusing as it really tries to keep the computer analogy up throughout the whole thing. As best as I can decipher through a quick read-through (and IAABiochemist), they synthesized some long single-stranded DNA molecules. Period. The clever part about it was designing a sequence that, when bound to certain mRNA molecules, will present a known restriction enzyme cleavage site. The restriction enzyme cleaves at that site, and the resultant, shorter molecule can repeat this with a different mRNA molecule. Wash rinse repeat.

      This system, and mind you, this is only a model system created in a test tube, free of all the myriad cellular components that might muck it up, only involves inputs and outputs that are small nucliec acids. They do nothing to synthesize, make, or create any proteins (or drugs in the typical sense). The "drug" in this case, is simply a short strand of ssDNA that can prevent the translation of a specific mRNA sequence. The fact that you can do that is, in itself, tremendously cool and potentially therapeutically useful, but is far from novel.

      My beef with this it that, while in the strictest sense it might be a "computer," that is a loaded word that implies far more than this research actually delivers. It is a computer in the same sense that the door lock on your car is. It can distinguish a pre-designed set of inputs (certain mRNA sequences vs. a certain set of hills and valleys on your key), and react by either doing something (get cleaved to release a toxic DNA sequence vs. allowing you to physically turn the lock) or not. So, while a novel application of nucleic acid binding, all this talk of 'inputs, computation modules, logical control, and autonomous biomolecular computers' is mostly fluff. (Granted, to get published in Nature or Science you generally need a level of such fluff).

      -Ted

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    4. Re:Why doesn't anyone here understand... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Granted, it really wasn't necessary for the response, but how is this "bigoted"? I have no problem with people who believe in an invisble man in the sky (or "around you", or "in your heart", etc). If they want to believe that, fine.

      I only wish they would own up to what they are believing in. Why is it that Santa Clause can't exist (and is a children's story), but "God" can (isn't the notion of "God" merely a comforting story for adults)? Both are invisible, both live in "mysterious" places, both have "amazing" powers (ok, one's powers is much more amazing than the other) - so whats the difference. Further more, since no one can prove that any of this exists (for any so-called "god"), why can't all have a place in the world? Why do we kill each other over what amount to "fantasies"?

      Are we as adults really this childish...?

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    5. Re:Why doesn't anyone here understand... by WillWare · · Score: 1
      They have learned (in a limited manner) how to code in DNA - they have hacked nature's UTM.

      The kind of Turing-machine-level hacking you're talking about has been going on since at least the early 1980s.

      You might want to read about the early history of the biotech industry, innovations such as PCR and sequencing and microarrays. For the last 10 or 15 years, there have been mail-order custom DNA synthesis services. There are now also services for sequencing. You may also have heard about the Human Genome Project which was completed about a year ago, and which gave us a nearly-complete map of the human genome.

      We now know a lot about genetic material and we are quite facile with manipulating it. The problem is that this isn't where we want to be yet. Genes code for proteins, which are the little worker bees that do everything in the cell, including providing the framework for further DNA replication. Many many diseases are essentially the result of proteins behaving badly. The place where medical miracles lie is in being good at manipulating proteins, not genes, and there's still a huge amount to learn.

      So in the world of DNA-as-Turing-machine, this is not a big deal, we're basically already there. In the (now) more important work of learning to work with proteins in clinically relevant ways, this is a very important advance.

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    6. Re:Why doesn't anyone here understand... by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
      Sorry - I'd only read the Reuters article, and assumed that their analogies were correct.

      Mea culpa, for relying on journalists!

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  31. what about advanced? by bluethundr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Theoretically, a person could be injected with this computer, and it would detect and treat any diseased cells at the earliest stages of development, perhaps preventing the disease altogether.

    I wonder if this exact or sort of treatment could be used to treat nerve damage? This could range from tinnitus, ALS, or even paralytic debilitation of the type suffered by Christopher Reeves. Also, the story makes reference to treatment in the "earliest stages of the disease". I also would wonder about the eventual possibility of it helping those in the advanced stages of such diseases.

