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Mac OS X 10.3.4 Released

sizemoresr writes "The 10.3.4 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.3 'Panther' and is recommended for all users. Key enhancements include: improved file sharing and directory services for Mac (AFP), UNIX (NFS), PPTP, and wireless networks; improved OpenGL technology and updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers; improved disc burning and recording functionality; iPods connected via USB 2.0 are now recognized by iTunes and iSync; additional FireWire audio and USB device compatibility; updated Address Book, Mail, Safari, Stickies, and QuickTime applications; improved compatibility for third party applications; previous standalone security updates."

166 comments

  1. Hopefully it fixes the recent exploits by javester · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FP!
    However, I wish Apple would provide more information on their updates. They are so generalized.
    If they're serious about the Enterprise space, this is a must do.

    1. Re:Hopefully it fixes the recent exploits by BigBir3d · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Good luck with that. By nature, they are a company that no longer believes in open disclosure as they used to... :(

    2. Re:Hopefully it fixes the recent exploits by MisterSquid · · Score: 5, Informative

      However, I wish Apple would provide more information on their updates.

      Apple always provides complete information about their updates in the Apple Knowledgebase. The information for the 10.3.4 update is here.

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    3. Re:Hopefully it fixes the recent exploits by huber · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Mod parent down. Apparently hes too damn lazy to bother to look at apple KBA's. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107 923

    4. Re:Hopefully it fixes the recent exploits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the Knowledgebase:

      You can now use more kinds of disk image volumes when the Mac OS X Panther language is set to Devanagari (Hindi, Marati, Nepali, or Sanskrit language), Gujarati, or Gurmukhi (Panjabi).

      Well, thank God for that! It's been a pain in the butt trying to install software here in Gurmuk.

    5. Re:Hopefully it fixes the recent exploits by javester · · Score: 1

      Whoa!
      Talk about responsiveness!!!
      I made this comment on the 26th and lo and behold, today's Security Update is brimming with info, even CVE IDs!
      Way to go Apple!

  2. The question is.. by Carlos+Silva · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I grab it off Limewire?

    1. Re:The question is.. by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not yet but there's a bitchin' version of Office 2004 to be had there....

    2. Re:The question is.. by Zestius · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, but if you'll just follow this url, you can get it here: help://panther-10.3.4.dmg ;-)

    3. Re:The question is.. by djtripp · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear the public beta of Word 2004 is fantastic

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  3. I installed it by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    now my hair is falling out, food doesn't taste good anymore, and all my bath towels are missing!

    On the plus side, it now only takes 19 minutes to copy that damn file.

    I guess it's not all bad...

    1. Re:I installed it by Entropy2016 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Geek: New update ... geek urge ... rising ... must resist ... temptation to be update early ...

      Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin: (whispering) From our hiding spot behind this potted plant, we can get a good view of a geek trying to resist his instinct to update his computer. One has to be extremely careful when handling a common Windows geek, since they quite often carry diseases like worms, but this geek appears to come from either a Linux or Mac colony. It looks like this one is fairly calm, possibly domesticated, since he's been showing some self-control ...

      But watch what happens when I yell "new features" ...

  4. No fix on recent exploits by jeffasselin · · Score: 5, Informative

    From what I could see by carefully reading the technical info on it, it doesn't appear to fix the recently discovered protocol handler exploits, apart from the earlier fix for the help: exploit (which doesn't appear to cure ALL help: exploits).

    These exploits are serious, and will require a significant overhaul of the protocol handler code as well as a possible revision on the handling of downloadable disc images in Safari (which is a factor in many of the exploits). Yes, they could have waited, but if 10.3.4 was already ready, I'd prefer for Apple to release it on time and give us the fixes they can right now, and then work on the recent problems to provide us a good security patch (or maybe a 10.3.5) when they've fixed it.

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    1. Re:No fix on recent exploits by ghutchis · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, I've upgraded and can confirm it does not fix any exploits that were not fixed by the recent security update patch (i.e., only the help/runscript exploit).

      I'd agree that a careful overhaul is needed to properly fix these exploits. But the clock is ticking on the exploit problem!

      -Geoff

    2. Re:No fix on recent exploits by pudge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These exploits are serious, and will require a significant overhaul of the protocol handler code

      They are serious, but most of the fixes belong in the apps, not the underlying OS services. It's a matter of filtering unsafe data so it cannot be used for unsafe operations, in the individual applications. That, or disabling the handlers.

      Yes, they could have waited, but if 10.3.4 was already ready, I'd prefer for Apple to release it on time and give us the fixes they can right now, and then work on the recent problems to provide us a good security patch (or maybe a 10.3.5) when they've fixed it.

      Totally agreed. I prefer Apple's "release when ready" rather than "lump all our releases together" approach to security fixes.

    3. Re:No fix on recent exploits by gumbi+west · · Score: 0
      Okay, I'm sorry but how are these exploits even that bad.

      You have to download a .dmg and after the .dmg is downloaded and mounted (takes a few seconds), you have to click on another link. If you click on the link prematurely, you'll probably get an error.

      I see that this is not secure. However, it can not be done with autorefreshs because you have to do two things. In addition, .dmg files are used (in my experience) to distribute applications. If you poeple are downloading .dmgs (that they would think are applications) from untrusted servers, how hard is it to get them anyway?

      Again, I know this isn't secure and does not represent the best design, but it's significantly less likely to actualy get computers mucked up than:

      • a worm
      • an IE exploit that only requires you to visit one webpage
      AND it will never get your dedicated server either (unless you use your server as a PC).
    4. Re:No fix on recent exploits by pediddle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong, it can be done with autorefreshes, and the articles linked from both (three?) of the recent Slashdot articles prove it. In the latest version, the downloaded .img file doesn't even show up in Safari's download window, so you don't even know it's happening!

      Try it, the proof of concept hack does just this.

    5. Re:No fix on recent exploits by spitzak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nonsense. I tried the exploit and it worked. Visiting a web page popped up the finder where it displayed an ftp site, and it then ran a command off this site. It did this all without any intervention of mine except for the initial click to go to that web page. If I clicked and then walked away I would not even see the finder pop up, and I'm not sure if I could have killed it even if I did see the finder. This is a nasty and serious exploit and your denying it is not going to make it go away.

      It sounds like the problem is that programs can register as "protocol handlers" and this is done automatically when the finder sees the file. On Windows (and I guess on Linux) this is done only if you actually run a program (and if a web page could cause a program to be run you have a much more direct exploit).

      It does seem this could be fixed by not installing any handlers until the program is first run. Not sure how hard this is to do or why Apple has not done it yet. It sould also be the responsibility of anybody doing a protocol handler to not do anything dangerous no matter what command line arguments are passed (perhaps url's should add "--" before any arguments so that switches are never passed, any switches should be done by making different protocol handler names).

