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Nanotube Non-Volatile Memory Entering Production

hovermike writes "Nantero and LSI Logic are expected to announce that nanotube non-volatile memory will be going into production, at least as far as the NY Times is concerned. Nanotubes have been discussed previously, Nanotube Applications..., and Buckminsterfullerene..., but I'm certainly surprised something like this has moved into production this quickly. Could this be the ultimate 'bubble' memory?" Reader hovermike writes "The press release can be found at the Nantero website. I'm looking forward to only needing one memory card to store all the 5Mbit pictures that I'll take for the rest of my life."

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  1. Press release, sans PDF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have never understood why companies would release text information exclusively in PDF format. So here you go... and since I learned my lesson about Karma Whoring, I'll post AC. No troll text, I promise.

    For Immediate Release Contact: Suzanne Gibbons-Neff
    SGN Public Relations & Marketing
    (203) 656-0833/ Suzanne@nantero.com
    Nantero, Inc. Announces Carbon Nanotube Technology Development Project with LSI Logic
    Woburn, MA - June 7, 2004. Nantero, Inc. announced today that it is teaming with LSI Logic Corporation (NYSE: LSI) to develop semiconductor process technology, expediting the effective utilization of carbon nanotubes in CMOS fabrication.
    The joint development project is taking place at LSI Logics Gresham (Oregon) manufacturing campus, which is capable of process R&D down to the 65nm node.
    The high electrical conductivity, thermal conductivity, and tensile strength of carbon nanotubes make them highly attractive for electronic device applications. These properties enable performance breakthroughs both through incorporation into existing semiconductor products and in the development of next generation products.
    "LSI Logic has all of the necessary ingredients to accelerate the development of carbon nanotubes in CMOS: a strong focus on innovation, a highly qualified engineering team, and a world-class fab, said Greg Schmergel, Nanteros co-founder and CEO. "All of these factors and more makes LSI Logic an ideal partner for us in developing Nanteros carbon nanotube technology for high-volume manufacturing.
    Nanteros proprietary processes for the use of carbon nanotubes are CMOS-compatible and are presently under development at LSI Logics Gresham semiconductor manufacturing campus. The LSI Logic facility was recognized by Semiconductor International magazine as Fab of the Year for 2002.
    "LSI Logic has and continues to focus its process technology R&D efforts to solving technology challenges, such as the issues associated with low-k dielectrics, said Richard Schinella, LSI Logic vice president of Wafer Process R&D. "Teaming with Nantero, LSI Logic is applying its silicon integration skills to realizing the potential of carbon nanotubes in advanced CMOS manufacturing.
    About Nantero
    Nantero is a nanotechnology company using carbon nanotubes for the development of next-generation semiconductor devices. Nantero itself is developing NRAM -a high-density nonvolatile random access storage device. The potential applications for the nonvolatile storage device Nantero is developing are extensive and include the ability to enable instant-on computers and to replace the memory in devices such as cell phones, MP3 players, digital
    cameras, and PDAs, as well as applications in the networking arena. NRAM can be manufactured for both standalone and embedded memory applications. Nantero is also working with licensees on the development of additional applications of Nanteros core nanotube-based technology.
    About LSI Logic
    LSI Logic Corporation (NYSE: LSI) is a leading designer and manufacturer of communications, consumer and storage semiconductors for applications that access, interconnect and store data, voice and video. In addition, the company supplies storage network solutions for the enterprise. LSI Logic is headquartered at 1621 Barber Lane, Milpitas, CA 95035. http://www.lsilogic.com

    1. Re:Press release, sans PDF by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because they don't like handicapped people, especially the blind.. I recently attended a seminar on web access for the disabled, and it was an eye opener. There is no good tools (screenreaders) to read PDF's, and adobe has had their project on the back burner for the last few years.. I have now dropped most of the PDF use at our company.

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    2. Re:Press release, sans PDF by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can't you just convert it with pdf2ps, then ps2ascii, and read it from that?

      PDF is an open standard with a published spec... it can't be that hard to make a screenreader for it.

    3. Re:Press release, sans PDF by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Er... PNG, GIF and JPEG all have published specs... I have yet to see a screen reader that will look at one and say "It's a picture of a bird". :-P

      All smartass-ness aside though, this is a big problem with PDF's, is that alot of them don't use text inside, but rather scanned images of text. This makes PDF accessibility a huge issue.