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    1. Re:what about advanced? by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Informative
      I wonder if this exact or sort of treatment could be used to treat nerve damage?

      That's an order of magnitude larger and more complex. This article is talking about working on the molecular/celluar level to halt damage, which is why they only talk about "the earliest stages"; actually repairing damage at the tissue level (i.e. late enough in the progression that the damage is causing noticeable harm) would be substantially more difficult. That would require the kinds of construction nanobots seen in scifi, which would be substantially harder to design and build. Stem cells (which nature has kindly already engineered for us) are far more promising in that area.

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  32. misread by mastergoon · · Score: 0, Troll

    Somehow I read this as DNA Computer Defects [...]

  33. Prevent Prostate Cancer The Old-Fashioned Way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  34. NPR covered this by ianmalcm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nature Magazine has an article about Biological Nanocomputers that was linked off of NPR's All Things Considered, which discussed this issue and is worth a listen (RA AND WM9). This story was followed by the audio freezer story previously, all in all a good day for NPR news.

  35. Makes you wonder what the movation for AIDS was. by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 1

    I mean, did the alien creators have some specific purpose in mind?

    Probably we don't notice the "good" "DNA computers" that give us, only the the ones that we percieve to harm us.

  36. But can it treat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ignorance and stupidity that plagues a majority of Americans?

    Now THATS a fix!

  37. it is a computer by mulcher · · Score: 1

    technically its a SFSA which is a type of computer. So no, the journal is not using the term incorrectly. FSA (i.e. regular expressions) are also "computers", but we think of them as
    programs nowadays. But they technically "compute" a yes/no answer to a decision probably (albeit stochastically).

  38. blue screen of death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, blue screen of death...

  39. all well and good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    until you have gentetic mutaltion that is suposed ot be the next step in humana eveolution and this computer detects it as cancer and bam! humanaity is left where we are today.

    or it slams into a piece o bad cholesterol and then it start re-sequencing your DNA and the next thing you know you are a giant space chicken pecking a hole through the earth.

    1. Re:all well and good by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      suposed ot be the next step in humana eveolution

      Supposed to be? Are you suggesting that evolution has some kind of plan?

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  40. Re:When is it gonna work? by mrfunnypants · · Score: 1

    See Below:

    ChromSorter PC: A Database of Chromosomal Regions Associated with Human Prostate Cancer.

    Etim A, Zhou G, Wen X, Liu H, Ruotti V, Twigger S, Jin W, Matysiak B, Mathis J, Tonellato PJ, Datta MW.

    Our increasing use of genetic and genomic strategies to understand human prostate cancer means that we need access to simplified and integrated information present in the associated biomedical literature. In particular, microarray gene expression studies and associated genetic mapping studies in prostate cancer would benefit from a generalized understanding of the prior work associated with this disease. This would allow us to focus subsequent laboratory studies to genomic regions already related to prostate cancer by other scientific methods. We have developed a database of prostate cancer related chromosomal information from the existing biomedical literature. The input material was based on a broad literature search with subsequent hand annotation of information relevant to prostate cancer. The database was then analyzed for identifiable trends in the whole scale literature. We have used this database, named ChromSorter PC, to present graphical summaries of chromosomal regions associated with prostate cancer broken down by age, ethnicity and experimental method. In addition we have placed the database information on the human genome using the Generic Genome Browser tool that allows the visualization of the data with respect to user generated datasets. This Genome Browser and the graphical analysis of the associated data are publicly available at prostategenomics.org (http://www.prostategenomics.org/datamining/chrom- sorter_pc.html ) and additional material from the database can be obtained by contacting the authors (mdatta@mcw.edu ).

    PMID: 15113398 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

    One of many projects using the human genome to help diagnose diseases. Remember cures cannot happen overnight, but scientist are working on it.

