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SCO Announces Product Line Updates

ArbiterOne writes "Techworld has the story: SCO has unveiled their upcoming product plans, including a new release of UnixWare and a version for point-of-sale devices. Oddly enough, the article states that 'SCO's continuing Unix intellectual property lawsuits against IBM, Novell and others is apparently putting customers off.' I wonder how that could have happened?"

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  1. SCO Has Products? by Ridgelift · · Score: 5, Funny

    The SCO Group has produced a new-product road map and an aggressive marketing plan to try and recharge its flagging core Unix business.

    SCO actually produces a product?

    1. Re:SCO Has Products? by svallarian · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hear they're the number one producer of bullshit in Utah!

      Steven V>

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    2. Re:SCO Has Products? by SIGALRM · · Score: 4, Funny

      SCO actually produces a product?

      In a sense, SCO itself is a product...

      ... of AT&T, Novell, Linux, IBM, etc...

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    3. Re:SCO Has Products? by somethinghollow · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, they are selling the general public a load of shite / lies / FUD about Linux. I guess if you box it up, you could call it "UnixWare" and watch no one buy it.

    4. Re:SCO Has Products? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      It only makes sense. Darl has pointed out that he's a cattleman. And if there's one thing a cattleman knows about, it is the byproducts of cattle.

    5. Re:SCO Has Products? by Pfhreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, Orin Hatch is the number one producer of bullshit in Utah.

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    6. Re:SCO Has Products? by JDevers · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's true...I would imagine the market potential of the shit might actually be better than Unixware....

    7. Re:SCO Has Products? by Tenareth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Easy there... you would be hard pressed to find anyone besides Mormons that considers Mormons to be "Christians".

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  2. So by FictionPimp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean they actually have developers? Or did they just up the product version number?

    1. Re:So by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't you think they're a little underqualified to be changing version numbers? That'd break all sorts of dependencies. It's much easier to keep the same version number and just put it in a different box.

    2. Re:So by ajrs · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they just upgraded the GPL software they ship with their old stuf

  3. From the book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...of How to Run a Successful Business for Dummies...

    Rule #1: Don't sue your own customers!

    I mean it's that simple

    1. Re:From the book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...of How to Run a Successful Business for Dummies...
      Rule #1: Don't sue your own customers!


      Bought any music lately?

    2. Re:From the book... by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bought any music lately?

      No. I think that was the original poster's point.

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  4. SCO's new product... by jadenyk · · Score: 5, Funny

    A new kind of lawsuit.

  5. Time to close the shop by SIGALRM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We're looking at this long term, and we see value that we can provide to our customers now and in the future," said Marc Modersitzki, a SCO spokesman. "Not only do we have a road map, but we're delivering on the road map."

    It's obvious SCO's "roadmap" is less product-oriented than legal. But you have to wonder, why they would invest any resources in an aggressive marketing plan when their PR quotient is so incredibly low--much like their recent financials.

    They are not the "vibrant, leading UNIX vendor to regain market share lost to Windows"... that would be like the US sending troops to Vietnam to "regain Hanoi". War over. Done deal. Time to close shop, SCO.

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    1. Re:Time to close the shop by dinodrac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps their real concern is that if the courts see them without any real products, then they are even less likely to take them seriously. As it stands, their entire buisness model revolves around half-baked lawsuits - not a good impression to present to the court.

      Regardless, as SIGALRM stated above, its a moot point, without a continued inflow of support from the anti-Linux camps, SCO is dead.

  6. Conincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. SCO announces new products.
    2. Linus announces new kernel updates.

    So that FedEx package with CD-ROMs from "anonymous insider" finally arrived at OSDL?

