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RFID Implants for Spanish Revelers

WWW/X writes "USA Today reports that clubbers in Barcelona are getting drunk and being implanted on site with RFID chips in order to pay their bills without carrying around bulky items such as credit cards. The article states that the implant can go anywhere, however it does not state whether anyone has chosen their forehead." The club's website describes the program (link in spanish).

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  1. Barcelona by F34nor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Loved it, loved the music, loved the food, still wouldn't get RFID to pay for drinks.

    1. Re:Barcelona by Ayaress · · Score: 4, Informative

      The one thing I should point out is that, despite the suspicious wording of the article, the people got implanted BEFORE they got drunk.

  2. SO cool. by Hanna's+Goblin+Toys · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok this is so yesterday. I got my waver at Baja, people, and I can't love it enough. It's phat because I can totally wave it in front of any of the bartenders and like bam I have a drink. It's even better in the summer because it's like totally hot right now (third day of this awful humidity) and so I can wear like anything hot that I want and I don't have to carry a PURSE or those lame KEYCHAIN WALLETS and stuff. So anyway at the library once this guy was all freaking out on me about how I got "implanted" and I was going to be "tracked and monitored" and said "don't you read Slashdot?". He was gross and I ran away but that's how I found out about this site.

    Anyway I've read here long enough to know that no one here is going to want a waver but that's cool because I'm just guessing here that only uncool ugly people are going to get all wigged about being cool and not having to carry a wallet. Which just means more hot guys at Baja for me.

    Smack that ass, boyfriend!

    1. Re:SO cool. by ear1grey · · Score: 3, Funny

      i think i'm in love.

    2. Re:SO cool. by trentblase · · Score: 5, Funny

      Any technology that encourages hot club-going women to show more skin is fine by me. Plus, it makes it so much easier to stalk them!

    3. Re:SO cool. by TyrranzzX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (and for those who take em' seriously, for the 10,000th time) Wait for it. The banking institutions are going to want to do trade this way. It starts with a night clib in Baja, then goes to something else. It then becomes a fad, people go for it, then BAM, it's manditory at work for some people. Afterall, you want to be team playa, don't you? Overtime, the technology advances, and now it can store encrypted data and is difficult as fsck to hack.

      Then all of a sudden, the banking institutions begin associating the data with you. Now instead of carrying around a wallet, you carry around a chip which a central database in some goverment or business institution. The chip stores your info, and all they've got to do to enforce it is put in advanced versions of credit card readers that read chips and correlate that data over the intarweb.

      That isn't the end though. There'll still be a few people reeling and screaming to the rest of the sheeple that what they're doing is wrong. The real end, is when someone comes before congress complaining about the incredible cost of keeping a cashier at the front desk. They'll talk about making a law stating businesses won't have to take money anymore for trade. Of course, by then everything will be pretty much monopolised by profiteering corperations. Then, when the terrorists begin trading with people, good ol' barter, they'll outlaw that too.

      And then the banking institutions have all the power they ever wanted.

  3. Forehead by akaina · · Score: 4, Funny

    "... anyone has chosen their forehead."

    Or right hand for that matter.

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    1. Re: Forehead by Evil+MarNuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The forehand is a symbol of the mind. Do you think of God or something else?

      The right hand is a symbol of work. Do you work for God or do you work for yourself?

      A lawyer 2000 years ago wrote the following:

      This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

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  4. Glass? by marshac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    USA today says that it's made out of glass... couldn't this possibly break? Ouch. Then again, USA Today is known for their high quality journalism...

    1. Re:Glass? by Phoenixhunter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ever tried to break a small piece of glass? A hammer could do it on a hard surface, but not when it is in the subdermal layer where it is in a relative cushion...

    2. Re:Glass? by HalfStarted · · Score: 5, Informative

      Glass... as in glass bead not glass jar or glass cup. What it is a small piece of electronics encased in glass, unless there was a flaw in the manufacturing process where a bubble gets in what you basically have is a solid piece of glass. If there are any voids from manufacturing defects they are so small that they do not reduce the strength of the package. The reason glass is used is that it is cheep very durable and is biologically/chemically inert, i.e. it will not rust, decompose or fuse to live tissue or interact with the body in any other way.

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    3. Re:Glass? by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 4, Informative
      From here:
      This implant, like the first, will be encased in a glass tube. We chose glass because it's fairly inert and won't become toxic or block radio signals. There is an outside chance that the glass will break, which could cause serious internal injuries or prove fatal, but our previous experiment showed glass to be pretty rugged, even when it's frequently jolted or struck.
      Sounds like it probably wouldn't break, but it'd be bad if it did.
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  5. No prob by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get RFID tag installed.

    Don your tinfoil hat.

    Drink.

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  6. Uhh... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...that bump? No, no no no--you've got it all wrong! I'm clean--that's my RFID chip! Really! Wait! Come back!"