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    4. Re:Press release, sans PDF by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's PDFs and there's PDFs. It's a convenient document format for many uses. It's great for distributing documents that have been generated on a word processor or typesetting program, and for documents like these, there should be no problem converting it to plain-text. PDFs have also been used a lot for scanned text. However, this is a totally different case than the former. There's an existing document on paper, and someone wants to digitize it so it can be distributed on the web. They could turn it into a big pile of GIFs, PNGs, or JPGs, or they could make it into one PDF. Do you have a way to screen-read scanned images? If not, then you have absolutely nothing to complain about, because in this case PDF is only serving as a convenient encapsulation method (it provides thumbnails, bookmarks, table of contents, etc.). So if those people didn't use PDF, they'd have to provide a zipfile of PNGs or something, which would totally suck.

      Maybe you should try OCR software. What are you going to complain about next? That digital cameras and digital photos aren't accessible to blind people?

    5. Re:Press release, sans PDF by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm not blind, by my co-workers little boy is. I've spent some time with him, trying to get a 10 year old blind boy on the internet. That is difficult enough.. The real bitch is that many government offices, local, state, and fed, only produce PDF's for things. That is their standard. There are ways to convert PDF's, mostly involving linux, an OS that I love, but Linux is definately not set up for the blind. Now, try to imagine researching laws on discrimination of the handicapped, when all the government docs are published in PDF, which is not handicapped accessible.

      My main point I'm trying to make is that we have other tools to do it, why choose PDF? Take a few minutes, and do some reading on accessability standards for the web, and then look at some sites that follow them. For example, OSU I'm not a student there, but I do do some research on their site occasionally. They have been pushing accessability on everything pretty hard at that college. That web page is so much easier for everyone to navigate now, becuase it isn't designed with just marketing in mind, but with everyone. It loads faster, less crap, more consistant, and every image has an ALT tag description. by making it accessable, it works easier for everyone. And the hard part for them was just changing the mindsets of people to consider these things.

      PDF files are great in some applications, such as the manual for my motorcycle. But a press release as a PDF? Why not just post a 5MB flash as your homepage, so that it looks the way you want it to? You could, but its waaaay overkill..

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    6. Re:Press release, sans PDF by Doubting+Thomas · · Score: 2

      Have you ever used google to research anything technical? Did you ever notice how often the google "show as text" function totally butchers the file?

      Point is, not everything that ends life as non-text in a PDF or PS file started life as a picture. Your other respondent seems to have some in-depth knowledge of what precisely this is, all I know is what I see, and what I hear from the accessibility folks I've known or chatted with over the years. As someone else said, PDF files may as well be a Flash animation for all the attention some people pay to making their information generally available. Telling them to suck it up and get some OCR software is beyond rude, but then I'm starting to gather that about you.

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  2. NYT article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Nantero, a start-up developing memory chips using nanotechnology, and LSI Logic, a leading maker of specialty microchips, are expected to announce today that they have transferred Nantero's technology to a standard semiconductor production line.

    Nantero is creating NRAM, a high-density nonvolatile random access memory chip, which it hopes will replace existing forms of memory. Its technology, using cylindrical molecules of carbon known as nanotubes, will be used on a production line in LSI's semiconductor factory in Gresham, Ore.

    Carbon nanotubes are among the new forms of carbon, known as fullerenes, whose discovery helped ignite interest in manipulation of materials at the molecular level, the field known as nanotechnology. Fullerenes consist of carbon atoms arranged in patterns resembling the nodes of the geodesic domes designed by Buckminster Fuller. Nanotubes, which researchers first created in 1991, consist of single- or multiwalled cylinders that can be less than 10 nanometers wide. A nanometer is one-billionth of a meter.

    The transition from laboratory to production line took more than nine months, the companies said, adding that considerable work remains to improve the chips.

    "But it's following the same type of road map as any other semiconductor product," said Norman L. Armour, vice president and general manager of the LSI factory in Gresham. Mr. Armour said that processors embedded with carbon nanotube memories in place of static random access memory, or SRAM, could be supplied commercially from the factory's pilot line next year if no problems developed.

