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Mac Trojan Horse Disguised as Word 2004

Espectr0 writes "Macworld is alerting of a malware program for the Mac. A Macworld reader alerted the magazine to the malware after he downloaded the file from Limewire. The reader told Macworld: 'I downloaded the file in the hope that perhaps Microsoft had released some sort of public beta. The file unzipped, and to my delight the Microsoft icon looked genuine and trustworthy.' However, he added: 'I clicked on the installer file, and to my horror in 10 seconds the attachment had wiped my entire Home folder!'" This sounds similar to the recent trojan horse proof-of-concept. There are many ways to make one file look like another, on any platform. This is 2004, you should know by now not to open a file from an untrusted source.

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  1. "Darwin" - style award winner by ericspinder · · Score: 5, Funny
    I downloaded the file [off Limewire] in the hope that perhaps Microsoft had released some sort of public beta...and to my delight the Microsoft icon looked genuine and trustworthy"
    We have got to come up with a name for "someone who makes a good effort at removing themselves from the Internet".
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    1. Re:"Darwin" - style award winner by Ieshan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Already got one. Notice how "microsoft" came up, even in the story about the Trojan on a Mac?

    2. Re:"Darwin" - style award winner by rjamestaylor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why do you think they call it Apple Darwin, anyway?

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    3. Re:"Darwin" - style award winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Trojan Horses do not wipe out Home folders... they only sit dormant and collect information. I think it was a virus that this guy downloaded, not a Trojan.

      Maybe if you look on Limewire you can find a "dictionary"

    4. Re:"Darwin" - style award winner by bamf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually I think you'll find that it fits the defintion of Trojan Horse perfectly.

    5. Re:"Darwin" - style award winner by SquadBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was a person who based a choice on whether or not to run an app based on how the ICON looked. They will repeat over and over and over again and wonder why the hell their shit keeps breaking.

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    6. Re:"Darwin" - style award winner by anonymous+loser · · Score: 5, Funny

      This man is luckier than he realizes. He might have actually installed a Microsoft product instead of a mere trojan horse!

  2. New paradigm? by Suffering+Bastard · · Score: 5, Funny

    I downloaded the file in the hope that perhaps Microsoft had released some sort of public beta...I clicked on the installer file, and to my horror in 10 seconds the attachment had wiped my entire Home folder!

    Maybe this is Microsoft's new security paradigm. No one can steal your data, not even you!

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    1. Re:New paradigm? by Bonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Surrrrreeee they thought it was a beta. Uh huh. That's why they went to Limewire rather than the MS website. Sure. Yeah.

      Open Office porters take note. At my last check, Mac users are still stuck with a sucky x11 version of OOO1.1 rather than the spiffy version available for Windows users.

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  3. Think first by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reader told Macworld: 'I downloaded the file in the hope that perhaps Microsoft had released some sort of public beta.

    Using Limewire? A likely story.

    The file unzipped, and to my delight the Microsoft icon looked genuine and trustworthy.' However, he added: 'I clicked on the installer file, and to my horror in 10 seconds the attachment had wiped my entire Home folder!'"

    This is the risk you take when downloading stuff that you don't pay for. If you purchased Office 2004 from Microsoft (thus supporting the promotion and development of software for OS X), then you would have something to gripe about. As it stands, one might suggest you got what you paid for.....

    This is 2004, you should know by now not to open a file from an untrusted source.

    Well said. However, this does raise the possibility of other code that could be made to look like just about anything. So, once again, think about what you install on your computer just like you would think about what you eat or who you have sex with. If you don't know, trust or suspect that software/food/person, then either screen them or think twice.

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    1. Re:Think first by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Funny

      "So, once again, think about what you install on your computer just like you would think about what you eat or who you have sex with. If you don't know, trust or suspect that software/food/person, then either screen them or think twice."

      The Slashdot folks obviously think alot about what kinds of food they eat (everything) and who they have sex with (nobody).

    2. Re:Think first by John_Sauter · · Score: 4, Funny
      So, once again, think about what you install on your computer just like you would think about what you eat or who you have sex with. If you don't know, trust or suspect that software/food/person, then either screen them or think twice.
      Hmmm. I detect a market for a software condom. That's a much better term than "sandbox" in some markets.
      John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)
    3. Re:Think first by somethinghollow · · Score: 5, Funny

      just like you would think about what you eat or who you have sex with

      Or who you eat and what you have sex with.

