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Apple Rolls Out AirPort Express, AirTunes

das writes "Apple has introduced AirPort Express (specs), a palm-sized, portable 802.11g base station with 10/100 ethernet, USB printer sharing, and analog and optical audio output, for connection to a stereo system or powered speakers for streaming your music collection via 'AirTunes.' It supports multiple profiles for easy use at multiple locations It can plug directly into the wall as a "power brick", or use a longer power cord, similar to the newer PowerBook AC adapters. AirTunes requires iTunes 4.6, expected to be available soon."

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  1. This rocks! They will sell millions. by fname · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's $70 cheaper than the SliMP3. It can replace a base station for many users. Less than the Wireless-G bridge that Linksys sells. Digital outputs for hooking up a stereo! I just ordered mine, hopefully I'll get one of the first ones shipped. I'll probably tell my Mom and brother to get one too-- it's just too damn cool!

    1. Re:This rocks! They will sell millions. by captainbonehead · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, it's $150 less than the wireless Squeezebox.

    2. Re:This rocks! They will sell millions. by jdb8167 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, remember all the drawbacks to the "lame" iPod? Everyone said it was doomed from the start. Please.

    3. Re:This rocks! They will sell millions. by Selecter · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Time to burn some karma. Here goes.

      Yes, Slashdot has proven time and time again that they understand what's Apple's doing better than Steve Jobs.

      Do I REALLY need to link back to all the early postings about the iPod, about how it was tooo little too late, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, nothing new.

      How about the iPod mini dicussions? About how the colors were stupid and gay looking, how little the hard drive was, how no one needed a smaller iPod, etc.?

      I think there's ONE thing that has been established on Slashdot without a doubt:

      YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT WHAT REGULAR PEOPLE WANT AND EVEN LESS ABOUT HOW APPLE'S PRODUCTS FIT IN, SO ******STFU****** and get on about your lives.

      And I just got down.

  2. Apple Personal Modem lives again! by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Informative

    How history repeats - the apple personal modem 1200 (other site) plugged into the wall also, and connected your computer to the outside world. Only this time, it's smaller, it's wireless, has audio out, and is 45,000 times faster.

    my 1000th post!

  3. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by yabos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    APPLE makes this to work with APPLE products. There is no law that says they have to make it completely open and work with everything. It works on a PC(w/iTunes) as well from what I've read so what's the big deal.

  4. iPod with WiFi next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This looks like a great product, and kudos to Apple for letting it work with PCs.

    Next step: having an iPod with WiFi that streams music/video to this baby! That would be super cool, and such a fun party trick. No more cables.

  5. Cool! by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just hope my neighbors get 'Airtunes' within a reasonable timeframe...they took forEVER to get a wireless router. Some people are so lazy...

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    1. Re:Cool! by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope they like your taste in music... ... at 3 AM

    2. Re:Cool! by Sunnan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Last summer, whenever my flatmate would play obnoxious music at 3 AM I'd just ssh into her box over 802.11b and tell her XMMS to skip to the next song, and ocassionally lower the volume.

      Because of the Broadcom/Linux issue I guess it's back to ethernet this summer.

      Maybe we should just set up mpd.

  6. apple innovates again by babazoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    this product is going to sell like crazy. 99% of consumers don't care about the fact that you have to use apple software, or that it is closed-source, or that it has no web interface. haven't you read the articles about wireless recently? most people don't even realize that there is a web-interface in their routers!

    notice as well.. the thing has OPTICAL out capabilities. i see 5.1 surround coming from itunes soon.

  7. sigh by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't need it, I can't afford it...but it's just so cool. Sigh. Apple really got their foot in the door when I got this PowerBook.

    Where is my credit card?

  8. Questions by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is not clear from the information provided -- will it be able to stream to multiple locations at once? Will it be able to keep those locations in sync on the same source of music, as well as allow you to stream different playlists to different sources?

    It looks like you can also use this in a wired fashion, where you connect this device to your wired network, and it will do the audio out as well. For me this would be more handy, because I already have ethernet wire to my stereo, but need a good way to get audio out of that... Is this actually how it will work?

    One thing this is missing is a way to control iTunes remotely. I still think slimp3 is on the right track. A server with a web interface that lets you control what music you're playing where. I might want my PC in my office in charge of storing and dishing out the music, but have a webpad or something floating around my house to let people control what is playing where.

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    1. Re:Questions by SandSpider · · Score: 4, Informative

      will it be able to stream to multiple locations at once?

      Doesn't look like it from the screen shots. It appears to be a drop-down menu, not checkboxes, so I would imagine one at a time.

      It looks like you can also use this in a wired fashion, where you connect this device to your wired network, and it will do the audio out as well.

      Nope. Check the comparison chart on Apple's site, and you'll see that it doesn't connect to the LAN, just to the Internet.

      One thing this is missing is a way to control iTunes remotely.

      Just a guess, but I'd say there will be several products announced in July or thereabouts that will allow you to control all of this through the AirTunes network.

      =Brian

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  9. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there is none, except someone making it a big deal. It does exatly what it says it does, plays a playlist to your stereo without a line connection to it. Nothing more, Nothing less. For the money this is probably one of the better solutions out there.

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  10. Re:Wow what a POS by njfuzzy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nonsense. This is a $130 base station. It has every feature that home users use from the AirPort Extreme base station for a lot less money. The audio features are pure gravy.

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  11. Sounds good to me by miked378 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the way to think of this is that it's a Wireless-G router with no LAN-side ethernet ports, but instead has an audio-out connector. Bottom line -- maybe it's not a Squeezebox, but the fact that it costs less than routers with similar feature sets, AND will work really well for those of us who have already bought into the Mac platform, makes it a potential huge winner.