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  41. A question about morals by Digitus1337 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What would stop someone from creating a self-perpetuating super-disease?

  42. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the funniest comment I've ever read!

  43. Re:Imagine the spam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried that, and the end dropped off ;(

  44. But... by chrisfnet · · Score: 1

    The only thing wrong with this is the fact that cancer doesn't necessarily manifest itself the same every time. Cancer, just like any other disease is evolving and will evolve... and very well could have already evolved in many people.

    Will this computer adapt to ever-changing possibilities of cancer/cancer types?

    Flu shots are never the same every year, but they work pretty well. Let's hope this works just as well too.

    1. Re:But... by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Like the flu shot, this thing would have to be programmed for specific cancers.

      In the research cited, they looked at two different kinds of cancer, lung and prostate. From each, they selected four indicators (protien and RNA levels) of the cancer in a cell. For each cancer, the DNA computer was programmed to detect (much handwaving) each of these indicators and release the attached drug sequence (which is specific to the particular cancer the computer is going after) if the correct indicators were found.

      To adapt, as you query, the DNA computer would first need to be more living-esque (at least able to reproduce in some manner), which is a different problem than simply attaching recognition sequences for indicators specific to whatever cancer we hope to treat today.

      Finding those indicators and the correct nucleotide sequences to fix whatever is causing the cell to become cancerous can be far more difficult than building this thing due to the variety of cancers and the different ways in which they interact with cells at the molecular level. Also, there's the problem that not all cancers or diseases can be grown in a lab, but I digress.

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    2. Re:But... by BigBadBri · · Score: 4, Informative
      Cancer, just like any other disease is evolving and will evolve...

      Sorry to sound abrupt, but evolving? Evolving my arse.

      Cancer isn't an organism, it's a fairly well defined malfunction in various types of cell in your body - which don't tend to evolve at all these days, due to the lack of selection pressure.

      Only a few cancers can be characterised by excess RNA or by specific marker proteins at present - that's why they have concentrated on prostrate cancer and a form of lung cancer for their proof-of-concept. As more markers are identified, this method will become more generally applicable, and you'll eventually be able to have an annual 'anti-cancer shot' that will be much the same from year to year, except for having additional cancers added to it.

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    3. Re:But... by chrisfnet · · Score: 1

      Your body adapts, and how cancer affects your body does in a sense evolve. Not every person with prostate cancer exhibits exactly the same as the other. How your body fights the cancer, forces the cells to malfunction in a different manner. Your body is essentially fighting itself - your body's reaction does evolve.

      I guess I may be using the word 'evolve' a little too loosely for the hardcore-Darwinians out there.

    4. Re:But... by chrisfnet · · Score: 2, Informative

      I apologize for the back-to-back posting.. but I figured I'd throw in a bit of my pharmacy background.

      I'm sure by your text-book definition of cancer, you're correct. However, I've seen may patients on Tamoxifen. I've been with them througout their battle(s) with cancer. Tamoxifen doesn't work for every type of breast cancer, obviously. It does work for some types, however, cancer cells do adapt (despite what you say) to conditions within the body. Suddenly, the Tamoxifen may no longer work. It's not that the body has built a tolerance to the drug, it's that the cancer cells have adapted and... evolved beyond the affects of the medicine - in order to survive.

      This of course won't be passed from person to person, though, I have my theory on cancer/genetics.. but that's another matter. However, I do think that if the trait for cancer (likelihood.. if you don't like the word trait) is passed down, would the cell's adaptation be passed too? Guess that's kind of a rhetorical question, I don't claim to know the answer.

      There are many types of cancer that DO evolve, exactly in the sense of an organism as well. TGCT is a perfect example of this.

      Anyway...

    5. Re:But... by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
      would the cell's adaptation be passed too?

      Unlikely, unless Lamarck was right - in which case I'll grow you a taller girraffe, given a few generations and a tree on a jack.