    4. Re:Think first by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Using Limewire? A likely story.

      Yes, that's probably the least credible statement I've ever seen on slashdot. Just so you understand the impact of this statement, I'll highlight the important words: that's probably the least credible thing I've ever seen on SLASHDOT.

  4. Windows by dicepackage · · Score: 4, Funny

    This would never of happened if they were using a secure operating system like Windows.

    1. Re:Windows by aristotle-dude · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know this is meant to be a joke but this would happen on any platform with a stupid user at the helm. This is nothing like the proof of concept Trojan. It is a classic trojan (malware program claiming to be some useful program). Fortunately, the OSX security model prevented the damage from spreading outside of the home folder. An admin account (default on Home and Pro XP) would have the ability to totally destroy a system whereas Admin accounts on OS X are not root accounts.

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  5. beta by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 5, Funny
    in the hope that perhaps Microsoft had released some sort of public beta...

    yeah.

  6. Let the Liar Beware by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    A Macworld reader alerted the magazine to the malware after he downloaded the file from Limewire. The reader told Macworld: 'I downloaded the file in the hope that perhaps Microsoft had released some sort of public beta.

    Uh-huh.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a coughing fit that requires my immediate attention...

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  7. don't be dumb billy. by SuperguyA1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's see... You downloaded a microsoft public beta from a p2p net without checking ms's website for any existance of the beta. Then just because the icon looked like a m$ icon you figured it was safe with no virus scan? If you purchase this BEAUTIFUL florida swampland I have I bet your files will be restored and word 2004 will work fine

    call me

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  8. The Icon Looked Trustworthy! by Eagle5596 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because everyone knows the icon is the best way to ascertain the security and authenticity of any piece of software. It's very secure and hard to change, uh huh.

  9. This has nothing to do with Apple? by davidu · · Score: 4, Insightful


    This should be filed under the "Humans" topic as this has nothing to do with apple or even computers.

    Trojan Horses are social problems -- there isn't much apple or microsoft or anyone can do other than try to keep people on their toes.

    I mean come on, limewire?

    davidu

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  10. Limewire Legal! by MacWannabe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seriously, what a tard. The only things you can trust off Limewire is the quality porn!

  11. Dear trojan writers. by juuri · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of deleting a person's files (I know you 0wn3r3d th3m!@#!) how about you do the rest of us a favour.

    From this point on all trojans, such as this one, who invite idiots to test the lows of their computer skills should, instead of removing random files, disable a person's net connection. Think about the good you would suddenly be doing for the online world! You can make a positive difference! Your life isn't lost yet! Go you!

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  12. Who would have thought ? by Jesrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, a 60 Kilobytes Applescript fits perfectly the name "Word 2004 Mac Beta Installer".

    D'uh.

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  13. Fast User Switching Rules... by rthille · · Score: 4, Interesting


    This is a perfect use for Fast User Switching. Create an account with no perms and no data you care about losing. Test downloads in that account. You can do it without even logging out.

    Be careful though of the fact that there's no restriction on network access for a 'no perms' account. (This is a failing of UNIX in general, not MacOS in particular.) This would allow Microsoft/anyone to put out a trojan like this, and send back a 'this IP fell for it' packet, or even run a server on a 'high' port (depending on your firewall configuration).

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    1. Re:Fast User Switching Rules... by Bullet-Dodger · · Score: 5, Informative

      Little Snitch is good for preventing anything from phoning home. Does have slightly annoying behavior unless it's registered, however. Anyone know of an OSS program to do this?

    2. Re:Fast User Switching Rules... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Here is a better idea: don't try beating the system. 90%+ of all computer problems are really not lack of secure code, its the idiot sitting in front of the screen. While getting Office and other programs from p2p may be trendy and even "cool" to some, you run the risk that it might not be as advertised.

      Out in the professional world we do pay for everything. Why? In the last 6 months, two graphics designers in this town were busted for using warezed versions of Photoshop and black listed by other companies in the area including long time clients. And advertising/marketing being cut-throat as it is, there were glaring stories about it in the local business journal. Wow, probably $100k+ income lost to save $5k on software. Smart move there!

      If there was such a thing, then download from a MS website or trusted mirror (like download.com) or else roll the dice and take your chances.

      Personally I am waiting for the $10 for shipping beta from MS as I am classified as an "IT manager/decision maker" for our company (and several others as I also do consulting).

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  14. Actually... by rtilghman · · Score: 5, Insightful


    If it was a windows installed you could check to make sure that various files were signed and authenticated by MS, information which I don't believe can actually be faked (dlls, exe, cab files, etc.).

