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Heat Insulators for Laptops

Alex Bischoff writes "The Gadgeteer has a review of a product called LapPads from LapLogic. They're heat-insulating pads to protect you from cooking your lap when using your laptop. Depending on the model, they apparently provide up to 57 degrees (F) reduction in heat transfer. Why didn't someone think of this sooner?"

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  1. Good by Diclophis · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So instead of heating up your leg, it will just heat up the inside of the machine.

  2. Why didn't someone think of this sooner? by MouseR · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Because it'll cook your laptop.

  3. How about building it into the laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just make the pad the bottom of the laptop.. I remember the good old days when laptops meant LAPtops..

    Now it's "desktop replacements"... like putting a desk on your lap?

  4. Are laptops designed to be used on laps though by Karl+Prince · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most laptop instruction books I've read (not too many though), say the laptop should be used on a flat surface that does not block the ventalition.

    An insulator may just help the laptop fry itself more, a piece of laptop sized wood is probably more helpful, though not "cool" to be seen with.

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  5. IBM Did something like this years ago... by doppleganger871 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember the old IBM Thinkpad 760 series? They had a silicon pad on the bottom of it (wasn't on the original models, added sometime in their production run) to keep you from burning yourself. It was their "fix" for a computer that had no fan, and got way too hot. And those were only P120-P166 models.

  6. Get your physics straight. by CobwoyNeal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    57 degrees reduction in surface temperature doesn't just depend on the pad, it assumes a a laptop with certain thermal characteristics and surface area and power use. It could be any laptop, since they don't tell you which, so they might as well be pulling the number out of their ass. The thermal resistivity of a planar surface should just be quoted in watts per degree celcius per square centimeter, ok? This is ridiculous. It reminds me of the History channel talking about "pounds of energy" in a wave. Get the units straight or you might as well be pulling a number out of your ass.

  7. Better Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This isn't really necessary. All you're trying to do is reduce the heat transfer between the laptop and your thighs; what this does is insulate the system. The primary mode of heat transfer in this situation is conduction, so what we need is a way to eliminate that and still maintain a semblance of cooling.

    This system eliminates conduction by insulation, which also removes convection. A better model would establish a standoff distance between the thighs and the surface of the laptop. This removes conduction, and still allows convection to cool the surface of the laptop. Something like a honeycomb would do this.

  8. I love it by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Dozens of comments along the lines of "Duh, you'll cook your laptop if you don't let the heat out!" Every single time a new product is presented on Slashdot, we get to hear from the peanut gallery of armchair designers trumpeting the single most obvious potential design trap that product could encounter.

    Rangefinders for cars? Durr, what about oncoming traffic--it'd make your car flip out! Robotic vaccuum cleaner? Hah hah, what about my stairs? Hard-drive based music player? What if you drop it? Wouldn't it a-splode? Drinking straw? What if you accidentally put it up your nose instead of in your mouth? Huh? What then? Chaos!

    Reading the FA aside, does it ever occur to people that a company in the business of making heat-dissipating pads specifically designed to work with laptops just might take the internal temperature of the laptop into consideration? Do people really think that products are designed by an army of Mr. Magoo clones?

    Yeah, design mistakes happen, but seriously--if you're able to think of a potential problem after ten seconds' worth of thought, do you really think it likely that the design team wouldn't have considered the exact same thing?

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    1. Re:I love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. Companies are in the business of selling their product. They don't really care if your laptop dies or not - so long as you don't blame them for it. And what average computer-ignorant person would? They're most likely going to blame the laptop manufacturer for a dead harddrive or whatnot - even if they have been running their laptop at high temperatures.

      So yeah, you bet the company has considered the effect of overheating laptops - and they probably don't care. When Dell starts shipping a 'laptop heat insulator' for use with Dell laptops - then I'll believe they worked out all the relevant problems that a consumer should care about. Still your faith in commercial designers is worrisome. There are examples of poor design everywhere, and if you haven't noticed it in things you've bought and used, then you haven't been very observant.