  12. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by gamgee5273 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I agree with you on most points, except for the fact that the Squeezebox has to re-encode things like AAC on the fly... not my preference. Also, it cannot handle protected AACs from the iTMS. Kinda important for those of us who shop there from time to time and don't want to re-encode those files. :)

    Personally, I like the AirTunes idea, though the lack of a display or remote is big. For now, I'll stick with the iPod dock connected to my stereo. Not as slick as wireless, but gives me everything I want or need.

  13. awesomely bitchin! by maxbang · · Score: 5, Funny

    This'll be badass with my shreddin air guitar!!

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  14. This is perfect for it's target market by MacFury · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Your criticisms are almost unjustified because the two products serve different market segments.

    My friends often listen to music on their iBooks while sitting on the couch, they currently have a long speaker cable from the audio out to their stereo system. They will buy this in a second.

    I'll be grabbing one as a wireless printer server and WiFi extender.

    Did anyone else not see this product coming? It completely caught me by surprise/

    1. Re:This is perfect for it's target market by weileong · · Score: 3, Insightful

      to the specs posted -- "AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network. " -- translation - if you want to use this for wireless iTunes streaming, then you will need to also have purchased an Apple airport in order

      could it be a CYA so as not to have to worry about supporting who-knows-what stations out there?

      THe Airport Extreme is based on the broadcom chipset IIRC (it's not like Apple has their own chip fabs), and so it shares the lineage of the linksys boxes etc.; how apple extreme base stations extend wireless range is through WDS, which last I checked is not an apple proprietary system.

      of course until the machines show up and someone tries it with a non-apple box (and blogs about it), we can't really be sure.. .

    2. Re:This is perfect for it's target market by Millennium · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well that's all nice and well -- but do you already have an Apple base station? If not, expect to spend up big getting your "Wifi extender". According to the specs posted -- "AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express can extend the range only of an AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express wireless network. " -- translation - if you want to use this for wireless iTunes streaming, then you will need to also have purchased an Apple airport in order to NOT to have to run an Ethernet cable to the Airport Express.

      Um, no. Read the specs more closely next time.

      If you are using AE as a range-extender, then yes, it does require an AEBS. However, it can also act as its own base station/access point/whatever, with the caveat that it only supports up to ten devices (the AEBS supports up to 50).

      Of course, from the look of things, you can also buy multiple AE boxes and set up a network using only these.

  15. Re:One Big LAME by ectomort · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can do that, so long as the machine in the closet is running iTunes and sharing it's local music library. That's the beauty of this device... 802.11g, Rendezvous (ZeroConf), and the iTunes protocol are integrated in it.

  16. Call Me Amish, But... by bfg9000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... there comes a point where all this convenience is deadly to fat guys like me. I'll just stick with putting a CD in my stereo, thanks. North America has so much convenience we're all dropping dead. I even have a remote control to turn on my Exercycle from the couch, so my wife thinks I'm excercising when I'm actually watching Smallville reruns.

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  17. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Informative
    the UI is frankly much better than iTunes anyway

    Yeah.. that's where you lost me.

    A couple of other points you made aren't quite true, i don't think... for instance, arguments like 'has no web interface' and 'only works with Apple software' and 'multi-room synchronization'... those are negated by the fact that it is meant to be used with an iTunes-loaded wireless computer, no?

    Also, there are plug-ins for iTunes. And I would call an optical jack a 'proper audio connector' but maybe that's just me.

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  18. Re:Good niche by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 3, Funny

    dude, you're getting a squeezebox

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  19. Apple listens to customers... by shrapnull · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People that use iTunes and iPods have long requested a simple way to stream music to stereos no matter where they are.

    Those tiny white earbuds become tiny white pains in the ass if used for any period of time, and I like to hear the phone ring while I'm working.

    You can bet your tail this device is only the beginning and can probably offer hints to the next iPod revision: wireless and remote-control modes.

    Apple finally has a respectful user-base and they'll do anything they can to keep it for as long as possible.

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    1. Re:Apple listens to customers... by inertia187 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Those tiny white earbuds become tiny white pains in the ass if used for any period of time, and I like to hear the phone ring while I'm working.

      You're supposed to stick them in your ear.

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    2. Re:Apple listens to customers... by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can bet your tail this device is only the beginning and can probably offer hints to the next iPod revision: wireless and remote-control modes.

      What I'm about to say may have been your intention, but if not, you may have hit on a huge selling point for these things.

      A fair amount of complaints about this device have been the fact that it has no local display and can only be controlled from a computer with iTunes. What if the next gen iPod could act like a remote (using IP over WiFi) for this thing? You could turn on your iPod, select the "Stereo" menu and see what's playing, queue up new songs (likely only those stored on you computer, since you'd want to shut off the iPod to avoid draining battery), etc all from the spiffy iPod interface.

      With something like that, Apple would be offering the ultimate music experience and give tons of people a reason to drop money into Apple's bank account. Get a Mac to organize all your tunes (or stick with the PC, if you like that sort of thing), buy a few of the devices for all your stereos/rooms, blanket your house in WiFi all the time, then buy an iPod for you/spouse/kids, etc that they can use to hear their favorite music wherever they are in the house. When you go out, you've got a portable jukebox as well.

      Apple is well on the way to revolutionizing the music experience. They are just a few steps away from the ultimate in convienice.

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    3. Re:Apple listens to customers... by ThatsNotFunny · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're supposed to stick them in your ear. Ahh... I thought the clerk said your rear!