    I don't know if Mac has a similar feature, and I don't know if some random moron like this guy would even have bothered to check. However, it would seem that MS' own security would indeed have offered a better chance of preventing such a Trojan. :)

    -rt

  15. Only home folder was hosed by trojan.... by Homology · · Score: 4, Insightful
    'I clicked on the installer file, and to my horror in 10 seconds the attachment had wiped my entire Home folder!'"

    A similar program om Windows could do far more than just hose someones Home folder, because most Windows users runs with high privileges.

    1. Re:Only home folder was hosed by trojan.... by HeghmoH · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, but the home folder is all that matters. The way UNIX protects system files is very nice, but the reality is that for most users, the stuff in /home or /Users or /users or whatever your flavor of UNIX uses is what counts. If you trashed my entire computer but left /Users alone, I'd be annoyed and reinstall. If you trashed /Users, I'd be annoyed and restore from backup... but most people don't keep anything resembling decent backups. Especially on a Mac, where it takes twenty minutes to reinstall the OS, the difference between trashing /Users or trashing the entire system is miniscule. Of course, if it's a multi-user Mac, a trojan can only trash the current user's files.

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  16. Not like the recent warning by Anixamander · · Score: 5, Informative

    This sounds similar to the recent trojan horse proof-of-concept

    This is nothing of the sort. The recent warning was for mp3 or other non-executable looking files carrying a trojan horse payload...that is far sneakier than this. This is simply a program that doesn't do what it claims to do. He expected an executable, he got an executable. An if he really thought that Microsoft would relase a public beta through limewire...well, caveat emptor and all.

    Since it only deleted his home directory, it probably wasn't that sophisticated. I'm surprised it didn't attempt to escalate privilieges under the guise of an installer and do even more damage.

    I suppose I should make a clippy joke here (I'm really tempted), but I actually like office X and am looking forward to the next version.

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  17. How to write a OS X Trojan by heyitsme · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Create shell script with "rm -rf $home/*"
    2) Package script with Microsoft Icon
    3) Upload to P2P network
    4) ???
    5) Laugh as retarded Slashdot editors call it valid malware

    Come on guys... lets get serious.

  18. "This being 2004..." by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "This being 2004, you should know not to open a file from an untrusted source." WRONG! This is exactly the mindset that has resulted in the security problems that plague computers today. Operating environments should have the ability to fully contain and isolate any process. Operating environments should have the ability to run hostile code with complete safety. The smart thing to do is to start regarding ALL code as hostile. One side effect of that is that failures of non-hostile code will be contained, too, making for a more reliable system.

    How can such a goal be attained? There are many ways available now. The most obvious one is a VM system with security policies, such as the JVM. That's not the only one, though. Another method is a capabilities-based system, so when a process starts, it has only a defined set of capabilities to work with. OpenBSD has a similar, but more limited system called systrace. The TrustedBSD project and SELinux have similar aims, and SELinux is being integrated into mainstream Linux distros. Another way to run untrusted things is with user-mode Linux, which I believe is integrated with Linux 2.6

    The editor is right, though, that on currently-used systems like OSX and MS Windows, you have to be careful what you click on. But the problem is that we have come to accept that as "the way things are", when there is no reason for that to be the case. You should be able to run hostile code, see what it does, laugh at it, and delete it without any harm. The technology to do that exists, and has existed for years, but we have come to accept broken products and systems that don't allow that.

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  19. How big was the file? by foidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to wonder, word is a pretty hefty piece of software, did the attackers even bother padding the program? A really quick download time would be one of a multitude of clues that what you are downloading probably isn't legit.

  20. Trojan was reverse-engineered ! by Jesrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Newsflash, the source code of the trojan has been obtained. It's thought to be something like this:
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    tell application "Finder"
    move home to trash
    empy trash
    end tell
    ----------

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  21. The 404 Award by Gudlyf · · Score: 4, Funny
    In case it's not obvious, from here:

    "404: Someone who's clueless. From the World Wide Web message> "404, URL Not Found," meaning that the document you've tried to access can't be located. "Don't bother asking him...he's 404, man.""

