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New Viruses Hit 30-Month High

Mz6 writes "InformationWeek reports that Sophos has analysed and protected against 959 new viruses in May, this is the highest number of new viruses discovered in a single month since December 2001. From Sophos' own TopTen list they continue on to say that the 'Sasser and Netsky worms may have captured the headlines. ...May has seen a noticeable spike in cybercriminal activity, suggesting that even the arrest of Sven Jaschan ...has done nothing to curb the problem.'"

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  1. Too bad by frankmanowar · · Score: 5, Funny

    That Sophos antivirus has the somewhat incredible problem of not being able to remove and clean viruses on an infected host... but hey, at least we know they're there.

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    1. Re:Too bad by docbrazen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Other anti-virus programs, like the open source ClamAV, can not disinfect files. According to them: "cleaning viruses from files is virtually pointless these days. It is very seldom that there is anything useful left after cleaning, and even if there is, would you trust it?"

    2. Re:Too bad by Shardis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anyone who needs antivirus software to protect or even diagnose their machine, is doomed before they start. (emphasis mine)

      Is that like they theory that if you drink too much and don't remember, you can insist that the previous night's events never happened?

      I've had nights like those...

      Very sloppy...um...Sloppy.

    3. Re:Too bad by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You must be a proctologist. I've never seen anyone else with their head so far up their ass before.

      Lots of people use antivirus software for the simple purpose of scanning files introduced to their machine BEFORE they are executed, viewed, etc.

      And guess what? They're not doomed. Well, technically death comes for us all, but you actually CAN use antivirus software effectively without being relegated to the realm of the imbecile.

      If someone believes a single antivirus package is the be-all, end-all of virus prevention, then they're in trouble simply because they're cloaked by a false sense of security.

      On the other hand, a user who is conscientious about the code run on their machine, even if the OS isn't one of the most secure, is better off scanning then not.

    4. Re:Too bad by ThePilgrim · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think your information is seriously out of date.
      Sophos Anti-Virus has been capable of disinfecting virus infections for years.

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    5. Re:Too bad by igw · · Score: 2, Informative

      ......That Sophos antivirus has the somewhat incredible problem of not being able to remove and clean viruses on an infected host......

      Actually having worked with Sophos for a few years I can tell you that it can remove viruses quite well, what you are referring to is a message that the end-user gets when a virus is discovered (the administrator also gets this message), that says "No action has been taken".

      This is the default behavior and can be configured differently, because Sophos is a corporate AV tool its not very wise to empower end users with deleting files and editing the registry, the administrator is informed of virus/location etc., and can take action (using Sophos which can disinfect, or any of the downloadable tools to clean up the registry, stop process etc.)

      An AV product which can't do anything when a virus is discovered, would be a silly idea if you think about it, bit like pushing your car everywhere because you didn't know about the engine.

  2. Yeah, but... by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Funny
    as was stated in many after school specials back in my day...

    "Kowing is half the battle!"

    On a totally unrelated note.. is it bad when you post comments to your own stories?

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    1. Re:Yeah, but... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Knowing is half the battle" may be have been used in an after-school special, but was more popularly known as the catch phrase at the end of episodes of the GI Joe cartoon from the 1980s.

      This website has a list of the ends of these episodes where this phrase is used.

    2. Re:Yeah, but... by darkain · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Kowing is half the battle!"

      the other half is killing.

  3. Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... the school semester ends in May. What are all those CS graduates supposed to do in between being rejected for an interview and filling in a McDonald's application!

    1. Re:Of course... by Kithraya · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your comment sort of does make me think about how many of these new threats/problems are being produced simply because some CS graduate is having a hard time finding that $100,000 a year job and is looking to stick it to the society that fooled him into banking his future on IT...?

    2. Re:Of course... by Lshmael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since so many new viruses, worms, and other examples of malware are being created by university graduates, instead of lonely immature teenagers, right?

  4. gawd by abscondment · · Score: 3, Funny

    that explains the porn advertisement posts on my blog with IPs tracing back to infected machines all over the world...

    damn those script kiddies.

