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Robots in Hospitals
Dieppe writes "Robot couriers are being used in hospitals CNN. The robots are being used as delivery 'bots to deliver medicine and other hospital supplies. They are polite, and even can be overly cautious. I wonder if at night they supply them with saws, arms and other cutting devices and let them at each other? Turns out they're cost effective as well!"
There was a comic I won at a school fair in the late 60's, with cover ripped off (probably return donated by distributor) Magnus Robot Fighter, which would fit the bill rather well.
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I suppose that the medical industry has to do SOMETHING about the lack of employees in the growing healthcare industry.
Uh, I think we all know what happens next.
Robots are also being used in delicate surgeries, to ease hand tremors by the surgeon. They use various methods of control, but the basic idea is the doctor is in a different room and the robot in the operating room, weilding the scalpel, clamps, camera, etc.
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So basically, nothing has changed since Tron?
Or since the kit-based "line follower" robots, for that matter.
(Yes, I know that most other bots are smarter than that, I used to live across the street from Pyxis. Get over it, I did RTFM.)
Doctor: Scalpel.
Robot: Scalpel.
Doctor: Domo arigato, Nurse Roboto.
"I only speak the truth"
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The HelpMate asks people, "please examine my contents," when it makes a delivery.
I can't wait to see what phrase gets hacked into the voice processsor to replace this informative gem.
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In Germany, an US product called RoboDoc was working for several years doing pre-programmed hip joint operations. Several hundreds of victims are now preparing to sue the hospitals - the ensanguined operations have led to severe destructions in nerves, muscles and bones.
Too bad that they eat old people's medicine for fuel.
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In the brave new world, the terrorists will come armed with coloured tape to control the robot hoards.
Evil people are out to get you.
Oh, yeah. I can just see the original thinkers at Hollywood, Inc. making a movie about these.
Hey! We could call it "I Robot"! Man, I can hear Asimov rolling around in his coffin...
My mother (an RN) was recently complaining about the hospital she works in going to using computers in place of paper to do all the patient reports. She had a fit when I told her the local hospitals are using laptops and scanners in every room and medicines are kept lockedup until the nurse scans the patient ID. After the computer verifies the patient it then unlocks the proper drawer so the nurse can get the proper medicine. Now this comes along and she will end up in a nut house for sure.
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University of Virginia Hospital could save as much as $218,000 a year if it replaced 15 human couriers with six HelpMate robots, which would pay for themselves in little over three years.
Its not just IT workers that are in danger, and its not just Indian workers that are taking away jobs.
But thats just how the world works. Invention brings about efficiency but it also opens new avenues for humans. After all H. Ford's assembly line has created a net gain in jobs, right?
I for one welcome our new ... bah, hello nurse :)
These would be very useful in performing all the menial hospital tasks and free up nurses to do the more important stuff. For instance, why not have bots that empty bedpans, scrub/disinfect the floors (and vac up the occasional 'urp). It would also be beneficial to have 'bots for retrieving/turning the hefty or bedridden patients. This would also help in lowering the nursing staff injuries due to fatty-tossing (I have relatives that routinely lift 500+ lb'ers).
The day when the robots are seen searching the hospital records for a particular "Sarah Connor"
"Me fail English, that's unpossible." --Ralphie
Ya know, some people made a lot of money with ideas that were half as good as yours.
I can just imagine the doctor...
"hmmm... I put in a order for morphine an hour ago I wonder what is taking the robot so long."
I guess that is why arming these things is necessary.
The HelpMate asks people, "please examine my contents," when it makes a delivery.
Goatse-bot is one step closer to reality.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
They have been doing this kind of stuff, with heavy loads in automated factories and warehouses. What is new?
I would hope these things go through a daily or weekly cleaning routine. It isn't like a human that can wash their hands, robots don't give a darn about personal hygine.
Perhaps they are even cleaner than humans, however they probably have a lot of people touching them.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
... a minor flaw that allows the robots to think for themselves. They learn to do the doctor's jobs better than the doctors, and are about to replace them entirely when an angry mob of surgeons breaks into the hospital, smashes the robots optical receptors in with the blunt end of a bedpan and dismembers the helpeless helpful machines with operating room saws, and everything goes back to how God intended it to be.
The end.