    6. Re:No fix on recent exploits by Cecil · · Score: 1

      Does it work on Firefox? Because I don't recall ever having a dmg automount for me unless I choose to "Open" it using Firefox, rather than "Save to Disk". FWIW, the same distinction applies to executables, which, for me, makes this no different than a typical trojan horse.

    7. Re:No fix on recent exploits by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 5, Informative
      From the front page of [url=http://www.macintouch.com]Macintouch[/url] today:
      The solution I came up with seems to work perfectly so far, only takes a few seconds to implement, and doesn't require installing any third-party software as other solutions I've seen do:

      Go to /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/chrome
      O pen all.js in any text editor, though preferably vim. :)
      Search for the term "protocol-handler".
      Under the two lines addressing "mailto" and "news", add the following lines of code:
      pref("network.protocol-handler.external.hel p" , false); // disable help protocol
      pref("network.protocol-handler.external. disk" , false); // disable disk protocol

      Restart Firefox.
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      Moof!

    8. Re:No fix on recent exploits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw, crap, &*(@#$&*(@#$ database maintenance prevented me from proofreading. If only I'd hit preview one more time...

    9. Re:No fix on recent exploits by Cecil · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the information.

    10. Re:No fix on recent exploits by EverLurking · · Score: 1
      Hmmm...I was just thinking, could you simply create a .css style sheet for Safari (and other Browsers) that could patch this URI handler vulnerability?

      DaveC

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    11. Re:No fix on recent exploits by pudge · · Score: 1

      No.

    12. Re:No fix on recent exploits by Game+Genie · · Score: 1

      Too bad the Safari prefs aren't so wide open...

      -

  5. Thanks! by Apiakun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ahh, thank you ssh and apple for allowing me to do this: ($:~)-> softwareupdate -i MacOSXUpdate10.3.4-10.3.4 Now my box will be nice and updated before I even leave work.

    1. Re:Thanks! by spitzak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dammit, my Ibook is actually on and plugged into the network at home, but the lid is closed, so it ignores me.

      Why can't they make it wake up on ssh connections somehow?

    2. Re:Thanks! by volsung · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm pretty sure wake-on-lan is possible, but running your iBook with the lid closed is not very good for it. Using pbbuttonsd on Gentoo PPC, I once set the laptop not to sleep with the lid closed. Left for a couple hours while it did some stuff, and when I came back it was really hot! The iBook seems to be designed for heat exchange through the keyboard.

      That said, it would probably be okay if you kept the load low. You can check out Screen Spanning Doctor, which, in addition to enabling dual-head support on some iBooks, will allow you to run the iBook with the lid shut in OS X. Be warned! The dual-head hack only works for some iBooks, and can damage others, so check the compatibility list.

    3. Re:Thanks! by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm pretty sure wake-on-lan is possible

      It is - see, for example, a knowledgebase article on it - but that's "wake on magic packet" (or Magic Packet(TM)) wake-on-LAN, not the more general packet matching wakeup that some network interfaces support.

      I.e., the machine won't automatically wake up when you try to ssh into it; you need to send it a Magic Packet(TM) to wake it up. A packet-matching wakeup might be able to match incoming unicast packets to the machine, broadcast ARP requests asking for the MAC address corresponding to the machine's IP address, and other packets that it would need to respond to, so that attempting to ssh into it would wake it up, without making it respond to various random broadcasts and multicasts for which it wouldn't have to wake up (e.g., a broadcast ARP request for somebody else's MAC address, assuming it doesn't have to reply to that for e.g. proxy ARP purposes).

      However, wake-on-Magic-Packet(TM) might be sufficient for the purposes of the person to whom you responded; I think one purpose for which it was intended was to allow administrators to wake up sleeping machines in order to do various remote administrative operations - including the remote software updates that they wanted to do.

    4. Re:Thanks! by mdray · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, wake on magic packet works. I have my ADSL router set up to forward traffic destined for 9/UDP ('discard' port) on the ADSL interface to be sent to the broadcast address (where my Mac will see it) on my LAN.

      I then use wakeonlan (perl script) to send a magic packet to the router from the internet, which wakes the Mac up. After this I can ssh in to my Mac (port forward for SSH configured on the ADSL router).

      The only problem is that I only get 30 seconds of connectivity before my Mac goes back to sleep. I think this is the amount of time the machine waits for me to type my password on the console, as if I'd woken it up by clicking the mouse. Does anyone have a workaround for this? It's *REALLY* annoying :I

    5. Re:Thanks! by xil · · Score: 3, Informative

      man pmset. You probably want to 'sudo pmset -a sleep 0' when you log in.

    6. Re:Thanks! by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      That's nice, but how do you run Disk Utility/Repair Permissions first?

    7. Re:Thanks! by Apiakun · · Score: 1

      diskutil repairPermissions /

      Yes, it's that easy :)

  6. we are talking a major update here by falcon5768 · · Score: 1, Informative

    its like 41 megs! Wonder if burning support means more supported cd-rw drives

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  7. This should help. by Padrino121 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple's KB article on the 10.3.4 update. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=257 64

  8. For what it's worth.... by Paladeen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For what it's worth, Safari now reports itself as version 1.2.2 (v125.7).

    1. Re:For what it's worth.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, not only do I own a mac but I am also downloading the 10.3.4, but knowing that Safari now reports itself as 1.2.2 (v125.7) is worth absolutely nothing,

      However, it is cool that you are from Iceland.

    2. Re:For what it's worth.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The version and build numbers are not important, you're right.

      What is important is that Hyatt and his ace crew did not lose any of the bugs we've so come to cherish.

  9. Re:at Apple... by theEd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Didn't you get the customer service brainwashing^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H education. You never say 'hole' or 'bug' to a customer. I remember one time I was in a meeting about an application and how it would relate to the firewall that I was administering. I mentioned that some pinholes would be need to be opened for the specific ports. After that meeting my project manager lectured me that "Don't ever say pinhole to the customer, it's an access point." I mentioned that it was one of the terms we used to describe opening very fine access in a firewall. He replied that I should never say 'hole' to the customer when refering to security. So we would just say 'rule' in the meeting and use the word 'hole' for other descriptors.

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  10. Question by chemstar · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Why doesn't another company do what Apple is doing: take an Open Source structure, and charge for a nice ass desktop environment.

    1. Re:Question by itwerx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why doesn't another company...take an Open Source structure, and charge for a nice ass desktop environment.

      Every commercial product (think Star-Office, Spam-Assassin, etc.) that has an OSS back-end is doing exactly that...

    2. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why did your question include the word "ass"?

      It doesn't seem to have any purpose there, please explain.

    3. Re:Question by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      See also: Novell

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    4. Re:Question by troc · · Score: 2, Funny

      A typing version of Tourette's Syndrome?

      Troc

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    5. Re:Question by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

      because they failed to make them nice enough.

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    6. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its called a coloquialism and if you would get your head out of yours you would have known that.

