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Videogame Character Threatens National Security?

Watchful Babbler writes "Apparently, 'the lead item on the government's daily threat matrix one day last April' was clear and definite: a reclusive millionaire had formed a terrorist group with the intent of launching chemical weapons attacks on Western cities. The White House was notified and the Director of the FBI briefed as the government raced to find information. But then, according to USNews.com, a White House staffer decided to Google for information on suspected threat Don Emilio Fulci and found him -- in a video game - Sega's action title Headhunter. No word on exactly which sources and methods came up with this gem, but word in the E Ring is that Fulci had issued the cryptic warning, 'You have no chance to survive make your time'."

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  1. Hmmm by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like the government was trolled.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Bobdoer · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, do you think they'd fall for the Goaste link? Or would they be more susceptible to Tubgirl?

    2. Re:Hmmm by Frymaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      -1 national security threat

    3. Re:Hmmm by mfh · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Sounds like the government was trolled.
      By Sega, no less!

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    4. Re:Hmmm by Bobdoer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      With their history of it, I can't say I'm surprised.

    5. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, the Goatse Guy *is* in fact a threat to National Security. He is clearly demonstrating a viable way to smuggle WMD's across the border.

    6. Re:Hmmm by jacumba · · Score: 2, Funny

      He was going to attack using his diabolical new weapon which could make DiHydrogen Monoxide fall from the sky!

    7. Re:Hmmm by DavidBrown · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, do you think they'd fall for the Goaste link? Or would they be more susceptible to Tubgirl?

      I think that Goatse was implicated in the recent Iraqi prisoner mistreatment scandal.

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    8. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Obviously this is equivalent to fighting mp3 downloads by filling p2p networks with fake songs; a form of steganography. The real-life reclusive millionare, Mr. Don Emilio Fulci, has simply asked his fellow conspirators at Sony to make a video game of his terrorist plans. Now he can conduct his planning in the open, and everyone will think that the web pages on which he is plotting the atrocities he's bound to commit and recruiting bored geeks to his terrorist cells, calling them 'clans', are simply innocent, game-related fan sites.

    9. Re:Hmmm by wackysootroom · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't you mean weapons of *ass* destruction?

  2. Notice how the date is in April? by foidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Could the world's most elaborate April fools be amiss?

    1. Re:Notice how the date is in April? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Could it be that you are all being had? Did anyone here bother to cross-examine the validity of this story or do any research? I guess when Slashdotters take things on faith they *must* be right because, well, that's just how the world works. Facts are facts because they fulfill our wildest fantasies.

      *sigh*

    2. Re:Notice how the date is in April? by DJStealth · · Score: 4, Funny

      I once had a security officer in an Airport stop to ask me "Where is South Park" (I was wearing a South Park T-shirt with writing in Hebrew & English), trying not to laugh, I responded that its a TV show. He then proceeded to ask me to take off my shoes and checked me for explosives.

  3. In other news by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

    Government sues Mario. Nintendo execs in jail...

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    1. Re:In other news by KeeperS · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not surprised. Mario is a communist, after all.

    2. Re:In other news by Chalybeous · · Score: 2, Funny

      He wouldn't be the first fictional character to do so. If I were in the US, I'd be voting Cthulhu for President - after all, why settle for the lesser evil? ;-)

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  4. Amazing by DiscordOfFive · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. At least we know their intel gathering stuff works.... It just can't tell reality from fantasy.

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  5. Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just recruit Mario Mario and his brother Luigi Mario. They're able to stop any trouble that comes their way.

    Oh, you may need to pardon them for their mushroom usage, but it's for a good cause.

  6. Is it me.... by WarlockD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... or is terrorism winning?

    It certainly feels like evey time we get a false positive we panic.

    1. Re:Is it me.... by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The poster says the lead item on the government's daily threat matrix, in quotes as though he was quoting the article, which says no such thing.

      Keep in mind the nature of the source, sort of a tongue-in-cheek political gossip column as well.

      Some guy phoned in a tip, some low-level FBI grunt kicked it up the chain - as is his job. It was later found to be a hoax and thrown out. There was no panic or mayhem.

      This happens all the time, everyone from assholes to crazies phone in to report bad guys from movies, etc. I remember reading an article about the rash of calls law enforcement got after Silence of the Lambs came out - people actually thought Hannibal Lecter was a real guy.

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    2. Re:Is it me.... by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Okay, fair deal. You try being National Security Advisor for a day.

      It's their job to separate real threats from, well, fantasy threats. It always has, and they happened to suck it up one September day three years ago. Repeatedly, may I add.

      What's the alternative? Close your eyes and hope? Iraq or not, September 11 or not, there's always going to be someone that doesn't like America, and there will always be people shouting "1984" when the gov't decides to do something, and people holding pictures of loved ones killed by terrorists when the gov't doesn't prevent incidents.

      Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

  7. Again an example... by j0keralpha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of a very knee-jerk reaction to security here in the US... What I dont get is how Grade B (uncorroborated, domestic, single-informant) information winds up at the top of the threat matrix, unless someone was trying to play a joke?

    1. Re:Again an example... by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of a very knee-jerk reaction to security here in the US

      Knee-jerk in what way? I don't remember Fulci being placed at the top of the Most Wanted List. Was there an APB put out for him? Did Bush get in front of the microphones and say we had a new, greater, enemy in the war on terror? No, some nutjob phoned in a "tip", and after it went through various channels someone discovered it was a hoax. It happens all the time, nothing to see here, move along.

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  8. I also hear... by decipher_saint · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...that the Princess has been captured again. Good thing Google is up to date on terrorist kidnappings too.

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    1. Re:I also hear... by geekschmoe · · Score: 4, Funny

      sorry mario, but your terrorist leader is in another castle!

    2. Re:I also hear... by MisterFancypants · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, Dubya, but the WMDs are in another bunker !!!!!

    3. Re:I also hear... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Funny

      After what The Pentagon thought was successful military invasion to rescue that princess, they discovered what they thought was the woman and brought her out only to be told "Thank you GWB, but our princess is in another castle!"

  9. CAPPS II by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder if he was added to the CAPPS II system as a "no fly" person.

    John.