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    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    1. Re:Uhh... by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny
      The Tubes 2.0?
      The smell of burning leather
      as we hold each other tight
      As our rivets rub together
      flashing sparks into the night
      At this moment of surrender darling
      if you really care
      Don't scan me there
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  7. Scalpels just became a mugging tool! by ericspinder · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I can see it now...
    Lean against the bar and accidently buy everybody a round!

    Or better, yet muggers using a knife and cutting out the implant. I'd feel better if the scanner would only work an inch or two from the chip, rather than several feet. Otherwise, in a crowded bar how would you know who is paying?

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  8. Ouch! by jmcwork · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is also rumored that many Barcelona escort services are looking into this method of payment for services.

    1. Re:Ouch! by swb · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if they have the granularity for pay-per-thrust. Most slashdotters could then consider their "quick reaction time" to be a financial advantage.

  9. stinkin RFID by happyfrogcow · · Score: 4, Funny

    all news today is "smart this.. implant that..."

    you can take your RFID and shove it up your ass! literally!

  10. Not just privacy issues.. by Karamchand · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ..but counterfeiting/identity theft issues as well. If the RFID is readable that easily, I can just read of the wealthist customer's RFID and make one with his ID for myself. Voila, I'll have a drunken night at the club!

    1. Re:Not just privacy issues.. by theLOUDroom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RFID tags come with a random 128-bit number burnt into them at the factory. Sorry.

      You don't get it.

      All you would need is a simple RF recording and playback device.

      When you walk up to the bar, I hit "record". When you pay, I've got your 128 bit number.

      Then I walk up the bar and hit "play". Congratulations, your "unique" 128 bit number has just paid for my drink.

      It would be similar to the "codegrabbing" devices that have been used to bypass car alarms and garage doors.

      If one was particularly clever, they could build the device as an attachment to a device like an ipaq or an ipod, allowing it to be used inconspicuously.

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    2. Re:Not just privacy issues.. by dabraun · · Score: 3, Informative

      If only you understood the first thing about encryption. The key is never transmitted.

      Look up public/private key systems.

      David

    3. Re:Not just privacy issues.. by theLOUDroom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If only you understood the first thing about encryption. The key is never transmitted.

      Look up public/private key systems.


      It is NOT a good idea to make the assumption that encryption is involved here. Most RFID tech (read: what Walmart's calling for) is NOT going to involve encryption.

      Do you actually think this bar paid the extra money for the *expensive* RFID tags with actual processors in them? I may have a bridge to sell you......

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    4. Re:Not just privacy issues.. by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is avoided with Verichip, as the 128 bit number changes with each transaction in a manner specific to that chip, and known to the transaction handling company (Verichip). It would take thousands of queries and a supercomputer to find out exactly how the unique transaction number is changing so that your transaction would fit. In addition, since your transaction would alter the linearity of the NEXT transaction, it would flag your transaction as fraudulent. The payment isn't handled by the reader device, it's handled by a bank computer. You might be able to get one drink at best. These things are a bit more sophisticated than you think. Go to www.adsx.com.

    5. Re:Not just privacy issues.. by drc500free · · Score: 3, Informative

      well, if you bother to check their site, they say quite clearly (though in spanish) that they use VeriChip. So yes, we do think that. Why do you assume that, because an establishment serves alcohol, they are suddenly going to make shady and ill-advised business decisions?

    6. Re:Not just privacy issues.. by Dahan · · Score: 3, Informative
      This is avoided with Verichip, as the 128 bit number changes with each transaction in a manner specific to that chip... Go to www.adsx.com.

      OK, I went there, and I'm not seeing it... got a specific link? What I see is:

      A small amount of Radio Freqency Energy passes from the scanner energizing the dormant VeriChip, which then emits a radio frequency signal transmitting the individuals unique verification (VeriChipID) number.
      No mention of the number changing. I didn't even see where it said that it was a 128-bit number. Surely such a highly-moderated comment was verified by the moderators, right? Oh wait, this is slashdot... never mind.
  11. Reminds me.. by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    of when I was in Mallorca getting polaxed every night. The fact that I had to use cash meant that I could pace myself and not blow all my money, as you would do very quickly when you're so drunk that you could lose track of how much (or little) money you can spare. If I was able to just wave my hand and get a drink I'd be bankrupt in no time. I think that's a more pressing concern than any privacy issues.

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    1. Re:Reminds me.. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Funny

      If I was able to just wave my hand and get a drink I'd be bankrupt in no time.

      You see a design flaw, they see a feature. ;)

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  12. Alternatives by Kallahar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about the option to put it in, for example:
    A ring
    A necklace
    An earring, nose ring, etc.
    A bracelet
    A watch

    All of these seem a lot safer, putting things under the skin can be really really dangerous. How do you go about getting it out if you're done with it? What if someone clones your id? What if it migrates to somewhere else in your body?

    It's times like this that I'm glad we have an FDA here in the US.

  13. Running of the Bulls by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny
    I hear they are putting RFID's in the bulls for the next "running of the bulls" in Pamplona, Spain.

    I look foward to participating in the next run, and logging into my specially-fitted Palm Pilot as I run down the street and check the red dots on the screen so I know where the bull horns are so I can avoid them.