    If so, analysts said, such devices could emerge as one of the first products to exploit something other than the extraordinary strength of carbon nanotubes.

    The nanotubes are up to 100 times as strong as steel and one-sixth its weight, qualities that have quickly led to their use in products like tennis rackets and automotive plastics, where they are mixed with other materials to improve their performance.

    Researchers have also shown that the nanotubes have extraordinary electrical and magnetic characteristics. Recent reports, for example, have highlighted their ability to be quickly altered from metal-like conductors into semiconductors and back by applying magnetic fields.

    Such novel qualities have helped make them a powerful symbol of nanotechnology's potential, but except as strengtheners nanotubes have proved difficult to bring to market. The challenges have included preventing clumping and the tendency of the simplest manufacturing approaches to produce mixes of single-walled and multiwalled tubes with varying characteristics.

    Nantero's design applies charges to groups of single-walled nanotubes suspended over an electrode. Applying opposite charges to the tubes and the electrode causes the tubes to bend down, creating a junction that represents a 1. Applying like charges forces them apart into the 0 state. As with all digital memory, NRAM stores data as a pattern of 1's and 0's.

    Carbon nanotube memories could sharply improve the performance of cellphones, laptop computers and other electronic devices. Like today's flash and SRAM memories, carbon nanotube designs can maintain data when power is turned off, an advantage over dynamic random access memory, or DRAM, memory chips, which must constantly be refreshed. But it can operate considerably faster and on less power than flash memory, and is much cheaper and more compact than SRAM.

    Analysts caution that Nantero's carbon nanotubes face plenty of competition. Memories that hold their charge are crucial to improving the performance and design flexibility of a wide range of electronic products, and thus have become the most profitable and fastest-growing segment of the $35 billion memory market, according to Radu Andrei, a Web-Feet Research analyst based in Dallas. That is attracting heavy investment in technologies that could replace flash and SRAM.

    "I count around 30 technology variations trying to get a piece of that pie," Mr. Andrei said. Among them are I.B.M., Intel, Motorola and numerous start-ups. Flash memory is now so inexpensive, he added, that innovators will have a hard time displacing it from all but the most demanding applications even if they surpass it technically.

  3. Only for so long by Luguber123 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I'm looking forward to only needing one memory card to store all the 5Mbit pictures that I'll take for the rest of my life"

    With that said, I'm sure they are taken out of production again :)

  4. Great by EduardoFonseca · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Great stuff. But, is it reliable? This technology is becoming mainstream too quickly.

    Does anyone have more data on this?

    1. Re:Great by errxn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if it's not, you can always say that your memory "went down the nanotubes."

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    2. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      that's a pipe dream

    3. Re:Great by Eviscero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what kind of storage vs space as well as bandwidth can we expect out of memory developed with this techology?

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    4. Re:Great by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm thrilled that it's becoming mainstream so quickly. Because even if the company utterly fails to deliver a product that costs a reasonable amount, the simple fact of orders/production of bulk nanotubes will help drive CNT prices down and encourage a lot more CNT research, especially on the critical issues of size, purity, and consistancy of nanotube forms.

      Space elevators, ultracheap rockets, massive bridges, giant skyscrapers.... here we come! (ok, perhaps not that fast... but it's a good start. ;) ).

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  5. Quickly? by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was doing expirements of buckminsterfullerenes back in 1996-97, it shouldn't be suprising that a superior material made it to market in 8-10 years after the start of expiremental evaluation. I doubt it took that long to develop nylon, rayon, or any of the other wonder fibers into products for sale.

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    1. Re:Quickly? by laigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, but there is a great deal of difference between developing the material and developing the application. Just making the nanotubes doens't allow you to make a memory card out of them. I would be rather interested in how much research has been put into memory-holding, write/read times, memory density, interference and the like before deciding to switch over to NRAM.

    2. Re:Quickly? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was doing expirements of buckminsterfullerenes back in 1996-97

      really?! well way back in the stone age, I was experimenting with rocks! and we were glad to have them too!

    3. Re:Quickly? by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think nylon was developed during WWII, wasn't it? That must have been a big boost to rapid innovation cycles. All we need is another big war, to be fought entirely with computers... hmm...

