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Robots in Hospitals

Dieppe writes "Robot couriers are being used in hospitals CNN. The robots are being used as delivery 'bots to deliver medicine and other hospital supplies. They are polite, and even can be overly cautious. I wonder if at night they supply them with saws, arms and other cutting devices and let them at each other? Turns out they're cost effective as well!"

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  1. Let's Make a Movie! Yow! by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    Oh, yeah. I can just see the original thinkers at Hollywood, Inc. making a movie about these. Robots, designed to serve and help mankind, a minor flaw, they think for themselves and start taking out the patients systematically until some tough macho cop, probably played by a typecast actor shows up and swaggers a lot and blows them apart with the kind of gun only SWAT teams and infantry are issued, all the while uttering expletives which only entertain juveniles. They'll probably rip off the title of some great sci-fi classic, too, just to promote the lousy thing.

    There was a comic I won at a school fair in the late 60's, with cover ripped off (probably return donated by distributor) Magnus Robot Fighter, which would fit the bill rather well.

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  2. Speaking Of Crappy Movies by lickalotapus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Uh, I think we all know what happens next.

  3. And...? by ResidntGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Robots are also being used in delicate surgeries, to ease hand tremors by the surgeon. They use various methods of control, but the basic idea is the doctor is in a different room and the robot in the operating room, weilding the scalpel, clamps, camera, etc.

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    1. Re:And...? by ResidntGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, then the roobt detects the hand tremors and removes them, so that the doctor doesn't accidentally slice open an artery or whatever. I *think* it's called the Da Vinci Surgical System.

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    2. Re:And...? by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not only that, but it can magnify the image, and reduce the doctors movements.

      That is, the doctor can do virtual surgery on a heart thats blown up to appear to him to be six feet across. He removes/cuts/does whatever to a managable six inch chunk of it, and the robot replicates that on the real heart, in sub-millimeter fashion.

      Pretty cool stuff. Still very much in development though, but there have been some early trials.

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    3. Re:And...? by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Informative

      They demo'd it at my med school. The guys who tested it were suitably impressed. Buy the stock, folks. (No, I have no connection to them.)

    4. Re:And...? by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can actually filter that out.

      Other cool things would be to use force-feedback combined with imaging technologies so that surgeons could do stuff like make critically sensitive areas seem rigid, like brain tissue or blood vessels around a tumour.

      The VR aspects of it too also let you do image and motion scaling as well as work at weird angles, so that certain types of microsurgery become possible, you could sew arteries like pairs of jeans, or operate on a beating heart.

      Surgery is particularly a good application for this stuff because it's relatively easy to simulate the surgeon's tools.

    5. Re:And...? by seafortn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One current issue is feedback - when working with small vessels, like the coronary arteries, it's really easy to pull a stitch right through the wall of the vessel and (at worst) have to start all over again - so the surgeons doing this kind of work often rely heavily on their sense of touch and experience - not sure whether this system has a good fix for that - it's hard to tell with the eye how taut a suture is - maybe a gague to tell the surgeon how much force is on the suture would be a good idea...

      I am not a cardio thoracic surgeon, but I've watched a few bypasses...

    6. Re:And...? by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here's a link to my old colleges CS department. They have surgical simulators with force feedback in the works when I was graduating. I did some minor work on the lumbar puncture simulator for a final semester project. Was really fun stuff.

      Millersville University's Research in Haptics and Surgical Simulation

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  4. little has changed.. by tedtimmons · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The RoboCart has a fixed path determined by tape placed in a hallway

    So basically, nothing has changed since Tron?

    Or since the kit-based "line follower" robots, for that matter.

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    (Yes, I know that most other bots are smarter than that, I used to live across the street from Pyxis. Get over it, I did RTFM.)

    1. Re:little has changed.. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Informative

      So basically, nothing has changed since Tron?

      Wrong movie there, bub. Looker predated Tron by over a year, and it actually FEATURED the trash robots running around. Just watch out for the bad guys with their "invisio-flashy-thingy" guns.

