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SCO Announces Product Line Updates
ArbiterOne writes "Techworld has the story: SCO has unveiled their upcoming product plans, including a new release of UnixWare and a version for point-of-sale devices. Oddly enough, the article states that 'SCO's continuing Unix intellectual property lawsuits against IBM, Novell and others is apparently putting customers off.' I wonder how that could have happened?"
The SCO Group has produced a new-product road map and an aggressive marketing plan to try and recharge its flagging core Unix business.
SCO actually produces a product?
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Does this mean they actually have developers? Or did they just up the product version number?
Rule #1: Don't sue your own customers!
I mean it's that simple
A new kind of lawsuit.
"We're looking at this long term, and we see value that we can provide to our customers now and in the future," said Marc Modersitzki, a SCO spokesman. "Not only do we have a road map, but we're delivering on the road map."
It's obvious SCO's "roadmap" is less product-oriented than legal. But you have to wonder, why they would invest any resources in an aggressive marketing plan when their PR quotient is so incredibly low--much like their recent financials.
They are not the "vibrant, leading UNIX vendor to regain market share lost to Windows"... that would be like the US sending troops to Vietnam to "regain Hanoi". War over. Done deal. Time to close shop, SCO.
Sigs cause cancer.
Hey, it has worked for Direct TV and smart card programmers.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
1. SCO announces new products.
2. Linus announces new kernel updates.
So that FedEx package with CD-ROMs from "anonymous insider" finally arrived at OSDL?
SCO Announces Broad Array of New Unix Products, Channel Support and Training Programs
/PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") (Nasdaq: SCOX), the owner of the UNIX(R) operating system and a leading provider of UNIX-based solutions, today announced a broad array of new and enhanced UNIX products as well as new channel support and training programs. The upcoming product releases mark the largest across-the-board group of product enhancements from SCO in several years. New or enhanced UNIX products from SCO and their expected availability dates include:
LINDON, Utah, Jun 15, 2004
* UnixWare 7.1.4 (now shipping)
* Smallfoot embedded UNIX (now shipping)
* SCOoffice Server 4.1 (July 2004)
* Vintela Authentication from SCO Release 2.6 (August 2004)
* Legend -- the code name for the next release of OpenServer
(1st Quarter 2005)
* Reseller training and support programs
UnixWare 7.1.4 -- A major upgrade to the UnixWare product line, 7.1.4 includes many enhancements that continue to keep UnixWare as the most reliable, stable, scalable and affordable operating system in its class. UnixWare 7.1.4 adds support to enable UnixWare to run thousands of Java and Web Services applications.
SCOoffice Server 4.1 -- SCOoffice Server 4.1 is a reliable, full-featured Internet e-mail and collaboration solution for small and medium businesses. SCOoffice Server stops e-mail viruses, filters out junk e-mail, and secures e-mail access. Providing more than just e-mail services, SCOoffice Server also delivers a real-time collaboration solution for scheduling group meetings, sharing contact lists and folders, and managing group task lists. SCOoffice Server integrates with Microsoft(R) Outlook(R) and industry-standard e-mail readers and Web browsers.
Smallfoot -- SCO's formal entry into the embedded UNIX market, Smallfoot consists of a toolkit that is used to create the Smallfoot embedded UNIX operating system. The toolkit is a rapid development tool that allows organizations to create a small software footprint operating system (i.e., Smallfoot embedded UNIX) customized for a variety of applications including Point of Sale, gaming, hand-held and a variety of other devices.
Vintela Authentication from SCO Release 2.6 -- Vintela Authentication from SCO (VAS) is the company's offering for managing a single user identity across a heterogeneous UNIX and Windows(R) environment. VAS uses Kerberos encryption to protect sensitive user credentials, providing network and user security. Release 2.6 will include additional MMC snap-ins, cross-forest authentication, and much more.
Legend -- code-name for the next release of OpenServer -- due to ship in the 1st quarter of 2005. This development effort is the first step for SCO in supporting a single UNIX development path for both OpenServer and UnixWare. It enables us to continue to support the 32-bit Intel architecture while adding support for 64-bit advanced computing. The benefit to our customers is enhanced support for 1,000s of applications written for UNIX, Java, and the ability to connect them with Web Services. Legend continues our commitment to value, security and reliability.
"Customers value the proven reliability and security of SCO UnixWare and SCO OpenServer running on pervasive Intel and AMD hardware," said Jeff Hunsaker, Senior Vice President and General Manager, SCO's UNIX division. "Through today's announcements, SCO is demonstrating our long-term commitment to UNIX customers by providing significant upgrades to our flagship UNIX products. In addition, SCO is providing solutions that enhance our UNIX offerings with updates to SCOoffice Server and Vintela Authentication."
Along with new product offerings, SCO today announced several new programs for its strong UNIX reseller organization. These training and marketing programs will provide SCO resellers with the expertise and support to ensure thei
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Who actually uses SCO Unixware. I mean, usually any business that wants unix will go with Linux, and in some cases AIX, etc. But who actually uses SCO Unixware, besides SCO (oops, forgot that they were running Linux...)
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Funny. When I went to read this article. The Add at the top of the page shows a shirless (maybe naked) guy setting behind a desk with the flashing caption Megahertz. I believe its an omen of what its like to work at SCO.
I interview earlier this year for a position with a large national autoparts chain, while talking about their systems they mentioned that a large amount of their legacy stuff was dialup to UnixWare servers. I asked them what their feelings were re: the longterm viability of SCO and what their contingency plans were if SCO were to fold. They basically said that they had been thinking of moving to Linux but had made no actual moves towards doing so and that they felt that even if SCO folded that someone else would buy the IP and continue the license. I responded that I doubted whoever bought the IP would continue to offer UnixWare but would rather buy it to be able to controll their own Unix product entirely and would drop UnixWare. They didn't seem too pleased with that assesment. Maybe that's why I didn't get the job but I would rather not have been hired on and then asked to clean up the mess in the future!
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it's called "PUMP" ... the "DUMP" coming soon to a stocks market near you.
Won't somebody please think of the Karma!
With all this fuss, it's easy to forget that SCO was orginally a software company.
Their warnings are right on the money, though. Who the hell is going to want to do business with them now? It's probably not far fetched to assume that there aren't many new SCO installations anywhere, and that the installed base is only grudgingly still doing business with them.
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it just makes sense that point of sale devices use a p.o.s. operating system right ?
Missing footnote:
"Due to our current ongoing lawsuits (which, admittedly, we're not so sure was a good idea in the first place anymore) SCO can only offer a limited money back guarantee of 3 days from the intial purchase date at this time.
See you in hell,
--
Darl"
Next they'll probably buy ownership of the license for dosemu which means they practically own MS-DOS which means they own the IP for Windows 9x which has a similar GUI as Windows NT based versions.... so technically they own Windows. Maybe they'll sue Microsoft and win this time.
new DIY Baseless Litigation kits by SCO in the legal form section =)
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erm...No thanks. I'd rather poke my eyeballs out with rusty paperclips.
Why would anyone do business with SCO after their litigious behavior this past year?
I mean, come on.. anyone
I am sure their product resellers are -pissed- and have already been working to find other distribution contracts from companies such as Novell or RH. Honestly, I think that this is a simple stunt to try and bubble their stock a bit because of the reality of 0 value on the litigation business to shareholders.
I can't imagine that anyone of real talent would want to work for SCO at this point on the engineering side.
From a UNIX teacher at my college "SCO's main product right now is litigation"
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Is it conceivable that SCO is coming up with new product lines in case the judge says they do not have an IP case since they do not have any product that can use the IP.
Reading the release, it doesn't look like these announcements are major in any way, just run of the mill upgrades or versions that possibly have very few (if any) takers.
Not sure companies would want to do (new)business with such litigious companies.
in the article is that SCO is interested in being an IP company and not a products company. That would be somewhat OK is they had clear rights to any IP, but only as a static company. No one will buy new products from a company that is focused on what they DID and not what they can DO. Would you buy a 'new' vehicle that was actually a remade 1978 Chevy Monza with the same 1970s technology?
To me, UnixWare is like a horrible car accident. I don't want to look because I know it's going to be bad, but the perverted side of me just can't resist. Anyway, here's an OSNews review of a recent release of UnixWare (just in case you have a kinky side).
UnixWare 7.1.3 Review
A musician without the RIAA, is like a fish without a bicycle.
Oddly enough, the article states that 'SCO's continuing Unix intellectual property lawsuits against IBM, Novell and others is apparently putting customers off.'
Well, whaddya know? Actions do have consequences, after all!
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rediculous.
I just went to the SCO website to see what they were advertising, and I noticed something...
Any web designers want to comment on the "turning the picture into grayscale" rollovers?
"he drew his sword Ringil that glittered like ice... and he wounded Morgoth with seven wounds..."
Linux kernel 2.6.7 just came out so... :-)
Open Source software can not be made into a profitable business model.
IBM seems to be doing OK.
Anything worth doing is worth doing badly -- G.K. Chesterton
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Having looked at their products, they are very impressive.
You need to look harder. They've stagnated for years now, this is like microsoft having been selling Windows 95 for the last 10 years, and only now coming out with a preview of Windows 98.
I'm glad they can impress you. Truly. And if you thought that was good, look out your window and see the dog with the fluffy tail... that's gotta make your YEAR.
Linux is not their primary business is it?
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I wonder if SCO is offering Service & Support in quarterly increments? I don't know if a company wants to pay for five years of Service & Support that might terminate by next year :)
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That headline caused me to shoot coffee out of my nose, you insensitive clods!
Taken from the SCO Q2 Conference Call transcript on Groklaw, could these be Darl McBride's famous last words?
Mark my words, there will be a day that will come when you will all see many, many documents that will directly contradict IBM's current public posturing.
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This might just be troll feeding, but what the heck.
/. community has maligned this legitimate, above the boards company just for trying to get restitution for code that they really did buy.
/.) seems to think SCO has nothing.
The truth is that the
(1) I believe the jury is still out on their claims. I don't know what inside information you might have but nearly everyone covering this case (not just
(2) Above the boards? With all the dirty legal tricks, stalling, and blatantly obvious stock scams they have been pulling I don't know if "above the boards" accurately describes them.
So they don't want to give their hard earned IP away.
So was it hard earned or did they buy it? (or, like nearly every other pundit, IP lawyer, company, etc believes, do they not actually have a claim on what they are suing over)
Sorry, but stuff that IBM developed INDEPENDENTLY of SCO is not SCO's hard earned property, and it looks very obviously like the case is going to be decided that way.
Look at the companies that have tried to make profit off linix.
Yeah, IBM is really hurting. So is Cisco/Linksys. Not to mention all the companies who use Linux to solve a problem. So what if it is hard to sell, nobody owns it, nobody has to sell it. And I don't know where you get that Redhat is floundering, they seem to be doing just fine. Operating Systems are becoming a commodity. Where it is written that a company has to be selling Linux for it to be successful? It seemed to grow just fine on it's own without corporate backing. Granted corporate backing has helped it quite a bit lately, but it is not like it was in danger of dying without it.
Yeah and Im sure all the visitors of Slashdot will read the front page, and then frantically grab the phone to call their local vendor to order UnixWare.
Right.
Linux Lawsuit?
IBM Cease and Desist Investigation?
Redhat Repo?
Autozone Demolition Derby Arena?
Novell "You THOUGHT you owned UNIX" Naysaying?
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The truth is that the /. community has maligned this legitimate, above the boards company just for trying to get restitution for code that they really did buy.
www.groklaw.net.
Since the commentary there will be no more to your liking than the commentary here; just read the court filings. SCO has done everything possible to obfuscate and delay the case as long as possible. A legitimate company with a legitimate grievance would have worked with the kernel team to mitigate their harm. As it is, they're trying make the kernel devs their unpaid slaves by leveling accusations without details. In this way, they can claim ownership of what they allegedly own as well as what is undisputably the original work of the kernel developers. NO ONE is obligated to pay SCO for that work.
Paying SCO $699 or whatever it is does not compensate the kernel devs...some of whom are employed by deep pocketed corps who will insist on their full GPL rights. Nope, SCO is going to have to publically identify with specificity what allegedly infringes so it can be removed from the kernel. It does not help that SCO also appears to be trying to appropriate the POSIX standards. The POSIX standards are NOT the property of SCO. SCO has no right to automatically expect tribute from anyone who implements them.
They will also have to do something about their bizarre theories of what is a derivative work before they will get any sympathy whatsoever.
Your "legitimate above board business" is trying to commit a much larger theft then the one they are accusing others of. Being a business does not give you the right to steal no matter how money you think it will make you.
Does SCO still consider lawsuits to be part of their ongoing product line?
After all, they've paid their lawyers, et alia in stock, implying they either believe their stock will go up (highly unlikely) or they'll be bought out to shut them down (more likely).
When I clicked on the link pointing to the sco site mentioned in the post, the browser said
The server's certificate did not match its hostname. Accept?
www.sco.com
While I was thinking as to whether or not to accept it wondering about the $699 for my linux system, the browser continued loading the page without any problem even before I accepted it.
Is it some clever *coding* on SCO's part or a problem with Opera!?
Now!! Whom should I sue!?!
(OK!! I'm willing to spare the 699 bucks for the higher returns)
Baseless Accusations v1.01
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt v9.421 (previously acquired from Microsoft)
Lack of Evidence v2.2
No sig.
"SCO Corporation of Lindon, Utah (formerly Caldera) has lately taken to an extortion campaign of demanding license fees from Linux users for code that they themselves knowingly distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL. They have also refused to accept the GPL, claiming that some preposterous theory of theirs makes it invalid (and even unconstitutional)! Meanwhile they have distributed GPL-licensed Nmap in (at least) their "Supplemental Open Source CD". In response to these blatant violations, and in accordance with section 4 of the GPL, we hereby terminate SCO's rights to redistribute any versions of Nmap in any of their products, including (without limitation) OpenLinux, Skunkware, OpenServer, and UNIXWare. We have also stopped supporting the OpenServer and UNIXWare platforms."
This guy is way out there
Oddly enough, the article states that 'SCO's continuing Unix intellectual property lawsuits against IBM, Novell and others is apparently putting customers off.' I wonder how that could have happened?
The RIAA and the MPAA would be wise to learn something from the lesson of SCO. Perhaps they will be shrewd enough to do so....let us see.
That's funny, but how about trying the other way? Like linking SCO to something informative.
Today's news of SCO's new product line up isn't even enough to help their stock.
Does anyone find the top five reasons to choose Unix over Linux as listed on the SCO page incredibly funny? Especially item number 5.
#1 SCO UNIX® is a Proven, Stable and Reliable Platform
#2 SCO UNIX® is backed by a single, experienced vendor
#3 SCO UNIX® has a Committed, Well-Defined Roadmap
#4 SCO UNIX® is Secure
#5 SCO UNIX® is Legally Unencumbered
7.1.4 now comes with 27% more lawsuit!
More seriously: can it be audited to insure it doesn't contain GPL'd technology?
I think the problem that SCO will have for many years boils down to:
Do I want to risk doing business with them?
If SCO had just gone out after IBM for copyright infringement, fine - I don't think that the average manager would care.
The problem is that they turned around and sued former customers (not that they had a choice - to sue people they hadn't had relations with might have opened them up to fraud lawsuits. Then again, they could have chosen not to sue at all.)
As a recent article pointed out, people now thinking about going to SCO must be thinking "If I ever leave them, will they sue me after? Can I afford that?"
Current Unixware customers will probably stay on, since it's easier and cheaper to do that than not to. But I will find it surprising if they drum up more then a dribble of new business with their karma approaching sub-basement levels.
In reality, as most people here probably obverve, they've shot themselves in the foot. If they had stuck with IBM, then resolved that, then (assuming they win, which I find rather remote) tried to go after regular Linux users, they might have done very well. And if they lost, well, they'd still have Unixware to sell.
Now, people are going to look at them like a rabid dog with a broken leg. Even if you want to help it, you're worried about how much damage you'll recieve in the process.
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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For instance, if you bought a new or upgraded a system, they would use that purchase as evidence for a lawsuit should you ever choose to migrate to another *nix.
Likewise, if you bought into their protection scheme you would significantly increase your exposure to lawsuits from all sides. This is not only true because you explicitly agree that SCO is the sole arbitrator of what can and cannot be done with GNU/Linux software, but also because such an agreement may make the use of such software a violation of the GPL. It is really a recursive problem in which you are exposed to lawsuit no matter who wins.
So, I really can't see anyone doing any business with this company. Ever.
Of course firms routinely buy software from companies that spy on and attack customers, so this may be the new model of the new economy!
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
I don't know where I read it, but somewhere I read that a Gartner report claimed IBM had around 32 percent of the Linux market share for full systems. While that may not be their primary business, it ain't small potatos either.
Let's see...
Senator Orin Hatch, primarily responsible for DMCA, Patriot Act (he had it written before 9/11) and lots of other very evil legislation.
Senator Bob Bennet, perhaps more benign, but the sort of cluelessness where he claims to be a giant of tech. He takes credit for a lion's share of the drive behind convincing the government to lean on private industry with the Y2K silliness, to the effect of a hundred of billion dollar or more wasted. Then is suprised that tech later had less money to spend on legitimate projects.
Hundreds of thousands of Mormons arguing for a constitutional ammendment that is so religiously based that it also makes the marriage practices of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc., which are still vigorously defended if not practiced by Mormons unconstitutional (is this an uninteended consequence? all there were previously were court rulings).
The Utah Republican Party campaigning to defeat a popular referendum (popular in Utah where the majority is Republican) to regulate and tax the absolute worst forms of dumping of toxic wastes in Utah (also represented by Hatch's Son, like SCO).
The list goes on and on [...]
and blatantly obvious stock scams they have been pulling
well if you are going to call him out on the fact that "The jury is still out" in regards to their IP claims, then I'll call you out on the stock scams.
I havn't seen anything from the SEC saying that the execs of SCO are practicing illegal trading. They might be, it looks like they are, but that has yet to be officially determined.
I think the plan is working. Now Sco is on top of google for "litigious bastards" and litigious bastards.
They are also on top for litigious and just plain bastards !!!
No such thing as bad publicity, if we are going to stop these people slashdot should not post stories covering their saleable goods. On such a high traffic site like this, it may actually net them a sale.
1. FUD on a stick
2. Bogus law suits in a box. (Discounts given to existing customers.)
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
Damnit! And I just bought 20 $699 SCO Linux licenses to replace our existing SCO UNIX infrastructure!
"UnixWare 7.1.4 -- A major upgrade to the UnixWare product line, 7.1.4 includes many enhancements that continue to keep UnixWare as the most reliable, stable, scalable and affordable operating system in its class."
;)
Now, I must say.. I agree with that totally! Finally, SCO Understands.
UnixWare is SO SHITTY that it's in a class all to itself.. nothing else is even close. As far as ultra-shitty operating systems go... it's the most reliable, stable, scalable, and affordable.
In case you're looking for a job, you can work for a high quality company. Here are some of our openings:
Accounts Payable Accountant 26 May 2004
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Senior Software Engineer 13 Jan 2004
(location: New Delhi, India)
Inside Sales Manager 09 Jan 2004
(we don't have Outside Sales Managers because nobody outside our company uses our products)
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"Truth is not decided by majority vote" consensus gentium -- Norman Geisler
I mean, honestly, who would buy anything from a Slimy Corporate Oriface?
I almost forgot that SCO existed again. Then, you slashdot people had to post another story!
Can't we just let SCO slip into oblivion? Don't ruin it for me!
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
By coincidence I wisited their homepage yesterday, just to see who actually resells SCO nowadays (the list is impessivly short).
(Im in the middle of moving a client away from a SCO solution)
In USA, there where no resellers listed, just corporate HQ, and 2 branchoffices.
In Germany and UK I belive it was 3, Sweden and Finland one, Africa one, middle-east one (Isreael)
I didnt check all of them, but those I did check was not actually involved in SCO anymore, when I called them theyy got slightly embarresed to be connected to SCO, and told me that they recomended me to convert to Solaris or RedHat, depending on workload (wich they offered to help me with). They blamed SCO that they where still listed, they had terminated all connections some 4 month and 8 month agp
Yes it does, but do a google on "Alan Hicks" 660661. You get a whole page full of your comments. Obviously Google does cache Slashdot articls.
Why, o why must the sky fall when I've learned to fly?
You would be well advised to know that polygamy was abandoned by the Mormons when Utah was admitted to the U.S. as a state in 1895.
I don't have a problem with your views on the two senators from that state but the items listed about the Mormons are incorrect. I am sure there are a few small minorites who still wed multiple spouses, however it hasn't been church doctrine since 1895. That comparison you made would be like saying "(All) Catholic priests molest young boys.", which simply isn't true.
As for your comment on ``...a constitutional ammendment that is so religiously based...'' there are plenty of laws that are imposed by a religious majority on the public. The ``blue'' laws in the south for instance.
Has anyone else tried clicking on the related topics on the right hand side of the page e.g. company profile?
It takes me straight to Micro$oft's home page!!! What's going on here? I am running FireFox 0.9 on a Mac. I notice that the link switched to is http://http//www.sco.com/company/profile.html. Even stranger, why does this take me to Micro$oft? Is someone at Mozilla playing a joke?
I'm confused!
Kevin
"It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in" O. Nash
Nobody's asking them to give their code away, nobody wants it. They want SCO to stop claiming they own the independently-developed Linux code that IBM brought features to, the same as they brought JFS, NUMA, etc. to AIX from their other OS'.
SCO's business is floundering, and they've stooped to nuisance suits against a deep-pocketed IBM claiming they own AIX/Dynix, thinking they'd be bought out, but instead have drawn the attention of the Pinstripe Nazgul onto themselves. The end result is likely to be a smoking crater in Lindon where once stood SCO. And the rest of us will bring marshmallows.
Ah ... that's not a Smallfoot, that's Novell's foot. And we all know where it's embedded.
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
I had personally sent Orrin Hatch several letters before 9/11 opposing his antiterrorism legislation, because of precisely the types of issues the Patriot Act became known for.
At the time of the Patriot Act, it was reported in the news that they had taken this previous legislation by him as the core, with little modification and that was what congress was voting on. This agreed with my own ongoing personal knowledge of the legislation, so finding the best reference will take a little time. If you know where to look up historical votes with links to the legislation, I will try to find it for you. I believe it was a follow-up to the 1996 antiterrorism acts, which also had patriot-act-like secret evidence rules, which Hatch was also very involved with.
If I do a Google search on "orrin hatch" antiterrorism patriot-act the title of the first article is "The USA Patriot Act was planned before 9/11".
While this particular article provides little good analysis or concrete reference to congressional record, I am not the only one who came to that conclusion, and I will look for the specifics if it is possible to find the record of that time, because it had been in committe, was publicly viewable, and may have come to votes. It may take me a while to find the actual record on my own.
this comes questionably close to the release of the 2.6.7 Linux Kernel.
Because the current product doesn't include linux kernel code. SCO needed to update their OS so that it includes linux kernel code so they can then claim that linux is STILL violating their IP because, "See? There is still SCO code in even the newest linux kernels!".
They have to try to maintain their sole source of income of late (stupid companies that cave and pay for their bogus license to run linux).
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
I think Pat Buchanan, a conservative,
Pat Buchanan is not a conservative. He is a fundamentalist hate-mongering religious zealot intent on destroying the constitution and replacing it with a theocracy.
If you identify yourself with that kind of slime, then you are far worse than a neocon. You must despise everything this country stands for.
The religious and other freedoms were put into the bill of rights specifically to prevent people like Buchanan from having their way with this country.
If you really want to live under religious law, please move to Saudi Arabia or some other place that practices it and then let's see what you think about it. Oh, you don't want to? Well think about why that is, and realize that that is what *always* happens with religious rule. It doesn't matter in the least which religion is ruling.
Being a good American doesn't mean living your life how you want, it means having the courage to allow others to do so. If you honestly believe that you have the right to tell people they can't live their lives their way because you don't like it then you are a very sick individual.
If you don't believe that, then why the hell would you identify yourself with a piece of garbage like Buchanan?