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MandrakeMove 2 And Mandrakesoft Profit Reports
Mad_Rain writes "Two new developments in the Mandrake Linux camp: For the beta-testers and live-cd crowd, MandrakeMove 2 (which is based on Mandrake 10) is undergoing beta testing. 2.6 Kernel anyone? Financially, Mandrake seems to be improving, as they cite a report from EuroLand Finance about how they compete with Red Hat or SUSE, at least in the marketplace (as opposed to on the desktop)."
...as they cite a report from EuroLand
:-)
Hey...Isn't that the place that Disney was trying to offload recently?
And better yet...why would I trust them for Financial advice ?
I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. -- Hunter S. Thompson
I've been waiting for a new Mandrake Move to show off to those who haven't converted to Linux yet. I've found that a lot of people have been amazed by demonstrations of Mandrake Move. (particularly Tux racer - but thats another story!)
I've never used MandrakeMove so I don't know how it's done but I know that you can store your /home partition(which is where your setting are kept well most of them anyway) on a USB keychain with Knoppix.
Actually, Knoppix will. I don't remember the exact details, but you need to do it from the command line. If that scares you, use linux a little more and it won't. Personally, I had trouble getting Mandrake Move 1 to work, but I'll try out two. Knoppix does do a good job with the USB drives if you look it up though. Give it a try some time.
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Just curious, but what website do you use that Konqueror doesn't work at all with that would require you downloading firefox in knoppix every time? I have been using Konqueror for my main browser for quite a long time without any problems. It certainly handles things just fine especially for instances when you are doing quick knoppix booting...
-Benjamin Meyer
P.S. Oh and it can save to a USB keychain.
Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
The link in the parent wasn't too clear on what MandrakeMove actually was, so here is a different link about it that describes what it is a little better (the original link is to the download page).
I was in the park the other day wondering why frisbees get bigger and bigger the closer they get - and then it hit me.
Knoppix will store your config info on a USB drive, a hard drive, a zip drive, etc... and all from a GUI.
It's nice that Mandrake will as well, but Knoppix has been doing this for a while.
Agile Artisans
I have been trying to download Mandrake 10.0 for everyone, and it keeps dying at 98%.
Well you dont need to download a copy for me, I already have one so that should get you to about 98.00000000000001%
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
wheres condescending +1 when you need it?
Don't worry - its just stigmata. Pass me a napkin and don't you dare tell my mother.
Why do you have to be like that. You know I mean the public release. I am not the only person having this problem.
Jeoin
"de facto standard"? When was the last time you saw a Mac with a floppy? Nevermind all those ultralight PC laptops out there...
I like the flashy presentation, the "ooh look over here!" aspect, and how they seamlessly tied the financial forecasts in with the real data, but I'm not sure I would take that analysis as a reason to invest. Most of it consisted of "Mandrake is losing less money than Novell, that's gotta count for something". That and the strong growth forecasted, while their debt ratio continues to climb.
Knoppix lets you save onto USB as well.
Vincent J. Murphy
Spandex Justice
If you buy it from Mandrake it's something like $55 and thats the power pack which has some propietary software. My best advice would be to but from almostfreelinux.com, It's $8.95 for 4 CDs with free shipping. I think it's a good way of getting it because it's a reasonable price and it dosen't take too long. I',m not sure about the Live Cd though..
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thanks for the helpful advice. If more people were like you Linux would spread faster.
Jeoin
Maybe not everyone likes Konqueror, regardless of whether it renders well or not. For example, I prefered Firefox to it because of the interface and design philosophy. In fact, I even use Firefox on my Mac, because I like its handling of tabs better than Safari's, and because it has "bookmark all tabs to a folder"
As for khtml vs. gecko, I haven't even noticed a difference - I wouldn't have a problem with Firefox/khtml, and I wouldn't be any more likely to use Safari/gecko.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
I don't care if they mod it down. Little buddie nerds. Its the only power they have. I am trying to get a real issue on the board and it gets turned down just so people don't see it. Thats fine. It shows their true intent is not much different than microsoft.
Jeoin
Mac and other slim laptops all offer external floppy or even internal ones. Mac hardware doesn't exactly follow a standard .. but rather make up the standard since Mac is proprietary platform who likes to think outside the box with label that says, "You'd shut up and use it if you know what's good for ya." Slim laptops are different story... most of their design is to fit two hands in one glove, certainly a floppy would be an accessory with hefty price tag. With that in mind, I doubt that both are design to meet anywhere near "de facto".