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  20. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by dwbryson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    heh that's funny. My sister's boyfriend is the CEO of that company. She was yelling at me last night for having an ipod and not a squeeze box. I told her: "Whatever product meets one's needs for the right price is clearly the way to go." I suspect apple will eat this whole market up and away from squeezebox.
    especially since it is $60 cheaper.

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  21. This thing will sell like hotcakes by Electric+Eye · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really. Until now, the offerings on remote stereo hookups were fe and far between. I just set one of my clients up with one. It was cheap. It worked. But it sure can't act as a bridge. This is going to save a lot of people a lot of money. Previously, you had to buy another Airport Extreme for $100+ to create a bridge. Now, only $30 and you get the benefit sharing your printer and iTunes wherever the hell you want. Brillant! (To borrow the word fromthe new Guiness commercials)

  22. Re:One Big LAME by shawnce · · Score: 5, Informative

    No problem. iTunes is fully scriptable via AppleScript on Mac OS X and I believe now via COM on Windows. I bet you can find software to control it as needed, if not, you will shortly.

    Also the updated iTunes hasn't been fully release yet so who knows but it may provide such capabilities between iTunes applications directly.

    Now you just need a wireless (11b/g) remote that can connect to iTunes, etc. :-)

  23. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Espen · · Score: 4, Informative

    If your computer isn't too far away, just use your mobile as the remote and/or display. Bluetooth and Salinger Clicker or Romeo will give you what is effectively a remote with a display.

  24. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by lullabud · · Score: 5, Informative
    You're leaving out all the other points that this devices has.
    • It's an 802.11g repeater
    • It's a NAT router
    • It's a network usb printer server
    • It's most likely the only AP that was designed for portability (correct me if I'm wrong)
    So sure, if you're buying this thing strictly for music then yeah, you might be buying the wrong, or simply less expensive alternative to squeezebox. But if you want a portable AP/Router that has a nifty added feature of wireless audio support it's a hell of a product.
  25. Re:Wow what a POS by justMichael · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is pathetic. $129 for this. Come on. For 250 you get a hard drive and an interface. All this does is get a signal from your computer. It doesn't even have a way to change the song remotely. Stupid! I expect MUCH better from Apple. This with a wireless remote that resembles an iPod would be awesome. But since there is no remote. It sucks.
    You do realize that it is also a Wireless bridge and can act as a remote print server. The print server doesn't make sense to me, I don't want a printer by my stereo.

    Look at it this way, you have an xbox/ps2 that you want to get online and have also been looking for an easy way to listen to your iTunes music on your stereo. For $129 you get a bridge that will allow you to get your console online and an audio out to pipe into your stereo.

    I paid close to $100 for a POS NetGear bridge a while back and it's only a b not g device.

    Sounds reasonable. I don't see myself getting one, but that doesn't mean I think it's a watse of money/time and Apple should be slapped for making it.
  26. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


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  27. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by aberkvam · · Score: 5, Informative
    • no headphone output or proper audio connectors
    I am not sure what you mean by this. There is an 1/8th inch mini jack right on the AirPort Express. And for an extra $39 you can get the AirPort Express Stereo Connection Kit with Monster Cables which includes, "a Monster mini-to-RCA left/right audio cable, a Monster mini-to-optical digital Toslink audio cable and an AirPort Express power extension cord." I am not sure what else you could ask for.
  28. Re:One Big LAME by thefinite · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Well, I am wasting some mod points I spent here, but it's worth it just to tell you to use your imagination. I mean, why the heck can't you control your server from your laptop? There are several ways for doing this, no matter your platform.

    Forgive me for being rude, but the LAME thing here is your quickness at dismissing it. It is a pretty cool product for the price.

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  29. Repeater by Espen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since it hasn't been mentioned here yet, I would say that one of the 'sleeper' functionalities in the Airport Express is that it can act as a wireless repeater: if that is seamless, this could be a very handy little product indeed.

  30. Watch, this is a Trojan Horse... by sockit2me9000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously, Apple folds innovations on top of other innovations they make. This is the next ipod, people, they are already approaching the home stereo which is now integral to the home theater as well. 802.11g has more than enough bandwidth to stream movies, right? Now, Apple has completely outflanked MS's "media center" methodology by saying "why for the love of god to you need a completely separate computer to run your home entertainment system?" what is a receiver except for a specialized computer, a computer that can be linked with other computers through a router. My prediction: a wireless OLED remote with a bare-bones OS X-style interface controlling (wirelessly) all the media in computers around the house. All this for around 300 bucks. Apple won't produce a PDA because that has no defined role, it's too nebulous and from that comes confusion. BUT Apple has all the experience needed for a kick-ass remote that just HAPPENS to do email, surf the net, etc.Or, what if the ipod BECOMES the remote? Mark my words, this is coming within a year and it will be huge and considerably less-expensive than the microsoft solution. Plus, it will all integrate with the ipod, I'm betting. You know how OS X hooks up with bluetooth phones? Same idea. This is huge and it is huge because it will be cheap, seamless, and not smacking of convergence.