  5. Security... by case_igl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why security at the operating system layer is so important. How many homes and businesses are broken in to every day worldwide? Tens of thousands, I am sure. Computer crime will escalate in the future, to the point that virus software will probably barely be able to keep up.

    Laws aren't going to stop this kind of thing, we need better solutions for security that automatically adapt and defend the end user or system they are on.

    1. Re:Security... by dealsites · · Score: 5, Informative

      Security at the hardware layer is definately important, but don't under-estimate the power of a cheap NAT router. If if you don't need one, it will still keep out many of the IP port scans and vulnerabilities. I have a linksys with logging enabled, and it's amazing to watch the port scan in real time. I'm sure most of them are from script kiddies, or people that have compromised machines. But it sure does the job. NAT routers can be picked up for next to nothing these days.

      Of course it doesn't help with email viruses or attacks from the LAN side (ie, dumb users), but it helps cut down on the worm and viruses that propagate over the web.

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    2. Re:Security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, are you going to be the first one in line to scream "Monopoly abuse!" when Microsoft bundles anti-virus software with Windows and puts MacAfee and Symantec out of business?

      (Don't think it's possible? Remember FTP Software? TCP/IP stacks weren't at one point "part of the OS", either. They were a third-party addon. IE is an 89 Kbyte program; the rest is all "part of the OS". Popup calculators and notepads were third-party tools. So were disk defragmenters. There is no hard and fast line.)

    3. Re:Security... by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Security at every layer is important because none of them will every be perfect. For example, there is an entire industry centered around properly securing networks, and it takes people years to become proficient at it. Yet we still give nearly all home users a raw connection to the internet, expecting them to do the job of a network administrator with no training or even an indication that they are even lacking in knowledge.

      This just silly. Most home users neither need, want, or are capable of administrating their own network connection. The ISP's should be doing this unless users specifically request to administer thier own connection. If we properly firewalled off hijacked machines it would cut spam and virus tremendously.

    4. Re:Security... by prshaw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When was the last virus that used Outlook to do anything but read the email and have the user execute an executable?

      In fact didn't most of the virus in May require the user to unzip the email with a password before it ran?

      My point is that we are past the access that Outlook has to the OS. We are way into the users proving they will jump through hoops to run a program from an unknown source.

      Although I will admit that some of them actually were faking coming from a trusted source (your ISP) pretty well.

    5. Re:Security... by PacoTaco · · Score: 2, Informative

      A simple NAT device also allows you to download security patches for fresh OS installs without getting infected in the process. This is especially handy for unsophisticated users who would have trouble making a patch CD.

    6. Re:Security... by m_pll · · Score: 2, Informative
      Even on 2000, outlook has root-access to the operating system

      Huh? Outlook has the same privileges as the user running it.

    7. Re:Security... by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is this 4, Interesting? None of this is true or makes much sense. What "privledged access" is he talking about? If you run as root, your web browser and email program can do whatever it wants. If you run as a user, it has the rights of those user. This works the same on every other modern oprating system.

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    8. Re:Security... by pHDNgell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Security at the hardware layer is definately important, but don't under-estimate the power of a cheap NAT router.

      NAT is not a security device, it's only there to work around address limitation problems at the cost of making communication more difficult for legitimate services. What you're describing is the job of a basic firewall blocking ingres traffic.

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    9. Re:Security... by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      if you think about it, they pretty much HAVE to have port forwarding off by default.

      Assuming you're talking SNAT, which most people are, then where would you forward the packets?
      You'd have to specifically enable it so you could tell the router which one of the machines it's masquerading for gets the forwarded packets....

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  6. HAZMAT by chaffed · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm investing in a hazmat licence with all the infections I see on enduser computers.

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  7. Or did a new virus hit virus tracking databases by seanscottrogers · · Score: 3, Funny

    to boost virus levels 30 months ago to never before seen heights.