  7. article by Murf_E · · Score: 4, Informative

    SCO Announces Broad Array of New Unix Products, Channel Support and Training Programs

    LINDON, Utah, Jun 15, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") (Nasdaq: SCOX), the owner of the UNIX(R) operating system and a leading provider of UNIX-based solutions, today announced a broad array of new and enhanced UNIX products as well as new channel support and training programs. The upcoming product releases mark the largest across-the-board group of product enhancements from SCO in several years. New or enhanced UNIX products from SCO and their expected availability dates include:

    * UnixWare 7.1.4 (now shipping)

    * Smallfoot embedded UNIX (now shipping)

    * SCOoffice Server 4.1 (July 2004)

    * Vintela Authentication from SCO Release 2.6 (August 2004)

    * Legend -- the code name for the next release of OpenServer
    (1st Quarter 2005)

    * Reseller training and support programs

    UnixWare 7.1.4 -- A major upgrade to the UnixWare product line, 7.1.4 includes many enhancements that continue to keep UnixWare as the most reliable, stable, scalable and affordable operating system in its class. UnixWare 7.1.4 adds support to enable UnixWare to run thousands of Java and Web Services applications.

    SCOoffice Server 4.1 -- SCOoffice Server 4.1 is a reliable, full-featured Internet e-mail and collaboration solution for small and medium businesses. SCOoffice Server stops e-mail viruses, filters out junk e-mail, and secures e-mail access. Providing more than just e-mail services, SCOoffice Server also delivers a real-time collaboration solution for scheduling group meetings, sharing contact lists and folders, and managing group task lists. SCOoffice Server integrates with Microsoft(R) Outlook(R) and industry-standard e-mail readers and Web browsers.

    Smallfoot -- SCO's formal entry into the embedded UNIX market, Smallfoot consists of a toolkit that is used to create the Smallfoot embedded UNIX operating system. The toolkit is a rapid development tool that allows organizations to create a small software footprint operating system (i.e., Smallfoot embedded UNIX) customized for a variety of applications including Point of Sale, gaming, hand-held and a variety of other devices.

    Vintela Authentication from SCO Release 2.6 -- Vintela Authentication from SCO (VAS) is the company's offering for managing a single user identity across a heterogeneous UNIX and Windows(R) environment. VAS uses Kerberos encryption to protect sensitive user credentials, providing network and user security. Release 2.6 will include additional MMC snap-ins, cross-forest authentication, and much more.

    Legend -- code-name for the next release of OpenServer -- due to ship in the 1st quarter of 2005. This development effort is the first step for SCO in supporting a single UNIX development path for both OpenServer and UnixWare. It enables us to continue to support the 32-bit Intel architecture while adding support for 64-bit advanced computing. The benefit to our customers is enhanced support for 1,000s of applications written for UNIX, Java, and the ability to connect them with Web Services. Legend continues our commitment to value, security and reliability.

    "Customers value the proven reliability and security of SCO UnixWare and SCO OpenServer running on pervasive Intel and AMD hardware," said Jeff Hunsaker, Senior Vice President and General Manager, SCO's UNIX division. "Through today's announcements, SCO is demonstrating our long-term commitment to UNIX customers by providing significant upgrades to our flagship UNIX products. In addition, SCO is providing solutions that enhance our UNIX offerings with updates to SCOoffice Server and Vintela Authentication."

    Along with new product offerings, SCO today announced several new programs for its strong UNIX reseller organization. These training and marketing programs will provide SCO resellers with the expertise and support to ensure thei

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    1. Re:article by asr_man · · Score: 5, Funny

      * UnixUnderwear 7.1.4 (now slipping)

      * Bigfoot embedded (in mouth)

      * SCOorifice Server (pounding away on clueless customers)

      * Urban Legend (code name for the next release of OpenServer)
  8. Wondering... by JoeShmoe950 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Who actually uses SCO Unixware. I mean, usually any business that wants unix will go with Linux, and in some cases AIX, etc. But who actually uses SCO Unixware, besides SCO (oops, forgot that they were running Linux...)

  9. Mega hurt? by stecoop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Funny. When I went to read this article. The Add at the top of the page shows a shirless (maybe naked) guy setting behind a desk with the flashing caption Megahertz. I believe its an omen of what its like to work at SCO.