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    4. Re:Quickly? by king-manic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lets invade Canada. We can use the French Canadians for medical experiments, and We'll appropriate enough maple syrup to pay for the invasion. They have WMD (celine dion) and are more then willing to use it.

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    5. Re:Quickly? by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who knows? May be you might even win this time.

  6. Another new memory by swordboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    STM recently announced that they are entering the production phase for PRAM, or phase-change memory. This is important because PRAM is nonvolatile and has the potential to be written and read much faster than flash. There will come a day when DRAM will go away and we'll be left with extremely fast and simple NVRAM for main memory and possibly even archival storage. It'd be really great if there was only ONE memory in a system. At this point, most high-performance CPUs are mostly cache memory anyway.

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    1. Re:Another new memory by ron_ivi · · Score: 4, Funny
      "There will come a day when DRAM will go away and we'll be left with extremely fast and simple NVRAM for main memory and possibly even archival storage."

      Then not even rebooting will "fix" a MS-Windows computer, and everyone'll go Linux. :)

    2. Re:Another new memory by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yes, but will you have to zap your PRAM?

      Ugh...

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    3. Re:Another new memory by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "There will come a day when DRAM will go away and we'll be left with extremely fast and simple NVRAM for main memory and possibly even archival storage"

      This is obviously not the right way if you are worried about passwords being found years later on hard disks, as was mentioned in previous slashdot article.

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    4. Re:Another new memory by APDent · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's maybe nothing worse than a bad pun except explaining a bad pun. In for a penny, in for a pound:

      In Britain, "pram" is another word for stroller, pushchair, baby carriage, etc. It's short for "perambulator".

      A "double-pram" is one of those side-by-side (or front-back) strollers suitable for pushing two children. In this case it's "turbo-charged" (presumably for today's go-faster children).

    5. Re:Another new memory by shfted! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Blanking data on an extremely fast medium is, well, extremely fast. It would be quite feasible to zero out all discarded information where it is too demandind on slow hard disks today.

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  7. I wouldn't mind this in my PDA by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like it would be lower power than flash memory- and if they can get the manufacturing process cheaper, this could mean finally having say a 40 GB memory card on my PDA- copy my entire desktop to the PDA for mobile applications.

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  8. Toxicology by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm looking forward to only needing one memory card to store all the 5Mbit pictures that I'll take for the rest of my life.

    It seems that a 1GB nano-tube based memory card should last the rest of your life. Of course, a silicon-based memory card to last the rest of your life would have to be much larger.

    1. Re:Toxicology by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It seems that a 1GB nano-tube based memory card should last the rest of your life

      And 640K of memory should be enough for anybody ;)

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    2. Re:Toxicology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You (or the people who modded you Informative) may want to actually read what he linked -- the implication is that your life may be cut down to where Moore's Law is no longer relevant.

    3. Re:Toxicology by iabervon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Warning: do not inhale memory card.

  9. Life's worth of pictures by sjonke · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "I'm looking forward to only needing one memory card to store all the 5Mbit pictures that I'll take for the rest of my life."

    And to losing them all in one fell swoop?

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    1. Re:Life's worth of pictures by Analogy+Man · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This would not necessarily preclude a backup/disaster recovery strategy.

      Is having data spread across 1,000,000 floppy disks...or 1,000 CD's more secure from loss or corruption?

      I should think not.

      If a backup can be generated in a short period of time, have persistance (not degrade over time tape media) and be re-writable ... a compact media like this would be fantastic.

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  10. More details please by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The articles seemed weak on details, does anyone know what sizes of memory these will be available in? Are we talking megs of memory (like current flash cards), gigs of memory (to replace hard drives), or teras of memory (for the future)?

    1. Re:More details please by burrows · · Score: 3, Informative

      This article says 10^12 bits per cm^2. That would bring us to something like 116 GB per cm^2, unless my math is wrong, which it probably is, because that was off the top of my head. Anyway, I think it's more dense than what you estimated. As for hard drives, I don't know, but I have a drive with an areal density in the 34 GB / inch^2 realm, so if they're anywhere near that, this is a huge improvement.