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    1. Re:The 404 Award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Going OT here, but here's the whole list of HTTPanties:

      100 Continue (she's accepting you)
      200 OK (go for it!)
      202 Accepted (see 200)
      300 Multiple Choices (pick a hole, any hole)
      400 Bad Request (explain what you mean)
      401 Unauthorized (she doesn't know you yet, but if she does, she'll let you)
      402 Payment Required (self-explanatory)
      403 Forbidden (I guess she's just not in that kind of mood)
      404 Not Found (she may be back)
      405 Method Not Allowed (guess the any hole part of 300 was wrong)
      406 Not Acceptable (she doesn't like you)
      408 Request Timeout (you were too slow - try again)
      409 Conflict (got some 3-way there?)
      410 Gone (damn, you got dumped)
      411 Length Required (she wants to know that first)
      413 Request Entity Too Large (stop buying penis pills)
      414 Request-URI Too Long (see 413)
      415 Unsupported Media Type (wait, this is a LESBIAN HTTP/1.1 error code thing?)
      416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable (she knows she's not good enough for you)
      417 Expectation Failed (self-explanatory)
      500 Internal Server Error (she should be checked out)
      501 Not Implemented (well, teach her!)
      503 Service Unavailable (wait a while, and watch)

  22. This is 2004... by Vrallis · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is 2004, you should know by now not to open a file from an untrusted source.

    This is 2004, you should know by now that Microsoft can't possibly have released Office 2004 this year.

  23. Nice handling of it... by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just made a new user to run an rm -rf ~ on to see how it looks.

    I have to say I'm impressed with how Apple handles this situation. You actually have to do rm -rf ~/* but anyways, once your home directory is emptying there is no error message. No flood of missing files or application crashes. You just log out and log back in and hey you have the default's loaded again like a fresh user. Being a Windows/Linux switcher I have to say this is handled quite differently than I expected. At least in windows losing all your windows files is gonna cause some serious problems, may not be able to log back in again.

    Maybe I'm odd but eh. :)

    -Don.

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  24. Us Slashdot-geeks have created a monster! by WebCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember, a good deal of the Mac users out there are clueless ex-Windows user friends that we instructed to purchase Macs after scrubbing their old PCs of viruses, adware, spyware and other such crap one too many times.

    No matter how often we tell them otherwise, it is ingrained in them to use the icon as an indictor of a file's content. If it wasn't then a great deal fewer email viruses would make it into the wild.

  25. The real questions... by inkswamp · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Intego is really starting to get on my nerves with this, and their previous, alerts. You could do this little stunt way back in OS 9. Cutting and pasting icons is easy.

    Strange that Microsoft has popped up in this one, huh? Hmm... if I were a conspiracy theorist....

    The real issues is whether it can it replicate itself and whether it can use security holes in OS X to distribute itself to others. I've been round and round with people on this topic and the conclusion is that, at every point, OS X presents too great a hurdle to allow it to occur. You either have to rely on lots of Apple programs working together to do it (which is too unwieldy and too visible to the user) or you have to rely on the more stealthy Unix stuff, much of which is turned off by default (i.e., no using mail quietly in the background to distribute the trojan/virus because sendmail is off by default.)

    It seems to me that Intego is looking to scare people into buying their products and in doing so, they have blown any credibility they have.

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  26. The files are not gone by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    The files are not gone. MSWord 2004 is just converting them all to its native format. Even on a G5 however this will take another 6 days, so simply remain calm and trust to Microsoft.

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  27. Like in biology, viruses have hosts by Theatetus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just to clear things up for you:

    • A virus is a program that runs in the memory space of another executable and replicates itself to other instances of that executable; essentially, it's an unwanted plug-in.
    • A worm is a program that replicates itself against the user's wishes without requiring another executable as a host.
    • A Trojan horse is a program that masquerades as a desired program in order to gain access to the user's system. Trojan horses may or may not replicate themselves.

    This is pretty clearly a Trojan horse: it advertised itself to the lUser as a copy of Microsoft Word in order to gain access to his system. The payload of the unwanted software (be it virus, worm, Trojan, or something else) is irrelevant to its classification.

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    1. Re:Like in biology, viruses have hosts by darco · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are pretty close about the trojan, but your virus/worm definition is a bit off.

      The ONLY difference between a worm and a virus is that a worm actively spreads over a network. A virus needs a human to spread it, either by downloading infected files or swapping disks containing infected files. A worm can spread automaticly, requiring zero (or very little, in the case of viewing your mail) human contact. This is why they are so much more dangerous.

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    2. Re:Like in biology, viruses have hosts by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only on slashdot could the primary discussion on a topic end up discussing the terminology itself rather than the issue at hand :)

  28. Props to the adult movie studios for public betas by sjf · · Score: 5, Funny

    If all those adult video companies seed betas of their movies on LimeWire, why is it unreasonable to believe that Microsoft wouldn't do the same with software ?