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Works just like the article says - takes drugs from the pharmacy to the floor. Fairly straightforward, really. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more in use - most hospitals (of any real size - I'm not counting all the rural 30- and 40-bed hospitals) use a pneumatic tube system of some sort to deliver meds to the floors, and those are notoriously difficult and expensive to maintain.
I just saw that the Federal Reserve in NY uses robots to store gold. No security check, nobody to sue when a ton of bricks drops on them.
In hospitals, they have to have more avoidance routines, but you could secure narcotics in a safe for delivery to wards and automatically track robot locations.
They're a great win. But have been around for a while.
Now, if they were in the shape of a giant penguin, I could see the relevance to slashdot!
The arrival of the robotic hospital
Please tell me I'm not the only one who is reminded of R.A.L.F. (Robotic Assistant Labor Facilitator) from Flight of the Navigator?
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>I wonder if at night they supply them with saws,
>arms and other cutting devices and let them at each
>other? Turns out they're cost effective as well!
The first rule of Robot Club is _no_ talking about Robot Club.
At least it was in Wichita, KS. I remember a co-worker getting run over as he tried to repair a printer and had his legs out in the hallway. The thing didn't catch him and he was semi-pinned between the door jam, the printer, and the robot. This was like 1996 or so.
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Sounds like they haven't changed much. These followed tape on the floor and asked you to move if they detected you. Maybe their detection has gotten a bit better
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
I don't know about you guys, but our hospitals up in Canada don't allow the use of cell phones within the building. I guess they figure that they may interfere with some of the life support machinery. Now their allowing some robots to run around? Sounds a little iffy to me don't you think? I think I would be a little scared if I was half-a-wake and some nurse was giving me some needle that a robot just handed her. You might even think you were abducted by aliens!
Well, sort of anyway. I work in alot of hospitals all around the country. Anyway, at one of the hospitals, I get in the elivator on the first floor, push the button for the 3rd floor and the door closed.
The elivator stops on the second floor and one of these robots get in. It took what seemed like forever for it to get in the elivator and get turned around. Once it had turned the right way in the elivator it then proceeded to make a bunch of tones.
The doors closed, and the elivator began to move, it then bypassed my floor went all the way to the 8th floor. Where it got out and left me standing their.
Apparently at this hospital the robots have priority on all elivator trafic. It simply overrode my selection and put in its own.
Damn Robots.
Therein lies the greatest potential for future trouble. One of the greatest fears of robots and machines in general, aside from them going out of control, has been that they are cheap labor and take away jobs. Yes, the same fears abounded when computers were first being introduced into the marketplace. Fortunately the shift was smoother than expected (though certainly not complete yet). Hopefully society can make the transition to increased robotics with as much ease as that one.
I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
At least you can auto-clave robot hands... /.) bacteria killing surfaces.
And yes, I do realize you can auto-clave human hands too, but only once.
Plus, the robot won't pick his nose between rooms.
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While yes, these robots can replace a human for delivering supplies, keep in mind that hospitals have used volunteers for that job for years. These robots won't save a hospital 200,000 dollars a year until they replace the doctor. :0]
From another article:
"Tug is a beefed up, industrial version of Cye with a patent-protected navigation/tracking system that slashes its price thousands of dollars below the competition, according to Thorne. Other differentiating factors include Tug's enormous 500-pound hauling capacity and a retrofit kit to pull existing hospital carts."
You can find out more about Cye here.
No sexual harassment lawsuits
No labor strikes
No complaints from handling things that smell bad
No danger from needlesticks or infections
Less possibility of contamination from outside sources or recontamination from things like cell phones
Easier to sterilize than live personel
More privacy
Unfortunatly, robots have been known to beat up old people and steal their medicine. And once they have you, you can't get away because robots are very strong. Fortunatly, they're coming out with insurance for people who are worried that they might become the victim of robots.
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Then again, military medicine seems to be quite a few years ahead of times. By the time I'd graduated from Operating Room Tech school in San Diego in 1993, I'd scrubbed in on many arthroscopic gall bladder removals and pretty much took them for granted. I was pretty surprised a couple of years ago to see a local newspaper bragging about how our hospital had recently acquired the equipment for "state-of-the-art arthroscopic gall bladder removal". One of my friends supervised the NHSD's digital imaging system in '94 or so, and the local civilian facility is just now completing a switchover to the same idea.
