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The Future of SysAdmins' Positions

prostoalex writes "With automated upgrade tools and self-updating software, will sysadmins be in such high demand that they enjoy today? Lisa Valentine from NewsFactor provides the answer - and it's a definitive yes. Wireless systems and GPS devices are the new area where sysadmins are expected to have some expertise, although lately companies have been upping their demands for more hands-on experience. This opinion seems to corroborate US Department of Labor forecast on system administrator and computer support specialist employment."

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  1. Thriving Profession by mfh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where sysadmins will always thrive is in the ability to connect people who simply don't have time for all the details involved. It's not The Oldest Profession, but it's going to be the longest running profession someday, methinks.

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    1. Re:Thriving Profession by cuzality · · Score: 5, Funny
      ...it's going to be the longest running profession someday, methinks...
      The prostitutes aren't going to be happy to hear that...
    2. Re:Thriving Profession by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Funny

      "It's not The Oldest Profession..."

      Long hours, weekends/holidays, on-call, bad pay... I sure feel like a corporate whore.

    3. Re:Thriving Profession by Wun+Hung+Lo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There will always be positions for competent sysadmins. All the paper MCSE's running around out there might have a problem though. I don't have any respect for a (so-called) sysadmin who pees his pants if you show him a command line.

    4. Re:Thriving Profession by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd mod you up had I points, but I don't so I'll try and post an informative response instead.

      The 'oldest profession' is actually the shaman, or witch-doctor; prostitutes didn't really come around we stopped wandering around so much, and started staying in one place long enough for commerce and property to become tangible things. The witch doctor, like many sysadmins[1], was often insane, but he helped people to make sense of the world around them, by relating things they couldn't understand to things they could -- he was their interface to the unknown.

      Witch-doctors explained disease, thunder, life, death, although they never got the hang of taxes. They were often wrong, not having the tools of science, but their explanations were at least sometimes useful, oftentimes imparted sage advise, and almost always provided comfort to those who sought him for counsel.

      As the world has progressed, so has the witch-doctor; in time, they became 'natural philosophers' and scientists. Today, we call them engineers, doctors, teachers, chemists, and programmers; they are the people that help all of the other people manipulate and comprehend the world.

      They're also called 'sysadmins'; and I'm happy to consider myself a member. *shakes whale-bone and begins chanting*

      [1] Yes, I am one.

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    5. Re:Thriving Profession by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Funny

      I took an AP European History class in my senior year of High School. By the end of the year, we had concluded that the whole of European history could be summed up in two words:

      1. Men
      2. Farming

      This is not entirely innacurate either. It would seem that the catalyst for every major social, economic, or political change revolved around men wanting sex, men being chauvinists, food, or any combination of those three things.

      Unfortunately for the geeks, our profession has not embraced these driving mechanisms, or I'd get a hell of a lot more sex and I wouldn't be eaten these $1.00 frozen dinners from Swanson every night...

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    6. Re:Thriving Profession by Syntax+Heir · · Score: 5, Funny
      Yeah that "whore" thing with all that fancy sex stuff sounds great on the surface but then you have to balance out all the late nights they spend studying to keep up with their ever changing industry.

      Then of course there are the long weekends where they have to work round the clock to fix an emergency!

      Don't forget that everyone is going to expect them to fix problems at home too so their job is extened to the power of N where N = number of employees.

      ...

      HEY! ...

      What a minute! Oooohh.... FWORD!!!!

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    7. Re:Thriving Profession by Syntax+Heir · · Score: 5, Interesting
      sysadmins end up with the "keys to the kingdom"

      Agreed

      they're basically janitorial staff

      That's just trolling and entirely unfair.

      I gave the engineering department local admin rights on their PCs before they even asked for it, all I insited on was a 10 minute workstation lockout policy since they love to wander away from their desks.

      However here is a story detailing the problem you mentioned:

      Role Fragmentation

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    8. Re:Thriving Profession by StormyMonday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No.

      They may *bill* that much, but that's not what they take home.

      You might be surprised at what your company bills *your* time at.

      Also, there's a big difference between "having lots of sex" and "getting fucked a lot." Whores and sysadmins know a lot about the latter.

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    9. Re:Thriving Profession by muckdog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Althought I have absolutely no proof i think its very likely Oga the cave woman trade a little love'in for some skins and meat way before they ever figured out how to farm.

  2. Yeah, but... by Mz6 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Did anyone get the feeling the author still knows absolutely nothing about systems administrators after writing this?

    ala... this paragraph...:
    "Many large organizations silo the systems-administration skill set, explains Phillips, and systems administrators at these companies tend to remain focused on very specific systems-administration skills and job responsibilities."

    On a serious note though, I do have a question. The article mentioned that after a few years most college graduates have already achieved sysadmin status, but after that, where do you go from there? The article mentions that the salary tops out at the "mid- to upper-$60,000 range.", and that doesn't sound like a whole lot to me (especially this day in age). Of course there is always becoming a section head, manager, or director... but that often times requires a more downplayed "hand-on" experience as others below you would be doing most of the work. For someone that wants to remain on the technical side of things rather than the business side, where do you go?