  8. Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The release of the Phatbot source made most of this possible. Agobot had over a thousand variants because any kid with GCC could change half a dozen strings, pick a new list of tasks to kill, pick a new IRC server to report back to for 'pwn3rship' and then pack the thing up with the executable compressor of his choice.

    Not everything should be released under the GPL, I'm afraid.

    1. Re:Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by One+Louder · · Score: 2, Funny
      Not everything should be released under the GPL, I'm afraid.
      Why not? When we catch these guys, we can go after them for copyright and GPL violations for not distributing the source of their derivative works.
    2. Re:Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Informative
      I'm going to hope that violating the GPL copy[direction] rules is going to be the least of their problems.

      These Agobot variations wouldn't be a problem if half of the virus scanners in the world didn't only scan into UPX compressed files.

      The problem is, if you search google for Executale Compressors you get a hundred more that McAfee and Norton can't see until it's too late.

      Run PEID and find a couple hundred things on your OWN executables that McAfee can't look inside.

    3. Re:Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by juggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am sort of surprised to hear that this is still a problem. I was working at an anti-virus company before and they had a pretty convincing way of dealing with it: 1.) you check for the "compressed" property (not so difficult since most put in their signatures) 2.) decompress it with your specialized routine or use a 386 emulator to do it - slow, but effective, and you need it anyway to weed out those polymorph viruses...

  9. Gee, I wonder why? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it freakin' obvious that computer viruses are written by rebellious and outcast youth who (like most youths) consider themselves invincible? Anyone with the slightest incling of the rebellious mind will recognise that arresting someone for an act will encourage others to commit the same act. German kids used to consider it "kinda wrong" to write and release worms, now the government has gone ahead re-enforced the wrongness of that act. The fact that Microsoft ponied up a cash reward just broadcasts the message that writing and distributing worms really pisses them off (whereas before worm writers had nothing but an assumption). That message is now clear. Hate Microsoft? Wanna rebel against society? Write a worm!

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    1. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by js3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rebellion? wtf. It's sad that every stupid thing youths do is blamed on rebellion. The only reason worm writers and script kiddies exist is because there are millions of computers hooked to the net with no protection at all just begging to be hacked.

      or more to the point, if you leave your door open the thieves will come. We never learn from history. whatever we do it seems security is always an after thought. 9/11, worms, identity theft etc etc.

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    2. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by XryanX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great point indeed. If I had mod points, I'd surely bump you up.

      Certainly it's a scary thought to think that an 18-year old kid in Germany caused billions of dollars worth of damage to the global economy without even leaving his house.

      It's been said before, but I wouldn't be surprised if terrorist groups started looking into the use of worms. They're ridiculously easy to write, and they could cause a ton economic damage.

    3. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by eeg3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you really think that most of "today's youth" is capable of writing viruses in any mature manner? Other than Visual Basic programs that delete files, which isn't "mature," I don't. Your assumption that viruses are written by "rebellious and outcast youth" is not only unfounded, but completely absurd.

      Moreover, what do you suggest on preventing virus writing? Not arresting and punishing virus writers? Yes, that will work. Let people run around and break into computers maliciously and ruin things. That will definitely deter people from doing it.

      Of course software writers should create better applications and OSes, but that doesn't excuse malicious intent on someones part.

      Also, creating viruses doesn't hurt Microsoft. People will buy Windows regardless of the amount of viruses available for it. You're hurting the average joe, not Microsoft.

  10. arrests won't stem the tide... by agwis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    May has seen a noticeable spike in cybercriminal activity, suggesting that even the arrest of Sven Jaschan ...has done nothing to curb the problem.

    I doubt these arrests ever really curb the problem but instead add to it. Those that are captured get their names known world wide and are considered by many l33t hackers, although most are nothing more than script kiddies. Some (Mitnick for one) start successful security consulting businesses and become published authors afterwards.

    On the other hand, the monetary rewards for turning in a virus writer might be a better deterrent. I know people that would snitch on their own mothers for a reward!