      I can see how you might interpret the failure of Tamoxifen after a period of remission as the cancer somehow 'evolving', but wouldn't hold the same interpretation myself, preferring to explain the phenomenon by the existence of a range of sensitivity to Tamoxifen among cancer cells, with the least affected cells likely to persist and eventually to dominate the tumour. They may even be different cell types - cancer is evidence of cell genome damage, so numerous cells in one locality may become damaged by a single event, and not all cells need be sensitive to the therapy used initially.

      I haven't seen any reverences to testicular cancer evolving - perhaps you could point me to some papers, as I find the subject fascinating.

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  45. not HIV -- ebola by Heisenbug · · Score: 1

    My uncle works in one of those pet cloning biotech deals, and told me several years ago that there was ebola in laboratories in Texas for the very purpose you describe. My memory is hazy, but I believe that ebola was considered the best choice because it modifies the DNA of every cell in the body, instead of only certain ones. With this idea, DNA modification is not very far from practical right now -- turn off the reproducing and killing you parts of ebola, and change the code that it wants to copy into your DNA.

    The potential applications, of course, are pretty wacky. Asthma? Gone. Peanut allergies? Gone. You're no longer one of those people who gets cancer from smoking. Change your eye color to match this season's styles -- or your skin color. Hot ...

    1. Re:not HIV -- ebola by rpresser · · Score: 1

      DNA isn't everything. There are lots and lots of molecules in a cell besides DNA; some of them have persistent concentrations that can have effects even on the next generation.

    2. Re:not HIV -- ebola by greenrd · · Score: 1
      Heresy!!! You have rejected the sacred Central Dogma of neo-Darwinism! Prepare to be excommunicated!!!!!

    3. Re:not HIV -- ebola by rpresser · · Score: 1

      Gibbs, W. Wayt. (2003). The Unseen Genome: Beyond DNA. Scientific American, 289(6), 106-113. (December 2003 issue)

      Teaser line:

      DNA was once considered the sole repository of heritable information. But biologists are starting to decipher a separate, much more malleable layer of information encoded within the chromosomes. Genetics, make way for epigenetics

      Four paragraphs from the first page:

      A genome, the sum of heritable information that is held in the chromosomes and that governs how an organism develops, is not a static text passed from one generation to the next. Rather a genome is a biochemical machine of awesome complexity. Like all machines, it operates in three-dimensional space, and it has distinct and dynamic interacting parts.

      Protein-coding genes make up just one of those parts--and often a small one at that, accounting for less than 2 percent of the total DNA in each human cell. But for the better part of five decades, those genes were enshrined by the central dogma of molecular biology as the repository of heritable traits. Hence the notion of the genome as a blueprint.

      As far back as the 1960s, experimenters had uncovered important information hiding elsewhere in the chromosomes. Some was tucked among the "noncoding" DNA, and some lay outside the DNA sequence altogether. The tools of genetic engineering worked best on conventional genes and proteins, however, so scientists looked hardest where the light was brightest. In recent years, geneticists have been exploring the less visible parts of the genome more thoroughly, in search of explanations for anomalies that contradict the central dogma: illnesses that run in families but pop up unpredictably, even differing among identical twins; genes that switch on or off in cancers yet harbor no mutations; clones that usually die in the womb. They have found that these second and third layers of information, distinct from the protein-coding genes, connect in surprisingly deep and potent ways to inheritance, development and disease. In the November issue of Scientific American, "The Unseen Genome: Gems among the Junk" described those connections for the second layer, which consists of myriad "RNA only" genes sequestered within vast stretches of noncoding DNA. Science had dismissed such DNA as the useless detritus of evolution, because no proteins are made from it. But it turns out that these unconventional genes do give rise to active RNAs, through which they profoundly alter the behavior of normal genes. Malfunctions in RNA-only genes can inflict severe damage.

