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"Buffalo Spammer" Gets 3.5 to 7 Years

jfruhlinger writes "Howard Carmak, aka the 'Buffalo spammer,' has been sentenced to jail time for his spamming activities. Interestingly, the conviction was not for spamming per se, but rather stealing someone's identity, which he then used to launch his spam messages."

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  1. 3.5-7 Seems a little light by KoriaDesevis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    The jail sentence is the maximum allowed under the law, due to Carmack's prior felony conviction for fraud in a federal case involving fake money orders, McCarthy said.

    7 years is the maximum for identity theft? That actually seems a little light. I would think they'd lock him away for 15-20 for something like that. Theft + potentially ruining someone else's credit and/or reputation.

    1. Re:3.5-7 Seems a little light by nharmon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think 7 years is light for an identity theft case. I do think 7 years is light for a repeat offendor though.

    2. Re:3.5-7 Seems a little light by Kombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real answer is to deny the criminal any credit for the rest of his life.

      This is extremely ignorant. The guy is an identity theif. How in the hell is denying him credit going to encourage him to stop using fraudulent identification?

      "You won't give me a credit card? Fine. I have tons of experience acquiring them from people who already have them."

      Great solution.

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    3. Re:3.5-7 Seems a little light by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bah. I'm very much opposed to lengthy jail sentences for nonviolent victimless crimes, but when it comes to fraud and identity theft in the service of a money-making scheme, I think jail time is an appropriate deterrent. If you just fine people for stuff like this, they'll keep doing it as long as the amount of the fine and their perceived likelihood of getting caught are offset by the profits they're making, just as many corporations see government fines for their illegal actions as part of the cost of doing business. If anything, jail time is much more of a deterrent for the types of crimes perpetrated by weasily fraudulent types than it is for tough violent offenders.

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    4. Re:3.5-7 Seems a little light by thedillybar · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The New York State case followed a civil suit against Carmack by EarthLink that resulted in a US$16 million award against Carmack in May, 2003.

      It looks like he got fined as well as jailtime. Good thing, because he probably made enough to live the rest of his life on.

      1. Spam.
      2. Profit.
      3. If you're unlucky (probably less than 1% of spammers), get locked up for 4 years.
      4. Retire to a mansion on the beach.

      Sounds like a good deal to me.

  2. It serves him right.... by millahtime · · Score: 5, Funny

    It serves him right for stealing identities. I am still in counseling for getting that email from my grandma telling me to enlarge my penis.

  3. shall we start taking in a collection? by tuxette · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He'll surely need a large amount of cigarettes and contraband as dowry for his marriage to Big Bubba.

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    1. Re:shall we start taking in a collection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Serious question: why do Americans think prison rape is amusing? Whenever there's a story about someone or other going to prison there's always a comment to be found making light of this; and it's always modded up.

      Are you people seriously telling me, that a suitable punishment for spamming is being fucked up the arse?

    2. Re:shall we start taking in a collection? by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Serious question: why do Americans think prison rape is amusing?

      I'm with you. I don't think it's funny and I don't think anyone deserves that.

      Even if you do think that some criminals deserve it, what about the tens of thousands of innocent people who were wrongly convicted and ended up in prison?

  4. Will be spamming his appeal... by Omega · · Score: 4, Funny

    He also announced he planned to spam his appeal to every court in the country.

  5. Good... by hookedup · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old cop trick, cant get em for what the biggest problem is, get them for what you can.

    Should be this way more often, arrest spammers for using machines they have no proper access to, not for just for spamming.

    1. Re:Good... by greendoggg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I'm of the opinion that identity theft is a more important issue than spam. Don't get me wrong, I think spam is a big issue, but spam (usually) doesn't mess up a person's life completely, whereas identity theft can really leave someone in a world of hurt. But either way, since this guy was guilty of both, I'm glad to see he got some jail time.

    2. Re:Good... by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Informative

      Very similar to Al Capone. For all of his rumrunning, racketeering, murder and other activities, he was only successfully prosecuted for tax evasion.

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  6. Bye bye, Howard, it's been fun reading about you. by The+I+Shing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everybody, sing along, loud enough so that Howard can hear you all the way over in the Erie County Holding Center!