  10. not released in the US by L-Train8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't think the Dreamcast game Headhunter was ever released in the US. You can find PAL versions on eBay, and some game websites have old stories on the game, (for example, gamespot.com), but the stories don't indicate a release date, or if the game ever actually came out. Only in Europe and Japan apparently, although the sequel, Headhunter: Redemption is slated for US release on PS2 and XBox

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  11. FBI Tipster revealed to be drunken frat boy by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Informative

    When asked for a name, he responded "I. P. Freely".

    This links comes from what amounts to a trashy "dc insider" gossip column. Though, this sort of stuff happens all the time. People phone in bogus tips all the time. If they sound legit, they get investigated.

    I also object to the articles description of Headhunter as "popular".

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  12. DOS attack on use non-intelligence by sPaKr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the US can so call intelligence community can be fooled into sending out alerts based on a Sega game how hard can it be fore AlQuda to send out false threats to yo-yo with the servalince. Since all this does is tell real people to do things sooner or later they will get tired and ignore the warnings thus allowing for a real threat to go further then it would without the DOS attack. I mean the terrorist aholes should start scaring people left and right, force the threat level up and down. How much risk is there to leak false intelligance.. then not follow through. Sooner or later we will get fed up, let our guard down and whamo they get a free ride. Jebus I really should wash my gray hat its looking darker and darker every day.

  13. "Sir, we've received a terrorist threat!" by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Against what?"

    "Every single military installation worldwide!"

    "Really? What did it say?"

    "'All Your Base Are Belong To Us."

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    1. Re:"Sir, we've received a terrorist threat!" by in7ane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not funny, and I quote:

      "a borderline terrorist threat depending on what someone interprets it to mean."

      /struggling to keep a straight face.

  14. Almost unbelievable... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 5, Informative

    The story is so silly it's almost unbelievable.

    But then Powell used a Graduate Student's Thesis to justify a war against Iraq in front of the entire world.

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    1. Re:Almost unbelievable... by Kruid · · Score: 2, Informative
      I believe that was Tony "the lapdog" Blair, hence the article's reference to "No. 10" as in 10 Downing St.

      We should give credit where credit is due.

      -k

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    2. Re:Almost unbelievable... by cheezedawg · · Score: 5, Informative

      The story is so silly it's almost unbelievable.

      Its a freaking rumor. It probably has little truth behind it.

      But then Powell used a Graduate Student's Thesis to justify a war against Iraq in front of the entire world.

      No he didn't. Here is the text of Powell's UN address. He didn't mention anything from the UK dossier.

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    3. Re:Almost unbelievable... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it was Usenet, someone could just quote your message and add some joke about cruise missles. Then it could be used in court against you. That has already happened to Keith Henson.

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    4. Re:Almost unbelievable... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He didn't mention anything from the UK dossier.

      He praised the document. Here's a quote from Powell's speech (On 2/5/03):

      I would call my colleagues' attention to the fine paper that the United Kingdom distributed yesterday which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities.

      The paper in question was "Iraq - its infrastructure of concealment, deception and intimidation".

      Number 10 Downing Street later admited that they plagerized a document from a Graduate Thesis (Search for "Iraq"). This certainly puts the quality of some of the intellegence in question.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,8909 16 ,00.html

      I'm not arguing with accuracy of the text itself. But look,
      this was Bush's chance to provide inarguable evidence that we should go to War.

      Powell was presenting the President's argument for War in Iraq in front of the whole world.

      The US is supposed to be the greatest nation in the world. We go to war only as a last resort and only when are arguments are sound and just. Right?

      Bush could have convinced the entire world if he had used quality evidence, when a huge percentage of the world (and the US) doubted the reasons for war.

      So what does Powell, when presenting this inarguable evidence, cite as a "fine paper"? A document was was largely lifted from a Graduate Student thesis.

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  15. Did they get this info removed from google? by GraZZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny, I googled and got nothing but the news story. Even googling without the quotes doesn't give anything about the game.

    Does the US Gov't have hooks into google to prevent "Terrorist" information from being found?

    1. Re:Did they get this info removed from google? by yeremein · · Score: 4, Informative

      When I tried "Don Emilio Fulci", I got one result, in French, which is a review for the video game.

      Also, Googling for "Don Fulci" gives several results related to Headhunter.

    2. Re:Did they get this info removed from google? by hool5400 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try google for "Don Fulci" or "Don Fulci headhunter" . A lot more hits.

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    3. Re:Did they get this info removed from google? by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was realeased worldwide for PS2.

      There was moderate hype about it, but it was completely eclipsed by Metal Gear Solid SOL - of which Headhunter is but a second rate clone.

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  16. They Got Told by RabidChicken · · Score: 2, Funny

    *NSA Laughs and nervously rubs neck*
    Yeah, that Splinter Cell is just a silly ol' game too.

  17. Today's Threat Matrix by raehl · · Score: 4, Funny

    NYC sewer system may be target of a disgruntled mafia splinter group, ringleaders believed to be two brothers named Mario and Luigi.

  18. Aha! by sterno · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would explain the missing WMD's quite nicely :)

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    1. Re:Aha! by MagikSlinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He did show proof, but as the inspectors pointed out, it wasn't the legal standard of proof they needed. They were shown documents and videos of weapon program destruction, but because specific ammounts, etc. weren't recorded, he got in trouble because he couldn't prove he destroyed exactly 20,000 litres of VX.

      But as it turns out, Hussein's scientists probably lied to him about the original estimates anyway.

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    2. Re:Aha! by cheezedawg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Saddam never opened up for us to "come look". There were a dozen UNSEC resolutions during the 1990's condemning him for his lack of cooperation. In 1998 he completely gave up the pretense of cooperating and forced the inspectors to leave. It took 250,000 troops on his doorstep in 2003 to make him change his mind. And even then, he was unable to account for all of the weapons that UNMOVIC knew he had.

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    3. Re:Aha! by cheezedawg · · Score: 2

      Good question. If Saddam had actually complied with the UN resolutions, we would know the answer to that question, now wouldn't we?

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  19. Here's proof... by sirgoran · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That the government flunkies don't get out enough.