    1. Re:arrests won't stem the tide... by agwis · · Score: 3, Informative

      oops, in hindsight I realized I shouldn't have lumped Mitnick in with virus writers, at least I don't think he was.

      Damn, where is that undo button?

    2. Re: arrests won't stem the tide... by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know people that would snitch on their own mothers for a reward!

      shit now I know why mum won't talk to me any more!
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  11. Use it to an advantage. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all these viruses out there you should use this as an advantage to show people Linux or at least install Mozilla on their system so they wont open as many possible viruses in the future. Right now I bet there is a record number of people who are sick of using their computer right now. So it is you chance to be the savior and show them linux (Just the simple stuff web browsing, word processing, Printing, playing MP3) if they are sick enough of windows they will let you give linux a try. If they won't then at least see if they are willing to run Mozilla instead of IE.

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    1. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been suggesting Mozilla as the answer to IE-hijacking [ad/spy]ware. Works every time. I also recommend Eudora as the answer to Outlook-exploiting viruses, but patching Outlook works just as well.

    2. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Adam9 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eudora? How about some easy spam filtering with Thunderbird?

    3. Re:Use it to an advantage. by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunatly most windows user dont know the difference. They know viruses are bad, and bad people create them. They think "BAD Ole people!". And then applaud Microsoft for their newfound interest in security and for offering rewards for the betrayal of the BAD,BAD people.
      They never once stop to think that all of those random popups and the like are not supposed to be a part of the internet, and that the machine they trust is a host to 10's or 100's of malware products. They just thank God it hasnt happened to them yet.

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    4. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Spam filtering at the client is not the solution. All my filtering occurs at the server.

  12. Why I Believe It's Rising by seanmcelroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the sheer number of computers out there and various OS flaws makes for more virus targets, but as for actual viruses, I attribute this to more people just know how to code. Coding has steadily become something with a large 'entry learning cost', to something many more people could do. Whether intentional or not, the average joe is becoming more exposed to the methodology of writing functional pieces of code through macros, application-specific scripts, etc. And as more jobs are offshored and people in other countries learn and become proficient at it, it's as simple as with a larger base of people knowing how to write code, and a constant ratio of all people with bad intentions, it will just keep increasing.

    Anyway, my two cents.

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    1. Re:Why I Believe It's Rising by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well unfortunately Microsoft made it really easy to make viruses. Back in the old days any virus that would do any real wide damage was made in assembly. Infected .EXE or .COM files and they did their thing then ran the rest of the program normally more or less. This took real skill to make a virus that would alter the code of the program and still run the application itself. Now any smuck can make a virus. Wait for a security release by Microsoft or check some hackers websites until you see a hole that you can exploit. Then make a server side program that copies itself to an other system using the same problem. No tricky coding no knowledge of the underlining architecture is involved. So back in the old days a virus writer was scum but at least he was respected for his intelligence. Now the modern virus writer is scum who is doesn't deserver any respect because what he is doing isn't that hard, an intro programming class could teach him the skills to do that.

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  13. Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All of their top ten are W32 viruses. This isn't surprising at all- but my question is, is it because of W32 being an inherantly insecure platform (which it certainly IS) or is it because Sophos doesn't track anything else?

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    1. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give it time! 64 bit Windows isn't even widely available yet. Sheesh!

    2. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Funny

      no, W32/ is a standard prefix for virus names, it just exists so you know it is a virus name

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    3. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      All of their top ten are W32 viruses. This isn't surprising at all- but my question is, is it because of W32 being an inherantly insecure platform (which it certainly IS) or is it because Sophos doesn't track anything else?

      All top 10 viruses are win32 viruses because the win32 platform has the largest market share and thus the most retarded users. And that's also why you shouldn't bash win32. Linux right now has a fairly decent reputation regarding security. However, how do you think Linux would fare if it had 50% market share of which half was running RH7.2 without ANY updates whatsoever? The virus problem lies with the virus writers who need to sod off and get a life. The problem with security in general lies with the stupid users.

      Remember that with auditing, regular updates, a good firewall and some finely-tuned ACLs even Win32 (NT5+) can be made pretty secure.

