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BT Plans Move To IP Telephony, Starting Next Year
pure_equanimity writes "The BBC have published an article saying that BT are planning to migrate from a PSTN to an IP network, a move to cost 3bn. They say that broadband will become ubiquitous, with customers having the ability to plug any device in to get access. They also say that current cheap broadband products will more than likely not be viable in five years time. They plan to start rolling out in 2006, and cover the vast majority of customers by 2009."
This was the last thing I expected from BT after their faffing about with getting DSL sorted out a few years back. This should be interesting...
Too bad I'm not a BT customer. I wonder what will become of all of the mini-telcos which currently hang off BT's network.
"They also say that current cheap broadband products will more than likely not be viable in five years time. They plan to start rolling out in 2006, and cover the vast majority of customers by 2009."
So they are gonna hook customers up right before the prices go up? I thought prices would go down as time marches on? What about all that "dark fiber"?
I'll admit I had to look this one up, if ya woulda said POTS, I would of known right off the bat.
Public Switched Telephone Network btw.
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Good Luck with that BT. There are tons of people out there with old rotary phones still, utilizing pulse dialing. They're not going to get some old lady to change her pots phone for some fancy IP phone.
do people in britain (and other countries) suffer from the RIM syndrome? ie being on a remote integrated multiplexor? or even being pairgained? If its common over there, does that mean BT will be ugprading all their exchanges?
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Does this mean we can look forward to delay effects normally associated with international calls when making local calls?
Im having trouble remembering peoples seven digit numbers. What happens when your telephone number is 153.127.879.946. What happens if it's IPv6!! P.S. This isn't meant to be funny. I'm dead serious.
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You can bet their charging scheme will change to p/minute to p/MB of data. That way they can cash in on all the "free" telephony.
"cheap broadband products will more than likely not be viable in five years time"
:-)
BT don't do any cheap broadband products, only expensive overpriced ones
Does anyone have an idea how all this phone traffic is going to affect the load on the entire internet? I assume it's UDP but stil... I have the feeling the backbone routers are busy enough already with all the other traffic
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From what I understand, currently phones work when there's a power outage because the current copper line network always has a mild voltage in it.. Just wondering if that will change if the phones are connected via a fibre network..
When Skype come out with their telephone kit that plugs straight into the new BT network will BT cut off people trying to use another handset? They might, but they wont get away with it.
This is going to be the biggest revolution in telephony the UK has ever seen. Whilst a Skype handset might not connect you to phones that are not on their network, if enough people use it, it could supplant the BT network and destroy their business.
I wonder how they are going to charge for the service, obviously line rental, which will be the minimum they will be able to collect from each user, but taking into consideration the ease with which people will be able to switch providers, their churn rate will be very high indeed.
Basically, they are going to spend 3 billion to put themselvs out of business. Great!
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You remember surely.... and I would like to see the telegram - only in designated sub post offices on a Wednesday afternoon. Does VOIP mean I'll have to convey my lusty conversations via Deepak in Delhi with that lovely poor quality distortion that I'm at a loss to describe. "Dear, he is saying that he is - weooooeeoosd - with you"
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Those without any experience of BT, especially as business customers should know that 2026 will be the more likely date. It is still a glacially slow behemoth that acts with sniffy surprise when expected permit competition in the marketplace.
Ok...
/. news, ask myself who is BT (What does the abbreviation mean?)? ... typing in BT ... first six months. Plus, order online and receive a 20 bill credit. ...
Me: Reading
Me: Clicking on story link...they only use BT..damnit...
Me: Clicking on press relase...no mention what BT means
Me: Clicking on company logo to get to their homepage - no mention what BT means
Me: Fireing up google
Google:
BT.com Homepage
Find out more Find out more about BT Mobile Plan, At home for
www.bt.com/ - 29k - 8 Jun 2004 - Cached - Similar pages - Stock quotes: BTY
Ok...I give up. What does BT mean? British Telecom or something?
*sigh*
This might help:
The public switched telephone network (PSTN) is the concatenation of the world's public circuit-switched telephone networks, in much the same way that the Internet is the concatenation of the world's public IP-based packet-switched networks. Originally a network of fixed-line analog telephone systems, the PSTN is now almost entirely digital, and now includes mobile as well as fixed telephones.