    Don't they know that "all work and no play makes jack a dull boy"?

    Perhaps we need to coin a new acronym.

    How about "DSFR".

    Do Some Freaking Reasearch.

    -Goran

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  20. If you ask that sort of question ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    or in fact ask any questions or even allow yourself in the solitary darkness to in any way doubt the true path that our holy warriors have been set by our commander in chief and recipient of the true word, then the terrorists have won.

    A relocation expert from sunny Guantanamo Bay will be coming by in a few minutes to assist you in understanding the heretical error in your ways. I hope you're photogenic.

  21. Cover for real terrorists by HermesHuang · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once this story gets out someone's going to realize that they can disguise an underground movement by naming it after a video game's bad guys. Then the FBI will think it's just a video game clan.

  22. Something's fishy. by jamonterrell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I just googled, I saw nothing of the like... only 3 results, the usnews article was the top then some french article I didn't bother to read. Anyone know of this character or even the game? I'm not really a Sega person... speaking of which... Sega? When was the last time you saw a Sega? And htis happened last April.... hmm... something fishy.

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    1. Re:Something's fishy. by ReciprocityProject · · Score: 2, Informative

      When I just googled, I saw nothing of the like... only 3 results, the usnews article was the top then some french article I didn't bother to read. Anyone know of this character or even the game? I'm not really a Sega person... speaking of which... Sega? When was the last time you saw a Sega? And htis happened last April.... hmm... something fishy.

      Try googling "Don Fulci" instead of the full name. "Emilio Fulci" also got a little bit, but "Don Fulci" brings up a lot. I didn't see the article but didn't look very hard either.

      Also I think the "French" article was actually Italian, despite google's attempt to translate from the French, but I don't know either language.

      As for Sega, I've never heard of that. ;-)

  23. Another News Flash by rinkjustice · · Score: 2, Funny

    Somebody better tell the US government there's flaming skull guys floating around too (and they look like they're up to no good).

  24. Gameshark by The_Rippa · · Score: 4, Funny

    We'll, then all the FBI has to do is plug in their Gameshark and enter the following codes...

    Hero Is Immortal 24509328 36F055F8
    Enemies Are Blind 24109228 36705568

  25. Update... by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Funny

    > 'the lead item on the government's daily threat matrix one day last April'

    Slight typo, that was supposed to read:
    'the lead item on the government's daily threat matrix day one last April'

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  26. Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    YHBT. YHL. HAND.

    *points to GNAA link in parents signature*

  27. Sounds like we were trolled. by jamonterrell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I just googled, I saw nothing of the like... only 3 results, the usnews article was the top then some french article I didn't bother to read.
    Anyone know of this character or even the game? I'm not really a Sega person... speaking of which... Sega? When was the last time you saw a Sega? And this happened last April.... hmm... something fishy.

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    1. Re:Sounds like we were trolled. by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 2, Insightful
      When I just googled, I saw nothing of the like... only 3 results, the usnews article was the top then some french article I didn't bother to read.
      Well, just looking at the title would have been enough: "Headhunter".
      As a sidenote, I don't know any french, but the first paragraphs are still pretty easy to understand: "Headhunter est donc un Metal Gear-like (ou un jeu d'action infiltration, si vous preferez) edité par Sega." (ok, 'Metal Gear-like' might not be french)
    2. Re:Sounds like we were trolled. by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      When I just googled, I saw nothing of the like... only 3 results,

      Google Search: "Don Fulci" Results 1 - 10 of about 81 for "Don Fulci".
      PSXNATION: Run by a crack team of hardcore gamers.
      NTSC-uk review > Dreamcast > Headhunter
      GamePartisan.com | Sony | Review
      etc...

    3. Re:Sounds like we were trolled. by jamonterrell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay, to take my theory that we got trolled a little bit further for those who didn't bother to at least stop and think about it.

      There are a couple of a problems with this kind of story:
      1.) It's very sensational and funny. Something you woudln't expect to happen but 'did'.
      2.) It's only being carried by ONE news site. Something this humorous and blunderous that has such far reaching claims of incompotency in our intelligence departments should have made bigger news. Why didn't it? The other news agencies did not or could not collaborate it. Either it's true and was successfully burried or it never happened.
      3.) There are little to no details about why/how this made it to the top of the "terror threat matrix." One anonymous tip? Come on, as much as it's funny to think that our intelligence departments are stupid, do you really believe they're THAT stupid?
      4.) Why did finding the name in a game have any bearing on whether this person was a threat? The FBI didn't drop their case against Cap'n Crunch when they found out he was just a cereal advertising cartoon character, did they?

      I'd expect to be reading this in an e-mail titled "Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: Game character plots terror attack against USA." Not on slashdot. We should be the experts on trolling, not the ones to feed it.
      Jamon.

      Btw, Someone needs to remind these moderators that moderation is not for making your opinion heard or making the oponents opinion heard, it's to promote easily reading discussion on the topic without having to sift through trolls, flaimbait, and offtopic posts. And I urge anyone who meta-moderates to help us clear out people who abuse the moderation system as a way to filter their opinions upon everyone else.

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  28. In other news by DrugCheese · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sorry Mario, but our princess is in another castle ...

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  29. The Feds Are On The Case! by Steve+B · · Score: 3, Funny

    They've already kept steps to keep this dangerous terrorist from getting his hands on a handbook for computer crime.

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  30. BULLSHIT by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

    Try googleing on "Don Emilio Fulci" and you will get two links. One is the story that we saw, and the other is in Italian.

    Are we expected to believe that our security agents were able to decode a web page written in Italian? That's just asking us to believe too much.

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  31. Re:relax, it's just an abhorrence by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > They probably got this from some data mining software that processes internet traffic. I'm not surprised that a program would pick this up and not realize that it's a fictional character.

    Which reminds me, never mind this Fulci guy, it's been over 20 years and they still haven't found Carmen Sandiego! Where in the world is she?

  32. I don't see how... by Cranx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see how so many of you conclude that the government doesn't know a real threat from a video game character. A threat can crop up in any one of a gazillion ways. Once made, they have to verify threats before they take them seriously. They did. They determined it was a video game character.