    4. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by LnxAddct · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every virus software I've ever used, about 7 different products, phoned home. Either when updates are being downloaded or when a virus is removed. Every AV program keeps logs, and sends them away back home. Read your license next time you install it, you apparently give them permission to do this. Then out of these numbers they use some simple statistics to figure out the totals.

  14. Copycats and innovators by leshert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Based on the last few analyses I've seen, it appears that occurrences of real "new" viruses, meaning ones made from whole cloth that "advance the state of the art", as it were, haven't really been up that much.

    What does seem to be up are "copycat" viruses--viruses that seem to be made from the new viruses. Either people are getting hold of the source to viruses, making a few modifications (to 'set their thumbprint' on them), and releasing them, or else just reverse-engineering the viruses. These "copycat" viruses do appear to be on the upswing. On the other hand, from all reports, the copycats tend to be poorly written and have flaws that either limit their spread or else limit their effectiveness.

    The real innovators, though, are definitely getting better every year.

    Is anyone doing that kind of analysis: rate of increase of "innovative", more dangerous viruses vs. random, garbage mods of existing ones? That would be an interesting glimpse into the state of the virus "industry".

  15. funny numbers by pedantic+bore · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It turns out that of the top 10, six are netsky variants. Makes you wonder whether they're counting the number of new viruses, or the number of variations (or bit patterns). It's hard to believe that there were really 959 new viruses in one month. Actually almost all of these viruses seem to be rehashes of the same old ideas, just a few new bells and whistles. Not that much innovation from what I can see.

    (not that I want there to be -- I'd be happy if all these sociopathic virus writers found something more productive to do, or just f****d off and died.)

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    1. Re:funny numbers by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Makes you wonder whether they're counting the number of new viruses, or the number of variations (or bit patterns).

      In any case, the _real_ issue is how many viruses have a noticeable effect, as a result of successful features, deception and propagation. The number of variants may be of interest to Symantec and the virus writers, but otherwise it's like keeping track of the number of nude bodies Beyonce's head is Photoshopped onto.

  16. Don Sven, cybercriminal by Slashcrunch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a joke!

    "...noticeable spike in cybercriminal activity, suggesting that even the arrest of Sven Jaschan, the German teenager who has owned up to writing Sasser and Netsky has done nothing to curb the problem."

    Oh right, so the arrest of Sven was going to solve the problem...? Maybe he wasn't the cybercrime boss after all..? Idiots.

    1. Re:Don Sven, cybercriminal by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, if they call him a prankster, it doesn't make him look evil enough...

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  17. Yes, but... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many of these affect Linux?

    Oh, right.

    And how is this news? Windows users expect to get hit by viruses; this is nothing new.

    When Linux starts getting hit, then I'll take notice.

    All those people who claim that Linux is ready for the desktop conveniently forget that it still doesn't support anywhere near the number of viruses that Windows does. A single release of Windows contains more virus enablement than all releases of Linux combined. When it comes down to it, Linux won't ever break into the desktop mainstream until Linus improves support for viruses.

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    1. Re:Yes, but... by xmorg · · Score: 2, Funny

      There isnt really alot of GNU viruses out there. We need to get a drive going to encourage virus creators to release their source code along with their viruses(i) so we can get more linux support! DONT forget BSD, we bsd users always get left out :P

    2. Re:Yes, but... by Xenna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Linux *is* getting hit, the Internet *is getting hit.

      Our (linux) mailservers are being bombarded with ten of thousands of virusmails daily (double compared to 2 weeks ago) thanks to cable and DSL machines that are spewing virusmails as fast as they can.

      Viruses may not target the infrastructure but they're certainly starting to affect it.

      Think of it as an Internet wide DDOS attack...

      X.

  18. I wonder if virus writters know the damage they do by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am sure most of them see it as a joke or some political statement. But the political statement is pretty lame because no one knows what your angry about, "I Made this virus to protest the war?", "I made this virus to protest the the treatment of X", "I Made this virus because I dont like X company". When you get a virus it doesn't seem to spur the ideas that the virus writer wanted to portray.