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
about MandrakeMove is the fact that it can automatically store your personal data on a USB keychain. Not that SuSE Live, Knoppix, etc. cannot, but MdkMove makes it so damned easy to make a *truly* portable personal desktop system.
Kudos, Mandrake, for another great product.
bash: rtfm: command not found
It is downloadable.
The purpose of language is communication, If the idea is clear the grammar ain't important
You know, you can boot Slackware from a USB key. And the first disc in the Slackware set is an ISOLinux CD, just like the first disc in the Gentoo set, and can be used as a boot disk. Not as configured as Knoppix though, which in my mind is still king of the boot CD distros.
If my answers frighten you, stop asking scary questions.
It was a joke. I know its a pain when a big download goes pear shaped just before completion. Actually its something I am surprised the major distros have not addressed yet (OK I know they want you to buy the CD's from them). Several popular distros require 3 install CD's which run to about 2 GB. Now lets be honest here people, thats fucking stupid. Why cant I download a single CD installer that gives me a complete basic working system (700 MB will get just about everything most people will need anyway) and let me download other apps and utilities as/if I require them?
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
It was a joke. You know, ha ha ha. Laugh, it's funny!
"Send an Instant Karma to me" - Yes
Heaven forbid a company makes a profit. Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE these are all *commercial* distros. You do understand the concept of Commercial right? No? Well here let me help you with that
One clear, short definition is - Commercial: Having profit as a chief aim.
Unless its stipulated in some license other then the GPL, Mandrake is under no obligation to provide a free download product, they however chose too. In order to make money, actually remain in existence, and do all those little tweaks and make those configuration tools that make Mandrake Linux something other then just a bunch of packages, they have other products that build upon the free one, add value to it. So yes you should be modded down to oblivion for that nice shortsighted and uncalled for comment.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
I hope they are showing a profit!
I joined their mandrake club to download the iso's and give them a little support. They charged my credit card $6600.00 for a standard membership. They did not answer their phones. I had to dispute the charges through my credit card company. In their defense they did reverse the charges a few days later. But boy was I worried for a few days!
booting off USB drive is possible only if your hardware support it. I didn't have much success nor came anywhere close to making usb drive recognized at boot by lilo.
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
Mandrake _was_ based on Redhat many many moons ago.
It's been an independant development for several years.
Please send all UCE to scally@devolution.com so I can f
Commercial like microsoft is commercial? They at least get the cds to me. Lets see. I paid 150 bucks for XP pro. I can still download free software to write code on it, and all my devices just seem to work.
Mandrake charges 66 per year. So thats about even as far as support goes. Only Linux isn't a lexus yet.
So here I am trying to learn about it and talking about how much nicer the new kernel will be. "maybe i won't have to wait 1 minute for an app to open?" That is probably just my ignorance you spoke of.
Your an example of all those guys/gals that Know how to make it work, but don't know how to take the time and help others. Keep on modding us down. You hold linux back. You put your foot on it and keep it down, so that only the experts can use it. The issue i brought up has nothing to do with the commerciality of the product, but rather the issues related to obtaining the free version. Which as you stated they chose to provide. Boy they sure don't make it the easy, but they do provide. Good cut throat microsoftish tactics.
Jeoin
Well the first disk of Mandrake and most other distros is all that is required for a basic system. Then populate your urpmi sources from half a dozen different lists, and you are golden.
Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
Mandrake Move creates 2 things on the USB Key. A folder named after the user you created on first boot (AKA: home directory) and a "dotfolder" hidden directory which contains your each computers individual setup. The latter of the two I find quite interesting. It appears that MandrakeMove has some sort of hardware hashing algorithm that allows it to come up with a unique ID for each computer that it is used in. When I use it on my laptop all of the hardware configurations for my laptop are used (resolution, printer, etc...) When I use it at work all of the configurations form my work computer are used. (NVidia drivers and all) I found that to be an outstanding feature that goes above and beyond most bootable distro's use of USB keys. As for the Home directory, it works as one might expect. All desktop and program configurations as well as personal files are stored there. When I play Chromium at work (...shhhh) the last level completed is stored, so when I go home I can start at my last completed level. Mail settings are saved, desktop preferences.... the whole works. It really feels like a full blown desktop moving with you.