  11. Cummulative update skip earlier files? by Blinkslowly · · Score: 1

    I just started this 10.3.4 update and it downloaded very quickly. Much quicker than the 41 mb file size would suggest.

    Does this update skip updates that were already released, downloaded and installed?

    1. Re:Cummulative update skip earlier files? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Does this update skip updates that were already released, downloaded and installed?

      The 41MB one contains only the 10.3.3->10.3.4 update, and security patches in between there. There's also a combo version (80MB+ for 10.3.0 -> 10.3.4) which contains all the other updates & security fixes also.

      If you're up to date with 10.3.3 + security patches then most of that 41MB is the new update.

    2. Re:Cummulative update skip earlier files? by Carthag · · Score: 1

      Possibly you didn't notice at the bottom where it said "Partially downloaded: xx%." I just fired up SW Update and it said 85%, so it's a "faster" download for me as well.

    3. Re:Cummulative update skip earlier files? by Mark+Hood · · Score: 1

      Also, OS X 10.3 can download updates 'silently' in the background and prompt you when they're ready.

      I wondered why my browsing was so slow, but then Software Update popped up and said 'want 10.3.4?' When I hit 'yes' it skipped the 40MB download, and went straight to 'unzipping and installing'

      YMMV, I think it's off by default.

      Mark

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  12. URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by EverLurking · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well, rebooted just fine. No issues yet. Browsing and E-mail working well, grabbed my home Wireless 802.11b/g with WPA just fine, if anything, reception is LESS flaky now (fewer dropouts seen on AP Grapher and fewer random loss of connectivity).

    Doesn't seem any slower or faster.

    Most importantly, it looks like some of the URI handler problems/security holes are now patched as well. I had uninstalled the "Paranoid Android" Haxie before the update (to make sure there weren't any install issues) so it was no longer running.

    It looks like none of these exploits seem to work any more after the 10.3.4 update.

    Nice work,

    DaveC

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    1. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by Sneeka2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope, at least this one still works for me...

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    2. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by EverLurking · · Score: 4, Informative
      The remote disk image mounts and I can see the AppleScript MalWare program, but it doesn't execute on its own. This is without any protective measures taken (no redefinition of URL Handlers and no 3rd prarty protective programs).

      I was able to run the applescript manually by clicking on it and it brought the "you have been owned" dialogue box, then when you click on the OK button it exits and dismounts the image automatically. So I know I waited long enough for everything to download. Heck I waited like 5 minutes incase of delayed execution. Nope, the hole is closed for me.

      Note, stopping the execution of the remotely mounted program WON'T protect the user from his stupid self if he/she blindly executes unknown programs/scripts downloaded indiscriminately from the internet, but then again, nothing can protect a dumb ass from themselves.

      Caveat Emptor,

      DaveC

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    3. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by EverLurking · · Score: 1
      Note: I do have the Safari Preference "Open Safe files after downloading" UNCHECKED.

      I actually have always had this unchecked even before the discovery of the URL handler exploits, it just seemed a bit unnerving to me for my Browser to be running stuff for me. Way too....er....Microsoft to be comforting.

      DaveC

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    4. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by pudge · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just ran the Paranoid Android example exploit on a basically unmodified Mac OS X 10.3.4 user account, with no extras or RCDefaultApp or changed settings etc., and it ran just fine. The hole is still there. The "you have been owned" dialogue came up without any interaction from me.

    5. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      wait, so did the exploits work on you BEFORE you updated/installed the patches.

    6. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by Maxwell309 · · Score: 1

      This exploit and this exploit still work under OS 10.3.4. I do not have any 3rd party security software, I did uncheck the open safe files after downloading checkbox in Safari preferences.

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    7. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by lgw4 · · Score: 1
      While I wish this were true, I can't support your claim -- in fact, the only one of these that appears to be fixed after applying 10.3.4 is the Help Viewer exploit. All of the rest still seem to work as advertised. Too bad.


      Oh, well. Back to RCDefaultApp!

    8. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      It looks like none of these exploits seem to work any more after the 10.3.4 update.

      That doesn't mean anything.. those exploits didn't work before because the DMGs are damaged.

      I'd actually be very concerned if Apple fixed the URI handler problems with 10.3.4, because that would mean that they've officially abandoned Jaguar.

    9. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      I have to throw in another negative data point. It didn't seem to work here.

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    10. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by EverLurking · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yes they did work pre 10.3.4, that's what prompted me to use Paranoid Android. I had uninstalled Paranoid Android before updating to 10.3.4

      Again, I've tried all four links and none autoexecute, they just bring up the remote .dmg or ftp folder with the example code in them. NONE of these programs executed for me.

      Is this some residual side effect of having had Paranoid Android on my computer? (ie. are there lasting changes despite having it uninstalled that keeps these programs from running? Paranoid Android used to bring up a confirmation dialog when I clicked on the "Open Energy Saver..." menu option of my Menu Bar Battery Icon asking if it was ok for a URL type file to be executed with System Preferences. Now that it's uninstalled, it no longer does that so I KNOW Paranoid Android is now completely gone, even went into /Library and delete the Haxie PreferencePane.) A few others have reported that the URL Handler exploit doesn't work anymore after the update.

      I did NOT previously modify any URI Handlers by hand nor did I delete any applications prior to this update. If being protected is an isolated effect, I'm glad I got lucky I guess.

      DaveC

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    11. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by cft_128 · · Score: 3, Informative

      On my 'virgin' 10.3.3 machine unchecking "Open Safe files after downloading" in Safari preferences stops at least this exploit. No matter what it mounts the image, but with "Open Safe files after downloading" unchecked it will not run the script that is in the image.

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    12. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by fyonn · · Score: 1

      I'd actually be very concerned if Apple fixed the URI handler problems with 10.3.4, because that would mean that they've officially abandoned Jaguar.

      how would it mean that? cos they might have fixed a bug in 10.3 doesn't mean that they won't fix it in 10.2 later. I beleive that this often happens, fix in latest first, catch up with the older os later.

      dave

    13. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Caveat Emptor"

      That means (roughly) "let the buyer beware". Chances are if you pay for it, it isn't a malicious script. Unfortunately, I can't recall the Latin for pirate.

    14. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is this some residual side effect of having had Paranoid Android on my computer?

      What a shame you will never know cos the bastard what wrote PA refuses to say how it works or where the hole is he's supposed to plug.

      They drink a lot of Kool-Aid at Unsanity.

    15. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by Unregistered · · Score: 1

      The FTP exploit worked in Safari, but not firefox. The disk image one didn't work ion either. The help viewer one only poened the help viewer in both, it never did anything else. The ssh one didn't do anything in firefox and when opened from safari, ssh did open, but died with an error. The second time, nothing happened.

    16. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you guys are really _that_ paranoid, why not just get little snitch and block any access to anything you feel is fishy. Quit bitching about a minor security hole (when you know what is going on) and figure out your options in how to fix it.