  5. .oO by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doctor: Scalpel.

    Robot: Scalpel.

    Doctor: Domo arigato, Nurse Roboto.

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  6. Well, it looks like the hackers have a new target by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 4, Funny

    The HelpMate asks people, "please examine my contents," when it makes a delivery.

    I can't wait to see what phrase gets hacked into the voice processsor to replace this informative gem.

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  7. RoboDoc by yanestra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Germany, an US product called RoboDoc was working for several years doing pre-programmed hip joint operations. Several hundreds of victims are now preparing to sue the hospitals - the ensanguined operations have led to severe destructions in nerves, muscles and bones.

    1. Re:RoboDoc by lickalotapus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard that lawsuit is just limping along though.

    2. Re:RoboDoc by theCat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just to show what a small world it is... I did some db development for the animal doctor/surgeon who perfected the technique on dogs in his vet practice, using technology developed by a guy who died just before it went gold.

      I guess hip problems are common in some canine species, so the technique go a lot of trial while doing some for animals. And dogs come in many sizes so the techniques once refined could scale easily according to mathematical models.

      This was about 10 years ago. If it's not the same outfit, then there was some parallel work going on. In any event, deploying robots to do hip replacements was a no-brainer; hips are done all the time and are very mechanical, yet are easy to screw up and often require re-tooling at a later date. The guy I worked for was very excited that "permanent" hip replacements were in the offing. Certainly the dogs seemed to do very well, running and jumping and the whole thing. Miracles, really, according to him.

      But dogs can't report the same kinds of subtle post-op issues a human could and would. Maybe it was a technology still not ready for prime time?

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  8. Great idea! by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad that they eat old people's medicine for fuel.

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  9. Watch out! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the brave new world, the terrorists will come armed with coloured tape to control the robot hoards.

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  10. Technology in hospitals by DoctorDeath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My mother (an RN) was recently complaining about the hospital she works in going to using computers in place of paper to do all the patient reports. She had a fit when I told her the local hospitals are using laptops and scanners in every room and medicines are kept lockedup until the nurse scans the patient ID. After the computer verifies the patient it then unlocks the proper drawer so the nurse can get the proper medicine. Now this comes along and she will end up in a nut house for sure.

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    1. Re:Technology in hospitals by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 3, Informative

      My girlfriend is a RN too. She likes the tech (when it works) because it helps eliminate mistakes. The scanning of wrist bar codes for drugs seems to be helping with that. It's amazing how often the wrong drugs or dosages are given to patients. Especially since nurses are incredibly overworked - they frequently have to work 12+ hours. In some hospitals, if you don't put in the time, they'll fire you. Some how, they're getting around labor laws. And now, hospitals are trying to get foreign workers to become nurses ...I'm going on a rant. I'm stopping.

    2. Re:Technology in hospitals by jjshoe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you perhaps thinking of a pyxis machine? [link]http://www.pyxis.com/[/link] The idea is fairly simple. You enter a patient id and you are given drug options. A drawer opens and you count the current amount of items. You take your item out and re-count. done.

      Dr. Plummer brought a lot of technology to the health care industry that can be read here [link]http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/2002/nov/771 1ir.pdf[/link]. One of the items it does not cover that Dr. Plummer did was an intercom system. He called the telco and told a sales person what he wanted. The sales person said it couldnt be done. Plummer demanded to speak to an engineer, who also said it could not be done. Dr. Plummer convinced the engineer that it could and will be done. vwala.

      The paging sytem at Mayo now is quite efficent. You have a pager, number 11, for when you are away from your desk. Your boss decides he wants to talk to you. He answers the phone and dials 11. Your pager goes off. You pick up the nearest phone and press #11 causing you to be connected to your boss. If you are unable to answer your pager it rolls over to either a pre-defined number or voice mail. Robots arnt the only/most efficent technology used in hospitals.