  10. Aren't they just saying "We screwed up"? by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I mean, it's easy to bash someone. Read the critique from the article:
    The continuing efforts to produce a new-product road map less than a year after the last one is an indication that the marketplace is confused by the company and its strategy, said Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC. "They're seeing that people don't know who they are, and if they don't know who they are, they're not buying from them," he said. The company continues to do a lackluster job in creating brand awareness, and it hasn't been able to create a pull to its products for potential customers, he said. "This is the same conversation that has recurred since the former Santa Cruz Operation [the company's original name] and Caldera [after the merger in 2000] and now SCO."
    Isn't is just fair to say that the old strategy wasn't working (as evidenced by the 20% drop in revenue), so they're trying something new? That's what they say -- they're coming out with new products to try and be more competitive...
    UnixWare 7.1.4 and the new Smallfoot embedded Unix products are shipping now, while SCOoffice Server 4.1 will ship next month and Vintela Authentication From SCO Release 2.6 will be available in August.
  11. Yeah really.... by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I interview earlier this year for a position with a large national autoparts chain, while talking about their systems they mentioned that a large amount of their legacy stuff was dialup to UnixWare servers. I asked them what their feelings were re: the longterm viability of SCO and what their contingency plans were if SCO were to fold. They basically said that they had been thinking of moving to Linux but had made no actual moves towards doing so and that they felt that even if SCO folded that someone else would buy the IP and continue the license. I responded that I doubted whoever bought the IP would continue to offer UnixWare but would rather buy it to be able to controll their own Unix product entirely and would drop UnixWare. They didn't seem too pleased with that assesment. Maybe that's why I didn't get the job but I would rather not have been hired on and then asked to clean up the mess in the future!

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    1. Re:Yeah really.... by Zathrus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I responded that I doubted whoever bought the IP would continue to offer UnixWare but would rather buy it to be able to controll their own Unix product entirely and would drop UnixWare. They didn't seem too pleased with that assesment.

      Probably because your assesment showed a lack of knowledge about the size of UnixWare's deployment.

      UnixWare (and OpenServer) licensing represents >$40M of revenue. You think anyone who buys it is just going to kiss that goodbye? Hell no. Anyone with a clue will buy it and then promptly offer a transition program over a course of 2-5 years for existing customers.

      Yeah, in a decade UnixWare may only be running on a few systems without support (and perhaps a lot of systems still with support -- if all you have to do is employ a half dozen employees for tech support and patches, and you have customer willing to pay you $1M/year for that, hey... a 50%+ profit margin isn't bad), but it's not like they're going to vanish overnight. Nor will product support. There will be a transitional phase, just like there is for any product where the vendor didn't simply go Chapter 7/11 and nobody bought the remains.

      Realistically we know that there is no value to the SCO source. UnixWare and OpenServer are both archaic by modern standards, not to mention buggy. So why would anyone buy the products except to get the existing user base? And if you get the user base, what freaking good does it do you to then tell them to bend over and enjoy the ride?

  12. SCO makes software? by CharAznable · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all this fuss, it's easy to forget that SCO was orginally a software company.
    Their warnings are right on the money, though. Who the hell is going to want to do business with them now? It's probably not far fetched to assume that there aren't many new SCO installations anywhere, and that the installed base is only grudgingly still doing business with them.

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  13. Money back guarantee by beef3k · · Score: 5, Funny

    Missing footnote:

    "Due to our current ongoing lawsuits (which, admittedly, we're not so sure was a good idea in the first place anymore) SCO can only offer a limited money back guarantee of 3 days from the intial purchase date at this time.

    See you in hell,
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  14. One definitely true assertion... by grunt107 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in the article is that SCO is interested in being an IP company and not a products company. That would be somewhat OK is they had clear rights to any IP, but only as a static company. No one will buy new products from a company that is focused on what they DID and not what they can DO. Would you buy a 'new' vehicle that was actually a remade 1978 Chevy Monza with the same 1970s technology?

  15. UnixWare by Hornsby · · Score: 5, Informative

    To me, UnixWare is like a horrible car accident. I don't want to look because I know it's going to be bad, but the perverted side of me just can't resist. Anyway, here's an OSNews review of a recent release of UnixWare (just in case you have a kinky side).