  11. Toxicity? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last I heard certain nanotubes were toxic to the environment. Does anyone know whether these suffer from the same issue?

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    1. Re:Toxicity? by kilocomp · · Score: 2, Funny

      The radiation from the wireless card or CRT you have should neturalize it.

    2. Re:Toxicity? by th3axe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From what I remember, the concern about nanotubes (as well as other nano-materials) is that we don't have a great deal of experience with them yet. Motor oil has been around for quite some time and isn't a truly "new" material, while nanotubes are. The unique properties of the material brings with it both benefits and possible problems. Given our history with cool, new stuff, it would be wise to see what possible issues might arise.

      I'm no Luddite, but I don't think it's a bad idea to work through the lifecycle of this type of material. If it decays, how does it decay? What happens to it or its components when it does decay? Can we just just toss it into landfills or does it count as hazardous waste? Lots of questions, maybe they've been answered, but I don't recall there being a great deal of study on it.

      That said though, it's a cool thing that we're gonna see this stuff in real life.

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    3. Re:Toxicity? by MenTaLguY · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fact is, I haven't seen a single test with animals or smaller organisms exposed to nano-tech.

      hellooooooooo?

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    4. Re:Toxicity? by Goldenhawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Last *I* heard, eating the silicon chips from inside a flash disk was ALSO harmful to my health. Just like drinking the various chemicals used to produce them.

      Okay, okay, it's a bit more complicated than that, but I have a hard time getting worried about nanotech just because it's nanotech. After all, the nanotech will be embedded within carrier material, just like all the current chips. Just as with most modern technology, the manufacturing process isn't necessarily safe for bystanders, and requires careful attention. Same for the disposal process.

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  12. Re:w t f by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I'm looking forward to only needing one memory card to store all the 5Mbit pictures that I'll take for the rest of my life."
    whoa get a life!
    How about trying to use it to feed children?


    Yeah, 'cause a typical CF card contains 100% of the US RDA of High-Impact Plastic! Not to mention 62.5% of the RDA for Silicon, plus important trace elements like copper wiring and gold plating!

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  13. Re:w t f by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about trying to use it to feed children?

    I seem to remember an earlier story about fish dying when they were fed nanotubes- so I doubt you'd want to feed it to children.

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  14. Re:w t f by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I doubt that a child would eat a memory card, even if they were really hungry.

  15. No way by nizo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm looking forward to only needing one memory card to store all the 5Mbit pictures that I'll take for the rest of my life.

    I don't empty my 8MB card to the computer often enough already, so if the card never got full the family pictures wouldn't get seen by anyone else until I died and someone else inherited my camera.

  16. How long before... by farzadb82 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hardware vendors use this technolog to bring us a truely "instant on" feature to our laptops and PCs ?

  17. I speculate by Tsiangkun · · Score: 3, Funny

    that we will be promised larger, faster, cheaper, longer lastings products, but do to low levels of adoption they will be more expensive then the existing products at release. Slowly over time, as more people switch to the new products, the price will rise even higher with demand, and our formerly cheaper products will rise in price too, because they are now in limited supply.

    It's just a speculation.

  18. Re:what about it's environmental effects by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And just how exactly is that supposed to happen with a chip encased in plastic? Are you going to put your memory chips in a blender? I guarantee you- if you powder any silicon chip to a size where it could become airborne and inhaled, you're likely to cause siliconitis at the very least (this used to happen to coal miners all the time, horrible disease that can take 60-80 years to do enough damage to your lungs to kill you).

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  19. Re:w t f by kclittle · · Score: 5, Funny
    I doubt that a child would eat a memory card, even if they were really hungry.

    You've obviously never been the parent of a 18 month old toddler.

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  20. 5Mbit or 5Mpixel? by tji · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm looking forward to only needing one memory card to store all the 5Mbit pictures that I'll take for the rest of my life

    5Mbit pictures? 5Mb = 640KB, so you can already store 6,250 pictures on a 4GB microdrive. Not a lifetime's amount, but quite a long time at my rate of picture taking.

    I suspect he meant 5 Mpixel, which would be much bigger than 640KB each.

  21. Vaporware? Not on LSI Logic site by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There's no mention of this on the LSI Logic site.