    17. Re:URL Handler Exploits appear to be fixed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I can't recall the Latin for pirate.
      "copia-privilgium infringere"
  13. Re:at Apple... by ross_winn · · Score: 1

    wow, your boss soounds like a real 'rule', or hole (to use another descriptor)... ;)

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  14. Exploits are Fixed by EverLurking · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you try the various example exploit links, you will find that while the remote disk images/ftp servers do mount, none of the ssh, applescript or other commands on them are executed. Thus the URL Handler exploit hole appears for now appears to be a non-issue while retaining the convenience of being able to mount remote files/disk images.

    See this post for the links to the exploit examples I tested against. (I had not modified any of my URL handlers at all, and had already uninstalled "Paranoid Android" prior to updating so my system was unprotected from the old URL exploits).

    While the immediate danger seems to be gone, the halcyon days of being a OS X User seem to be gone now that we have the attention of the various asshole hacker/script-kiddies out there. Just a matter of time before some other hole is found (but it is inevitable with any software as complex and interoperable as an Operating System).

    Still, I'll take my chances with OS X over Windows ANY day.

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    1. Re:Exploits are Fixed by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      Are you sure, I just gave it a try and the first one worked.

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    2. Re:Exploits are Fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      had already uninstalled "Paranoid Android"

      Forgive my obtusemess, but how good an uninstall do Unsanity do anyway?

    3. Re:Exploits are Fixed by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      go to ~/Library/Application Enhancers

      delete the file for the haxie you want gone.

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    4. Re:Exploits are Fixed by gryphokk · · Score: 2, Funny

      How much would wood a wouldchuck tzuk...

      Oh, never mind -182 off-topic.

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  15. FireWire Audio devices... by Sneeka2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, it really seems to improve compatibility with my M-Audio Firewire 410 audio card. It now connects immediately, where before I had to try at least twice most of the time. Also the preferences are saved more reliably it seems, where before you needed to be lucky and do some odd standby/reboot combinations for preferences to be saved...

    Thanks Apple!

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  16. Fixed my PPTP problem by golo · · Score: 2

    10.3 broke PPTP which I need to connect to my ISP (via cable), now they added an option to disable encryption (apparently MPPE) and that fixed it.
    For connecting in 10.3.3 I had to use a shell script but now it works from the GUI too.

  17. Confirm? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
    Can anyone confirm this? There's nothing that I see in the technote about it. The only security note there is that 10.3.4 incorporates previous security updates. Which means the help: vulnerability is solved (with an updated application) but not telnet:, ssh:, disk:, etc. Do you still have RCDefault Apps installed after the upgrade?

    It seems odd to me that they would fix such a major security flaw so quickly and quietly. I mean, I'd expect them to toot their horn at least a little bit about it....

    1. Re:Confirm? by javax · · Score: 1

      nope, sorry but at least the first one still works!

  18. Re:Burning support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think burning support means that they're going to be a lot more sympathetic to your endless stories about painful urination. Or it could be this from the Knowledge Base:
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?art num=256 05
    Mac OS X 10.3: A disc doesn't appear in the Finder after you burn it
    Learn how to troubleshoot a disc that doesn't appear in the Finder after you burn it, with Mac OS X 10.3 through 10.3.3. A disc that doesn't appear in the Finder after you burn it is probably OK if no alerts appeared while it was being burned. Simply eject the disc and reinsert it to make it appear in the Finder. You only need to do this one time after burning the disc. Eject the disc by pressing the Media Eject key or the F12 key. Update to Mac OS X 10.3.4 or later to avoid this issue.

  19. anacron-like update? by mrgeometry · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=257 64:

    Addresses an issue in which scheduled items, such as automated backups or Software Update checks, may not work if the computer is asleep at the scheduled time. With this update, the schedule will run once the computer wakes from sleep.

    What about the periodic scripts (daily, weekly, monthly)? Is anacron now unnecessary?

    zach

    1. Re:anacron-like update? by hankster164 · · Score: 1

      I found that anacron kept me from seeing my localhost IMAP SSL mailserver emails. It hid my systems cron messages, and other root emails from me in Mail.app. once i removed anacron, I was able to see the missing mail.

    2. Re:anacron-like update? by seann · · Score: 1

      Anyone know what even it watches for to know that it just woke from sleep?

      Or does it do sleep math.

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    3. Re:anacron-like update? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd assume that this issue addresses the various OS X schedules, and not the Darwin cron daemon. The cron daemon is what drives the periodics scripts.

      From a look at the Archive.bom file, cron was not touched in this update.

      Of course, it's possible that Apple has some OS X specific hack around the cron way of doing things that was fixed in one of the other many files that this update affected.

      I see no evidence to suggest this, however.

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  20. ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've put up a test page at http://test.doit.wisc.edu/, and the exploit still works via afp, ftp, disk, and downloadable file in the default configuration of Mac OS X 10.3.4.

    To protect yourself, you still MUST:

    - disable "open safe files after download" in Safari

    - disable the following protocols (or reassign to a helper other than Finder):

    afp
    ftp
    disk
    disks

    and additionally:

    telnet
    ssh

    and/or install Paranoid Android

    Hopefully Apple will find a reasonable resolution for this soon.

    1. Re:ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by EverLurking · · Score: 2, Informative
      Tried all those links, none auto execute the programs on the auto-mounted directories. Beginning to think this is a residual effect of having had Paranoid Android on my system.

      DaveC

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    2. Re:ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying the automated versions at the bottom of the page, and waiting 15 seconds? Are you using Safari?

    3. Re:ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by Hanji · · Score: 1

      Can't speak for the others, but I've done some experimenting, and the ssh:// one at least is fixed. LaunchServices now passes the entire URL specified as the URL to connect to instead of letting it get parsed as ssh's command-line, so that exploit should be closed, unless someone a lot more cunning than I can figure out how to break it.

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    4. Re:ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by EverLurking · · Score: 1, Informative
      Yup, just did each and every one of them, twice even (reload button) after 1-2 minutes, the disk/remote file may have mounted but the program never executes on its own.

      Hmmmm....Since I can't try it now, someone who has these a system where these exploits work, try installing Paranoid Android 1.2 (though under 10.3.3 I had at initially installed P.A. 1.0, then upgraded to 1.1 then 1.2 as each release came out), then verify that it works and pops up the appropriate warning dialogue. Then, uninstall Paranoid Android and see if these exploits work anymore.

      Honest, I'm not getting any more response to ANY of the exploit links beyond mounting of images/directories. Some one help me verify this before I start doubting my own eyes. I suppose I could try a reboot and see if the vulnerability comes back, but then again, I'm protected now (somehow!!! and yet URL Handlers locally still work, it'd be good to be able to reproduce this) and why screw with a good thing?

      DaveC

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    5. Re:ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by EverLurking · · Score: 1
      Are you also seeing that the exploits are closed on your system?

      I wonder why this update is having such a wide variation in response to the URL Handler exploit?