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  19. It's not even that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Most viruses, like Bagel and Netsky, spread via user stupidity. They e-mail themselves to everyone on your list, and then people open them, and infect themsleves, etc. The exploit viruses are far rarer.

  20. How to curb the problem... by SamMichaels · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Say this with me: EDUCATE THE PERSON.

    I can't even estimate the number of people with whom I've dealt that have expired, disabled or even damaged anti-virus programs on their computers. Their justification is "I don't know about spending that $X/yr...I don't need it."

    For those with Windows versions that have the auto update features available, I can't even estimate the number of people with whom I've dealt that have it disabled, inactive or just ignore it. Their justification is "it slows down my AOL and it keeps popping stuff up or tries to restart the PC."

    It's *GREAT* for business and part of me wants to thank the virus writers, spammers and spyware folks...you're providing me with a chance to make some beer money. However, what it boils down to is SOMEONE has to educate the masses...and that someone is all of us; even if we just remind our family and close friends.

    Before your little brother or sister [son or daughter] go back to college this fall, MAKE SURE THEIR PC IS SECURE. The college folk with whom I've dealt have epidemics happening on campus...the networks are so overloaded that it's difficult to even fix the machine without taking it home.

  21. Laws are not the answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Laws stop very few crimes.


    This case is particularly clear - forget about punishing the behaviour - just fix the technical problems that allow worms and virii to exist.


    There may be no I or U in TEAM, but you can make meat out one.

  22. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by hazem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody seems to be bringing up the possibility that the rise in viruses could be attempts at economic warfare. There are a lot of people disgruntled with the US and the West and some of them are probably good programmers.

    It would be interesting to compare the economic costs of losing the World Trade Center buildings to the economic cost of viruses and fighting them.

    It could be a case of "we are at war with you and I made this virus to cost you money and productivity."

  23. Buffer overflows by fungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of these worms exploit buffer overflows.

    Just like most exploits under Unix systems.

    I think we'll see less occurances of theses worms when NX-compatible processors become common.

    Like AMD64 processors...

  24. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by docbrazen · · Score: 5, Informative

    You could try:

    ClamAV, A GPL virus scanner featuring:
    * command-line scanner
    * fast, multi-threaded daemon
    * milter interface for sendmail
    * database updater with support for digital signatures
    * virus scanner C library
    * on-access scanning (Linux and FreeBSD)
    * detection of over 20000 viruses, worms and trojans
    * built-in support for RAR (2.0), Zip, Gzip, Bzip2
    * built-in support for Mbox, Maildir and raw mail files

    I use ClamAV on my mail server and it works pretty good.

    There is also an open source windows version called ClamWin Antivirus.

  25. Social Engineering by ThisIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd say that social engineering worms are superior to every other type of malware, no matter how elegantly written past viruses/worms may have been. Why bother with rewriting partition tables, privilege elevation exploits, or VB scripts that take over Outlook, when the user will willingly run the code based on a one sentence message from some stranger? If you had told me this 10 years ago, I would have laughed at the prospect that gullibility and ease-of-use would be the two greatest threats to computer security. Amazing.

    Sasser may have generated the most complaints for lazy [and/or clueless] admins, but these mailer worms are the biggest headache for me. Unlike Sasser (we have no cases of it), the social engineering ploy is going to continue to be effective until e-mail as we know it changes. Sender authentication + SMTP would fix both spam and virus problems, unfortunately at a great cost in convenience to users. Considering that almost everyone I know receives 90 per cent spam/viruses in their inboxes every day, that inconvenience is looking more trivial every year.

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    Fred

    "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
    -RMS
  26. Sophos, in case you've forgotten... by gumpish · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sophos, in case you've forgotten, are the same bunch of asshats who asserted to the media that Linux advocates were responsible for the MyDoom worm.