    Nantero isn't publicly held, though, so this isn't a stock hype.

  22. Re:Wait till Steve Jobs gets ahold of these by taped2thedesk · · Score: 2, Funny
    iPod Nanos for Everyone!

    Maybe they'll look something like Will Ferrell's tiny cell phone in the SNL rich clothing store sketch ?

  23. Re:what about it's environmental effects by Carl+T · · Score: 5, Insightful
    however, what if it has properties similar to asbestos?

    Cheap, well-insulating, durable, and rather bad for construction workers and others who shred and inhale lots of it? I think how the hell is anyone gonna inhale it?! pretty much sums it up. Disposing of these little nanotubes should be easy enough if you can burn them, I would think. That leaves the question of how to disassemble the chips in an orderly fashion, but I figure that's pretty much the same problem you're faced with when recycling electronics today. Not that people don't just dump their old machines in the trash, but anyway.

    I'd worry a lot more about the flame retardants and other goo that's still being used in enormous amounts in computers. There's a half-year old computer in my office, and ever since it got here I've had to open the window every morning, or the fumes from it make me cough. Not sure what exactly the computer is giving off, but whatever it is I don't think it's particularly good for me.

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  24. If only ... by torpor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    only needing one ... more people thought like this, about lots of things.

    but alas, what will more likely happen is 'consumericans' and other dis-world orders will 'drive the demand' up for super hi-res video, and we'll all be having HDTV Home Video dumps to sony-marketed 'nano-bricks' ... and you'll still be needing piles and piles of 'media' around, for those moments.

    things will just get 'prettier' and 'waaay bigger', the functions will stay the same ... and so will the markets.

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  25. some more information by vmircea · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out some of these sites:

    Nano Dot Article
    Tech Review
    A neat simulation
    WordIQ

    These all do a good deal to help explain / show you some interesting things. Give them a look-see.

  26. Are memory futures down? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'll believe it when the memory futures market nose-dives. If I go to Micro Center, and regular RAM chip prices are down 20% or more across the board, then nanotube memory is DEFINITELY coming to market like, soon.

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  27. Publicly held...sort of! by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Nantero itself is not publicly held, nevertheless Harris and Harris has significant holdings in Nantero, and they are traded as TINY

    So while not a pure play on a single stock, it can still suffer from some of the volatility generated in the market environment.

  28. I think the article is misleading by SteroidMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It says nothing about being ready to mass-produce the technology. In fact, the way I read the article, the partnership is so that they can try to create any sort of working process that is even remotely cost-effective and works reliably. This is a long way from commercial viability. Without this partnership, Nantero has no ability to fab this kind of technology at any volume on their own. It sounds as if they are using the joint partership to go hunting for funding. I don't even see a concrete product announcement

  29. Space is never enough by galo_2099 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have space to take all your 5 Megapixels photos for the rest of your life, you'll start taking 50 Megapixels photos. If you still have more space, you'll start making videos.
    Just bring the space, and we'll use it!

  30. Re:Because by jmulvey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because the "new, new economy" business model is to make it difficult for customers to use your product, and then sue the pants off anyone that tries to help them.

    Accordingly, I expect Slashdot to receive a subpoena shortly to determine who the above poster is -- Because he has now violated the DMCA by "bypassing an encyption technology" !

    Yippee! A new revenue stream for Nantero !!!

  31. Re:what about it's environmental effects by Pendersempai · · Score: 3, Interesting
    how about if it is left in the environment, or becomes airborne and is inhaled, or is accidentally ingested??

    How about current computer components? There's plenty of toxic stuff already in your computer -- the trick, as it has always been, will be: don't leave it in the environment, don't snort it, don't eat it.

    If you can handle that with current computers, you're probably good to go for nanotubular memory.

  32. Has no one ever seen a Tech Press Release? by Tristan7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article says develop semiconductor process technology. This is MARKETING people. Nothing has happened, no technology has even passed between the two companies. It's a deal between the companies to both share the expenses of brining this to market. But the reason it's short on details is becaues there aren't any.

  33. OOPS! by ca1v1n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ummm... I wish my tennis racket was made of nanotubes. I could sell it and never work again. Take the article with a huge grain of salt, because they've confused nanotubes with graphite fiber.