      DaveC

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    6. Re:ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Informative

      RCDefaultApp is a simpler way to take care of this. It installs as a Preference Pane, and lets you assign default handlers to (or unassociate completely) the various protocols like afp:, disk:, etc.

      As a bonus you can use it to change your default browser without first having to launch Safari. :-)

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    7. Re:ALL exploits still work under 10.3.4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you didn't reboot PA is probably still running, I think someone else reported this before when they thought they'd removed it. Remove all trace of it and try rebooting.

  21. Safari is way faster by jeffehobbs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and I bet it's a result of this.

    This algorithm completely transforms the feel of Safari over DSL and modem connections. Page content usually comes screaming in at the 250ms mark, and if the page isn't quite ready at the 250ms, it's usually ready shortly after (at the 300-500ms mark). In the rare cases where you have nothing to display, you wait until the 1 second mark still. This algorithm makes "white flashing" quite rare (you'll typically only see it on a very slow site that is taking a long time to give you data), and it makes Safari feel orders of magnitude faster on slower network connections.

    Because Safari waits for a minimum threshold (and waits to schedule until the threshold is exceeded, benchmarks won't be adversely affected as long as you typically beat the minimum threshold. Otherwise the overall page load speed will degrade slightly in real-world usage, but I believe that to be well-worth the decrease in the time required to show displayable content.

    1. Re:Safari is way faster by pualo · · Score: 4, Informative
      This change is not present in the 10.3.4 version of Safari. Dave Hyatt writes in the comments to his blog:
      It's a placebo. The Safari in 10.3.4 contains only a handful of fixes and is no faster than previous versions.
      He also later writes/;
      I suppose something could have made it faster. In our internal tests it's no faster. As far as WebCore code, there are a slew of bugs fixes, but those are mostly for the regressions from 1.1.
  22. 10.3.4 update on DualG5... by BobWeiner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...installed without any issue on both Dual G5 and single processor G5 systems. Initial impressions -- my Dual G5 system does appear to run snappier -- GUI response even better than it was in 10.3.3 -- no doubt the result of the improved video drivers in the update. No problems with the update whatsoever -- the update downloaded in a few minutes with a broadband condition.

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    1. Re:10.3.4 update on DualG5... by Maelikai · · Score: 4, Funny

      >> my Dual G5 system does appear to run snappier

      prick. :)

    2. Re:10.3.4 update on DualG5... by weave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only a Mac user would assume an update or upgrade will make their computer run faster. Us Windows users are just resigned to the fact that each improvement comes at the cost of performance, but we can always run out and buy a faster box to compensate. Whatssamatterwithyall?!

    3. Re:10.3.4 update on DualG5... by snuffdiddy23 · · Score: 1

      the updated did renew fresh 5/22/04 binaries of the SystemUIServer and many of the graphics card drivers. if you in the windows world don't think a graphics card driver won't improve performance you can just run out and buy an new box with stock ms drivers to compensate.

  23. Accidentally installed it. by SkiingOnMars · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was re-installing panther on a new hard disk for my cube, and did the software update thing after i got it running. When I saw 10.3.4 update, i was blankly confused, but clicked ahead anyway for some reason. Now, two hours later, I'm reading Slashdot and realizing that there actually was a new update today, and feeling like a software-installing Forrest Gump, happening to be at the 'right' place at the 'right' time.

    Everything is cool so far, but I feel like a total idiot for not noticing. And yet I feel compelled to tell this to other people...

  24. Re:at Apple... by tyrione · · Score: 1

    Your boss is trying to get you to view life from the prospective customer who doesn't give a rat's ass from a hole in the ground. But thanks to the digital press media's rampid hyperbole the term 'hole' is now becoming synonymous with virus and job security.

  25. Safari by zpok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Damn, Safari is fast!!!!

    Updated on Cube - against better judgement, for better firewire drive compatibility - and all seems well...

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  26. Needed to reboot twice.. by hankster164 · · Score: 1

    Applied the update..upon reboot trackpad on my Pismo 500Mhz didnt work at all. After second reboot it worked fine..looking for more anomalies..2 b continued...MU HAH HAH HA

  27. Anyone here maliciously hit? by scienceninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Alot of the comments so far have been "I hope the exploit was fixed." But was anyone actually hit by the exploit in a malicious manner. Granted, its something that should be patched, but what has the demand for it been like? Other than the example links floating around, I havn't really seen it anywhere else.

    1. Re:Anyone here maliciously hit? by bw5353 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "But was anyone actually hit by the exploit in a malicious manner. Granted, its something that should be patched, but what has the demand for it been like? Other than the example links floating around, I havn't really seen it anywhere else. "

      The demand was the same one as for you to have a working lock on your front door when you buy a new house, even if there may be no burglars around right then right there.

      I'm sure no one has been hit for real. We would have heard about it at /.

  28. Safari crashed on java web site by hankster164 · · Score: 1

    while rendering a site that contains alot of javascript and java. safari crashed hard. I sent the report to apple. back to the lab.

    1. Re:Safari crashed on java web site by bearded_yak · · Score: 1

      I've seen this happen quite often on sites loaded with scripts with poorly-formed code. It has plagued my users since Safari debuted. I don't see much change in it with this update. I fight through it myself, but my users are getting frustrated and backing down to their previous browsers.

  29. Version Numbering Schemes by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like Apple isn't going to retire the 'Version 10' on their current MacOS version anytime soon. Will they indefinitely release .dot versions? It's not a negative question, nor is it necessarily a bad thing for them to do so.

    NetBSD is still at version 1 (1.6.2 is the latest I am running) and Solaris has been at version 2 through all the versions (2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 2.8, etc.) for years, even though they call 2.8 Solaris 8.

    Just an interesting thing to ponder. There's enough difference between the initial MacOS X release and the current release that they should definitely have different version numbers.

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    1. Re:Version Numbering Schemes by wibs · · Score: 1

      There's enough difference between the initial MacOS X release and the current release that they should definitely have different version numbers.

      Compared to OS 8.5 vs OS 9, I would definitely agree. But then again I always considered 9 to be what 8.6 should have been, and never actually bought it (until it came bundled wth 10.1 and my next mac).

      So I guess what I'm trying to say is that while it's more worthy of a version number update than past releases, those past releases didn't deserve it either.

      Oh, and OS 10 just sounds cool.

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    2. Re:Version Numbering Schemes by mousehouse · · Score: 1
      i think you're slightly off on the Solaris software versions...

      SunOS 5.8 is calles Solaris 8, SunOS 5.9 is called Solaris 9. Versions before that were called SunOS . If you do a 'uname -a' on a Solaris 8 or 9 box it will still tell you it's SunOS 5.something.

      Basically Apple is doing the same with it's version numbering. The 10.1, .2 etc. all get their special name (that started out as the internal development branch name). After 10.4 they'll probably stick to the O-Esss-Ax name even if they upgrade the major version number to 11.

      But that's marketing :-)

    3. Re:Version Numbering Schemes by tim1724 · · Score: 1
      SunOS 5.8 is calles Solaris 8, SunOS 5.9 is called Solaris 9. Versions before that were called SunOS . If you do a 'uname -a' on a Solaris 8 or 9 box it will still tell you it's SunOS 5.something.
      Solaris 1 == retroactively applied term for late versions of SunOS 4
      Solaris 2.x == SunOS 5.x
      solaris x (x >=8) == Solaris 2.x == SunOS 5.x
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  30. Howto add unsuported drives: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This text is slightly modified from:

    http://www.cilly.dyndns.org/calabar/docs/ Mac%20OS%20X%2010.3%20-%20add%20support%20for%20an y%20third-party%20CD-R%20burner.txt

    For Mac OS X 10.3 (aka Panther) ONLY!

    Add support for any third-party CD-R burner

    Do the following command in Terminal.app (note that $ is the prompt):

    $ drutil info

    It will give you a similar output:

    Vendor Product Rev
    PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W4012A 1.05

    Interconnect: FireWire
    SupportLevel: None
    Cache: 4096k
    CD-Write:
    DVD-Write:
    Strategies:

    You should add burner support for all users:

    $ sudo mkdir -p /Library/DiscRecording/DeviceProfiles/

    Then create a file with a similar name in the above directory:

    $ cd /Library/DiscRecording/DeviceProfiles/

    $ sudo pico PX-W4012A.drprofile (use your_burner_name.drprofile)

    With a similar content (copy and paste exactly the words from your drutil info below):

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
    <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
    <plist version="1.0">
    <array>
    <dict>
    <key>DRDevicePersonalities</key>
    &nbs p; <array>
    <dict>
    <key>DRDeviceProductName</key>
    <string>CD-R PX-W4012A</string>
    <key>DRDeviceVendorName</key>
    <string>PLEXTOR</string>
    </dict>
    </array>
    <key>DRDeviceProfile</key>
    <dict>
    <key>DRDeviceDescription</key>
    <string>40x12x40x PlexWriter</string>
    </dict>
    <key>DRDeviceProfileVersion</key>
    <integer>1</integer>
    </dict>
    </array>
    </plist>

    If you look at this string:

    <string>CD-R PX-W4012A</string>

    You see that there are more spaces than just only one!

    Copy the output of the Product-info you got with the drutil command.

    Vendor Product Rev
    PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W4012A 1.05

    You can verify in "System Profiler.app" if you applied your hack successfully:

    Disc Burning: DRDeviceSupportLevelUnsupported

    Have fun burning!

  31. the _real_ question is...... by ihatewinXP · · Score: 1

    What is the improved functionality in "Stickies?"

    because i know that help 'sploits and ical performance are way back on my list - and being 'the typical' mac user i dont care about these things - but stickie updates... ohhhh yeah

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    1. Re:the _real_ question is...... by chrismear · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know the comment was a joke, but in case anyone's interested, the update apparently fixes an issue where the Stickies app would access the hard drive every five minutes, even when idle.

    2. Re:the _real_ question is...... by djtripp · · Score: 1

      Actually the Stickies improvement is that it no longer constantly writes information to the hard drive... that's been driving me crazy...

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  32. Anyone using PithHelmet with the new Safari? by mccalli · · Score: 1
    I'm at work at the moment and won't be able to update until later this evening. In the meantime, could someone who's both upgraded and is a PithHelmet user let me know if it still works?

    Thanks,
    Ian

    1. Re:Anyone using PithHelmet with the new Safari? by wtmcgee · · Score: 1

      pithhelmet works just fine :)

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  33. I was being protected by Privoxy!!! by EverLurking · · Score: 4, Informative
    I finally figured out why I wasn't getting hit by the sample exploit code when others were. It was Privoxy preventing auto-refreshes that executed the code after mounting the image. Not a bad side effect really. I must have had Privoxy Disabled when I was testing the exploits out on 10.3.3

    OK, so my setup is apparently somewhat resistant for now, not bullet proof but nice to know: 10.3.4, disabled the "Open Safe files" option, running Privoxy (which is set to default actions)

    The help viewer URL problem is apparently patched and so is the SSL hole (according to another post on this page) so that is a comfort. Not the cleanest fix but in my case it works well.

    Sorry for the wild goosechase or if I mislead anyone into thinking the problem had completely disappeared. On first inspection, it REALLY did seem to me that I wasn't vulnerable...well I wasn't, but no thanks to Apple.

    DaveC

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  34. X11 by pr0nbot · · Score: 2, Informative

    With multiple monitors, X11 applications now seem to start in the primary monitor rather than in the leftmost monitor.

    1. Re:X11 by burns210 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      well thank god they finally fixed THAT crucial bug.

  35. New problem, crashing white windows... by ericandrade · · Score: 1

    My system softly crashed in a very strange way...

    It started with the finder bar. The battery and airport icons turned sort of transparent, displaying documents from my desktop (which are never that high up) over a black background.

    It was the first time I saw OS X make my background image go black.

    Gradually, every application window started to turn completely white. I had to exposé to identify which program I was shutting down. Movements remained coherent.

    Then the airport icon appeared in the central area of the screen, and was attached to the left upper corner of a document. It moved around when I moved the document.

    Rectangles of white owned the screen. Couldn't kill them.
    Resorted to logging out.

    damn

    1. Re:New problem, crashing white windows... by norkakn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but how great is it that a "crash" is fixed by logging out? Still annoying, but I'll take this over windows anyday (-:

  36. Safari table copy still broken by setesh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Safari may now seem faster but table copies are *still* broken. To see this, copy a table in Safari and then paste it into excel. What have Apple got against tabs.

    This is a real show stopper for me since I often generate tables from a web database and need to paste the results into excel.

    What is worse, this was fixed in a much earlier version of Safari and was then broken again and has remained so ever since.

    I have used the Bug button to report this many times but apparently these go unread....sigh... time to start explorer up yet again.

  37. Questions for Xserve running 10.3.3 Server by amichalo · · Score: 1

    Two questions regarding a G5 Xserve with 10.3.3 Server:
    (1) Is this update for Server or only the client version of OS X?
    (2) Will this or other updates make changes to/overwrite existing configuration files that have been customized? (Specifically httpd.conf, php.ini, and the default /Library/WebServer/Documents directory)

    In general what are best practicices for applying patches to production environments?

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    1. Re:Questions for Xserve running 10.3.3 Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From looking at versiontracker.com, there appears to be an update for Server and Client. I did the update on my dual G5 (formally node #1066 of VirginiaTech's System X/Big Mac) and everything appears to be fine - all config's seem to be untouched, or at least un altered; DNS, PostFix, Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc.

      Whew!

    2. Re:Questions for Xserve running 10.3.3 Server by mousehouse · · Score: 1
      just my $0.02...

      1. if it doesn't contain a very highly needed security fix or a fix that you've been waiting for... WAIT!

      2. if you have a separate machine available make a replica of that production machine and try the update on that machine... preferably of same hardware type of course.

      3. always make a good backup of all your data and make sure you have the rescue images or NetBoot drive available.

      4. schedule, let people and users know in advance and decide how long you're going to try to get everything working before you do the upgrade.

      5. do the upgrade when planned. if all goed well, report that. if something breaks - try to fix it for the time you specified for yourself on forehand. after that time expires, reinstall your config and backup. report.

      have fun.

    3. Re:Questions for Xserve running 10.3.3 Server by for_usenet · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are separate releases of the 10.3.4 update for BOTH the client and server versions of X 10.3. SoftwareUpdate should take care of this "automagically" for you.

      As for importance in a production environment, I would guess this set of patches/updates coming up are VERY important because of the holes in the operating system - leaving those unpatched leaves your entire network at risk. Best to depoly the patches on a test machine, and once everything checks out - deploy to all machines on the network that need it.

      I have not had any experience with the server versions of OS X, but in my experience with the client versions, System settings ARE preserved (i.e. not over-written) with updates like this.

      HTH

  38. Disappointed...no iCal update by wandazulu · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I had made a suggestion to Apple that the iCal icon should always show the current day when the program is running; it switches from the default July 17 (or whatever it is) to the current day *when you start the program*, but the icon never changes again, and it was a habit I got into very quickly to look at the dock to see what the date was instead of clicking on the time in the menu bar.

    There clearly exists code to update the icon while the program is running (the 9 fills from the bottom to the top when starting classic, quicktime movies keep playing in the dock, etc.) so I would naively think it would be easy to add another thread to update the icon.

    But other than that I'm quite pleased.

    1. Re:Disappointed...no iCal update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess what? The Safari compass isn't a real working one either!

      Duh!

    2. Re:Disappointed...no iCal update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Uh, just fyi, July 17th 2001 was the day iCal went live, hence the legacy default icon.

      I've always appreciated that icon as a milestone reminder in OS X history.

      -Posted AC because I've already modded the comments.

    3. Re:Disappointed...no iCal update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      oh bugger-all, that doesn't work anymore.

      Guess once you've modded, you're Señor NO POSTY IN THREAD EVAR now.

    4. Re:Disappointed...no iCal update by Mark+Hood · · Score: 1

      Weird, mine seems to.

      I leave iCal running 24/7 and it always has today's date in it.

      Mark

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  39. After reading through the updates by aflat362 · · Score: 2, Funny
    After reading through the updates, I have no need for any of the updates or fixes.

    Yet I feel as though I need to leave my cube, drive home, open my PowerBook and get it updated as soon as possible.

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  40. workaround:Safari table copy still broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a workaround for that using Adobe GoLive (may work in other wysiwyg html editors, but GoLive is all I have). I save the page to the hard drive, then open in GoLive, then copy and paste the table into Excel. An extra step, yes, but it avoids using explorer.

  41. Can no longer boot!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, after installing the update and rebooting my mac won't come back up. So I booted with verbose messages and I get a LOT of these error messages, then it just stops with unbound variables in /etc/rc (pressumably because netinfo can't start).

    bootstrap_look_up() failed (ipc/send) invalid destination port

    When booted single mode, trying to force restart NetInfo gives this...

    Could not create IPC port (com.apple.SystemStarter).Hangup

    Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this???

  42. System update timed out... by shrapnull · · Score: 1

    Never fear, download the standalone version from Apple's web site and your download speed should BLAZE.

    They also have specific details regarding what is being updated along with the usual banter.

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  43. My ass is still sore... by derubergeek · · Score: 1
    Being the caution dweeb that I am, I not only immediately installed 10.3.4, but I felt compelled to dock my iPod during the install.

    Yeah - the predictable happened. Mouse pointer freeze and all. Leaving me with a honked installation that won't boot.

    I rebooted to OS9 & downloaded the standalone, reinstalled 10.3 on a different partition [I would have fixed it singleuser, but installer was giving me "Carbon Lazy Values"] and ran:

    installer -pkg MacOS10.3.4blahblah.pkg -target /Volumes/Macintosh\ HD/

    Then I tried to reboot to that install. Anyway - it's even more screwed than before.

    Ideas?

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  44. Confirmed: exploits still work in 10.3.4 by valmont · · Score: 1

    i never installed Paranoid Android or any other third party app to address this issue. A few minutes ago, I tested all the exploits in this post and confirmed they worked in 10.3.3.

    Then I just ran the software update and installed 10.3.4 and went back to test those same exploits, and they still work: test.app does get launched, shows me a warning with t3h [suck] button, and places owned.txt in my home directory.

    in conclusion: 10.3.4 does NOT fix those vulnerabilities.

    Has anybody heard from Apple on this?

  45. What about uControl + 10.3.4? by TomatoMan · · Score: 1

    Anybody using uControl? I can't update until I know my caps -> control change will still work. 1.4.3 is the latest release, but it's for 10.3.x -> 10.3.3.

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    1. Re:What about uControl + 10.3.4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it seems to work with my AlBook after the update.

    2. Re:What about uControl + 10.3.4? by The+Unabageler · · Score: 1

      works fine for my on Al PB15"

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  46. Minor Photoshop 7.01 Problems. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else with the updates getting minor refresh problems with Photoshop 7.01 especially when dealing with text. These refresh problems makes me feel like I am running windows, and I dont like it.

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  47. Update broke system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I installed the update, and at the end the screen went black. The computer won't boot into OS X now; I just get a blue screen with a mouse cursor which I can move (I can do nothing else).

    Booting into verbose mode give an error about line 252 in /etc/rc-something about "124 Hangup". I have no idea how to fix this and can't find my install CDs. Grrrr...

  48. Mac OS 9 == 8.6; contractual obligation name chang by SinceEBCDIC · · Score: 1

    Mac OS 8.6 (for which I was a alpha/beta tester) was renamed to Mac OS 9 because Apple's contractual obligation to third-party PowerPC platforms extended only to Mac OS 8.x.

    I may still have an 8.6.* install CD lying around here somewhere.

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  49. Mail problems with reply/forward, anyone? by javaxman · · Score: 0
    We have one user who has the nick 'lightingrod'.

    He has earned this nickname, but to keep it, he feels he must always apply every update the second it's available. So we just refuse to admin his machine.

    Of course, he's installed this update, and now he's having issues with some ( not all, some ) email messages where hitting 'reply' or 'forward' fails to bring up a new message window. He says quitting and relaunching brings up the not-previously-visible windows. He also sees this :

    2004-05-27 10:47:57.016 Mail[403] Loaded MailPriority 1.4 Panther in Mail.app v618

    2004-05-27 10:48:31.962 Mail[403] Uncaught exception - *** -[NSCFDictionary setObject:forKey:]: attempt to insert nil value
    2004-05-27 10:48:31.963 Mail[403] *** Attempt to remove unrecognized exception handler 0xbfffd210
    2004-05-27 10:48:31.973 Mail[403] *** -[NSCFString string]: selector not recognized
    2004-05-27 10:48:31.973 Mail[403] *** -[NSCFString string]: selector not recognized
    someone tried to use nil as a dictionary key, I guess...