      The third part to the genomic machine, as fascinating as active RNA genes and probably even more important, is the "epigenetic" layer of information stored in the proteins and chemicals that surround and stick to DNA. Epigenetic marks are so named because they can dramatically affect the health and characteristics of an organism--some are even passed from parent to child--yet they do not alter the underlying DNA sequence.

  46. I have a friend... by staynz79au · · Score: 1

    ... who is working on similar research. She intends to make this sort of thing for quick and easy tests for diseases instead of the painful, long process of blood tests and swabs. Make a protein and "program" it to look for a certain disease, if it finds that disease it "grabs" it and signals to you that it's there. Think of the uses for this, doctors could difinitively diagnose patients in a matter of minutes, with just little protein. It's a great idea.

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  47. BAD IDEA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    E.Coli is great for in vitro experiments, but it has a nasty habit of mutating. A lot.

  48. Even better links to original article ... by zAmb0ni · · Score: 4, Informative
  49. Resistance is Futile! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the beginnings of Borg civilization to me.

  50. Been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using a retrovirus to alter DNA in humans and change our genome for the better isn't exactly breaking news. It has been tried in gene therapy experiments in France (SCID) for a few years now with limited sucess. We already have the ability to take a piece of DNA and plop it down in the genome; however, there is no way to determine where the DNA will be inserted and there is no way to direct its insertion. Basically, a reverse transcriptase takes the RNA from the virus and inserts it into the genome wherever the nucleosomes are currently unwound. The problem with this is when the new "good gene" gets put in the middle of an old "important gene" and causes the old gene to lose its function. This may seem almost impossible considering the size of the genome (3 Gigabases) and the small number of genes (~40 kilobases). However, if you think about it, the most available spots on the genome are those who are activly doing something (and currently unwound.)

  51. DNA & DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    just wondering... is DNA ressearch illegal under DMCA? it's sort of decompiling the genetic source code in a certain way

    1. Re:DNA & DMCA by Behrooz · · Score: 1

      Yes God just spoke to me about it.

      He says that this is technically illegal under the DMCA, but God has agreed that he won't sue if the researchers send in signed confessions and promise not to do it again.

      Personally, I was hoping that a message from God would be more personally enlightening and personally relevant, but what can you do?

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      "We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in tolerance and free speech." - David Brin
  52. Mark Twain? (Re:No, this is the joke) by mi · · Score: 1

    Good spoof, but, I think, I read something like this before. And I think, the author's death is no longer exaggerated :-( It was about the well-water sent out for testing, and the result was: "Your horse has diabetes."

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  53. Is skepticism only reserved for vaporware? by hung_himself · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Guys - read the abstract of the Nature article: (http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/ nature/journal/v414/n6862/abs/414430a0_fs.html). It describes a very very basic step - not the Star Trek applications in the newspaper articles. Mainstream science writers are even worse than computer ones so use a similar standard of skepticism you would for a Microsoft press release. With Google, there is no longer any excuse for blindly believing hack journalism...

  54. Wetware? by quinkin · · Score: 1
    From my memory of DNA (hazy) there are areas that are roughly analogous to both hardware and software within a single strand (counters vs. amino folders for instance).

    The OSS principles apply to both hardware and software and hence to wetware(sic) as well.

    Q.

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  55. /. jumping ahead of time.. by Mr+Europe · · Score: 1

    Isn't the /. story exaggerating again ? The quotation says:
    "have developed a DNA computer which can automatically detect and treat prostate cancer..."
    And the real story says:
    "have come a step closer to creating a minuscule DNA computer that may one day be able to spot diseases like cancer..."
    And later on
    There are many, many hurdles. It could take decades.

    1. Re:/. jumping ahead of time.. by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Did you not read yesterday? We'll have nanofactories in decades, so we have to work now!

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  56. Get a grip by jandersen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, come on, fellows...

