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Age Discrimination, Indian-Style

theodp writes "In April, IBM CEO Samuel Palmisano told investors Big Blue hopes to dodge an estimated $6 billion in liability stemming from a judge's ruling that IBM violated U.S. federal age discrimination laws. In May, IBM closes on its $150-$200MM purchase of Indian outsourcer Daksh, whose age requirements for job applicants make Logan's Run seem progressive. On its Opportunities page, Daksh states that Customer Care Specialists should be between 21-25 years of age and Team Leaders should be no older than 27. Early Daksh investors included Citigroup and we-don't-need-no-stinking-unions Amazon."

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  1. That's what is wonderful about outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's not legal in one country, just outsource to another where it is legal.

  2. Let's make one thing crystal clear by Henrik+S.+Hansen · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's make one thing crystal clear:

    The only reasons companies discriminate based on age is that younger people are easier to persuade to work harder, longer hours, and that they usually doesn't require as high pay as older, more experienced applicants.

    It is NOT because younger people are smarter or brighter than older people. And who says they are, anyway? IMO, any supposed loss in thinking quickly is easily made up by the experience and better problem solving skills of older people.

    1. Re:Let's make one thing crystal clear by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 5, Insightful

      younger people are easier to persuade to work harder, longer hours, and that they usually doesn't require as high pay as older, more experienced applicants.

      It is NOT because younger people are smarter or brighter than older people


      Younger people are not bright when it comes to refusing to work overtime so much that it destroys health and family life.

      I know that often they can't refuse to work hard, because jobs are hard to come by these days and some other youngster is ready to take the place, but also it's usually illegal to fire someone for refusing gross overtime. The only trouble for young people is how do you prove you were fired by your boss on that ground in court.

    2. Re:Let's make one thing crystal clear by NitsujTPU · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude... What are you talking about? I'm young and work only 60 hours a week and travel only 85% of the time. ...so there!

  3. Retirement: Whoo hoo! by ScriptMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cool. It looks like I'd be up for retirement on my 26th birthday (10 weeks from now) if I worked there. I'm sure the pension plan includes all the starvation I can eat. Famine. mmm....

  4. HR's business by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why do they want to make the age requirement public? This can be discretely discussed with the HR department and just filter anyone over xx age out automatically.

  5. Re:Well.. by lawngnome · · Score: 5, Funny

    You just want everything dont you? back in my day we had to read manuals! and half the time they were in another language! *looks at his vcr blinking 12:00 and weeps bitterly*

  6. story text is misleading by poincare · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article: A judge ruled last summer the pension changes IBM made in the 1990s violated federal age discrimination laws. Palmisano said Tuesday IBM hopes to win the case on appeal and avoid an estimated $6 billion in liability.

    IBM has discrimiated against older workers in the past, and they're buying a company that discrimiates against aged works now, but other than sharing the common feature of discrimination by big blue, these two events are unrelated.

  7. Time to UNIONIZE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is outrageous, yes, but was it really unexpected? With all these companies outsourcing American IT jobs to the Far East, there is only one soultion, one that will keep American corporations from exploiting their workers, both at home and abroad: unionization.

    I've heard a lot of arguments against this in my time (many of them on Slashdot), and most of them boiled down to this: IT workers, as professionals, shouldn't unionize. Unions are for blue-collar workers. While I suppose this is a nice way to think about your job and make you feel better about paying tens of thousands of dollars a year for a degree in Information Studies, it's ignoring reality. Perhaps the best way I've seen someone put it is, in reply to someone complaining about needing a buzzword-compliant resume, that such requirements should be a clue that IT workers are now a commodity. Like it or not, IT is the new factory worker of the 21st century, and if IT workers don't wake up and unionize, they'll get screwed so fast their heads will spin.

    Maybe the AFL-CIO or UAW would be up to the task? They're only a postage stamp or a phone call away.

  8. Re:Nice theory, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "(actually, they teach a neutral accent they call "Global English") "

    I've received quotes from Indian outsourcing companies where they could supply a staff of people who spoke (a) brittish, (b) southern/texas, and (c) american/california accents, and promised they'd adjust their style to match the caller.

    They also quoted rates for having the staff read the local newspaper of key markets so they could make appropriate comments about the weather, ball games, etc.

    This service was much more expensive than the competitor's heavy-indian accent bid, though.

  9. We can only hope for one thing by hemp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Renewel on carousel!!

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  10. Re:reverse age discrimination by Arcanix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, this all sounds great but personally I would prefer not to have a bunch of kids who have no clue about the real world and no concept of responsibility be selecting who will run this country.

    The problem with 14-17 year olds is not in their lack of intelligence, but in their lack of common sense. I think the main issue is that the majority of kids do not support themselves and until they do the really shouldn't have much of a say in how things should go.

    I suppose I could possibly support a measure for them voting if they were not claimed as a dependent on anyone's tax return.

  11. Answer by Adam9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I didn't know why they consider blood type as a hiring factor, so I found this:

    Personality assessment through blood type analysis has been prevalent in Japan sine the early 1970's. The Japanese term for this theory is 'ketsu-eki-gata', and is taken surprisingly seriously by the people from that part of the world. Books have been published on the topic, selling very well. In fact, Toshitaka Nomi has published over twenty-five books, and is considered the worlds leading expert on the topic. The blood type categories are used in a similar way to astrology in the west, focusing mostly on relationship aspects of life. Nomi goes further in his books though, even using blood type make up within a country as a theory for that nationality's general national traits.

    Japanese companies often take blood type into consideration when hiring employees, to ensure harmony throughout the staff. All the major car companies in Japan have reorganised themselves in order to attain positive blood type combinations in different working sectors. Surveys have been carried out to try and determine the preferences of different blood types, be it for food, clothes or any recreational activity. It is also a popular topic of conversation in social settings.


    More can be found here.

  12. Trust free markets by argoff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a company doens't hire someone because they're too old, then let them suffer the natural consequences of not getting the most effective people for the job. If a company hires a young person because they can pay them cheap and exploit them - make your own company, hire tham away, pay them more and pick the cream of the crop at will.

    Of course, sometimes companies take advantage of the system to expolit people, like communisim. Other times they take advantage of phoney property rights like copyright and patnet monopolies, other times they take advantage of false barriers to entry - like excessive regulation of the railroad industry, or RF frequencies. Not to mention our centralized monitary/tax system routinely rips people off, and locks people into the system when it comes to credit or money. - But from my experience, these problems have more to do with the publics poor belief systems than free markets.

    Moral: societies that have more libertarian values have more economic prosperity for the little guy.