    Is anyone else seeing this type of issue, or should we blame this on his overly-modified ( frickin' chrome-look everywhere ), haxie-filled environment ?

    1. Re:Mail problems with reply/forward, anyone? by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      Try deleting the Mail prefs file.

    2. Re:Mail problems with reply/forward, anyone? by javaxman · · Score: 1

      I hate replying a week later, but...

      just so you know, deleting the mail prefs file doesn't help, and this problem is being seen by others ( odd thing is, it only happens on *some* messages, what's up with *that*? ).

      I may hold off on updating my own machine... at least until my new G5 shows up ;-)

  50. Nasty Problem: Desktop Digestion by Draconix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I installed the update, and my desktop directory decided to digest its contents. It's now completely empty.

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    1. Re:Nasty Problem: Desktop Digestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to have lost my desktop too, although the directory is actually there in my user directory. Just no icons actually show up on the actual desktop.

  51. Works for me. by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 1
    I leave iCal running all the time, and it always shows the current date.

    What I really want is week numbers (very important here in Sweden) on the calendars.

    1. Re:Works for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Menu Calender

      This should be built into the Mac OS, IMO.

  52. SecurityAgent spun after update by kylemonger · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The 10.3.4 update ran smoothly for me until the installer asked me to click the "Restart" butter to reboot the system. I clicked it, and clicked it again but the system stayed up. I ran "top" and saw that SecurityAgent was running, chewing up 50-60% of the CPU. I went off to dinner and returned a half-hour later and SecurityAgent was still running. The system would not be restarted with the GUI no-way no-how, so I used "sudo reboot". The system rebooted and apparently all is well.

    There were two users logged in at the time (via Fast User Switching), myself and a non-admin user. Apple may not have tested the upgrade in that situation, so I'd advise running the upgrade with only a single user logged in.

    1. Re:SecurityAgent spun after update by simon_c_heath · · Score: 1
      I had the same problem and I came to the same conclusion that it was something to do with having 2 users logged in. I could neither reboot or log out using the GUI, but sudo shutdown now worked fine.

      Simon

    2. Re:SecurityAgent spun after update by inblosam · · Score: 1

      SAME ISSUE HERE! I kept killing it from terminal but it kept coming back alive. 2 reboots later and I am happy again. I also had 2 sh processes going on that I couldn't kill, so that was weird.

  53. Halo much slower by javester · · Score: 1

    After I applied the update, Halo is much slower now to my chagrin.
    I thought the new OpenGL and NVIDIA stuff would make it fly...

  54. Re:at Apple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your boss was right. Saying that you're opening a hole in the firewall gives the impression that security is compromised. Even if the customer understands IP security, it doesn't give any information about the scope of the change.

    Describing it as "adding a rule in the firewall rulebase, which allows only the necessary source IP addresses to access only the needed ports on the host in question" conveys the scope of the changes. Better yet, allowing access only to IPSec encrypted sessions authenticated with X.509 certificates would be even better.

  55. This one hosed my PowerBook by -tji · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've only been an MacOS X user for about two years now. But, all my previous upgrades have worked well. This upgrade installed fine on my Cube, but my PowerBook didn't like it at all.

    My Cube installed the patch, and gave me the dialog box asking me to reboot. My PowerBook installed it, and at some point near the end of the install (maybe the "Optimizing Volume" step) it froze the machine, with the message saying "You need to reset this machine. Hold down the power button for several seconds." So, I did that and it rebooted to the login screen. When I entered my password it dropped me to the Darwin text console login screen. If I entered a password there, it denied my login and brought be back to the GUI login screen.

    After monkeying with that a while, I copied my data off the machine by booting it in firewire disk mode. Then I reinstalled OS X from the restore disk. When I ran software update and tried to install it again, I got the same system freeze and reset machine message (it happened at 97% of the optimizing volume step). Fortunately, this time it rebooted fine. But, my confidence in OS X has gone down quite a bit now.

  56. Re:Mac OS 9 == 8.6; contractual obligation name ch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mac OS 8.6 existed. It was a free update to 8.5, back when the update cycle was six months and alternated Major/Paid - Minor/Unpaid.

  57. FAT Problems by neal_nelson · · Score: 1

    It's a shame that Apple still hasn't fixed the problem with large FAT filesystems. I'm still unable to connect my 30GB USB drive, whereas it works everywhere else.

  58. Firewire Install by Orion27 · · Score: 1

    I thought I would try something different and Install the 10.3.4 upgrade via firewire target disk to my powerbook from my dual G4. Updates usually go well for me. I mounted the powerbook disk and ran the Apple stand alone installer. The software loaded normally. Restarting the powerbook the restart hung at the Apple screen. I ran repair disk and permissions and observed huge permissions fixes. Restarted and the Powerbook booted but with some system preference warnings that some were not installed properly ( apple time clock) I remounted the powerbook disk in target disk mode and moved the update to the powerbook. Reinstalled the update and all is well. Mind you I did run Permissions and Tech Tool Pro to optimize the directory. Powerbook is now as fast or faster than ever. I run it on a Win2k network and there are no problems at all. The last time I will try the Firewire trick.

  59. For editing and rendering films by chicago2003 · · Score: 1

    What Mac computers do you recommend that can handle the job of editing and rendering films? Any help anyone can provide can be sent to allenwoodymatt@yahoo.com

    1. Re:For editing and rendering films by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much any appropriately-specced machine in their current offering.

  60. MS IE lets you reasign protocol handlers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't see one listed (e.g. disk), click "add" then enter your prefered non-scriptable app (e.g. chess).

  61. Before any update ... by madsenj37 · · Score: 1

    Its always a good idea to repair permissions as well as booting off of the install cd and repairing any hard drive issues. This saves a lot of headaches.

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  62. "Patching" and "Securing" - the Apple style by rozz · · Score: 1

    few quotes from TheRegister:

    "A major revision of Apple's Mac OS X operating system released this week fails to come bundled with a vital, recently-issued security fix."

    "A security patch (2004-05-24) which guards against a vulnerability in the Help viewer sub-system is absent from the Mac OS X version 10.3.4, despite claims to the contrary by Apple."

    "This confusion is compounded by Apple, which has thus far failed to address another critical - and easily exploitable - security hole which it wrongly told Techworld was fixed by the Help Viewer patch."

    "An updated version of a security testing tool by Unsanity establishes that even patched systems are vulnerable. So patched Mac OS X systems are vulnerable and unpatched systems are even more vulnerable."

    Now, if I ever again see one of the Mac zealots here advertising MacOS against Windows because of vulnerabilities & patches stuff, I'll instantly go into "undefined behaviour"!

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