I wouldn't do it again if I had the choice, but we definitely had the coolest toys to play with.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
This will make hosptials even more scary for an 8 year olds. I hope they make special effort to make the robots look cute!
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Pneumatic tubes would probably work better. If you REALLY want a robot, the robot could do the routing.
You forgot the part where the hero turns to the dark side and becomes a politician.
Anyone who thinks a robot can be "overly cautious" hasn't watched enough Arnold movies. I mean, unless the robot makes you sign reams of bureaucratic forms before it will do anything, or something like that.
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Quite a while ago I saw a presentation from three competing teams for a hospital robot. The first team, lead by AI types had spent quite a bit of time trying to program intelligence into the robot so that it would be able to navigate through the hospital and go around people. That team was bested by another who simply painted a magnetic stripe on the floor and had the robot stop whenever there was movement within two feet ratio. The winner of the competition placed train tracks hanging from the ceiling and used a simple real time controller that handled electric toy locomotives delivering medicines to the rooms. The cost was that of a few tyco sets.
What hospital is that? Those things are monitored and the dispersement of the narcotics and other controlled substances has to go through a few people. Maybe years ago that was a problem, but now things are actually kind of draconian - to the point where Docs are afraid of giving enough medication. Which means, their patients are in pain.
>> Oh, yeah. I can just see the original thinkers at Hollywood, Inc. making a movie about these.
> Hey! We could call it "I Robot"! Man, I can hear Asimov rolling around in his coffin...
Wow, the way you connected the dots there is just scary insightful.
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Hartford Hospital used one for their patient's food service. It would be loaded up with food trays and would autonomously call the elevator and drive down the hallway to deliver the trays. After the meal, it would drive all the empty trays back to the kitchen. My job at the time was to enter patients food intake into a database. This was circa 1996.
Putnam Investments in Mass also has one that simply drives around reading a painted line that is only visible in ultra-violet light. It delivers the mail. Its pretty cool, but I have had a few isntances where it almost took my feet off going around a corner.
What? no Bender or "Robot Girlfriend" jokes yet?
Or did they get modded down out of oblivion?
Too many zeros, not enough ones
To hell with you! There's not a damn thing wrong with scanning pets! My dog would be DEAD now if a regular scan hadn't detected his throbmotic uiriosyntactic metascrofolosus of the anterior dithyramb!
You cold-hearted son-of-a-bitch. I hope your kitty turns into a fucking alligator.
I've never yet met anybody who'll admit to posting on Slashdot. So who are all these people?!
I'm currently working on obtaining the patent for a Asimov/Dead Author generator.
Preliminary tests show that as long as Hollywood exists they will churn out enough derivitive drivel to fuel the dead author's spin. By harnessing that spin we could do away with all other forms of electricity generation.
A second patent has been filed to collect the fury of Harlen Ellison and turn it into useful energy. Although when he dies he'll be added to the Dead Author Energy Farm(tm).
The final patent I have pending is to collect the energy spent for keystrokes from Slashdot users and turn it into something useful. I figure other garbage can be recycled into fuel - why not Slashdot posts.
"I wonder if at night they supply them with saws, arms and other cutting devices and let them at each other?"
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From http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2002/302_bots.ht
"Two robotic surgical systems have received FDA clearance to be marketed in the United States: The da Vinci Surgical System, made by Intuitive Surgical, Inc. of Sunnyvale, Calif., is cleared to perform surgery under the direction of a surgeon. The ZEUS Robotic Surgical System, made by Computer Motion, Inc. of Goleta, Calif., has been cleared by the FDA to assist surgeons."
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
By the end of the 21st century, creativity -- the creation of intellectual property -- will be the only currently known role that will still be the domain of us humans. And the control of that creativity is what is being fought for now.
That's the power struggle going on now. It's just started. One more thing. By the end of the 21st century, molecular genetics will have progressed to the point where most people will be able to live almost forever. Imagine living forever in a world where production and services basically cost nothing. The only thing of value will be control of the intellectual property behind it all.
Imagine a world where material items sell for a dollar each and services are provided for ten cents an hour. It could be paradise if you have the money to pay for what you want. But if you don't, how do you compete against such prices?