    Just make sure you help them out by providing feedback...

  29. Aha! by karnifex · · Score: 5, Funny
    to my delight the Microsoft icon looked genuine and trustworthy

    This is where everything started to go wrong.

  30. Re:I think of the old yarn by 3dr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This guy deserved it. "I downloaded it thinking Microsoft may have released a public beta." Oh come on, the attempt at piracy is entirely clear.

    Everyone else knows that they never release applications for public beta testing. They only release operating systems as public betas.

  31. Well, you're close... by Theatetus · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'll quote wikipedia...

    A computer worm is a self-replicating computer program, similar to a computer virus. A virus attaches itself to, and becomes part of, another executable program; a worm is self-contained and does not need to be part of another program to propagate itself.

    So, to reiterate: a virus requires another executable as a host, a worm does not. That is the difference between the two.

    The concept of a "trojan horse" is somewhat orthogonal to that of "virus" or "worm", though I think it is a distinct enough phenomenon to warrant its own designation.

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  32. I think... by Cyno01 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That if i refered to someone as being "404", even my geekier friends would slap me. Almost as bad as the time i heard someone using the future slang from tom clancy's net force books...

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  33. Feature Suggestion - launch as untrusted by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it would be a good idea to have a feature in OS X that could launch a program as "untrusted". It should be able to restrict the programs access to the file system, the network stack, etc. Kind of like what .Net does, except not as extreme.

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  34. 7 levels of conspiracy theories by Warlock48 · · Score: 5, Funny
    1- Some guy made a bad joke
    2- A Mac zealot did it coz' he doesn't like Microsoft stuff running on Macs
    3- Microsoft did it to teach pirates a lesson
    4- A Linux zealot did it to discredit Microsoft
    5- A BSD zealot did it to discredit Linux
    6- SCO did it because they own the IP of all Unix-based systems, so there
    7- Kevin Bacon did it

    ... Obviously, any of the above was controlled by NSA's orbital mind-controlling ''lasers''.

  35. Re:I think of the old yarn by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heh, Limewire is a well known app for getting warez^H^H^H^H^Hbetas from. He was probably also getting a beta of some albums he liked too.

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  36. pirate who found something odd by Agile+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny
    Ok, let's see here. He's poking around on limeware looking to get some free software. I'll call it piracy, you can call it "unauthorized downloading of a copyrighted work".

    So anyway, this guy downloaded something, and *GASP* his ignorance of what software is out there made him get something he didn't want.

    This might be kind of funny if its a friend of yours, but seriously folks, is this really front page material for slashdot? I love this site, I truly do, but please editors at least have some standards for what gets on the front page.

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  37. the best part by SQLz · · Score: 4, Funny
    The file unzipped, and to my delight the Microsoft icon looked genuine and trustworthy.

    Its all about the icon baby, all about the icon. As long as that *looks* legit, you know the warez are genuine. bahahaha.

  38. A note from Intego by theolein · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q&A from Intego regarding Trojan Horse

    Where did Intego first find out about this Trojan horse?
    Intego, after writing and releasing the first mp3 trojan for the Mac OSX platform in order to improve our business, decided to write a dangerous Applescript, give it an installer icon and release it in order to further generate sales for our otherwise uselss AV products that no one wants. Even though this is not a real trojan and this approach involves social engineering that has been known about for years (We initially considered simply writing a readme file that instructed the user to type "rm -rf ~/" in the terminal, but thought that that would be too complex) we know thta our approach, known as the SCO school of IT business, is guaranteed to raise revenue.

    Have you informed Apple, Microsoft and the CERT about this Trojan horse?
    Yes, we informed Apple, Microsoft and the CERT as soon as had done our first working Applescript. They were very proud of us. Especially the people at Microsoft.

    Has Microsoft made any comments about this Trojan horse?
    Microsoft made the following comments: "Microsoft has verified that it does not write or encourage others to write trojans for the Macintosh platform. Microsoft, however, certainly is not above offering the occasional tip when it comes to torpedoing other company's platforms"

  39. TEN Seconds? by bfg9000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    'I clicked on the installer file, and to my horror in 10 seconds the attachment had wiped my entire Home folder!'

    Whaaaat? TEN FRICKIN' SECONDS!!! Dude, you need to upgrade. My G5 smoked my home directory in TWO.

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