  27. ISPs should be doing this unless by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately most ISPs don't qualify as much more knowledgable than most users. Therefore they'd find a cheap solution and deploy it. Period. I'm waiting fearfully for Cisco or somebody to introduce a cheap/powerful enough router or some piece of head-end gear that the ISPs will just turn on stateful packet filtering across the board, and deny all incoming connections.

    And of course this still won't stop the problems, because there will still be other disease vectors besides incoming connections. So I also won't be surprised to see rate limits on outgoing email and filters on every outgoing port where the ISP provides that service in-house.

    They've only begun closing down the Internet. There's lots more to go, in the name of spam, virii, and terrorism.

    As for 'users capable of administering their own connection,' no way. Who evaluates? Giving every idiot who simply asks full privileges opens the floodgates, again. Probably the simplest, most likely thing would be to allow MSCEs to administer their own connections. Is that what you really wanted?

    Mildly off-topic... Sometime I'd like to take a look at the most simply-caught spam. IMHO, spam would be a great way to broadcast clandesting (including terrorist) information. Nobody reads the stuff, or at least most people try not to. A little deception, a little steganography, a little encryption, a little spread-spectrum, (split/interleave the message amoung many pieces of spam) and you've got a terrific worldwide communications channel.

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  28. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by Ggggeo · · Score: 2, Funny
    What a stunning endorsement:

    I use ClamAV on my mail server and it works pretty good.
    When you think mediocrity, think ClamAV

    :)

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  29. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by ImpTech · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't worry. Even if all the virus writers go away, there will still be the spammers and the spyware writers. Not to mention the really-shitty-driver writers. They're the most nefarious of the bunch.

  30. There aren't many damaging viruses out there. by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And I don't mean "will instantly wipe your hard drive".

    I mean ones that will randomly alter numbers in Excel spreadsheets and Access databases.

    At the moment, viruses are just a really huge annoyance and a means for spammers to grab more zombies.

    I think the copycat viruses are because it is far easier to copy what someone else has already proven than it is to do original work. I also believe that most virus writers aren't that great at writing code. But that's just my personal opinion. The majority of "viruses" I see via the email scanner are the old "click the attachment" types of trojans. Social engineering.

  31. Mediocrity! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you think mediocrity, think ClamAV

    That might actually help it penetrate the corporate and academic markets.

    Seriously though, the names of some OSS projects totally preclude their penetration in some markets. I asked my boss if we could put 'the GIMP' on the image for the summer, and only purchase a Photoshop seat when requested; she laughed at me and said 'no', then asked what the GIMP was.

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  32. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    FYI: Other AV companies (like sophos) detect well over 90,000 viruses, worms, and trojans. I would not be touting 20k.

  33. Raging at the Machines by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Speaking of viruses, etc. It seems that in an incredibly noisome network environment of viruses, spyware, malicious toolbars, the prudent computer user/administrator has to load up his computer with antivirus programs, adware removers/blockers , firewall software, etc.

    This serves to further complicate an already complicated system, and so strange side effects are more likely to pop-up (no pun intended). Such as between badly written printer drivers and firewall software, of all things.

    Foolishly, a couple weeks ago I volunteered to help a friend out with his home computer. Of course, it was practically locked up with all the crap he had on there. I re-installed it (XP Home), put on the cr. updates, got him set up with Mozilla, AdAware, Spybot S&D, and ZoneAlarm.

    I even talked him into getting his family members to use a limited account on the system, to hopefully keep the system as clean as possible for as long as possible. (However, I now realize that many games and other apps don't run properly under anything but an Admin account... so what's the use of that? Growl...)

    Printer was working, everything. So I handed it over to him, and a couple days later he calls me to tell me that the printer stopped working. In his effort to be helpful, he clumsily re-installed the printer drivers, but with the old version, not the new. I got it straightened out again, and after some research, discovered that his printer driver (for an HP Photosmart 7350), has some kind of funky problem with the latest version of the free Zone Alarm. But I managed a workaround to this by having him restart his printer driver service. That was yesterday.