    How else does it work? Magic? When a threat comes in, they use telepathic powers to determine that any given name is a real one and not a video game character? A quick google isn't to everyone's liking?

    Dumbasses.

  33. In other news by mbkennel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rumors among the jihadi-message boards say that Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri have started communicating to each other and their followers "in the open", under code names "Darth Sidious" and "Darth Maul".

    The National Security Agency said that comment it will not, but you mustn't underestimate the power of the Emperor.

  34. Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. by Max+Threshold · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd be more afraid if the government weren't incompetent.

  35. Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. by gangien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK they recieved a tip that certainly, if true would be extremely serious, so they took it seriously and this makes you paranoid? It's good to know that our government takes threats seriously until they can be proven not to be serious, as in this case. Makes you lose sleep? well it makes me sleep better.

  36. Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Holy cow. Calm down. What USA Today printed was a RUMOR- a rumor about a highly classified document. In reality, the story that made it to USA Today probably bears little resemblence to what actually happened in the White House.

    You have gone to level three tin-foil-hat alert over a silly rumor.

  37. Re:Funny, Not... by jnicholson · · Score: 2, Funny
    First of all, it might have been a real group using obviously fake names to make the threat seem less real, and thus needed investigation.

    Second, anything that distracts shrub from coming up with more fun-and-games that turn into PR disasters in Iraq, is good.

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  38. So all you need to do is ... by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, it seems that all you need to do to get a terrorist plot ignored is to frame it with the plot from a popular videogame ...

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  39. contrarian... by moviepig.com · · Score: 4, Interesting
    (Swimming upstream to find a contrary perspective on this...)

    Consider the Pentagon folks who looked at this "threat" and suspected sagely (and rightly) that it was too fanciful to be credible.

    How closely do they resemble the Pentagon folks who, in early 2000, looked at jet-hijacking scenarios and suspected sagely (and wrongly) that they were too fanciful to be credible?

    (See answer in back of book.)

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  40. Latest addition to axis of evil by Zareste · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fortunately, the FBI is spending millions of taxpayer dollars to buy entertainment systems for all their agents. Police are working round the clock to beat the game and defeat this criminal, the Bush administration is reinstating the draft to illuminate the threat, the government is commissioning programmers to build a ten-story Gameshark, and military units are already being convicted of abusing NPCs

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  41. In other news... by HaloZero · · Score: 5, Funny

    Law enforcement agencies all across the United States are searching for Tommy Vercetti. He is wanted for a string of felonies including (but not limited to) murder, assualt, battery, weapons sales, grand larceny, and above all else Grand Theft Auto.

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  42. Proof that video game ratings are necessary! by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Leave it to the extremists in charge of our nation to have their wettest dreams confirmed by...a Sega game. And a subpar game at that.

    People without moral or practical imagination--the types who have gutted our liberties with the Patriot Act, and led us to invade and torture Iraqis--exemplify the kind of simpleminded sorts who shouldn't be allowed to play M-rated video games.

    Or run governments.

  43. All your Iraq are belong to U.S. by macshune · · Score: 5, Funny

    While I won't say whether I agree with the war or not, a spontaneous parody is definitely in order.

    In A.D. 2003
    War was beginning.

    Saddam: What happen?
    Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
    Operator: We get signal
    Saddam: What!
    Operator: Main screen turn on.
    Captain: It's you! We met in the '80s!
    RUMSFELD: How are you gentlemen!!
    RUMSFELD: All your Iraq are belong to U.S.
    RUMSFELD: We are on the way to your weapons of mass destruction.
    Saddam: What you say!!
    RUMSFELD: You have no chance to survive make your time.
    RUMSFELD: Ha Ha Ha Ha...

    1. Re:All your Iraq are belong to U.S. by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's been done before. (Like any parody except "All your baked potato taste like peanut butter" hasn't been done....)

      In A.D. 2001
      war was beginning.
      ARAB: What happen ?
      ARAB 2: Somebody set up us the bomb.
      ARAB 3: We get signal.
      SADDAM: What !
      ARAB 3: Main screen turn on.
      SADDAM: It's you !!
      GWB: How are you gentlemen !!
      GWB: All your no fly zone are belong to us.
      GWB: You are on the way to destruction.
      SADDAM: What you say !!
      GWB: You have no chance to survive make your time.
      GWB: Ha ha ha ha ....
      SADDAM: Take off every 'MiG'!!
      SADDAM: You know what you doing.
      SADDAM: Move 'MiG'.
      SADDAM: For great Allah.

  44. Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. by razol · · Score: 3, Informative

    We're talking about the government with supposedly the most intelligence in possession of the most WMDs, the biggest army

    I believe that Russia is actually the country documented with the most WMD, their biological reserves are quite vast.

    I do not think the US Army is the largest, it was China the last time I checked.

    they start a level three alert over a goddamned video game character

    Level three alert? I must have missed this important distinction. Further, how do we even know this is true? Looking at the other stories on this web site carrying the story makes you wonder how much of it is just sensational BS.

  45. Re:Brain fart by kirun · · Score: 2, Funny

    They'd use all their money to invent a time machine, then go back in time and play the stock market to get the money.

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  46. and so begins the era of Information Pollution... by Phoenixhunter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Arthur C. Clarke got it right for once ;)

  47. Re:The E Ring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    The E-Ring is the outermost ring in the Pentagon. Since all the offices with views are there, that's also where you'll find the heavy hitters in the DoD. Just as "seventh floor" is Washingtonspeak for high-level political appointees, "E Ring" is milspeak for the top brass.

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  48. TIA refund please. by twitter · · Score: 2, Funny
    So, billions of dollars later, this is what we can expect from Total Information Awareness? I'll bet a nickle that this floated up their system from being automatically gathered off people's computers and web pages. Enough hits made it right! I want a refund, my privacy back and for those morons to quit thinking that they can prevent crimes by reading my email, browsing and text on my computer.

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    1. Re:TIA refund please. by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Save you indignation until after we come to a collective realization that the trillions of dollars spend on Missile defense and the War on Drugs were also a giant waste of money. In some sense, worse than a waste of money. Cracking down on drugs simply made the profit margin insane. Going off and actively researching missile defense involved shredding a few disarmerment treaties with the Russians (not to mention pissing them off.)