    2. Re:I love it by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No. Companies are in the business of selling their product. They don't really care if your laptop dies or not - so long as you don't blame them for it. And what average computer-ignorant person would? They're most likely going to blame the laptop manufacturer for a dead harddrive or whatnot - even if they have been running their laptop at high temperatures.

      ...so do you assume that your pen is going to fail and leak ink all over your letter, seeing as Bic doesn't really car about whether or not their pen works--so long as you don't blame them?

      You think that the folks who made the alternator in your car just kinda half-assed it, in the hopes that you don't know enough about cars alternators to be able to trace the problem to their product?

      I'm all for a healthy level of skepticism when it comes to evaluating new products, but to assume that any given company is looking to sell you snake oil is silly. Most companies do care about making a quality product. They also care about making money--the two aren't mutually excusive.

      What's more, while many users wouldn't have a clue as to how to go about testing LapLogic's claims, it's freakin' trivial for a moderately tech-saavy laptop user to monitor the temperature of their laptop and compare the results between tabletop, bare lap, and laptop pad. We're not talkin' mass spectrometer analysis of the secret sauce, here.

      Still your faith in commercial designers is worrisome. There are examples of poor design everywhere, and if you haven't noticed it in things you've bought and used, then you haven't been very observant.

      There's a difference between being a blind fool and being willing to give a company the benefit of the doubt. When you buy a shower curtain, do you worry about whether or not it will disintegrate when exposed to water? When you buy coffee, do you wonder if the manufacturer mixed rabbit shit into the beans to increase volume? Do you have proof that dismisses these concerns?

      What reason do I have to believe that this company has released a product that doesn't do the two things it explicitly states it can do, especially when the two claims are so easily tested? Should I really just assume that small businesses are out to fuck me over for my dollar, until proven otherwise?

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  9. Re:Effect on laptops by Rufus88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whether or not that was the best design for dissipating heat is a separate discussion for another day. The fact remains that the laptop *is* dissipating heat this way, and the designers of the pad *know* it, and they are knowingly circumventing it.

  10. Thats not what the website says... by Delta-9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The website states:

    "LapLogic specializes in Laptop Desks & LapPads that provide up to 57F protection from laptop heat without increasing CPU temperatures. In fact, with our Traveler LapPads,
    your CPU will actually run cooler! "


    If the heat is "bounced back" into the laptop, how is the CPU running cooler?

  11. Re:Where does the heat GO? by lechuck80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if the heat goes back into your laptop, then your laptop will get hotter, and will kick the bucket sooner... basic laws of reliability. delta T = bad

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  12. Re:Heat is why I clock down my Inspiron by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's why Dell doesn't sell "laptops" any more, they sell "notebooks".

  13. Re:Why not reclaim heat energy? by Jens_UK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it was going to take five minutes instead of four, you'd probably want a 25% (or more) increase in battery life - 20% would die before you were done.

  14. Hot laptops by acranum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of crowing about how cool it is that someone decided to market a heat insulator for all of the "Hot Laptop bottoms", why don't we put our efforts and commentary into how to make them cooler... I am a Mac user my self and have noticed how the PB that I have gets uncomfortably hot after several hours of use. I also Have a Dell Inspiron that gets hotter yet... Yes the heat insulator works but it seems a band-aid to the real problem which is the engineering behind getting rid of excess heat. It seems that most developers of portables have no problem dissapating heat by allowing it to exit via baseplates in the laptops... ie your lap gets boiled. So really the end result is that we humans are the recipients of the excess waste heat and we are the actual end dissapators.... So the engineers in their final analysis must conclude that human flesh will be able to absorb the residual waste heat that is generated and have no problem letting the heat dissapate this way. I want a laptop that is able to be handled for its expected battery-life without being subject to a very hot plastic or metal surface. Just my 2cents

  15. Re:Where does the heat GO? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet the people that complain the most are probably the ones that have "desknotes".

    A straight Pentium 4 (or K8 for that matter) with no dynamic clock throttling simply isn't meant for mobile use. I think mobile chips are also fabbed using different processes to drain less current, and use some fancy tweaks as well.

    Not that they have battery power worth shit anyways, they often barely last an hour, forget three or four.