      Anoter fact from [link]http://www.mayoclinic.org/about/rochester.ht ml[/link] "Mayo Clinic occupies approximately 15 million square feet -- about 2.9 times the size of the Mall of America." hit the site, browse around, be amazed.

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  11. Robo-sourcing? by manabadman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    University of Virginia Hospital could save as much as $218,000 a year if it replaced 15 human couriers with six HelpMate robots, which would pay for themselves in little over three years.

    Its not just IT workers that are in danger, and its not just Indian workers that are taking away jobs.

    But thats just how the world works. Invention brings about efficiency but it also opens new avenues for humans. After all H. Ford's assembly line has created a net gain in jobs, right?

    I for one welcome our new ... bah, hello nurse :)

    1. Re:Robo-sourcing? by ch-chuck · · Score: 4, Funny

      If there's a robot to empty bed-pans or colostomy bags, I don't think anybody would mind giving up that job.

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    2. Re:Robo-sourcing? by Saeger · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This technological progress will unfold much faster than you might intuitively assume from the rate of TODAY'S progress. Read Marshall Brain's RoboticNation for a good look into the still-pre-singularity period of this coming robotic future. From fast-food, to trucking, to war, robots will be replacing many millions of jobs over the next decade or so, but until society adapts to this reality, humans will still need to 'work for a living' to justify their existence.

      I think in these circumstances, a communist or socialist system begins to look good

      You can't use the C-word anymore (no, not Cunt - I mean Communism). Even I wouldn't advocate pure communism or socialism, though, but instead a kind of capitalist meritocracy where there's still some ownership, but not to the outrageous excess we see today. Yeah, I'm for limits on personal and corporate wealth. *gasp*.

      In a future where the vast majority of work has been automated, the means of most production should be owned by the people, and all the newly technologically-unemployed "useless eaters" should get their fair share of this automated abundance (rather than starving and revolting), but if you're a little greedier and want a BIGGER PIECE OF THE RESOURCE PIE, then you've got to somehow earn the whuffie by being a 'better' human being than the other 6-billion well-fed humans. What will a leisure society value the most (that can't be automated and owned by a monopoly)?

      A little farther down the road and 'molecular manufacturing' enters the picture, in which the means of production can actually be owned by each and every person because there's no longer a need for a robotic infrastructure to move around the fruits of our old bulk-technology. With nanotech, each person could once again become a self-sufficient island, recycling 'garbage' molecules into food... bla bla.

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  12. Rx Bots Make Sense by grunt107 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These would be very useful in performing all the menial hospital tasks and free up nurses to do the more important stuff. For instance, why not have bots that empty bedpans, scrub/disinfect the floors (and vac up the occasional 'urp). It would also be beneficial to have 'bots for retrieving/turning the hefty or bedridden patients. This would also help in lowering the nursing staff injuries due to fatty-tossing (I have relatives that routinely lift 500+ lb'ers).

  13. Good Idea, Except For... by 00Sovereign · · Score: 4, Funny

    The day when the robots are seen searching the hospital records for a particular "Sarah Connor"

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  14. This is news? by demonlapin · · Score: 5, Informative
    We've had one in my med school for, oh, four or five years. They even ginned up an ID badge for him, which necessitated a naming contest (the winning entry was "Rudy").

    Works just like the article says - takes drugs from the pharmacy to the floor. Fairly straightforward, really. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more in use - most hospitals (of any real size - I'm not counting all the rural 30- and 40-bed hospitals) use a pneumatic tube system of some sort to deliver meds to the floors, and those are notoriously difficult and expensive to maintain.

  15. Shh!! by sserendipity · · Score: 5, Funny

    >I wonder if at night they supply them with saws,
    >arms and other cutting devices and let them at each
    >other? Turns out they're cost effective as well!

    The first rule of Robot Club is _no_ talking about Robot Club.