    Now, something else has happened to the printer, the goddamned thing won't print at all, and re-installing the printer drivers makes not ONE fucking difference.

    So what's my point (other than the one under my hat ha-ha)?

    1) We have to try to protect ourselves from all the low-lifes trying to own our systems, and in so doing, make our systems even more complicated and difficult to get them to perform the tasks we have them for in the first goddamned place.

    2) No matter how much you straighten out somebody's system for them, they can balls it right up again within a short span. Only this time, it's YOUR fault. (I thought of keeping the admin password only to myself for the trial period, but as I mentioned, in order to use it for games, they have to log in as Admin. So they can change anything, install anything, and then play innocent when it breaks.)

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    They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
  34. my scifi worry is... by Snafoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that once biotech takes off we'll see the same explosion in human virii that we currently see in their digital cognates.

    'Bitter, disillusioned teenager (or bitter, disillusioned terrorist) whips up new version of influenza, pictures and patches at eleven. If you live on the south side of the river, however, you're as good as dead, please try X brand tylenol for all your lethal-flu-related misery.'

    BTW, what would a human equivalent to 'Windows Update' look like?

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    1. Re:my scifi worry is... by am+2k · · Score: 2, Insightful
      BTW, what would a human equivalent to 'Windows Update' look like?
      Active immunisation? We're already doing that today, even for influenza (which mutates on a yearly basis anyways).
  35. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by Erwos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At the risk of sounding like a bigger loser than I really am:

    One time, when I was bored a number of years ago (think, 10-12 years ago), I was browsing through the complete listing of viruses for the Mac that the virus scanner would catch. There were only a couple hundred at the time, and pretty much all of them were trojans.

    Something that struck me was the number of political ones. A rather significant percentage were designed to spread a message. I find this interesting, because nowadays, that political element seems to be totally gone. That's not to say they didn't have destructive payloads - I recall that more often than not, they did.

    I think it would be a fairly interesting study to hunt down early virus databases and compare them to ones today.

    -Erwos

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  36. You need to know this by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 2, Funny

    A very good parent post. You should forward a copy of it to all of your friends by email.

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  37. What's important is HOW they infect by prandal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are several infection vectors used by the current round of viruses. I'm assuming that even fully patched versions of Windows, Outlook Express, and Internet Explorer are vulnerable to security exploits (they are).

    1: Executable attached to email, either auto-infecting or using the social engineering made possible by Microsoft's "virus-friendly" File Extension Hiding. So people click on what they think is a text file attachment (where even the icon makes them think that it is a genuine text file). As I've repeatedly said before, it is time that Microsoft released a patch to completely diasble and remove this dubious feature from Windows.

    Cure: Use a non-Microsoft email reader - Pegasus Mail, Thunderbird, whatever.

    2: Social engineering via email. Who in their right mind would open an attached password-protected .zip file where the password was given in the email body?

    Cure: User education.

    3: Seemingly innocent HTML emails which contain an OBJECT DATA exploit.

    Cure: Don't use Outlook. Use an email gateway box running MailScanner to disarm dangerous HTML tags.

    4: Worms spread via direct connect to your PC.

    Cure: Proper firewalling, use application proxies and don't NAT anything to the net. This is more appropriate in a corporate environment.

    5: Web pages with dangerous HTML which, by exploiting IE or Outlook Express vulnernabilities, run malware on your PC.

    Cure: Use a proxy server which strips all dangerous tags; Dump Internet Explorer and use Mozilla Firefox instead.

    6: You are "Protected" by Antivirus software but the virus / worm got you before the vendor's weekly update came out. (Waving to McAfee and Symantec as I write this). This is the BIGGEST change I've seen in virus behaviour this year. Since February, we've been catching viruses/worms before some of the main vendors have had updated patterns out. (thanks ClamAV and Bitdefender).

    Cure: Antivirus vendors need to release patterns as soon as they've got the virus signatures tested, and not wait to see if an outbreak happens. Users need to update their virus patterns on an hourly basis, not weekly.

    That'll do for starters.