Maybe if they improved their website they could actually make some money?
/.ed) but you have to click the button that
I could not find answers to simple questions with a reasonable amount of effort.
Q) What is Mandrake move vs. mandrake 10? I actually had to come back to slashdot to find a link with the answer to this one. It is a
standalone live CD-ROM version of linux.
Q) How much does it cost? I actually had to click on the order link, fill in my state and country,
and sort through a bunch of irrelevent products and I still didn't get an answer. I know how much it costs with a keychain USB flash memory ($70-$330) but I don't know how much it is by itself. Price needs to be listed before you hit the shopping cart.
Q) Free downloads? Well, if you click on downloads it looks like you could probably
download it for free (if the ftp server wasn't
says something to the effect of "I am already a member of the mandrake club or I plan to join real soon now". So you either need to join the club (about $70/year) or promise to join the club before you can download. I don't have the slightest intention of joining their club unless I find the software useful and shouldn't be required to state otherwise. Plus it reminds me of those sleazy subscription cards for magazines: "Yes! I want to subscibe to the worlds greatest basketweaving magazine! Send me one year (12 exciting issues) of basketweaving today for just $17.97. I'll save 62% plus I'll receive the basketweaving 101 book FREE!"
Hmm... Well, you know, I have to tell you - you're not going to get better help by acting like a spoiled child. You haven't offered any specifics about the problems you're having, except for being able to download the complete ISO's. Then, you bitch and moan about how the community is unhelpful and hates you, killed your goldfish, whatever. It doesn't really sound to me like you WANTED any help, and at any rate it doesn't take much of a genius to figure out that Slashdot is not a tech support forum.
You catch more flies with honey, etc. If you happen to have a specific question, feel free to ask me personally - but include useful information like distro, version, CPU, RAM, etc.
If you just want to to stir up shit, leave me the fuck out of it.
Ce n'est pas un vrai mouvement de robot!
You didn't pay for Mandrake, so your "Mandrake charges 66 per year" argument is completely irrelevant. If you can't download it, then you can't install it, so you obviously don't know if it works, or not. If you're having problems with Mandrake, read the friendly web, or drop in at Linux Questions.org. If you actually want any help, send me a private message over in the Linux Questions.org forums; my user name is "Brian of Gep", without the quotes.
----geppy -
So let me get this straight, you have XP, 2 support incidents for free, NO software, NO development tools, and it seems you think that MS is the devil, and you pay $150 for this pleasure, yet you whine about the choice of free with community support or $66 for a years support in addition to the community support, with thousands of applications and more development tools then you can shake a stick at.
Between us, where you believe every Linux company should bend over, kiss your ass and give everything to you on a silver platter and if they don't they're as evil as MS, or me who actually understands that people have to put food on their families table which means shipping a product that costs money, how am I the one holding Linux back. It seems that if it were up to you, there would be no Linux business to be held back.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
Let me see...
.xls files, NO! MDK 10 will.. Will XP Pro block popups out of the box... NO! How about photoshop files? Not without help...
I D/Led Mandrake 10 the DAY it came out, yes I spent $60 for a year of MDKClub...
For my $60 I got a copy for me, which is running now (a bit buggy imo), a copy for my son, 2 friends, and about 15 copies for other people...
And I BET that my free copy will do much more than XP Pro will do (out of the box).... Will XP Pro open
Why doesn't M$ supply such software for free?
Greed...
MarkP
Your right I pay the devil for a OS that does it all. I hear these slashdot stories about how some obscure abacus won't run under windows correctly. Well the truth is at my house(where I am trying very much to be productive on linux) It is much simpler to run windows. You can say i don't do anything on my pc, but you have no clue what I do. I get every software tool i need free from the web. I guess those dumbasses just haven't started getting greedy yet.
I don't need any support. Windows works. Sure I rebuild every year or so, mostly just cause i want to.
The point of my input to this thread was difficulty getting the ISO. So some clod wants to play ModGod and burn some points. Thats fintasic.