    1. Re:Watch, this is a Trojan Horse... by sockit2me9000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And the thing about this is that it's just so classically Apple. They create new markets. Why the hell hasn't anyone else stumbled on the idea of combining media sharing and a wireless access point? That's so obvious. But Apple's the first, and can guarantee a measure of inter-operability that Microsoft just can't because they don't control the whole widget. BUT now Apple can even make inroads on PC's too, because they have vertical integration. So, hypothetically, Apple may be able to bring media center functionality to PC's as well, without making the consumer buy another Wintel computer for media.
      This is the problem with Apple innovation, it seems so obvious and logical in retrospect that you tend to discount it because it is so elegant and obvious.
      But it's also interesting to note that Apple continues to innovate in ways that Microsoft can't because they're tied to a software only model and let others make the hardware (except for the X-Box). And it's also interesting because Apple seems to approach everything from a "modular" angle, letting bits and pieces build on each other as technology matures as opposed to the MS way of saying "this is how we are going to innovate, so all you better start." In short, Apple cuts out the nebulous third "????" step, patiently waiting until all the technology is there, all their ducks in order and then they release it and it isn't some half-assed near solution but a complete paradigm.
      Look at the PowerBook. They held off on G4's until they could do them right.

  31. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

    no headphone output or proper audio connectors

    Then what the hell is that audio connector?

    AirTunes Express Specs

    That supports both standard analog miniplug headphones and the digital optical miniplug. Both are very standard. They might not be the 1/4" connector or the TOSLINK, but that jack is very common, compact and serves your choice of analog or digital.

  32. Re:It's More Than Music by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Informative

    um this is cheaper than any other Linksys 802.11g router I have seen.... Last I saw they where still 140.

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  33. Note to Apple by milletre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple: You are SOOOO close on this.

    However, I don't *want* to stream iTunes (AirTunes ... whatever). I want to stream whatever would be coming out of my audio port. I want to sit on my couch, put in a DVD, and watch and hear a movie without wires everywhere.

    Can *any* device do this without a TV? I found this DVD player, but it's not what I'm looking for, either.

    1. Re:Note to Apple by fr0dicus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mail them and ask them to write it into the DVD player app. They listen, it's kind of scary.

  34. Re:Wow what a POS by jdreed1024 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The print server doesn't make sense to me, I don't want a printer by my stereo.

    I get the feeling Apple designed it as a wireless AP that can serve audio or share a USB printer, whichever the users want, rather than as a device for people who have a printer next to their stereo.

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  35. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    How is it insecure? it fully supports WPA.

    And have you ever tried one of those 25 dollar radio transmitters? They suck. I've never had one make it more than 15 feet in open air without turning the audio quality to snap crackly crap. This provides an all digital link which right away eliminates analog noise.

  36. Earbuds by alficles · · Score: 5, Funny
    Those tiny white earbuds become tiny white pains in the ass if used for any period of time,
    Perhaps you are wearing them incorrectly... they go in your ears. :D
  37. This thing is awsome, a few questions by ModernGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a D-Link wireless router here, I was thinking of lugging it back and forth everywhere I go, then I saw this beauty. I thought, "no, it will cost to much" then I saw the price, and I'll be ordering one ASAP. thanks again apple. I was wondering though, could this act as a repeater for my D-Link router? The d-link is in my (detached) garage, and only works in parts of the house, what if I plugged this into the house, could it repeat the D-Link's signal? Either way, I know I'm buying one. I wasn't even expecting this.

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  38. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by zensmile · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it does have some compatibility with WMA. Maybe you should read the fine print a little better.

    http://www.apple.com/itunes/import.html

    While I am sure it isn't exactly what you were looking for...it is fine for me. Your mileage may vary. Apple goodness.

  39. O-M-G... this is amazing by greg03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wow. That's all I can say. This has to be one of Apple's best products - kudos to Apple, you understand our needs completely! I'm even more excited because this will take wireless out of the hands of Wi-Fi start-ups (i.e. the ones that inexplicably charge people for Wi-Fi) and put it in the hands of people who benefit from wireless. Even better, this will give people motivation to buy that laptop, because now they can set up wireless base stations virtually anywhere. This may sound like hyperbole, but a product like this could have a similar effect as did the iPod. So then lies my only question: when is this product going to be available in Canada? Because if any Apple people are reading this, the customer base in Canada is hungry for stuff like this.

  40. Modem by geoffeg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why can't it have a 56k modem built in? That would be a great little device to take with you on trips.. Land lines are generally available everywhere but wireless or LAN isn't. What might also work is if there was a way to plug a USB modem into the USB port (that's supposed to be for printer sharing) and have the unit use that modem..

    Although it is nice that it can automagically act as a wireless bridge.

    Just my .02.
    Geoffeg

  41. Re:Wow what a POS by ratlater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would I want a hard drive and an interface? I have a big hard drive in my Power Mac, why should I duplicate all of my music on some MP3 network device and my Power Mac? Why would I want to manage music in 2 places? If I rip a new CD why would I want to add it to the MP3 device too?

    This device is half the price of what you mention and it acts as a wireless access point as a side benefit of streaming music. This is perfect for most users. The remote could be an issue, but you can control this with any laptop with iTunes and play the music from a desktop in another room on the speakers in your room. You can also use any of the new bluetooth equipped phones to remote control iTunes. I use the Salling Clicker on my T616 to control iTunes all the time. Hopefully apple will make a remote device soon that uses 802.11b and has a small LCD, I'm sure they will before too long, and if they don't I'm sure a few other companies will.

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  42. Re:Wow what a POS by aftk2 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Look at it this way, you have an xbox/ps2 that you want to get online and have also been looking for an easy way to listen to your iTunes music on your stereo. For $129 you get a bridge that will allow you to get your console online and an audio out to pipe into your stereo.
    This is actually exactly the first thing I thought of when I started reading about it. If it can work with existing wireless hardware, I think it'll do very, very well (for example, I have a wired Mac, and a Netgear wireless router. If you go from the Wired Mac -> Wireless Router -> Airport Express -> Stereo, as well as Cable Modem -> Wireless Router -> Airport Express -> Xbox, it's one heck of a device. And I don't see why you couldn't.)
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  43. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Buran · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pretty much, what it's for is to make your music play from much nicer speakers than the ones in your laptop, and you can sit in the same room as the stereo and change songs by clicking on the screen.