    Nah nah... nah nah nah nah... hey hey hey... good-BYE!

    When I read that Howard Carmack told Earthlink, "Nothing is in my name, so you'll never catch me," all I could think was, you arrogant, silly man. These are government agents and corporate attorneys that you're up against. You're an overweight criminal in his mid-30s who lives in a shack in Buffalo. I think they're gonna catch you, and right quick.

    Sure enough, they did. In addition to his prison time, Carmack has a multi-million-dollar judgment against him from Earthlink for his misuse of their network.

    Have fun in prison, Howard!

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  7. Whatever it takes... by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Capone went to prison (Alcatraz) on tax evasion. I'd love to see the IRS audit all spammers they can get ahold of. It might drive them offshore, but then we might have a chance at the ISP level to blacklist IP ranges for SMTP traffic.

    SPF is a good idea, I get tired of that checklist that says why your idea won't work. It's pedantic and discourages good ideas from being discussed.

    If SPAM is allowed to thrive offshore, I see a time when service providers like AT&T are asked to track SMTP and provide governments the figures for - you guessed it - tariffs.

  8. Cellmate by blackmonday · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's hoping that his cellmate took a steady supply of penis enlargement pills and herbal viagra.

    1. Re:Cellmate by CodeMonkey4Hire · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even funnier if his celly makes him take those breast enlargement pills!

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  9. Shouldn't they have... by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't they have executed him like they do virus writers?

  10. Bravo everyone! We all had a part in this. by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These days, it's a truth that most spammers have to break other laws to try to get their spam out. It's not like the old days of open relays and a trusting email network. Now, we have worm exploits, stolen identities, account phishing, hacked boxes...the list goes on and on.

    We can pat ourselves on the back here, I think. Now that we're as a community becoming aware of the spam problem and doing something about it (like closing down open relays and blocking those who don't), spammers now have to break other laws to get their crap through.

    And that makes them targets for prosecution. So, let's all give ourselves a round of applause here. If you closed an open relay, or wiped out a worm, you contributed to this!

    Let's all keep up the good work.

    Weaselmancer

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  11. Glad he was caught, and for the right reasons by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am glad this guy was caught and convicted, and I'm glad it wasn't for spamming. It always amazes me how people want new laws targetting spam, but most of what the worst spammers do is already against the law and they can be targetted for that. Advertising fraudulent products is against the law. Pyramid schemes are against the law. Hacking someone's system and sending email from there is illegal. I have no problem with spam that doesn't the law in the sending. If you have a legitmate email account and send email from it, and don't make false claims, then you are using the email system as intended.

    If you want to go after spammers, there are plenty you can go after suing existing laws. We don't need new laws specifically for spam anymore than we need new laws specifically for music sharers. Use the existing laws.

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  12. Another example of old laws still relevant today by hpulley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Often here we see that new technology doesn't necessarily require new laws. Arresting and charging a spammer using someone else's identity to avoid being caught and held responsible is a good way to round these people up. It avoids the free speech issues completely.

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  13. How he got caught. by Valejo · · Score: 5, Informative
  14. Fantasy scene... by Shoten · · Score: 4, Funny

    Carmak, in his jail cell for the first night of his long sentence, with "Tyree," or "Bubba," or whoever; specifics are not important, just that the individual is large, mean, and notoriously maladjusted. It is now lights-out, and quiet falls over the prison.

    As Carmak cowers under the covers of the lower bunk...

    "I bet you don't want ME to have a bigger penis now, do you, boy?"

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  15. Meanwhile in Jail by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meanwhile in Jail, inmates have added him to their "My new Bitch" list. Carmak has complained repeatedly that their unsubscribe feature is both inhumane and doesn't work, which has led to arthritis in his right hand.

  16. One down... by PoisonousPhat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    200+ to go:

    "The Register of Known Spam Operations (ROKSO) database collates information and evidence on known hard-line spam operations that have been terminated by a minimum of 3 consecutive Service Providers for serious spam offenses.

    200 Known Spam Operations responsible for 90% of your spam.

    90% of spam received by Internet users in North America and Europe can be traced via redirects, hosting locations of web sites, domains and aliases, to a hard-core group of around 200 known spam operations, almost all of whom are listed in the ROKSO database. These spam operations consist of an estimated 500-600 professional spammers loosely grouped into gangs ("spam gangs"), the vast majority of whom are operating illegally, and who move from network to network seeking out Internet Service Providers ("ISPs") known for lax enforcing of anti-spam policies."