It fills me with dread to hear this news. I'm living in an area where BT have still not yet managed to install a DSL network. To hear that they've got more plans when they haven't even finished their old broadband roll out after god knows how many years seems plain stupid. It makes me angry.
This is a fairy tale dreamt up for investors, and you can expect within 2 years an announcement that it's all much harder than expected.
The UK phone network is not a simple beast, and not like any other phone network in the world. I suspect they're putting down the plan and hoping that they can start angling for some government "investment" to replace the absolute crud we have in place at the moment.
I would advise caution however, when BT announce anything at all. Remember this is the company who announced "universal" broadband 15 years ago and sat on the technology when it became available until they were effectively bullied into it.
they should patent their method of implementation....
and then slashdot would have a field day critcising it
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The technology for this just isn't ready. The internet wasn't designed for having all these low-latency desiring services tacked onto it, and not everyone has a 50ms ping. What worries me about this is that the brits don't seem to have a choice in the matter, and are being shepherded into this under the guise of "new technology, newer is better".
The sad truth is the individual pieces work ok, but put the ISP, the routers, the voip boxes together, and you've got one hell of a mess.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
The Internet Protocol was originally designed for non realtime applications. In the last few decades it has been shoehorned into various realtime applications , IP telephony being one, online games being another. And it sort of works. But not very well without a HELL of a lot of high end hardware to help it along. Some things are best left to propriatary protocols , they do one thing and they do it well. Speech is one of these things that would be better served with one of these (and in fact a lot are used). I simply don't understand this headlong rush into using IP for everything , its a general purpose protocol for sure but this means its a jack of all trades master of none. Isn't it time that companies who should know what they are doing ignore all the hype and bandwagons with fairly flat tyres from the startups desperate to flog VOIP to stay afloat and use their expertese to design something for the 21st century , not use an overworked protocol from the 1970s?
Feeding the trolls... I know...
But really - it's "Acquisition"!
What I think would be interesting is if people who are familiar with the technology would explain how this changeover could be done in such a way as to have (a) the most negative impact on consumers and (b) the most unfairly anti-competitive impact on the telecoms industry.
Then in six years we can look back at this thread and see if that's how BT did it.
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It really is a nice idea, but the concept of BT managing to do anything in a timely (or even successful) manner is entirely incomprehensable.
It took them ten years to get to the current stage of broadband, and that hardly involved much work. This won't be completed until around 2099.
the majority of BT users rent their phones for an annual cost that is far greater than buying one.. check out the House of Lords report. So it should be easy for BT to send them a new one, because they already own the rented one.
It's worth pointing out that this may not be a done deal.
In the UK the telecoms industry has until recently been regulated by an organisation called Oftel. They have recently been replaced by a much broader regulator called Ofcom (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/).
Their job is to try and ensure that the communications industry as a whole remains competitive. Which generally involves keeping BT on a short leash.
This is the first major announcement from BT since Ofcom came into existence, so they may want attempt to use this as an opportunity to stamp their authority on BT. Though if Oftel is anything to go by they'll probably be BT's lapdogs..
They also say that current cheap broadband products will more than likely not be viable in five years time
BT have cheap broadband products? Yikes, they've kept that well hidden!
One of these would be extremely good for the UK and very forward thinking, the other would be investing money in a technology already straining to bursting point...
And on another note, how cool will it be to have links like <a href="phonecall:phone.mydomain.com">Phone Me!</a> on websites - how long until we have that I wonder?
Given that BT developed DSL technology, yet were among the last to implement it. And if you compare the league of DSLed countries, the UKL lags behind lots of countries.
.. dont even try to look at SDSL costs).
BT have a poor record of finishing anything they start.
They also have a record of pricing products to produce maximum profits. (witness ADSL costs, ISDN costs
I expect that they will be using MPLS technology. This would allow them to tag voice traffic and improve its QoS.
This will, of course, only work on networks that they run, so expect poor QoS if you have to make calls that cross networks, such as international calls.
The article briefly mentions converging land line and mobile services. Tie that in with recent articles about bluephone and BT OpenZone and things start to look very interesting for telephony in the uk!