    I'm planning to purchase one and hook it up to Input 2 of my powered speakers (Input 1 goes to the television.) That way, I can sprawl on the couch and, when I run out of things to watch on the Tivo, click buttons on Synergy (an iTunes menu-bar controller) or the iTunes window, and instead of coming out of my Powerbook's cheap speakers, the music will play out of the much better Sonys.

    Plus, it's a wireless print server, so I could get a photo printer and stick it in the living room on the lowest shelf of the TV cart and print out photos from time to time. And it's a wireless repeater, which means I can finally sit on the porch on nice evenings and surf the web. (That last might not work until I get an Apple branded basestation, but I won't know for sure till I get one of these things.)

    As for audio connectors - it's got a standard 1/8" headphone jack. You can use any adapters you like for hooking up stereo equipment to that. My speakers will (I think; I'm at work) require a 1/8" to RCA adapter cable, and I happen to have several lying in a drawer here in the video equipment pile.

    I'm going to get this so I don't have to splurge for the home media option on the Tivo - I don't like the interface the Tivo is using, I don't need the photo streaming, I do need a wireless repeater, and the print server function may someday be useful to me.

  44. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I would add one feature: Multiple streams. Send the news radio or an audio book to the kitchen, and a playlist of lullabies to the nursery, from one computer.

    Applescript and Salling Clicker will make this awesome. And a $130 bridge will help me to get better reception in the bedroom, which is very far from the base station and through a cinder-block wall and a chimney.

    This thing is amazing... just amazing.

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  45. plug-ins (including Ogg) and "proper" connectors by sjonke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Regarding "open source, plugins or thrid [sic] party". iTunes can play any audio that can be played in QuickTime, and QuickTime supports plug-ins. There is an open-source Ogg Vorbis plug-in, for example.

    Regarding "proper audio connectors". True that it only has a mini-jack for analog audio, but it also has a digital audio port, which is certainly "proper" and what you'll want to use if you want high fidelity.

    Just for the record, you could also plug headphones into the mini-jack, though I find it somewhat unlikely that people would be interested in plugging there head directly into a power outlet, which is the impression you would get with this device.....

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  46. Since it's on topic.... by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple's had lots of problems recently with AirPort.

    An update a month or two ago completely hosed both the base station and client in terms of speed, signal strength, and reliability. The update was pulled, and a new version was posted a week later.

    The new version still had problems. Frequently, users would completely lose signal for 30 seconds to 5 minutes. I specifically had this problem, and looking around the forums, there weren't many who didn't.

    Last week, apple posted an update to the client-side driver which seems to have fixed the last of the problems. Even though it's now fixed, apple was really ierresponsible by not just reverting to the old version (they didn't even provide a method to remove the faulty drivers!). I'd expect way more from Apple.

    Chances are they waited until all the outstanding bugs were worked out with the current airport stuff before releasing this little gizmo.

    I may get one just for the audio features and to act as a bridge in my living room which is logistically impossible to wire.

    At $129, it's a friggin' steal. The old AeBS was pretty pricey at $199, and the only things justifying that high price were the USB printserver (which, BTW, doesn't support all printers, especially those which have cardreaders which act as USB hubs), WDS, and the enterprise-grade administration tools. All home users would care about was the print server.

    Now, at $129, it's directly in competition with the consumer gear from Linksys, Netgear, and Co. Firstly, apple users always expect to pay a bit on the top for apple-branded gear. The quality you get is usually worth the extra 20% or so -- I've had more Netgear/Linksys power supplies die on me..... Secondly, a decent 802.11g AP WILL cost you a good $80-$90. One with a USB print server will easily cost as much as or more than the Airport Express. An independent wireless USB print server also costs around $100. Only using it as a print server is cost-effective. Finally, the audio feature is unheard of on this kind of multifunction device. You can expect to pay at LEAST $130 for a device which streams audio over the network and does nothing else. Granted, it will usually have some sort of screen and remote, but for the price, it's really not an issue. Oh yeah... did I mention it's tiny? (and very similar to the Power/iBook chargers)

    The only feature I would have liked to seen would have been a USB fileserver. Instead of plugging in a printer, plug in a USB Memory Key or Hard drive and serve files off of it. Guess you can't have everything :)

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  47. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's an access point for all those hotels with wired connections. Now you can get pr0n on the road in the bed without having an ethernet cord to get in your, um, "escort's" way!

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  48. Re:That's where he started making sense, actually. by javax · · Score: 3, Funny

    yeah, mpg123 and winamp really do have a better gui then iTunes...

    or are you saying that there are no good music player UIs out there at all?

  49. Let's think this remote thing out... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Okay: no remote. I can keep my iPod on the dock connected to the stereo and pop a remote on that... but how do I get the music from there to, let's say, outside? I have to bring the iPod with me... and the dock if I want the real line-out function...

    But there is no remote or display for the AirTunes, so I can't control things without going to the computer. I can use Bluetooth (my Belkin adapter has a 100 ft. range) and my Palm Tungsten T... hmmm. But I still don't get a playlist display. Can't change the playlist that's currently on, either.

    I could buy a Keyspan remote... but a 40 ft. range and RF is not the best way to go, IMHO.