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  17. 3.5 to 7 years? by jlowery · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is he serving time in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Corrections Center?

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  18. Here's Hoping... by bcolflesh · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...his cellmates introduce the "Buffalo Spammer" to the "Cleveland Steamer".

  19. Re:Good by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Didn't we just go through this? All this macho GW Bush "Bring it on" wannabe talk isn't going to do anything but get people killed.

    If the death penalty applies to spam, and someone might get caught for spamming, then they may as well just go kill someone while they are at it. Maybe kill the witnesses. It can't increase the severity of the penalty, so why not?

    Part of justice is appropriate punishments. Walking with a swagger and carrying a noose might impress people who failed to graduate high school, but it doesn't make us any safer, or freer.

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  20. Re:Bye bye, Howard, it's been fun reading about yo by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Funny

    A nerdy overweight white guy in his thirties going to the can? He should tatoo tits on his back now and get it over with.

    -B

  21. They actually don't need to be that harsh by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They just need to be there. SPAM is so popular because, until now, it was a more or less no risk bussiness both finincally and legally. It cost very little to get in to and you weren't going to get in trouble for what you were doing. To lessen the amout of spammers, we just need to make it unattractive. Doesn't mean we need to lock them up for life (appealing though that may sound), just a reasonable prison sentence combine with seizing all their ill gotten gains.

    Most spammers will then quit. These aren't hardened, fear nothing, criminals we are talking about, they are sleazy bussiness men that see this as an easy, low risk way to make a buck. Show them it's not low risk, most of them will knock it off.

    There will still be some, of course, there is always somebody stupid enough to try something, but I think it can be kept to a minimum, in the US at least (which is where the majority of it starts anyhow).

  22. since you asked... by tuxette · · Score: 5, Funny
    Are you people seriously telling me, that a suitable punishment for spamming is being fucked up the arse?

    Why, yes.

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    1. Re:since you asked... by Greedo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I bet he's hoping that his 6'4", 235 lb cell mate didn't get his penis enlarged.

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  23. Re:Sounds to me a little excessive by chromatic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think of it as a deterrent. "Not only are murder, theft, and rape wrong, but if you're caught, you might have to share a cell with a spammer!"

  24. Sentencing suggestion by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Funny

    >7 years is the maximum for identity theft? That actually seems a little light.

    How about seven years and the victims get to pick his cellmate?
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    1. Re:Sentencing suggestion by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > > 7 years is the maximum for identity theft? That actually seems a little light.
      >
      > How about seven years and the victims get to pick his cellmate?

      How about three years... but he has to opt out of every ass-raping.

      Of course, if he gets out in three years and claims that it wasn't rape, his cellmates can claim that he opted in anyways, and just forgot about it.

  25. They also need to prosecute... by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the actual manufacturers of bogus penis enlargement pills, quasi-legal drug sales of Viagra, and other such snake oil companies. The actual spamming agencies are half the problem - the other half are the scumbags who hire them and turn a blind eye to their practices.

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  26. Re:Yes, it should by sfjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Commercial speech should absolutely be as protected as other speech.

    Absolutely not!! A corporation exists solely to generate a profit. It has no morals, no ethics and cannot be deprived of its life or liberty for its crimes. Freedom of speech is a human condition intended for humans. When humans can hide behind a corporation, they can not be held accountalbe for their actions or speech. For example, Dow Chemical murdered 800 people in Bhopal India. Was it forced to cease existing? Of course not. Any entity which has no compulsion to behave with human responsibilities has no expectation of human rights.
    It has long been accepted that not ALL speech is free. You cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theatre and you cannot expect unbridled rights to make commercial claims.

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  27. Re:Victimless Crime? by autopr0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Victimless crime.. explain to me how something can be a victimless crime, or, if some action really is victimless, why it's a crime.

    Let's say two gay men have anal sex. Where's the victim? Yet, untill recently, that was illegal in Texas. Many states have had anti-masterbation laws in the past as well. Where's the victim there?

    People just like screwing up other people's lives for the hell of it.

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