      Back on the subject, information by it's very definition is measured by it's surprise. The approach taken by the TIA should really be called the "Total Data Awareness." They think that by viewing massive quantities of the ordinary will reveal the extraordinary.

      They forget that databases can't file the extraordinary. All of the tips, leads, and missed clues were people noticing that something didn't jive, something didn't fit. Computers can't do that. At least not unaided.

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  49. Well I've found the... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...WMD.

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  50. National Security Threats by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on folks, don't be naive. Just because this guy is a video game character does not make him any less a threat to national security. Do we really need another 9/11-style attack before we wake up? Remember after 9/11 when it turned out that the Sesame Street character Bert (of Ernie and Bert) was working closely with Osama bin Laden? Now I don't know a lot about this Don Emilio guy but I will feel much safer when he is locked away in Guantanamo, or at least huddling in a cave in Pakistan somewhere taunting us with audio tapes while American bombs explode nearby....

  51. This reminds me of the Steve Jackson Games case by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Way back (way back!) in 1990, Steve Jackson Games roused the ire of the US Secret Service for making a pencil and paper RPG called Cyberpunk, which was supposedly a handbook for computer crime. Never mind the fact that the game took place in a speculative future, SJG was raided. Thus began a legal wrangle that involved the nascent Electronic Frontier Foundation and sparked a much wider discussion about electronic civil liberties.

    In the process of fighting the Secret Service, even with help from the EFF, Steve Jackson Games almost went under.

    BTW, I'm not saying that the Steve Jackson case is the same as the FBI's current screw-up. But law enforcement makes mistakes, and sometimes they make big mistakes because they're simply not clued in to popular culture, not to mention computer technology as it is actually used in society.

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  52. Re:Jesus Fucking Christ. by corbettw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    +1, Ironic. You claim the government is overreacting by shouting in hysterics because someone phoned in a hoax tip which was subsequently proven to be a hoax and dropped. Go outside, take a breath of fresh air, and relax for pity's sake.

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  53. Et tu, Steve? by MiceHead · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Steve Jackson Games' venerable story on how the US Secret Service raided them (and was subsequently forced to pay damages) is a good read, for those who've heard of the case, but are not familiar with the details.

    On March 1 1990, the offices of Steve Jackson Games, in Austin, Texas, were raided by the U.S. Secret Service as part of a nationwide investigation of data piracy... More than three years later, a federal court awarded damages and attorneys' fees to the game company...

    The EFF also has a Top Ten most mis-reported elements of the case:

    10. Steve Jackson Games is a computer game company.
    9. GURPS Cyberpunk is a computer game.
    8. We're out of business.
    7. We were raided by the FBI.
    6. Some of our staff members were arrested by the Secret Service and charged with hacking.
    5. This was part of Operation Sun Devil.
    4. The raid was after GURPS Cyberpunk.
    3. There was a hacker threat to sabotage the 911 system.
    2. We have an employee named Lloyd Blankenship.
    1. Steve Jackson Games is the second largest game company in the USA.
    This instance with Sega's fictional character, though embarassing for the FBI, is certainly preferable to the above.
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  54. What am I missing here? by unperson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An FBI employee recieves a detailed tip about some immenent terrorist threat. Instead of researching first, he makes a calculated judgement that since a specific threat was mentioned, he *might* just go ahead and send the info up and down the pipeline so people can be alert...after all, wouldn't it have been better to have a national bulletin that said "Immeninent attack!" at about 6:00am EST on 9/11/01 than to have a detailed summary four hours later!?

    I just don't see how we should be upset about the handling of this event. Yes, its kind of funny. The linked article seems to indicate that everything happened in the timeframe of one day. I mean, don't tell me you expected this guy to recognize some character from a video game?

  55. So, terrorists just need to pollute Google? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So, if I am a terrorist, all I have to do is have my name come up under some video game, or other innocuous topic [like slashdot postings] more often than fringe websites and usenet groups, and I'm free and clear with the Feds?

    heh, that will throw them off the trail. lol

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  56. And this is a problem? by Black+Cardinal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the (extremely brief) article it sounds like the system put in place to evaluate threats worked. A potential threat was identified somehow, then dismissed once it was turned out to be a nonthreat. Its not like any action beyond evaluation was taken. Even if the "potential threat" in this case was a videogame character, I would prefer to have a human being make that call then let some automated search engine do the screening based on some rules. Whatever automated system they are using is probably only designed to identify potential threats, not evaluate them.

  57. Re:"says no such thing" ?!? by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meanwhile, the real Don Emilio Fulci is laughing his ass off in his secret lair. "All it took was a few million dollars in bribes at Sega to have myself added to a video game, then a careful leak to the FBI. Now no US government agent will dare to say that he suspects Emilio Fulci. BWAHAHAHA!" :^)

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  58. Imminent Threat by copponex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, the questions were:

    1. Does Iraq have weapons of mass destruction that can be used against the United States?

    2. Is Iraq planning to use those weapons?

    As is plainly evident, even to the man the Bush Administration hired to find the weapons couldn't find them, and I've seen no document saying that Iraq was planning an attack.

    I think we all remember Colin Powell circling some stuff on a map, and then holding up a vial saying, "They have this here." Well, where the did "here" go?

    What about North Korea? They actually have a nuclear program, and a dictator who has directly threatened the US. What about Saudi Arabia, where 15 of the 19 hijackers came from, and home to bin Laden and many terrorist organizations funded by the Saudi Government?

    Bush doesn't have any balls. He'll attack a country that has virtually no defense (Afghanistan) or a country that we've been bombing for 10 years (Iraq), but not so much as cut diplomatic ties with the nation that 80% of the 911 terrorists originated from (Saudi Arabia).

    I don't think Bush is evil, but he is incompetent and short sighted. Not too great of a choice for President.

    1. Re:Imminent Threat by cheezedawg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      1. Does Iraq have weapons of mass destruction that can be used against the United States?

      He had weapons. The world told him to show proof that he had disarmed. He didn't. The only safe assumption a Commander in Chief could make based on that evidence is that he still has the weapons. Anthrax just does not dissappear, after all.