    Why do I see a small" iTablet" in Apple's future? About the size of a Palm, stylus or touch controlled, with the ability to pick up shared iPhoto libraries and to control AirTunes wirelessly? Maybe even include some of the Newton's handwriting recognition since Mac OS X has the Inkwell technology in place...

    I think AirTunes is a Apple putting their toe in the water to see what feedback they get. The PDA/tablet rumors may actually be tied more to the digital hub than to actual portable computing...

    1. Re:Let's think this remote thing out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If the Mac hosting the iTunes library has Bluetooth and your Tungsten does as well.. Or if you have a BT enabled Mac and a BT enabled cell phone..

      Salling Clicker v.2.1

      Don't you hate it when some people hog the CD-player for hours during your parties? Using your computer as a juke-box (with password-protected screen saver on), this is a problem of the past. Salling Clicker lets you pick the songs while taking care of your guests. Not only can you move between and scan within tracks--Salling Clicker lets you search for tracks by name, artist, composer, and album. When used with a Palm, you even have the option of reviewing upcoming tracks or album artwork on your PDA's display!

  50. Not secure??? by midifarm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Directly from the Apple page... Secure Connection Rest easy -- AirPort Express takes strong measures to prevent unauthorized intrusion into your wireless network. It features a built-in firewall to protect you from gate-crashers from the Internet. It also features password protection and supports powerful encryption technologies including Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) and 128-bit WEP encryption.

  51. KISS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep It Simple Stupid...

    The target audience for this product is a Mac user... people are typically drawn to Mac for it's "it just works" image (which has been dilluted lately).

    This seems like a very Mac way to get these functions done... via your existing familiar itunes interface you can play songs on your home stereo w/o a wire from your PC to the stereo.

    It also eliminates a router for people who don't use wired devices.

    With this less-then-a-typical-brick sized device you can put your cable modem and printer in/on a desk, and hook up your stereo too. Then your Mac's around the house can print, share files, connect to the net and play music on the stereo...

    Apple definiately did their homework for this one...

  52. Argh! Steve you magnificent bastard... by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I was getting so psyched last night because I got my Via EPIA board loaded up with Fedora and XMMS, and could finally stream my favorite streaming audio site, albeit with Ethernet cable (Wi-Fi was on my project plan), and pipe it through my office stereo.

    And this little beauty will plug right into the wall socket by my stereo for a lot less money, less hassle, etc.

    Anybody wanna buy an EPIA, slightly used?
    (DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN......)

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  53. Wait til the next gen iPods are WIFI.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cool gadget...

    I've been doing this in more kludgy ways with
    wifi laptops hooked up to stereos. This just makes it very nice,easy, and convenient. Always a distinction for Apple stuff.

    As for no display or remote, that's kinda moot.
    Most people with wifi have a laptop in front of them and can see what's playing.

    Imagine,if the next gen iPods are wifi, then it'll be just like having a remote and being able to see/change your songs without wandering into the computer room.

    Anyone, see future video coming down the pipe
    on one of these from your centralized movie collection on your mac/pc?

    Maybe an iTheater app?

  54. Addition by midifarm · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Since this is a hardware piece that simply transmits and receives, I would say that the multi-room broadcast can simply be written into iTunes or whatever software is written to take advantage of the product. Let's face it, it's a wireless jacknife!

    Peace

  55. Similar to Creative Labs Wireless solution by ntaylor963 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Creative Labs is already shipping a similar product for streaming audio off your computer, but theirs has a wireless RF remote.
    http://us.creative.com/products/product.a sp?catego ry=119&subcategory=121&product=9192#

    Apple has the marketing power so their solution will probably sell better. Maybe when Apple let's you control the music via your iPod, it'll be as nice. Until then I'd take Creative Labs system, even if it's not perfect.

  56. Airport Express != slimp3 by asv108 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The slimp3, audiotron, and similar devices are in another league compared to this device. Streaming itunes wirelessly is nice but you still need to go back to your computer to change a song. I would not recommend this for home use unless your ok with going back computer every time to change a song.

    I really see this as being a great product for sharing the audio on your laptop and playing it on a friend's stereo. But this device doesn't even come close to what a slimp3 or a Roku Soundbridge can do.

    One thing missing from this device is a real optical out. I'm sorry but going analog mini jack -> digi optical doesn't make any sense.

    1. Re:Airport Express != slimp3 by sfgoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Streaming itunes wirelessly is nice but you still need to go back to your computer to change a song.

      Which will be sitting on your lap instead of across the room next to the TV. Which will have a 1 megapixel or bigger display, instead of a 2x24 character LCD.

      One thing missing from this device is a real optical out. I'm sorry but going analog mini jack -> digi optical doesn't make any sense.

      Do you really think placing the LED 12" differently in either direction matters? It's not like the DAC is all optical internally.

    2. Re:Airport Express != slimp3 by eclectic4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But, a 12" Powerbook with a built-in Airport card suddenly makes for a very nice remote.

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    3. Re:Airport Express != slimp3 by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative
      One thing missing from this device is a real optical out. I'm sorry but going analog mini jack -> digi optical doesn't make any sense.

      It's not a regular analog mini. It's a combo, regular analog mini on the outside, LED at the tip firing "down the middle" of the plug for digital. This has also been done on some Sony MDs. It's sending regular S/PDIF optical though.

      -T

    4. Re:Airport Express != slimp3 by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is as you describe. These things have been on Sony minidisc recorders for maybe five years now.

      It is a REAL optical out, any Circuit City, Best Buy and the like will likely have an optical miniplug to TOSLINK adaptor in stock. It is a black plastic miniplug with an optical pass-through to a socket. I have several that came with TOSLINK cables.