I work for BT and have known about this for a few weeks now, seems like a move in the right direction
;)
1000 people will have it tested in the south of England in 2005 I belive
Now they just have to start offering good internet and phone products to win customers back
BT (British Telecom) used to be a public subsiduary of the British post office (I believe). However, despite the fact it is its own company, it is *heavily* regulated by Ofcom, the telecom regulator. Basicly, about 90% of UK broadband providers provide ADSL (Asymectrical DSL - meaning faster Dl that Ul) from BTs network. This wasn't the case but Ofcom forced BT to allow other networks to run on the network at low cost, and also forced BT to allow very cheap rates for commercial isps to offer unlimited 56k dialup. Whatever network BT develop will be available to all comers, no matter which company, and this is assured by both UK monopoly law and Ofcom. However, I think the benefits for the UK will be huge, and everyone should benefit from that, not just BT. Think about it, a fibre based network running over the entire country, and if you RTFA you will see they are talking about linking in wit the 3rd generation mobile phone network (already IP based obviously), meaning you could have a single number for mobile, internet and "standard" phone. I think this has been in BT's pipeline for a long time, and I personally think it will be a good thing, provided Ofcom keep up to their end of the bargain. Oh, one thing though. Will it be encrypted, or will it be "tap friendly"?
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...they changed the trading name from British Telecom to 'BT' in 1991 and the corporate name to BT Group plc in 2000. You will find it hard to actually even find a reference to 'British Telecom' on bt.com.
2006/2009 seems quite late to me.
Here in Switzerland the biggest cable-TV and also one of the biggest internet-providers, Cablecom announced the immediate start of IP-Telephony just a week ago. Available for most people here.
Prices are quite good as well, since you don't have to pay anything for phone calls after 7pm and even before it's cheaper than what other phone companies offer (Swisscom e.g. is more than 50% more expensive for the average user)
Nobody expects the Spanish Acquisition.
I assume the acronym means "what the fuck are you bleating on about".
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I think a lot of people including the press are missing the point here. The main thing here is not VoIP or fibre it is that BT are going to be migrating all of their services onto ONE IP network off of there existing PSTN, ATM and IP networks.
Obviously while this will eventually have implications for end users (BT are talking of a broadband dialtone) the main benefits will be a big cost saving for BT and the ability to quickly deploy new services onto the network.
Quoth the poster: "They also say that current cheap broadband products will more than likely not be viable in five years time."
This means:
"Mr Beal hinted, however, that the cheap broadband telephony deals available at the moment may not continue." (from bbc article).
NOT that broadband itself is going to get more expensive...
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Uh, you're post is complete and utter rubbish. STD (area) codes have always been specific to an area, dependent on where you're calling and never where you're calling from.
The reason why people would give out the name of the area that they lived in is that, back in the days when the system was set up when overlaying the alphabet onto the digits 0-9 had more significance in the UK, part of the name would correspond to the area code. In fact, the area codes themselves derived from the place names.
This area coding was taken so seriously that in some instances people wrote to the Post Office (because that's who ran the telephone system back then) to demand that their area codes were changed so that the numbers corresponded to more affluent places. For example, people living in the suburb of Anytown would rather have an area code refering to the posher neighbouring suburb of Sometown, so they'd petition for that area code to apply to them too. In many instances, because people in Anytown were reluctant to have a phone installed and answer the phone "Anytown 1212" (or whatever their number was) this held up uptake of telephony services to the point where the Post Office acquiesced and gave people the Sometown area code (or a derivation of it) that they wanted.
I learnt all this almost 15 years ago from a BT engineer of 20 years experience. Ask any older BT engineer and they'll confirm this for you.
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Right now, phones pay for broadband.
Once the public gets seriously into VOIP, which they will, phones are going byebye. So broadband will have to pay for itself.
Only sensible, really.
Bittorrent going into telephony?
I want to participate..
Where's the link to the seed?
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[I posted this to the other VoIP thread, but it is a useful tool]
You can simulate a VoIP call and get the MOS voice quality score. So if you want to see how your Wireless setup fares, visit testyourvoip.com.