    UnixWare 7.1.3 Review

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  16. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux kernel 2.6.7 just came out so... :-)

  17. Re:SCO has a product? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Having looked at their products, they are very impressive.

    You need to look harder. They've stagnated for years now, this is like microsoft having been selling Windows 95 for the last 10 years, and only now coming out with a preview of Windows 98.

    I'm glad they can impress you. Truly. And if you thought that was good, look out your window and see the dog with the fluffy tail... that's gotta make your YEAR.

  18. Service & Support by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if SCO is offering Service & Support in quarterly increments? I don't know if a company wants to pay for five years of Service & Support that might terminate by next year :)

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  19. Thanks slashdot! by 222 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That headline caused me to shoot coffee out of my nose, you insensitive clods!

    1. Re:Thanks slashdot! by The+Wookie · · Score: 4, Funny

      That headline caused me to shoot coffee out of my nose, you insensitive clods!

      The same thing happened to me. The scary thing is, I don't drink coffee.

  20. Re:SCO has a product? by finkployd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This might just be troll feeding, but what the heck.

    The truth is that the /. community has maligned this legitimate, above the boards company just for trying to get restitution for code that they really did buy.

    (1) I believe the jury is still out on their claims. I don't know what inside information you might have but nearly everyone covering this case (not just /.) seems to think SCO has nothing.

    (2) Above the boards? With all the dirty legal tricks, stalling, and blatantly obvious stock scams they have been pulling I don't know if "above the boards" accurately describes them.

    So they don't want to give their hard earned IP away.

    So was it hard earned or did they buy it? (or, like nearly every other pundit, IP lawyer, company, etc believes, do they not actually have a claim on what they are suing over)

    Sorry, but stuff that IBM developed INDEPENDENTLY of SCO is not SCO's hard earned property, and it looks very obviously like the case is going to be decided that way.

    Look at the companies that have tried to make profit off linix.

    Yeah, IBM is really hurting. So is Cisco/Linksys. Not to mention all the companies who use Linux to solve a problem. So what if it is hard to sell, nobody owns it, nobody has to sell it. And I don't know where you get that Redhat is floundering, they seem to be doing just fine. Operating Systems are becoming a commodity. Where it is written that a company has to be selling Linux for it to be successful? It seemed to grow just fine on it's own without corporate backing. Granted corporate backing has helped it quite a bit lately, but it is not like it was in danger of dying without it.

  21. Re:SCO has a product? by dmaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The truth is that the /. community has maligned this legitimate, above the boards company just for trying to get restitution for code that they really did buy.

    www.groklaw.net.

    Since the commentary there will be no more to your liking than the commentary here; just read the court filings. SCO has done everything possible to obfuscate and delay the case as long as possible. A legitimate company with a legitimate grievance would have worked with the kernel team to mitigate their harm. As it is, they're trying make the kernel devs their unpaid slaves by leveling accusations without details. In this way, they can claim ownership of what they allegedly own as well as what is undisputably the original work of the kernel developers. NO ONE is obligated to pay SCO for that work.

    Paying SCO $699 or whatever it is does not compensate the kernel devs...some of whom are employed by deep pocketed corps who will insist on their full GPL rights. Nope, SCO is going to have to publically identify with specificity what allegedly infringes so it can be removed from the kernel. It does not help that SCO also appears to be trying to appropriate the POSIX standards. The POSIX standards are NOT the property of SCO. SCO has no right to automatically expect tribute from anyone who implements them.

    They will also have to do something about their bizarre theories of what is a derivative work before they will get any sympathy whatsoever.

    Your "legitimate above board business" is trying to commit a much larger theft then the one they are accusing others of. Being a business does not give you the right to steal no matter how money you think it will make you.

  22. Re:Famous last words? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Mark my words, there will be a day that will come when you will all see many, many documents > that will directly contradict IBM's current public posturing.

    And that day isn't today because...?