    Every time somebody comes out with a sentence containing 'DNA' and 'computer', it is immediately believed. This article is clearly very, very specualtive. Yes, somebody has created something that looks a computer when seen from a certain angle and in not too strong light. Anything that even approaches a first, simple practical application for this kind of thing is probably decades away, if indeed it ever happens. Beginning to talk about releasing a 'DNA computer' into somebody and actually attacking cancer cells is pure science fiction. The hurdles that must be overcome are staggering; before we can even contemplate something like that, we need to thoroughly understand how life works in all details - considering the speed with which research progresses now and the fact that we have only just begun to scratch the surface, I would say this is at least a couple of centuries away.

    I don't think people in general appreciate just how complex the chemical processes that support life are. Believe you me, we're not talking about simple things, like eg. memorising the exact position of all grains of sand in the Sahara.

    I am not surprised to find this kind of article in Nature; they have often published dubious results - they are after all a popular magazine rather than a scientific journal. Also, I think in recent years there have been a number of highly doubtful 'results' that seem to originate in Israel; this, by the way, is simply an observation, not an expression of any 'anti-semitism', in case you wondered.

  57. ...or if it gets Windows ?!?!? by DrYak · · Score: 1

    In related news : Microsoft announced it'll launch soon a product named Windows DNA (internally codenamed Clyster), and has begun a campaign of FUD against Weizmann Institute's computer. SCO has filed a suit against Weizmann Institute, claiming their computer uses portion of some of SOC's copyrighted project, but SCO lawyers refuse to reveal publicly witch.

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    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
  58. A DNA computer that can treat lung cancer... by Eminor · · Score: 1

    Good, I can keep smoking forever.

  59. What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the privacy?

  60. Finally, someone taking the right direction by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the direction that DNA and gene research need to be focusing on. True genetic therapy must be targeted. Just throwing a gene into a virus and having it deposited in cells all over the body is a wrong approach. Its treating us as if every cell is the ultimate stem cell. That's not at all true because our cells have differentiated. True genetic therapy has to be able to fix the DNA in very specific cells so that the protein byproducts are properly placed per where they are needed and where the body's regulation mechanisms are present to control them.

    My interest in this area is actually selfish. I have two children who would be perfect candidates for early generations of technology like this. They have a severe form of Myotonic Muscular Dystrophy. MMD has been traced to being the result of a simple unstable sequence in one of the chromosomes. When replicated, this sequence tends to stretch. So, CTGCTG becomes CTGCTGCTGCTGCTG. The severity of the disease is at least partially indicated by the number of repeats. Theirs is in the 1000s. This repeated sequence in the middle of the chromosome, though apparently not on an active gene, apparently interferes with the proper operation of its neighbors. The interesting thing to me is the simplicity and uniqueness of the pattern. This pattern is apparently a flawed and unstable one that can be taken out wherever it exists without causing problems. i.e. it should never exist in DNA. So, if a compound could be designed that "recognizes" this pattern and no others, snips it out, and mates the broken DNA back together without this piece in the middle, you'd have a cure for the genetic flaw. So, this is one of the simplest DNA problems that could be pursued with technology like this.

  61. Should They be Rewarded? by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1
    Should they be rewarded for this development? If successful, it could lead to the prolonging of millions of lives. Surely that deserves something. Those who oppose the patent system outright would take away that reward--and the incentive to do such research. Yeah, some folks might want to do it on their own, but it's filthy expensive to do, and so the only way any work would get done is if some rich guy decided to spend his money on it.

    Now, a more nuanced view of the patent system would have no problem with rewarding these guys while not giving Microsoft a monopoly on timed button presses.

  62. borg implants by xpyr · · Score: 1

    Soon enough we'll have these tiny computers in all of us to fight all kinds of disease. Resistance is futile.

  63. True scoop indeed... by vuo · · Score: 0

    "Computer does something actually useful"

  64. Re:When is it gonna work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will computers be useful on the desktop of every home?
    it took years, but almost all desktops in countries like canada, USA, germany, etc. etc. etc....

    Why ask questions with infinite answers? just do somthing about it.

    just DO.