The challenge as we approach the 22nd century will be to rethink the issues of access. How will we reward innovation while making it possible for most people to survive and live reasonably good lives? Because, if most people cannot pay for those goods and services, there will be a revolution. If that revolution succeeds, those who were on top will be gone. If the revolution fails, the whole economic system will collapse from lack of customers.
Hang onto your hat. It's going to be a wild ride."
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Um, I'm not sure why this would be modded offtopic. I'm a doctor and work in hospitals quite a bit. This is a real problem. The human couriers are often paid little so competence is not the norm for many of these workers. There are often long delays gettin meds up to the floors as a result. Also, drug abuse or selling does occur among the staff and MDs despite many obsticals. Obviously, a robot has no interest in taking drugs for its own purposes so this is clearly a real advantange.
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We have one of these things in one of the hospitals I work in routinely. So far its done a good job. I haven't heard any complaints yet. Plus, its surprisingly entertaining to jump back and forth in its path forcing it to try and find a route around you. this doesn't help expediency however
I have read several books published in the early 1980's which talked about these kind of robots. Most of them were about the size of a small chest freezer (about .75m x 1m x 1.5m), and followed a line on the floor, or a buried wire of some sort. Beacons or bar codes allowed the robots to recognize where they were at on the route.
While I don't have any references for these books, one book I do own, entitled "The Robot Book" by Robert Malone (copyright 1978, ISBN 0-15-678452-1), shows on page 22 a picture of a robot called the "Lear Siegler Mailmobile" - looks basically like a large and mobile mail slot tray. I encourage anyone with an interest in robotics to get a copy of this book - lots of large, great imagery of various robots, real and fictional, as well as automata and other "automatic" machinery from earlier periods (it includes several large images of Hughes Aircraft Mobots, and a great picture of the GE Hardiman exoskeleton).
Ever wonder why the "standard" test for a simple robot is a line following 'bot? Simply because this is a major industrial task used in a variety of robotic systems, even today (very robust if done properly). I remember taking a tour of a new newspaper publishing plant in my hometown when I was a kid - they had similar robots for loading large rolls of paper into the presses...
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I HAVE A DELIVERY
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On a loop every 30 seconds until someone responded (annoying when you aren't well). IIRC it had numeric code and a different compartment for each nurses station, so no stealing from others.
Funniest was when it would encounter a wet floor sign or similar, and didn't know the difference btw that and a human. Would say "Excuse me, I need to get thru" 2-3x, then back up and go around.
Wonder if they had to pay royalties to Steven Hawking for having the robot simulate his voice?
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I would have given you the story years ago. The robot has been running at our hospital since i can remember. Dont really remember much else about it, was news at one point a long time ago in a gal......
AGVS (Automatic Guided Vehicle Systems) have been in use in factories, hospitals, prisons, jails, mail rooms, etc. for a long time. The last real job I had (prior to becoming self employed) was as Service Manager for a robotics company that built AGVS with capacities ranging from 50lbs. to 6000lbs. and carried everything from the mundane mail and laundry to (exciting stuff!) explosives, and in one installation, people. Inmates, in fact, from the jail to the courthouse and back via an underground tunnel. Get busted, ride a robot!
One client company who shall remain nameless (hint: starts with an "I" and ends with "ntel") had problems with jealous employees sabotaging and abusing the AGV's in their factories, believing that they were replacing human workers. Maybe they did replace human workers, maybe they were responsible for keeping more jobs in the US than would have been offshored without them. I dunno.
Those AGV's all had voices, and were polite. If you were detected on or near the (buried) guidepath, the vehicle would slow and politely say, "Excuse me." If you didn't step away, the vehicle would stop and repeat "excuse me" every so often until you did. (It was comical to encounter a stalled machine asking a cardboard box to move.) Once you moved, it would say, "Thank you" and proceed on its way. Upon arriving at a destination where it expected human interaction, it would stop and say, "Hello."
We built AGV's that could open and close doors, ride elevators, and accept their marching orders via wireless LAN or manual entry. The more complex installations had central controllers that could dispatch a vehicle from anywhere in the facility to anywhere else, tell it what to do at each stop along the way, route them on alternate paths to avoid congestion, etc. They were adept at avoiding collisions with other vehicles, and taking themselves out of service as they neared battery depletion -- when they'd seek an opportunity charger and put themselves on charge. Fun stuff.