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  14. Sensationalistic?! by n-baxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a load of crap! The /. descriptions says clubbers in Barcelona are getting drunk and being implanted on site with RFID chips which maks it sound like the club is tagging passed out patrons with a chip without their consent. In fact the bar is sponsoring the chip implants and people can sign up for them. I'm not saying that it makes the idea OK, but it's a heck of a lot better than a story about waking up with an ID embedded in your arm. Let's try to tell it like it is a little more, even if it is /.

    1. Re:Sensationalistic?! by Matey-O · · Score: 4, Insightful

      KIDNEY! You r were missing a KIDNEY!

      Sheesh. {mumbles}Probably not even a _redundant_ kidney either}

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  15. seiscientos sesenta seises. by nebaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    marca de la bestia

    (Thanks google. :-)

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  16. Wow! This is Great! by dakan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alright! Now I can get drunk, pay my tab, and be tracked where ever I go. I'll never be lost again! In fact now the bartender will know exactly what I like so when I'm too trashed to order he will still know what I'm looking for.

    In Addition, I'm sure other merchants will catch on to the fact that I have an RFID tag and they will make wonderful use of it as well! This is a marvelous idea! Maybe now someone will remember my name.

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  17. Re:what if they leave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


    does your body slowly reject it and shoot it across the room?

    Yeah, you get it implanted in your wrist and at the right moment you impress the girls with your "Look at me, I'm Spiderman!" move as it flies from your wrist.

  18. Idiot Sauron by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny
    "How about the option to put it in, for example: A ring

    D'oh! If Sauron had remembered to embed an RFID chip in that damn ring when he first had it made, it would have saved him and many others thousands of years of "looking for lost jewelry" trouble.

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  19. So what... by UncleBiggims · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wave a body part and get a drink? So what! Girls have had this power since forever. And for them the drink is free.

  20. Grocery Rewards Chip by marshac · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great, now my arm can look like my keychain with a half-dozen different "rewards" RFID chips... The added side benefit with all that junk in your arm will be when you light up the metal detector at the airport like a Christmas tree... and then the friendly TSA agent dons the rubber gloves...

  21. Bulky? by clausiam · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ..bulky items such as credit cards...

    Yeah those pesky bulky 50x30x0.5 mm^3 credit cards - don't want to lug one of those around.

    /Claus

  22. Photo of implant being implanted by pa3gvr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have a look at the professional enviroment where they do the implant:
    Baja implant photo.

  23. nudist colinies by mcguyver · · Score: 3, Funny

    This could be a hit with nudiest colonies or naked people that like to go shopping with their credit card. Go figure.

  24. Re:Easy access to cash & alcohol by Bronster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you pass out, your RFID chip still works, guess who's buying! At least with cash, when your out, your done.

    Huh? So you're saying that the bartender is less likely to accept that cash that someone lifted from your wallet than to accept your passed-out body being dumped on the bar to pay for the drinks?

  25. No. by lemonylimey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just to try and head off some of the sillier comments here:

    As anyone working in a Vet's Surgery will tell you, these sub-dermal chips have a read range of about 2-3 inches, so you don't have to worry about the club recording how many times you gave ten euros to the guy in the corner with all the funny bulges in his hat.

    Sorry.

    We will now return you to your normal paranoid service.

  26. Wait until Vegas gets this. by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Once this ties in with slots...

  27. Yikes by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Normally I hate christian fundamentalist but on this subject I am right with them. Branding people with a number on their body is just plain evil. Perhaps I grew up to close to the holocaust but the only way someone will mark me with a number on my body is with a toetag.

    Painlessly inserted? How about removed? A passport no matter how good you can always loose. With an rfid tag imbedded this becomes a lot harder. Does any current goverment want to use this? No probably not.

    Then again think of the time when a certain european country started a database with the religion of its citizens and of their parents. And think of the time that passed before its true purpose become known. Can you predict wich kinda goverment we will have in a decade? The US 10 years ago was just getting rid of bush in favor of clinton, the netherlands was all peacefull and quiet with no-one making any political statements that were not Politically correct and politicians getting shot happened elsewhere. (for the non-dutch we had a huge uproar (by dutch standards) when Pim Fortuyn formed his own party and said things that no-one had dared say before but a lot of people were thinking. A openly gay charismatic person with some right wing and some left wing views who looked like he was going to win the election before being killed).

    Scary stuff. Anyone that accepts this is insane.

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  28. Really? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not real? Are you sure? I have already paid $2,500 to go participate in an archaelogical dig on the Italian shores of the Adriatic in August to help uncover the foundations of Barad-dur. Hope this isn't some sort of scam, but I'd better check into this just in case.

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  29. Makes it easier... by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
    Wave a body part and get a drink? So what! Girls have had this power since forever. And for them the drink is free.

    In both cases, implants make this easier.

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  30. You forgot... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    to word everything as, like, a question? You know? "Like, I was like, down at the pool hall? And this totally cute guy came over? And I was like, Oh my God! I totally didn't know what to say? And he was like, 'whatever!'"

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