      2. Is Iraq planning to use those weapons?

      Sometimes I wonder if people are listening to the same President Bush. Both Bush and Blair were very clear that we must act BEFORE Iraq can plan to use the weapons- BEFORE they became an immenent threat. Its too late to act if he already has a gun pointed at our head. Iraq has known terrorist connections- they have been on the State Dept list of Terror Sponsering States for 15 years. We should have acted against that threat a lot sooner than we did.

      What about North Korea?

      Unlike North Korea,

      Iraq was in violation of 17 Chapter VII UN resolutions as well as the cease-fire from the first Gulf War that required them to disarm

      Iraq had shown that they are willing to use their WMDs

      Iraq had just tried to illegally expand their borders

      Iraq is sitting on some of the richest natural resources in the world to finance almost anything that they would like.

      There is still a lot of diplomacy that the world can try in North Korea.

      What about Saudi Arabia, where 15 of the 19 hijackers came from, and home to bin Laden and many terrorist organizations funded by the Saudi Government?

      McVeigh was from New York- should we invade New York also? At least Saudi Arabia revoked bin Laden's citizenship. Unless maybe you have some special insider knowledge about the Saudi Royal family?

      Bush doesn't have any balls.

      I am glad that the man in charge of protecting our national security DOES have the balls to act when necessary.

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    2. Re:Imminent Threat by copponex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He had weapons.
      In the early nineties, sure. And then nearly all of it was destroyed, correct? By the U.N.? Did he a) have weapons in 2003 and b) directly threatened the United States, and did he c) have the technological capability to achieve that threat?

      The world told him to show proof that he had disarmed. He didn't. The only safe assumption a Commander in Chief could make based on that evidence is that he still has the weapons. Anthrax just does not dissappear, after all.
      So, if I ask Cuba to show me proof that it has no military capability to attack the US, and they don't comply, my only option is to invade the country?

      Sometimes I wonder if people are listening to the same President Bush.
      I heard he can talk even when Cheney drinks water.

      Both Bush and Blair were very clear that we must act BEFORE Iraq can plan to use the weapons- BEFORE they became an immenent threat. Its too late to act if he already has a gun pointed at our head.
      Owning a gun is not a crime. Pointing it at someone is. Or, does this only apply to oil-bearing nations?

      Iraq has known terrorist connections- they have been on the State Dept list of Terror Sponsering States for 15 years. We should have acted against that threat a lot sooner than we did.
      Here are the others on that list: Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria. How many of those countries were involved in the 9-11 attacks? Oh, that's right - none. Something tells me we need a new list.

      Iraq was in violation of 17 Chapter VII UN resolutions as well as the cease-fire from the first Gulf War that required them to disarm. Iraq had shown that they are willing to use their WMDs.
      Sounds like a UN problem to me. We acted unilaterally because? And they had used WMDs on foreigners when? I mean, besides the Iran war where the Reagan Administration trained them and sold them their first WMDs.

      If I remember correctly, a nation is allowed to do whatever it wants inside it's own borders. Little thing those "big-time reporters" call sovereignty.

      Iraq had just tried to illegally expand their borders...
      Which threatened the US in what way?

      Iraq is sitting on some of the richest natural resources in the world to finance almost anything that they would like.
      Again, if you find the pieces needed to make a bomb inside my house - like alcohol, fertilizer, and household cleaners - it doesn't mean that I'm going to make a bomb. If you find plans to make one, and a hit list, and a preperation area, then you can arrest me for conspiring. You can't kill people if they have "the ability to conspire." It's too vague, and basically is a license to kill anyone the government doesn't like.

      McVeigh was from New York- should we invade New York also? At least Saudi Arabia revoked bin Laden's citizenship. Unless maybe you have some special insider knowledge about the Saudi Royal family?
      Well, if fifteen people from New York City area were involved, I'd want some action from the NYPD. The Saudis did not see a single bad word out of Bush's mouth. They revoked bin Laden's citizenship in 1994, not after 9-11. After 9-11, not a single person in Saudi Arabia was arrested and delivered to the US. Is it your belief that the only people from Saudi Arabia involved in the attacks were the original 15?

      I am glad that the man in charge of protecting our national security DOES have the balls to act when necessary.
      Iraq, besides the two Gulf wars, has killed zero US Citizens. Al Queda killed 3,000, and so far, in a year of occupation, no document has linked Al Queda and the old Iraqi government. Saudi Arabia didn't receive so much as a slap on the wrists.

      Bush has the balls to look like he has balls, but that's about it.

    3. Re:Imminent Threat by sterno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) Actually, many of the weapons he had do just dissapear. Many of the nerve toxins, etc, will degrade over time.

      2) As for an imminent threat, Saddam was never a threat, imminent or otherwise.

      Time for a little lesson about the concept of mutually assured destruction. The lesson that should have been learned from 9/11 that was not, was that non-state actors can be a serious threat to our country. Saddam has one motivating interest, his own power.

      Let's assume, for the moment, that he got himself some nukes, and some how got the ability to deliver them to New York. Like really high tech deliver so that he could track the delivery and see who signed for it. What would he do with it? He can't use them against us because we would wipe him out. He can't use them against any enemies in the area, we would wipe him out. The only thing that they do is keep us from going for the throat when attacking him.

      What's that you say? He might have given the weapons to Al Qaeda? Well I'll skip the fact that Al Qaeda hates him, and get to the simple point that it would be fantastically stupid. Let's say he gave the weapons to Al Qaeda and they used them on the US. What then? Remember how well that sort of shit worked out for the Taliban? Hell, the Taliban screwed up so bad that Saddam got dragged in when he had NOTHING to do with it.

      We can afford to wait til he points a gun if we know where he is and we can match his gun with a bazooka.

      3) "Iraq has known terrorist connections- they have been on the State Dept list of Terror Sponsering States for 15 years." They are at best a retirement home for a few terrorists. The closest they've come to a terrorist attack was a terribly bungled assassination attempt of Bush Sr. Their intelligence service is, notoriously, one of the least effective in the world.

      As for the state sponsors of terrorism list, it's utter hogwash. Cuba's on that list. When was the last time they tried to engage in terrorism. The US has conducted more terrorism in Cuba than they have here.