A linux company. Lets see. I can take the free work of individuals and wrap it up in package with my company name and feed the hungry kids in the back of my vette, or you can do it yourself with community help. Whats that? Where is the community? Oh they're on the web, maybe while your looking for help you can use a windows machine to hook up to the internet. Then when your done and you can browse fine on your machine(if there are drivers for your wireless card or modem or video card) you can hob nob with the really nice folks that just want to make an honest buck going bankrupt[i hear the benifits outway the tax loss]
I guess your right I don't think there should be any linux business to hold back. A general purpose ready to run version of linux that exceeds windows usability, installablity, and I know your already coming up with a ton of reason thats already all here so i won't ramble on.
I will just say this. My friend just graduated with degree in math and in computer science who wrote software(in linux) for a telescope in nevada or new mexico, my friend who is going to study physics for his masters while he teaches math at College station, had so much to call up a linux expert just to help him install a stupid usb camera that would plug and play in windows.
The guy is ultra smart, and not a novice. How do you think this type of thing would make an average user feel? I bet if i paid my 66 dollars to mandrake so they could feed their children, they would take time out of their schedule to walk me through the same process.
They would help as much as microsoft does. All they want is to make some money. Thats it. Its not about feeding kids or salvation. Its just money. The same bitch we have about microsoft.
I don't want Mandrake to beat microsoft. That is schoolkids fighting crap. Grow up. When linux is better it will be on every desktop, not just on servers.
Anyways another person was nicer than you and made a suggestion I intend to follow up on.
Jeoin
I can't pay mandrake, thats why i haven't. I have no job. I am trying to get linux skills.
I have mandrake 9.2, so i hope the new one is faster. I may ask you for help as you seem to really want to. I found a bug in konquer webbrowers when I renamed a series of files from the GUI file browser. IT kept crashing. Seems it didn't like similar names. I am trying to get linux.
Jeoin
thanks once i get over my hissy fit and the cd's come in the mail I may have some questions. I have some issues with 9.2. for some reason the first app to open takes a minute or so.
laptop compaq2100us/celeron1.8/512ram
Jeoin
You missed the joke.. it was kind of funny too. You said, " I have been trying to download Mandrake 10.0 for everyone..." Get it? Everyone? lol hehe :)
Sivaram Velauthapillai
Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places
What's negative equity? How do you end up with that? I thought equity was always positive??
Sivaram Velauthapillai
Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places
For the record, I never had a problem downloading Mandrake ISOs pre bittorrent. And no more than usual downloading individual files for the full CD. And no problems using BitTorrnet. And there's nowhere near 50% of windows users paying for Mandrake. And the urpmi update sources are awesome, with a little help from the PLF.
You can always download JUST the new kernel from any mirror. You are full of crap. Maybe you only have enough disk space for 98% of the ISO??
I am very impressed with Mandrake 10 Official. I will not engage in the my distro is better than yours game. Use whatever you want. No distribution is perfect. Do realize that your judgment might be clouded by which distribution you learned linux on.
:)
All I have to say is that Mandrake makes a very secure server and a very easy to use desktop and they do so with a GNU smile on their face.
I will make however a few historical comments:
*Have you tried rpmdrake and used it to create Raid Arrays or LVM volumes? Look up how many years they have had such a tool and compare it to other distributions.
*Research which distro first used CUPs and made it easy to use multi-function devices in Linux?
*Research which distribution has a zeroconf/Rendevous in it for a while
*Have you tried their server wizards, which they have had for years?
*Research urpmi when you get a chance. It is a good as Debian's apt, which is the installer by which all other ought to be measured. And even though apt-for-rpm is now available, it isn't as good as either of the above, not to mention that these have yet to be formally embraced in an officially shipping product by either Novell or Red Hat.
If you can afford to send Mandrake a few bucks, do so.We need more companies like Mandrake around. If anything, it will keep both Red Hat and Suse honest.
Ps: Oh.oh.. That Stallmanite reference will drive all of the anti-RMS cloud out of the closet
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
Should be changed to Persondrake to be politically correct.
Granted, my test is disk-related... I use both Knoppix and MM to run badblocks on drives before I install their final OS. But, on the same hardware, Mandrake Move will run 'badblocks -svw /dev/hda' to completion (4 write/read passes with different patterns) in less time than the first pass in Knoppix 3.3 or 3.4. That's a significant time savings when you're checking 8 250GB drives for a RAID array!
Yeah. I haven't used it yet, but if it's the same as Mandrake 10, I'm going to be pretty damn impressed. I really love SuSE 9.1 LiveCD though. I'm just a huge Novell fan.
But when it all boils down... Slackware CD 2.
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher