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First Linux-only Retail Store?

Greedo writes "The Toronto Star is reporting that 'Toronto will become home this weekend to what's being touted as the first retail computer store devoted exclusively to Linux-based products.' The store, Sub500.com, will sell PCs and laptop computers based on Linspire. Marc and David Silverman had been selling Linux products over the Web for 18 months. They also operate a car wash and figured they could use surplus office space at that location to open a Linux store."

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  1. Great by mothz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nothing like a high-profile store in the back of a car wash to raise awareness for Free Software.

    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah... but I bet those cars are really clean.

  2. first store? by Slyder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not the first one I've heard of - there used to be one in Atlanta, near Georgia Tech, though it went out of business a little while ago. Too bad, they had some cool stuff.

    1. Re:first store? by Strudelkugel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure would be interesting to see the P&L statement from Linspire. Last I heard MR was looking to raise money via IPO to pay off his loan to the company. The move might only be an attempt to create interest in the IPO.

      As for the stores, without something like the iPod, it's going to be difficult to draw customers. The specialty stores are already competing with Wal*Mart, among others.

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    2. Re:first store? by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The difference being that, AFAIK, walmart does not offer support or service.

    3. Re:first store? by tmhsiao · · Score: 4, Informative

      As detailed in the first reply to the parent, it was the Linux General Store. Right around the corner from my old jerb, it shared a street with two adult entertainment venues, two bars, and used to have a large Tux mural on the side of the building which was a bit unseemly and menacing at night.

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    4. Re:first store? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's the only difference you can see between WalMart -- a gigantic, soulless corporation that manipulates and underpays its workers and offers inferior merchandise solely to funnel money to their shareholders from those consumers so infinitely stupid that they would prefer to saving eleven cents to getting something worthwhile -- and a Linux store run out of the back of a car wash?

      Man, you need new glasses or something.

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    5. Re:first store? by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do you say that? I think "gigantic, soulless corporation that manipulates and underpays its workers and offers inferior merchandise solely to funnel money to their shareholders from those consumers so infinitely stupid that they would prefer to saving eleven cents to getting something worthwhile" sums up capitalism fairly well.

  3. Uhh . . . by concatenation · · Score: 3, Funny
    They also operate a car wash and figured they could use surplus office space at that location to open a Linux store.
    A match made in heaven, no?
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    1. Re:Uhh . . . by zonix · · Score: 4, Funny

      A match made in heaven, no?

      Well, it still doesn't beat "Joe's Wedding Gift Shop And Auto-repair". :-)

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    2. Re:Uhh . . . by TrevorDoom · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know... ...in the small town of Nezbit, Mississippi, there's a store named "Grapes of Wrath Liquor and Ammunition"... ...and sure as hell, they sell nothing but booze and ammo...

    3. Re:Uhh . . . by BigBir3d · · Score: 2, Funny

      There are many such places all over the USA. The best are the drive thru ones.

      "I would like 2 boxes of Remington AA 12-gauge #8 shot, and... a case of Bud."

      True story.

      Oh yeah, linux and a car wash? Do you think the computers running the car wash side of the biz are using linux? If not...

  4. Wait a minute... by slashrogue · · Score: 5, Funny

    You say I can get a car wash and buy Linux-based software at the same time! Now will those car wash babes be geeks too?!? I think my car's dirty...

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by justkarl · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, car washes will be administered by outsourced programmers who desperately need work.

    2. Re:Wait a minute... by FyRE666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Car wash babes direct from the Ministry of Sound ;-)

      (If it stops after the title screen, hit the "Next"/"FF" button in WMP)...

    3. Re:Wait a minute... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Now will those car wash babes be geeks too?!? I think my car's dirty..."

      From your comments, it looks like your car's not the only thing that's dirty.

  5. Also "Sub300.com" by mcgroarty · · Score: 3, Informative

    The same people also run Sub300.com, for any who find Canadian currency to be challenging.

  6. um.... by daevux · · Score: 3, Informative

    First Linux store? There used to be a Linux General Store here in Atlanta, GA (home of the wonderful LUG@GT). I remember buying a mouse pad there and even a bumper sticker (which is still on my car). They also had weekly meetings, and Linux-related classes. Unfortunately they closed down a couple years ago or more, for reasons unknown. I've heard through the grapevine that the owner fled the country :-/

  7. In other news... by revery · · Score: 5, Funny

    A sweat soaked Steve Ballmer announced that many stores that sell Windows will also be opening car washes to compete with this most recent threat from Linux.

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    1. Re:In other news... by mothz · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I put two dollars in the machine, pressed the button, pulled forward... and the roof collapsed on top of my car."

    2. Re:In other news... by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Funny

      A sweat soaked Steve Ballmer announced that many stores that sell Windows will also be opening car washes to compete with this most recent threat from Linux.

      And thus, security flaws in Windows are blamed for soaked car interiors.

      (man, that Ballmer video is downright disturbing)

  8. Workin' at the car wash... by sczimme · · Score: 4, Funny


    From the summary:

    They also operate a car wash and figured they could use surplus office space at that location to open a Linux store.

    Live wash: $5
    Full wash: $6
    Professional Wash: $7
    Pro. Wash + Source: $8

    Buy a Pro+Source on Tuesdays and get a free wax or a 32MB USB pen drive!

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    1. Re:Workin' at the car wash... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If SCO finds out about this they'll start demanding $699 per wash. Hey, it's no less reasonable than their other demands.

    2. Re:Workin' at the car wash... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      Er, no. The source would always be free. And nobody would buy a wash. Instead, they would spend several hours compiling their own from water, soap and wax.

      You know. To save $5.

      That's way too much for a car wash, especially since they don't even innovate that much at car washes anymore!

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  9. Re:Sub500 by generic-man · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is. Their American counterpart is sub300.com, with systems starting at $222.

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  10. Wash Me by rute_1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The question is: Do they do Windows?

  11. Eat your own dog food? by jhkoh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ah, too bad their web site looks to be running on Windows.

  12. Sub500.com by scottennis · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it's hilarious they also have a US version of their store called sub300.com. Do they have to buy new domains whenever the exchange rate shifts?
    In Japan they're known as sub32000.com
    In Italy they're sub477777.com

  13. If only... by DrTobes · · Score: 2, Funny

    They used some of their surplus merchandise to run their website....

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.sub5 00.com

  14. FrontPage?! by JebuZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did anyone else notice the meta tags on this page?

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
    <meta http-equiv="keywords" content="cheap, inexpensive, computers, new, computer, system, upgrade, replace, buy, AMD, Intel, looking, buy, sale, tower, industry, bulk, volume, rebate, deal, deals, special, compute, new, lindows, Microsoft, burner, 299, sub300">
    <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
    <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">

    Oh the irony..

    1. Re:FrontPage?! by hey · · Score: 4, Funny

      I assume they are running FrontPage on WINE.

  15. Re:Leftorium? by British · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will this be something akin to the Leftorium (a la Simpsons) where a retail store opens to an exclusive market?

    If they wanted an even more exclusive market, they could cater to just left-handed Linux customers.

  16. Sub 500 by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
    They live up to their name:

    HTTP 403.9 - Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected

    403.9 is indeed below 500...

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    1. Re:Sub 500 by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's only because they aren't using PHP. Believe me, they'd be getting 500s left and right.

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  17. Oh yeah... by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and our web servers ran Apache, not IIS. (grumblegrumble)

  18. Less consumer confusion ? by TheUncleBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they only stock linux pc's and linux software, it could provide a one stop shop for locals pc needs without the confusion of "will this (windows) software run on my pc?" Sometimes less choice is better.

  19. Poor IIS by n17ikh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linking to an IIS page on slashdot makes baby Jesus sad. HTTP 403.9 - Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected Internet Information Services Isn't it ironic how it's a site for selling Linux computers but runs on a Frontpage-generated, IIS served page. I bet it's the 5 connection version too.

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  20. #1 phrase overheard at the Linux store? by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 4, Funny



    Hey! Come back! You have to *pay* for that!

  21. Lindows strange choice by jdallien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps Toronto's nerds will make a special trip to a Linux-only store, but I don't think many others will be introduced to a new operating system from a small store that's attached to a car wash. That said, Lindows seems like a strange choice of distribution to focus a business on (though they do mention supporting others in the future, but they aren't pushing them for this store opening). Nerds will likely avoid it, even if it is good, since its seen as not worth using if it makes things easy enough a non-nerd could do it. (ie. Mandrake was labeled a "newbie's Linux" at first, though opinion seems to be changing on that one.) Hopefully they find success but they're going to have to evaluate and evolve... people aren't going to be lining up outside just because they can now buy some linux stuff in a store.

  22. Their site... M$? by Whatthehellever · · Score: 3, Funny

    I tried to get to the sub500.com site and received this message:

    The page cannot be displayed
    There are too many people accessing the Web site at this time.

    Please try the following:

    * Click the Refresh button, or try again later.
    * Open the sub500.com home page, and then look for links to the information you want.

    HTTP 403.9 - Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
    Internet Information Services

    Technical Information (for support personnel)

    * Background:
    This error can occur if the Web server is busy and cannot process your request due to heavy traffic.

    * More information:
    Microsoft Support

    Wait... They're running Windows as a web server?!?!?! What gives?

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  23. No! by stefankoegl · · Score: 2, Informative

    As Heise reported (translated version) on June 1, there is already a store which sells all about Linux in Berlin, Germany.

  24. Speaking as a Torontonian by HarbV7.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's see as far as I know there are only 3 Apple stores in downtown T.O. I doubt that a Linux store/ car wash on Dufferin has a Penquins chance in hell of making it (yes even those cute little guys you see on the beaches of Australia). There a ton of cheap computer stores in the College/Spadina area right downtown that'll be more than happy to sell you a cheap machine sans OS. Face it most Linux users know how to download the distro of they're flavour of Linux and in most cases it wont be Lindows. If your a M$ user and want to switch I'd recommend Mac. Me? I'll keep using Mac and Linux (SuSe), but I doubt I'll be visiting this store. Oh, and I don't own a car, not even a Windows one.

  25. Re:Great to see a Linux-only store by nocomment · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like to see it, but unfortunately their IIS webservers couldn't handle the crunch.

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  26. OT: Apple dealers in Toronto by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's see as far as I know there are only 3 Apple stores in downtown T.O.

    Two non-chains come to mind:
    -Computer System Centre, Inc.
    -Northstar

    CompuSmart/Compucentre deals in Apple products, though I'm not sure if you had them in mind.

    Who else sells Apple stuff?

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  27. Not a joke! by Nasarius · · Score: 3, Informative

    It really is IIS for some strange reason.

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    1. Re:Not a joke! by nocomment · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know. That why I said that ;-)

      at first I thought, "hey, maybe it's their hosting provider or some odd proxy thing" but if you cick on netblock owner, only their domains are listed there.

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  28. Everythng Linux in Sydney probably comes closer by AReilly · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's been going for several years now: I bought my "Happy Hacker" keyboard from them, and that's nearly worn out now. They're still going, too. Bricks, mortar and all (and a web presence, of couse).

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  29. Not the first by a long shot by vandan · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.everythinglinux.com.au is a Linux-only retailer in Sydney that's been open for years.

    Perhaps they are the first Linux-only retailer in the US?

    1. Re:Not the first by a long shot by FullCircle · · Score: 4, Funny

      We haven't invaded Canada just yet.

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    2. Re:Not the first by a long shot by vandan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah. Toronta is in Canada, eh?
      Yes, it's only a matter of time then :)

  30. Re:Okay, try the reverse... by shepd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because they're in business and aren't that generous; whereas Linus was in school and appears quite generous.

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  31. Store in Sydney by LinuxFixer · · Score: 3, Informative

    EverythingLinux (http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/) has a retail store since about 1996....

  32. What about licenses? by Pros_n_Cons · · Score: 2, Funny

    What about SCO licenses? are the wholesale prices?

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  33. It's sub300.com in the US by gelfling · · Score: 2, Informative

    No - seriously it is.

  34. Not the first by Mind+Socket · · Score: 3, Informative
  35. Everything Linux by CelestialWizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everything Linux in Sydney,Australia has been operating as a retail store (with webfront) for many years now and is totally devoted to linux and linux related products.

    Nothing new. Again, our North American cousins believe they are the only people in the world. Been on that page already folks, catch up.

  36. I'll try posting this in the -right- thread now. by Dylbert · · Score: 3, Informative

    Everythinglinux.com.au , selling all things linux related.

    Kind of like a Thinkgeek for Australia (and they accept BPAY!) :D

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  37. Small rebuttal from the store itself. by Sub300-Sub500 · · Score: 2, Informative

    HI. Marc from Sub300/Sub500 here. Firstly I'd like to thank all of the supporters here. To answer a few items that were brought up: 1) We don't host our own web server. We pay a company to do so, and until being slashdotted yesterday, I had no idea of what software they were using. I will be speaking to them today about perhaps making the changeover to Linux. 2) About the car wash. We happen to be in a building with a car wash in it. (We also happen to own the car wash). The two companies have nothing to do with each other. We won't be washing computers, and we won't be installing kernels in our drive-thru. The article made it sound like our store was an afterthought. The truth is that we've been doing wholesale of computer parts for the last 12 years, and we've been doing online sales through our websites for the last 18 months. The tennant renting the store space at our car wash recently ended his lease, so the space was available. The location is actually quite good, and there is plenty of parking. The idea was well pretty much well thought out. We didn't just say one day "Let's open a computer store in a carwash!" 3) We will be featuring other distros than just Linspire. We just believe that an absolute newbie coming in to our store for the first time will be much more familiar with the look and feel of Linspire. We know the "geeks" don't dig it, but very often, the geeks can fend for themselves. We are trying to convert more people to Linux. I don't see that as a bad thing. 4) Sub300 is in US Dollars, Sub500 is in Canadian dollars. I've noticed some people confused by the issue. Have to do comparisons correctly. 5) As far as the website, it's being redone (without Frontpage). We've seen the error of our ways. We also made the site before we became Linux exclusive. That's about all I have to say. Feel free to contact me via our website if you have any questions or concerns. Again to the supporters, thank you! Marc Sub300/500