      4) "Iraq had just tried to illegally expand their borders" Well, north korea can't really do that since the only borders they have to expand into are China, their only friend, and South Korea, who we back. This would get back into that mutually assured destruction concept I mentioned earlier.

      5) "Iraq is sitting on some of the richest natural resources in the world to finance almost anything that they would like" Not if the rest of the world refuses to sell anything to them.

      6) As to the state of Bush's cojones, I've got no argument. But frankly I'd like to have a president with the brains to keep his cojones in check. Serial killers have cajones. The 9/11 terrorists had cajones. Cajones are a dangerous thing without a little bit of logic and reason.

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    4. Re:Imminent Threat by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cuba is not under international orders to disarm with an authorization to use military force to get them to comply, and Cuba has not shown a willingness to use WMDs in the past.

      Man, oh man, is history ever repeating itself. The only difference is that there isn't a superpower opposite the US in polarity to help out Iraq. What we just did in Iraq we would have gladly done to Cuba in 1960. In fact, we tried it. Then Cuba got some nukes from the Soviet Union, and what happened?

      That's right, we couldn't pick on them any longer.

      I'm so glad you mentioned Cuba, WMDs and so forth. We made invasion noises at Cuba immediately after Castro showed up, very similar to how we've been making invasion noises at Iraq for some time. Of course Saddam was looking for some way to deter us from invading his country.

      Now, I'm not trying to take Saddam's side in this, I just don't think Bush should've gone in there so soon. I would have preferred giving the poor dictator more rope to hang himself with. Running around like a chicken with its head cut off is a good way to get the US in some pretty deep shit, and I'd prefer it if our president would cut it out. Also, running around trying to invade every nation for "fear of terrorism" is in fact a symptom that we have already lost the war against terror. Yep, we've already lost. We're scared shitless and firing our guns at anything that moves.

      Take the red off the Texas flag Bush claims, apparently we don't have any bravery anymore.

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    5. Re:Imminent Threat by grozzie2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The chemical weapons he has used in Iran did not come from us. They came from either Japan or Germany.

      The chemical weapons used in iran came in 2 forms. The first form was aerial delivery. American supplied chemicals were delivered from american supplied helicopters, originally justified as 'crop dusters'. The second form came as mortar shells. American made chemical shells were fired from german made mortars. The german supplier of the mortars brokered and acted as middle man in the purchase of the shells for those mortars.

      Another interesting 'point of interest', there were WMD used during gulf war 2nd edition. They came in the form of anti tank shells made up of depleted uranium, and there is a considerable inventory of those things in iraq today. They are american made, and in use by the american military. Thier radioactive nature has them officially qualified as WMD by the UN doctrines that define such things.

      So, it's actually quite easy to find WMD in iraq today, just go look in the munitions supply at all the american locations holding any significant number of tanks.

      But, the hypocracy of this whole thing really starts to show now. The american forces in iraq are holding Saddam on various and sundry charges, things like his jailors would torture and kill prisoners. The shoe is on the other foot now, still waiting to see GW in jail cuz his jailors are torturing prisoners. As they say, what's good for the goose...

    6. Re:Imminent Threat by cheezedawg · · Score: 2, Funny
      The chemical weapons used in iran came in 2 forms.

      From the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
      The absence in the sample analysed in Sweden and Switzerland of polysulphides and of more than a trace of sulphur indicates that it is not of past US-government manufacture, for all US mustard was made by the Levinstein process from ethylene and mixed sulphur chlorides. That process is also said to have been the one used by the USSR. From similar reasoning, British-made mustard, too, can probably be ruled out, even though substantial stocks were once held at British depots in the Middle East.
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    7. Re:Imminent Threat by cheezedawg · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm so glad you mentioned Cuba, WMDs and so forth. We made invasion noises at Cuba immediately after Castro showed up, very similar to how we've been making invasion noises at Iraq for some time. Of course Saddam was looking for some way to deter us from invading his country.

      The UNSEC unanimously voted 17 times under chapter VII of the UN resolution that Iraq needed to be disarmed. The same can not (and could not) be said about Cuba.

      Now, I'm not trying to take Saddam's side in this, I just don't think Bush should've gone in there so soon.

      So soon? It took 12 freakin years! We also waited 14 months after President Bush included them in the "Axis of Evil". At any point during that time Iraq could have started to cooperate, but they never did. How long to you think we should wait???

      we have already lost the war against terror

      What? In 2003, terrorism was at its lowest level since 1969. I'd call that some progress in the war against terror.

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  59. Re:competence by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anonymous Ashcroft Coward, your non-sequitur implies that some kind of FBI/CIA "wall" of noncooperation prevents the Dep't of Homeland Security from ruling out cartoons as top terror threats. And you moreover repeat the ridiculous lie from the Justice Department that there's even a "wall" at all, or that Gorelick created one. Where do you get this crap from? Why do you hate America? You hide behind your Anonymous Cowardice like some chickenshit terrorist programmer brainwashing a kid to detonate in a pizza parlor. Why do you hate America?

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  60. Be smart. Have a thought. Stop parrotting. by Syncdata · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, those sound like objective, non-politically motivated quotes. I have it on good sources that:

    "mozumder cannot tell the difference between a qualitative analysis, and something that was taken out of a book designed to slam bush."

    "Muzumder is alltogether willing to abandon common sense, and accept that bush doesn't know anything at all about the rather broad topic of 'policy'"

    "Muzumder has an axe to grind, but uses a very soft stone. Consequently, he ends up looking like a jackass."

    Just because someone said something, even if it was in print, does not make it so. I never liked Clinton, in fact, I was one of the haters, but I never did anything so foolish as to suggest he was going to suspend national elections, like so many tinfoil hat conservatives did. Why? Because the idea is preposterous on the face of it. Is bush an eloquent speaker? Clearly he is not. Do you believe for one second that he does not have any knowledge of anything that could fall under the heading "policy"? If so, you are the fool, not bush. For an administration to contain a cabinet as diverse in opinion as his does, yet to not consider diverse viewpoints would be rather self-defeating, wouldn't it?