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    1. Re:Yeah, but... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nowhere.

      The notion that you career as a programmer or technical specialist is going to plateau before you hit your 30's is scary, but often true.

      You can make more money in sales, consulting or management. But there are tradeoffs. If you want to be a high-dollar consultant or salesman, the travel can really kill a marriage. If you become a management dork, you essentially abandon your technical career.

      The "where do you go?" question is something facing all middle-class people. Over the last 40 years, the purchasing power of the average person has eroded sharply.

      My grandfather raised a family of six on one blue-collar income, and managed to own a nice home in NYC, a summer house upstate, and always had two cars. Good luck doing that today.

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  3. Experience by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wireless systems and GPS devices are the new area where sysadmins are expected to have some expertise, although lately companies have been upping their demands for more hands-on experience.

    Which is fine for currently employed sysadmins, or more specifically currently employed sysadmins that have the rare opportunity to do research and put their hands on new technologies in addition to their day-to-day tasks. However, the majority of us (my experience, no empirical evidence) is that most of us are hired to do a specific task, or hired to handle a certain area. Then 90% of our time is eating up just keeping the walls from falling down, making it difficult to get up to speed on new technologies.

    How are we supposed to get this high-demand experience if we're either busy doing our jobs or still looking (or both)? They don't exactly teach sysadmin in school, you know.

  4. Definitely yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is no system that can provide the level of personally tailored abuse that I offer users on our network. Most users are masochists -- they don't just want to be told they're doing something stupid, they want their intelligence to be abuse for it. Honestly. At least that's always been my philosophy...

  5. If for no other reason - the corporate scapegoat by 59Bassman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Somebody's got to be to blame. There seem to be folks in every organization who only exist in case something goes wrong in order to take the beating. If you didn't have a sysadmin, who do you scream at if the e-mail server goes down? Who do you accuse of being inefficient when backups hang up a system for an hour or so? Technology continues to get easier to use, but corporations still need someone with responsibility for that technology.

  6. interesting, and right for the wrong reasons by conJunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's an interesting article, and it's dead-on about predections, but i think for the wrong reasons

    sure, a lot of what we used to do is automated (as the article points out, software installs, etc.), but a lot of what we do is purely psychological

    i doubt there is PHB anywhere that is so braindead to think that his human sys admin slave (who can receive a page at 3 am) can be replaced by a machine

    nobody is so daft as to imagine that our work is anything but intellectual... they watch as at work, at front of the machine, and they know that what we are doing is no different that auto mechanics or detectiving or archaelogy... analytic problem solving employing a specific skill-set, and there's no machine that can do that, and upper management (thank god) knows it

    until they invent a computer that can drive down to the co-lo in the wee hours and apply critical thought to packet-sniffer, humans will always be sys admins, and the article doesn't touch this part of it

  7. Market forces and the labor pool... by GPLDAN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've read all the 3+ posts here. So far, nobody has mentioned a really important fact.

    because the skillsets in demand are always shifting, and because HR people really want to check off boxes in their application interviews, you get obsolete very fast. As you move into your 30s and 40s and beyond, your skill set is NOT like a lawyer's or doctor's. Their experiences over time make them stronger and stronger, and more valuable to society. You become LESS so. While a lawyer needs to learn about new laws and changes to the system, the rate of change doesn't invalidate what they already know.

    Our company just laid off 10 people who were 50-ish COBOL programmers and IBM sysadmins. These people were very good at what they did, but they were no longer needed. They now start sliding DOWN the chain, taking jobs in their fields for LESS money. No matter how smart you think you are, there are college grads who will fight you for your job and take half your pay.

    A previous poster compared sysadmins to auto mechanics. That was a good analogy, but he didn't follow it through. What happened to the mechanic industry in the 80s and 90s? They stagnated or dropped, as existing mechanics found it harder and harder to adapt to all the new technology, the demographic shift in average mechanic age fell.

    I don't mean to be doom and gloom here, but for those who won't go into management or strike out and become busines owners, the future is this: you MUST stay on top of all emerging technologies and keep certifying and run along the treadmill, or you WILL get replaced by somebody younger. Whatever guru status you think you enjoy, and however many times your manager calls you his "goto guy", that status changes OVERNIGHT.

    You should look at the sysadmin field like playing MLB in your 20s and early 30s. It's great to make it there, and it helps you make money you wouldn't have otherwise made - but eventually you will be replaced by somebody better and faster and cheaper. You need a plan to do something outside the field after 40.

    Quick aside, I looked at some job ads in the last few weeks. I think HR people haven't figured out that some of these ads are stupid, and the economy is picking up and they can't cherry pick quite so much. I saw an ad that the company wanted you to have 10+ of systems integration experience, consulting experience, have technical certifications like RHCE and know shell, programming in C++, Java and be a certified disaster recovery specialist - AND - you know, in your spare time, ALSO be a CPA. That's right, a CPA!

    Now maybe I just don't know enough smart people, but so far I have yet to meet a CPA that is also a programmer, much less a highly experienced sysadmin. I don't even know any that can SPELL UNIX. I would REALLY love to meet the applicant that gets that job.