Even if you don't care about VoIP, it is a useful test of the latency and bandwidth of your connection. VoIP is pretty sensitive to late packets so this tool highlights connectivity problems.
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although anything with a picture of President Blair on it is probably a serious threat now I think about it...
Would that allude to the lack of Tony Blairs photo and signature on the Labour EU campaign leaflets... not that he is a liability or anything (mind with the government 'spin' they'd still come up with an excuse for that one).
Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
And why would BitTorrent want to...oh.
BT will spend around 3bn on the project - more than the annual spend on Britain's main roads
By about 2.9bn judging from our motorways
Nothing costs nothing
yeah, but does it run Linux? ;)
Apparently, no matter how successful the fibre trials are, only new builds or big business will get fibre from the exchange. No good for 99% of the population....
But a 3 Billion pound scheme per year for 3/4 years.. making a total of about 10 billion (or 18/19 billion USD)
... and their stupid encoding for € (and slashcode for not TALKING and UNDERSTANDING UTF-8 properly, the way things should be)
damn, damn
When I read the headline, I thought it was this BT. Can you say music production nerd? This isn't the first time this has happened to me with the BT's. Especially on this site.
BT seem to be gearing up for something, or reacting to something. Its strange for them to have such a flurry of activity as they have had of late, normally they are quite the epitome of corporate dawdling on products and issues.
Seems that they are wanting to seriously get themselves some press time, and in my opinion are using some clever marketing to do so.
Look at the ammount of new services / announcements / products they are kicking out the door at the moment listed on El Reg.
In my opinion, this is nothing short of marketing genius. Anyone who cries out against the obvious censorship issues risks being labelled. It pushes this kind of activity under ground. so who does this really protect? the only real benefit i see from this is accidental visiting of sites, from bad links, spam or whatever. It certainly wont stop any actual people wishing to view child pornography from getting to it.
BT have made an unprecedented movement to block this content, thereby championing themselves with many different groups of society (churches, parents, police, etc etc) - but the same fanfare that has delighted these groups has warned any of the sickos that actually want to view this content that they cant use BT services to get their kicks. OK then, so they go elsewhere. No one would continue to use a service they know can not suit their needs, as underground or sick as those needs may be, they will simply move to another provider that doesnt block in this way.
Marketing genius - Champion yourselves with lots of the country, by actually bringing little to no benefit to them or anyone else.
Then sharp on the heels of this announcement, tell the people who you have just delighted that you are going to be saving them a lot of money soon by changing the infrastructure of your network etc and routing your calls using VOIP. Thinking of leaving BT? They seem to be keen to impress and promise lots, all within a week. something strange is going on, i just cant figure out what, heh.
Telecom Italia already carries 80% of its national backbone telephone calls on an IP based network infrastructure, and something like 40% of their international calls.
This is the back-end of the service, multiplexing together thousands of calls over high speed (2.5 and 10Gb/second) network links. The network also uses class of service and many other configuration setups to ensure a consistent quality of service for the traffic flow. You can be sure everything will be massively resilient. In addition this traffic won't traverse the public Internet at all, but will be on a private network (though gatewayed to the Internet for connectivity to other services). This will allow BT to guarantee they wont be hit by Internet related issues like congestion, black-hole routing and so on. Dont compare this service to public Internet VoIP, its NOTHING like it.
Personally I think this is a fantastic move, and will really help the UK take advantage of up and coming technologies over the next decade.
PS there is already an Internet standard to map IP addresses to public phone numbers, and there is also work on integrating VoIP into the DNS infrastructure!
Gateways on the networks are no big deal, but I have been very impressed by how TCP/IP has become a generic way of networking. Even to Mars I gather.
However, few of us have relatives on Mars, yet.
Do you think this change in back end hardware is going to be actually just the internet ?
Dont Be so secular,
Telcos can pull voip off be cause they control all the boxes, wires and protocols in the system. Mrs smith will use her old telephone into an A/D converter at the exchange, quite a lot like it is now!
Do you all honestly think that the BT network still has clacker board relays to connect your call?
I don't think they will get it done smoothly simply because they are a big clunky organisation, not because it cant be done.
Besides all that, someone has to buy those BFG Cisco routers dont they!