  16. They don't even allow cell phones. by kerv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know about you guys, but our hospitals up in Canada don't allow the use of cell phones within the building. I guess they figure that they may interfere with some of the life support machinery. Now their allowing some robots to run around? Sounds a little iffy to me don't you think? I think I would be a little scared if I was half-a-wake and some nurse was giving me some needle that a robot just handed her. You might even think you were abducted by aliens!

  17. I was kidnapped by one of those Robots! by blaberski · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, sort of anyway. I work in alot of hospitals all around the country. Anyway, at one of the hospitals, I get in the elivator on the first floor, push the button for the 3rd floor and the door closed.

    The elivator stops on the second floor and one of these robots get in. It took what seemed like forever for it to get in the elivator and get turned around. Once it had turned the right way in the elivator it then proceeded to make a bunch of tones.

    The doors closed, and the elivator began to move, it then bypassed my floor went all the way to the 8th floor. Where it got out and left me standing their.

    Apparently at this hospital the robots have priority on all elivator trafic. It simply overrode my selection and put in its own.

    Damn Robots.

  18. Re:More sterile? Yes by Libertarian_Geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At least you can auto-clave robot hands...
    And yes, I do realize you can auto-clave human hands too, but only once.
    Plus, the robot won't pick his nose between rooms.
    Perhaps the robot could be coated with one of the previously mentioned (here on /.) bacteria killing surfaces.

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  19. Re:security advantageous by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 4, Funny

    No sexual harassment lawsuits
    No labor strikes
    No complaints from handling things that smell bad
    No danger from needlesticks or infections
    Less possibility of contamination from outside sources or recontamination from things like cell phones
    Easier to sterilize than live personel
    More privacy

    Unfortunatly, robots have been known to beat up old people and steal their medicine. And once they have you, you can't get away because robots are very strong. Fortunatly, they're coming out with insurance for people who are worried that they might become the victim of robots.

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  20. Ancient news by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    When I was transferred to Naval Hospital San Diego (now NavMedCenSD, I think), they'd had pretty much that exact system in use for several years. You'd occasional have to get out of the way of one of the little automatic carts as they followed their trails throughout the hospital. The freaky part was when you'd be walking down a long hallway, two little doors would slide open on opposite walls in front of you, a cart would come out from one wall and scoot into the other, and the doors would close behind it. I always wanted to duck in behind one but military chain-of-command is notoriously unsympathetic to tunnel hacking.

    Then again, military medicine seems to be quite a few years ahead of times. By the time I'd graduated from Operating Room Tech school in San Diego in 1993, I'd scrubbed in on many arthroscopic gall bladder removals and pretty much took them for granted. I was pretty surprised a couple of years ago to see a local newspaper bragging about how our hospital had recently acquired the equipment for "state-of-the-art arthroscopic gall bladder removal". One of my friends supervised the NHSD's digital imaging system in '94 or so, and the local civilian facility is just now completing a switchover to the same idea.

    I wouldn't do it again if I had the choice, but we definitely had the coolest toys to play with.

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  21. Re:Let's Make a Movie! Yow! by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> Oh, yeah. I can just see the original thinkers at Hollywood, Inc. making a movie about these.
    > Hey! We could call it "I Robot"! Man, I can hear Asimov rolling around in his coffin...

    Wow, the way you connected the dots there is just scary insightful.

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  22. Re:Let's Make a Movie! Yow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm currently working on obtaining the patent for a Asimov/Dead Author generator.

    Preliminary tests show that as long as Hollywood exists they will churn out enough derivitive drivel to fuel the dead author's spin. By harnessing that spin we could do away with all other forms of electricity generation.

    A second patent has been filed to collect the fury of Harlen Ellison and turn it into useful energy. Although when he dies he'll be added to the Dead Author Energy Farm(tm).

    The final patent I have pending is to collect the energy spent for keystrokes from Slashdot users and turn it into something useful. I figure other garbage can be recycled into fuel - why not Slashdot posts.