  57. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Fubar · · Score: 4, Funny

    > It's most likely the only AP that was designed for portability (correct me if I'm wrong)

    Heck, this is Slashdot - people correct you when you're right.

  58. It's got no local display or controls... by kriegsman · · Score: 3, Informative

    The SLIMP3 has a two line florescent display and an infrared remote control; the Airport Express has neither. With the Airport Express there's no way to see -- or control -- what music is playing without running from the living room (where the stereo is) back into the study (where the Mac with AirTunes is).

    You could use the ATI Remote Wonder RF remote control in the living room to skip forward and backward in the playlists while flying blind, but that's hardly the same as scrolling through them on the SLIMP3's text display.

    What's needed now is something that looks and works like an iPod, but is actually an RF remote control for AirTunes...

    -Mark, who wants one anyway for travelling

    1. Re:It's got no local display or controls... by log0n · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's wireless. Most people who use a wireless network are on laptops. You don't need a remote. That's the point.

      This is designed to replace ugly and bulky cables and half-assed-but-functional DIY schemes.

    2. Re:It's got no local display or controls... by sfgoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's needed now is something that looks and works like an iPod, but is actually an RF remote control for AirTunes...

      You mean, like an iBook?

  59. Re:One Big LAME by pudge · · Score: 4, Informative

    **** UPDATE ****

    I just got word from a "knowledgable source" :-) that iTunes 4.6 can send any music to the base station that it has access to, including from iTunes Music Sharing. However, since it just acts as a remote speaker, it means to do this, you will be streaming twice the amount of data over your network, and you'll need to leave iTunes open on the laptop. Bleah.

    So the options now -- since VNC and ARD are not an option, because of ease-of-use and security concerns -- are netTunes (which works now, because -- I didn't realize -- it basically just does a VNC of that one app), and an Apache interface.

    Also, the Express CAN share Internet access over the LAN to wired clients.

  60. Love letter to Apple by NormanEinstein · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Apple,

    Please stop making so many little, cool geek products. I'm running out of money.

    Love, Norm

  61. AirTunes? Two words: AM Transmitter by $calar · · Score: 3, Funny

    OK, why spend money on this when you can build an analog oscillator hooked to your computer and using frequency modulation to broadcast your computer's sound over AM radio waves??? I have done this so that way I can listen to my good music outside with a cheap radio. I don't know what AirTunes costs, but my method is very cheap. In fact, it's so awesome you can set it up to broadcast over any frequency! I bet the FCC wouldn't be happy about this, but my signal isn't very strong.

  62. A mobile access point! by mveloso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone's fixated on music, but the best thing for us road warriors is it's a mobile access point. I can bring it around and use the hotel's wired access wirelessly from my room. And it's tiny and light, so it won't load me down -or- take up a lot of space in the laptop bag.

    If you've never been on the road, you don't know how much of a pain it is to be stuck to the crappy desks most hotels have. Go wireless!

    You can also (with a y-cable) attach it to the in-room TV, so you can ditch those annoyingly-heavy travel speakers. Yahoo!

    Need to enable wireless in a conference room really quick? Plug in one of these puppies, and bang, you're ready to go. You can even configure the drop in the conference room as not connected to the inside net, allowing instant ad-hoc outside access.

    It's also something else: a security nightmare for IT. Imagine the problem IT had with unauthorized modems. Now you can have rogue access points the size of a pack of cards hiding out somewhere in your organization. You'd never find the freaking thing.

    What a neato gadget!

  63. optical out really makes sense here....not. by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Funny
    One thing missing from this device is a real optical out. I'm sorry but going analog mini jack -> digi optical doesn't make any sense.

    Yeah, and AAC/MP3 -> digi optical does...? You're not going to be playing audio CDs in your powerbook if you care about this sort of thing, because after all, you've got a $1k CD player, right?

    Yeesh, you audio weirdoes...

  64. Re:plug-ins (including Ogg) and "proper" connector by piecewise · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just for the record, you could also plug headphones into the mini-jack, though I find it somewhat unlikely that people would be interested in plugging there head directly into a power outlet, which is the impression you would get with this device.....

    Funny. After reading some of this discussion (your comment excluded), I honestly couldn't think of a better idea right now.

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  65. Movies over 802.11g by juuri · · Score: 3, Informative

    In theory it has enough bandwidth but in practical, real world usage 11g doesn't work well for movie streaming. First the movies must be encoded down to a lower bit rate than straight DVD and even then unless you have adequate buffering you may run into hiccups. The real problem though is if you have 11b devices on your g network because that lowers bandwidth for your g devices somewhat.

    However the next generation of wireless protocols will have enough raw bandwidth to stream raw DVDs and sound as well (in theory).

    Interestingly people seem to be skipping over the fact that this device is a bridge. Many components in the Entertainment center are, or will be shortly, ethernet enabled. Apple has really covered their bases with this product as it has a lot of appeal to very different market segments. I

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  66. Airport Extreme as a tether cutter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reading the complaints from previous posts, I can see most people are probably thinking in terms of a desktop user. However, if you think with the mindset of a laptop user, this Airport Express opens up wonders (especially for iBook users).

    First, the Airport Extreme gives laptop users a wireless path to the Internet (or an extended range if they already have a router).

    Second, the last major tether to the desk can finally be removed off a laptop: the printer. With the Airport Express, a laptop user can finally roam freely on a WiFi network and not have to re-wire in order to print a document.

    Third, especially for iBook users, a laptop user will not have to be restricted to their tiny built-in speakers in order to listen to music while moving around the house. The Airport Extreme will cut the wire from having an awesome external speaker connected to the laptop, and give users the ability to listen to their laptop music through those speakers wherever they go. And since a laptop user usually brings their laptops along, no remote is usually necessary (unless you're extremely lazy).