    Chris Mattern

  23. SCO's new software releases: by humungusfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Baseless Accusations v1.01
    Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt v9.421 (previously acquired from Microsoft)
    Lack of Evidence v2.2

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  24. Samba by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wonder if Samba and nmap are included? Including Samba would be just arrogant after Samba made this statement. As far as nmap, SCO would be basically inviting a lawsuit after Fyodor said this:

    "SCO Corporation of Lindon, Utah (formerly Caldera) has lately taken to an extortion campaign of demanding license fees from Linux users for code that they themselves knowingly distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL. They have also refused to accept the GPL, claiming that some preposterous theory of theirs makes it invalid (and even unconstitutional)! Meanwhile they have distributed GPL-licensed Nmap in (at least) their "Supplemental Open Source CD". In response to these blatant violations, and in accordance with section 4 of the GPL, we hereby terminate SCO's rights to redistribute any versions of Nmap in any of their products, including (without limitation) OpenLinux, Skunkware, OpenServer, and UNIXWare. We have also stopped supporting the OpenServer and UNIXWare platforms."

    1. Re:Samba by dmaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There seem to be two schools of thought regarding acceptance and compliance with the GPL.

      One school says that public statements rejecting the GPL mean that one doesn't accept it in the legal sense. Making such a statement and then distributing GPL product is automatically violating the GPL. Fyodor seems to belong to this camp.

      The opinion on the matter is actions are the only thing that matter. One could publically diss the GPL as long as the actual obligations regarding the providing of the source and license are respected. This seems to be the Samba Team's position.

      I'll also point out that SCO has done more than publically disparage the GPL. They have asserted that the GPL is null and void several times in a court of law. That is much stronger mojo than mere press conference lip flapping. Fyodor may have a point.

      They may also have imposed conditions the GPL doesn't permit on code distributed from their FTP site. This screws them under either theory of GPL acceptance. IBM for one is hanging them for this in their counterclaims.

      Is anybody here an AL?

  25. Re:Those Bastards by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's funny, but how about trying the other way? Like linking SCO to something informative.

  26. UnixWare is great! by nule.org · · Score: 5, Funny

    7.1.4 now comes with 27% more lawsuit!

  27. Re:Any good Karma? by bstadil · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think the problem that SCO will have for many years

    Years? They will run out of cash in 4 - 7 quarters.

    7 quarters at current burn rate, 4 with accelerating expenses if the trails get underway.

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  28. SCO resellers disapearing quickly.. by jaclu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By coincidence I wisited their homepage yesterday, just to see who actually resells SCO nowadays (the list is impessivly short).

    (Im in the middle of moving a client away from a SCO solution)

    In USA, there where no resellers listed, just corporate HQ, and 2 branchoffices.

    In Germany and UK I belive it was 3, Sweden and Finland one, Africa one, middle-east one (Isreael)

    I didnt check all of them, but those I did check was not actually involved in SCO anymore, when I called them theyy got slightly embarresed to be connected to SCO, and told me that they recomended me to convert to Solaris or RedHat, depending on workload (wich they offered to help me with). They blamed SCO that they where still listed, they had terminated all connections some 4 month and 8 month agp

  29. Re:SCO has a product? by rkhalloran · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They bought some rights to code, it's doubtful (given the Novell suit) that they got the copyrights to it. The licenses they inherited from AT&T said any code added on remained the property of those developers; only if they carried in SysV code as part of it did it need to be protected.

    Nobody's asking them to give their code away, nobody wants it. They want SCO to stop claiming they own the independently-developed Linux code that IBM brought features to, the same as they brought JFS, NUMA, etc. to AIX from their other OS'.

    SCO's business is floundering, and they've stooped to nuisance suits against a deep-pocketed IBM claiming they own AIX/Dynix, thinking they'd be bought out, but instead have drawn the attention of the Pinstripe Nazgul onto themselves. The end result is likely to be a smoking crater in Lindon where once stood SCO. And the rest of us will bring marshmallows.

  30. Re:Famous last words? by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

    We um... have the documents here... we just have to convince the judge to let us read them out of... um... THIS HAT! You see, we put the documents and the runestones in the hat and then the letters glow and decipher to English, then we can read them to the court! Dum dum dum dum dum!

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