    Observation of the Polical scene requires thought, and examination. Quotes from the preface of a book whose entire purpose is to slam Bush do not qualify for the former, nor the latter. Dunce cap for you slappy.

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  61. Secret Code in Zero Wing by Fryth · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's really Japanese video game programmers whom the US military should be afraid of. "Somebody set up us the bomb" read backwards is "Bomb the US, upset somebody!" Looks like they are using a false pretense of a bad translation to hide secret code messages to their allies.

  62. It's not just you by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    History shows that war on any common noun does not go well. Where are we with the war on drugs? How's that war on poverty going?

    For a war to really get traction and be effect it needs to be against a Person or Place, not just a Thing.

  63. Re:Bad intel? by BoneFlower · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, the US does get intelligence from CNN. CNN is actualy very good at ferreting out information other civilian organizations can't get, and often manages to get information before most of the US gets it... the Marines who went ashore in Somalia damn near killed a CNN camera crew that was there to greet them.

  64. That's Nothing.... by stygar · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I hear Ashcroft was this close to putting out a worldwide APB on a bald guy in a grey suit who puts his pinky to his mouth when he talks.

    He was a little embarassed at first, but Lockheed Martin now has a $10 Million contract to study the feasability of sharks with frickin' laser beams.

  65. Re:competence by Trepalium · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Actually, it's not my country, but that's beside the point. I still have to live in this same world, after all. I guess I didn't make this clear, but don't think I disagree with you. I was simply taken back by your hostility and anger towards the AC.

    Now, my only point was the sheer level of hostility in your post, combined with some use of the retoric (the T-word and implying the anon poster was anti-american) of the pro-Bush, 'My Country Right or Wrong', camp was inspiring. IMO, it illustrates how meaningless those words have become. That people's opinions are discounted by simply calling them 'Unpatriotic' because they dare question the government.

    Now, what I find ridiculous about this situation is the two sides of the war. Anti-Bush people who can seem to be unable to criticize anything about Bush except for his intelligence (or lack thereof), and the pro-Bush people who criticize anyone who doesn't agree with Bush as unpatriotic. They've become caricatures all to themselves. How can anyone take either side seriously, I wonder.

    Since I'm a Canadian citizen, I can laugh off most silly charges of me being Anti-American. Frankly it's neither an insult or a complement to me. I have even been told that I have no right to speak on these topics. Even throughout the Maher Arar deportation by US authorities (perhaps with the Canadian government's blessings) to Syria to be tortured, some people maintained that no one had the right to say anything about this except for the US government. Can't break this glass house they live in, or the entire world they live in might come crumbling down.

    I have my doubts about the justice that Maher will get with the inquiry about his case that's going on. After all, what can you really expect when the RCMP raid a reporter's house after she dug up some secret documents on the case.

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  66. Balls ... AND BRAINS???? by willtsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am glad that the man in charge of protecting our national security DOES have the balls to act when necessary.

    Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. But memos titled "Bin Ladin determined to strike in the US" tend to elicit some activity. It could generate a question like, "Hey Ashcroft, is this the reason you only fly private charter now????"

    Ascroft's response of course would be ... "No, It's because I de-prioritized counter-terrorism efforts. Bin Ladin has nothing to do with it. In fact I'm in the process of dismantling existing intelligence gathering efforts. For example, I cancelled the investigation on the USS Cole and forced that nosy FBI agent to come home. We booted his ass and he works at the World Trade Center now."

    The President's Response: "I thought I told you to shut down all those investigations against my old Bin Ladin buddies. You know them and my daddy go way back. They're really ticked that some of our agents are trying to shut down their charities. Make sure that money keeps flowing. It's how they fund their little brother Osama."

    Condaleeza Rice: "Mr President, would you like me to read the report to you again????"

    President: "No. 11 pages is way too long. Make sure you redact it so if I have to remember it again, it will only be two pages. Just cut out the nine in the middle. Yeah, and get Dick on the phone. I have to figure out how the Iraq war plan is going. Did we end up giving most the oil to Exxon or Shell????"

    Of course, the morning of 9/11 your beloved hero was very vigilant in protecting our nation. He knew about the diverted planes BEFORE he left the hotel. He knew about the first strike BEFORE he went into the classroom. A reporter asked him if he knew what was going on in New York, he responded "Yeah, I saw that on TV, that was a pretty bad pilot".

    Tick, tock, tick, tock, buzzzz. You can see the engine creaking inside the presidents mind. But he doesn't put two and two together. In fact, along the line he must have issued an order for the Air Force to STAND DOWN. Otherwise, all the jets would have been INTERCEPTED as per standard operating procedure (Google Payne Stewart Plane Crash).

    Big ball, no brain Bush goes into a classroom and sits on his ass reading to 2nd graders while our nation it under attack. Than, he is informed that a SECOND plane hits the World Trade Center. Big dummy still hasn't figured it out .... WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!!!!! Either that, or big balled dummy knew and was VERY PLEASED.

    Nevertheless, big balled dummey sits in a classroom for another 15 minutes and finishes the goat story. It's so rare that the President is among his intellectual peers. I'm sure he relishes those precious moments.

    OK big balled dummy, what do we do. Do you rescind your stand down order that prevented planes from scrambling. Nope, not yet. Plane #3 hasn't struck yet. Don't believe the lies. Do you seriously believe that planes capable of travelling 1500 miles an hour stationed just outside the capital would be unable to intercept the Pentagon airliner????????

    Are we stupid??? Is the military this utterly inept???? I don't believe so. If they were, the Soviets would have leveled our nation a LONG time ago.

    After all the stupidity on the morning of 9/11, the President makes a brave call to "authorize" shooting down the Pennsylvania plane. How brave he is since he could have prevented the fall of WTC 1, as well as saving the lives of people in the Pentagon. Had he not issued a stand down warning, he could have saved WTC 1 as well.

    Who knows, he might have even prevented WTC 7 from mysteriously imploding for no apparent reason.

    On to Afghanistan. Does Bush have the Balls to see the Afghan campaign through???? Does he have the balls to put large numbers of boots on the ground to catch his old family friend Osama Bin Ladin??????

    Nope. Bush is more concerned with Saddam Hussein. He was obsessed from day one.

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