  23. Re:security advantageous by puck01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Um, I'm not sure why this would be modded offtopic. I'm a doctor and work in hospitals quite a bit. This is a real problem. The human couriers are often paid little so competence is not the norm for many of these workers. There are often long delays gettin meds up to the floors as a result. Also, drug abuse or selling does occur among the staff and MDs despite many obsticals. Obviously, a robot has no interest in taking drugs for its own purposes so this is clearly a real advantange.

    We have one of these things in one of the hospitals I work in routinely. So far its done a good job. I haven't heard any complaints yet. Plus, its surprisingly entertaining to jump back and forth in its path forcing it to try and find a route around you. this doesn't help expediency however :)

  24. helpful, but annoying by scrod98 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I remember having this in the mid 90's when my mother was in the hospital, used to deliver drugs from the pharmacy. The bad part was that it would come on the floor, stop in front of the nurses station and

    PING

    I HAVE A DELIVERY

    PING

    On a loop every 30 seconds until someone responded (annoying when you aren't well). IIRC it had numeric code and a different compartment for each nurses station, so no stealing from others.

    Funniest was when it would encounter a wet floor sign or similar, and didn't know the difference btw that and a human. Would say "Excuse me, I need to get thru" 2-3x, then back up and go around.

    Wonder if they had to pay royalties to Steven Hawking for having the robot simulate his voice?

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  25. Slow news day? by asackett · · Score: 4, Interesting

    AGVS (Automatic Guided Vehicle Systems) have been in use in factories, hospitals, prisons, jails, mail rooms, etc. for a long time. The last real job I had (prior to becoming self employed) was as Service Manager for a robotics company that built AGVS with capacities ranging from 50lbs. to 6000lbs. and carried everything from the mundane mail and laundry to (exciting stuff!) explosives, and in one installation, people. Inmates, in fact, from the jail to the courthouse and back via an underground tunnel. Get busted, ride a robot!

    One client company who shall remain nameless (hint: starts with an "I" and ends with "ntel") had problems with jealous employees sabotaging and abusing the AGV's in their factories, believing that they were replacing human workers. Maybe they did replace human workers, maybe they were responsible for keeping more jobs in the US than would have been offshored without them. I dunno.

    Those AGV's all had voices, and were polite. If you were detected on or near the (buried) guidepath, the vehicle would slow and politely say, "Excuse me." If you didn't step away, the vehicle would stop and repeat "excuse me" every so often until you did. (It was comical to encounter a stalled machine asking a cardboard box to move.) Once you moved, it would say, "Thank you" and proceed on its way. Upon arriving at a destination where it expected human interaction, it would stop and say, "Hello."

    We built AGV's that could open and close doors, ride elevators, and accept their marching orders via wireless LAN or manual entry. The more complex installations had central controllers that could dispatch a vehicle from anywhere in the facility to anywhere else, tell it what to do at each stop along the way, route them on alternate paths to avoid congestion, etc. They were adept at avoiding collisions with other vehicles, and taking themselves out of service as they neared battery depletion -- when they'd seek an opportunity charger and put themselves on charge. Fun stuff.

    The mail delivery vehicle in our factory received far less maintenance than it ought to have, and sometimes wandered into a wall, where it would patiently ask, "excuse me", until it was rescued. So I named it Harvey (because it was a Wallbanger). One of our more powerful machines, during prototype testing, moved Harvey's favorite wall by several inches -- I wonder if they were involved in some kind of conspiracy.

    That company, Apogee Robotics, ceased operations ten years ago and certainly wasn't without competition. This stuff ain't news!

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  26. If I was a patient, and one came into my room.... by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I'd ask, "Who goes there? Friend or Enema?"

  27. The dirty work by realmolo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I bet all the protologists in the ENTIRE WORLD can't wait to be replaced by robots.

    /insert additional joke about working with assholes all day long

  28. Robots - had them since the 1970s! by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 3, Informative
    We had "robotic" delivery carts for linens, food and supplies in the 1970s.

    Their flaw: they could be stymied by standing in their way and refusing to move, which made them of limited use in pediatrics because the kids kept harassing the robots.