    While the lack of remote support can be a pain to desktop users, the Airport Express, in my view, is a godsend to laptop users.

  67. Coming Products... by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps we'll see the combination of AirTunes software with Garage Band? The new AirGuitar software should really liven the party up.

  68. Already did this manually... to buy or not to buy. by UncleRage · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've already done this using a low powered transciever.

    Setup is pretty much as follows:
    Both my Xbox (modded & running XBMC) and my studio box (older PM G4) access my fileserver via a Samba share. Both XBMC and iTunes are controlled via my handspring visor's (using a Xircom springboard modules) browser (XBMC has integrated webbrowsing, but I had to use DeadEnd's webRemote to control iTunes). Next, Both devices are mixed in through an old Fostex board and broadcast via a low powered stereo transmitter.

    This not only allows me to play all of my Ogg, Mp3 and AAC files on any stereo (or walkman) on (and around ;-) ) my home/property, it also allows me to control the tunes as I choose.

    It works quite well... but with a lot of obvious steps. (The biggest is using both the Xbox and the Mac... which I could overcome if I'd go ahead and strip my protected AAC's). Not sure if I'll go Apple's preferred route or not... but it is tempting.

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  69. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by cft_128 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The last FM transmitter I used pretty much... sucked. The audio quality was horrible and on the one I had always suffered from interference.

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  70. Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox by Brad+Siemssen · · Score: 3, Funny
    Personally, I like the AirTunes idea, though the lack of a display or remote is big.

    AirTunes has an amazingly powerful remote. It's called a Powerbook (must be purchased separately...). ;->

  71. Ooh! Shiny! by payndz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This sounds great!

    Now, all I need is a flat big enough to *need* wireless streaming to every room as opposed to 'turn the volume up on my iTunes-connected stereo and leave the doors open'...

    (Hmm, I guess I've reached the age when practicality and fiscul prudence take precedence over having the latest cool 1337 hardware. How depressing!)

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  72. Damned if you do, damned if you don't by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Funny
    I guess if you're REALLY on a budget then this is interesting

    That's the first time I've heard Apple get dissed for selling something too inexpensively. You just can't please people. ;-)

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  73. Re:typical apple apologist by sean23007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it's not good enough for you and doesn't do what you need, don't buy it. Buy something that does. If there isn't anything else that quite does what you need, why are you bitching about Apple not providing all your products for you, especially since you probably would never buy any of their products? How you got modded up, I don't know, but Apple didn't release this saying "This is the best Hi-Fi device ever, and it plays perfect sound and it does everything you'll ever need!!! Insanely great!" Instead, they said "This will let you play music off your stereo instead of your laptop speakers without plugging it in. This will extend your wireless network's range. This will act as a wireless print server for all the computers in your house. It's easy! And cheap!" It's not a fucking high fidelity audio appliance, you tit, it's designed to make things easy and better than they would be if you were playing MP3s off your computer. And that's what it fucking does.

    And no, I'm not some fanatic Apple apologist. I just dislike assholes. They make me have to yell.

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  74. Re:Odd info on the ASUS site... by MrChuck · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Where MS talked about zero-conf devices - mostly to kill Network Computers - and that's why we need so few Windows admins these days - 1 person can run 15000 windows boxes half time from bed ... oh wait...

    Where MS talked about zero config devices, Apple has put out Rendezvous. As an IETF standard. Which means that I have tools for it. On FreeBSD. A little work in /usr/ports (like "make install" - oh that's hard), and I can play with Rendezvous devices.

    One presumes that configuring it will be more towards "$Mom can do it" than the typical Windows
    "Wait until a full moon; reconfigure your interrupts so the devices are found alphabetically; swing the chicken innards over the heat sync and reboot 13 times while chanting the Rolling Stones verse: 'You make a grown man cry' 13 times backwards at the stroke of midnight."

    Instead, I'll suspect you'll do something like plug it in, hit it with a web browser or even iTunes 4.6 and say "find new device" and it will autoconfigure.

    *I* just want to know if I can auto conf it from FreeBSD and feed it tunes from a BSD box.

  75. Re:One Big LAME by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It looks possible that Jobs has this covered:
    When Jobs was demonstrating the new Airport Express, Walt Mossberg said that the biggest problem he saw was that users had to get up and walk to their computers to change play lists. Jobs joked that walking was good, but when pressed, he smiled a wry smile. AppleInsider correspondents took this to mean that Apple is developing in this area, and the Airport Express is just a step along the way.
    Kind of sounds like something's planned. A "Remote control" (something resembling an iPod, with 802.11 instead of a hard disk) for iTunes ought to be technically easy to build. I wonder if it would be something like that?
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  76. AirTunes Brand Name?? by avendasora · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since apple went through the trouble to start a new brand name as opposed to simply calling the AirPort Express "iTunes Enabled" I have a feeling that they are going to be allowing other manufacturers to add this functionality to their products.

    Imagine home electronics with a built-in WIFI receiver that is able to decode Protected-AAC and will show up in iTunes automatically as soon as you plug it in!

    I can't wait to buy a AirTunes iPod.

    Sure, they will have their own devices, but I bet it will also be a new "port" for other companies to use - same as FireWire has become so ubiquitous on video equipment.

    And for all you audiophiles out there, remember, iTunes can play apple's loss-less compressed format and the AirPort Express does have a digital audio out, so don't whine about the sound quality of playing compressed audio through your $40,000 stereo.