The mail delivery vehicle in our factory received far less maintenance than it ought to have, and sometimes wandered into a wall, where it would patiently ask, "excuse me", until it was rescued. So I named it Harvey (because it was a Wallbanger). One of our more powerful machines, during prototype testing, moved Harvey's favorite wall by several inches -- I wonder if they were involved in some kind of conspiracy.
That company, Apogee Robotics, ceased operations ten years ago and certainly wasn't without competition. This stuff ain't news!
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I can't wait to see what phrase gets hacked into the voice processsor to replace this informative gem.
"Hey, check out my package."
"Somebody order a pizza?"
"Does this smell funny to you?"
"I swear to god, it was like that when I got it."
And my personal favorite:
"Hey, what'll you give me for this crap?"
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I've always thought a good application of microsurgical robotics would be internet-based multi-surgeon environments. :)
I would think having 5 or 6 neurosurgeons working simultaneously could acheive rather extrordianry things. Say, reattachment of much beloved body parts (that's always been my favorite sugical application).
Or, multi-surgeon environments could simply make lenghty operations much more speedy (getting a surgery done as soon as safely possible is certainly benificial in most situations).
Come to think of it, why stop at 5 sugeons? make it a 64 surgeon server. I'm sure the insurance companies will love footing the bill for 64 neurosurgeons
Just make sure your hospital has installed punk-buster.
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put the what in the where?
From the movie "I, Robot" starring Will Smith.
Robots cannot harm humans.
DUN DUN DA!
...I'd ask, "Who goes there? Friend or Enema?"
Soon robots similar to this one will be in more places and become smarter and smarter. I work in a automation factory and get to see large stationary Fanuc robots in action. These thing could rip your arms off and not miss a line of programming. In 10 years, larger and smarter robots will be capable of waling with lege like Aismo, navigating with systems developed from all the autonamous navigation contests and have the strength of large factory robots. These things are scarry, and i just wanted to post my opinion
AFAIK, all major military hospitals are teaching facilities, ala your local university medical center. You get some of the best and brightest, and you also get some that haven't figured out how to tie their own shoes but haven't been weeded from the system yet. I observed that the technology was pretty advanced, not that the occupants were any more intelligent.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Oh, yeah. I can just see the original thinkers at Hollywood, Inc. making a movie about these. Robots, designed to serve and help mankind, a minor flaw,
There was a short story I remember reading (but completely lost the name of the author/title), which feature a man who was the last human being on Earth. Something on the lines of cryogenic storage is used to store people with terminal illnesses until they can be cured. During this time of his storage, the entire human population declines, with robots replacing much of the manual work. By this time the entire human population has gone, the entire planet is run by machines which give themselves the purpose of working on curing the remaining humans of their terminal illneses, but the humans die from the shock of regaining consciousness and not seeing any other humans around. The last human manages to survive this shock and proceeds to first search the continent, then the planet, then the solar system, then finally the nearest stars in the hope of finding life, all the time while bouncing in and out of cryogenic sleep for the odd million years. By the time the reports from the first exo-solar planets have been returned, the only life found is slow-moving plant-life, which doesn't impress the guy. After several billion years, when the sun has gone into the red-giant phase, the machines have found intelligent human life, even if they do have a slight greenish hue to their skin. The guy ends up travelling at warp-speed to the new planet to land on a paradise. Well, at least it was a happy ending.
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An insurance policy with a robot plan? Certainly, I'm too old.
"lithium is no longer available on credit"?
In a push to lower costs and free up workers for more critical tasks, hospital officials are turning more and more to robots like TUG to ply their hallways.
I wonder what the unions will have to say about this? More and more they're dictating the overall operating terms of large organizations. Anything which reduces their impact must be bad.....
Saw a robot courier in '93 or '94 (don't remember exactly when). Was at some large corporation. Pretty much followed a stripe on the floor and stopped whenever someone got close. As I recall, it could handle the elevators. Seemed pretty cool to a kid back then. Not sure it's slashdot-worthy a decade later.
Robotic nurses make better lovers, eh?
The hacking is fun, a combo of real time control and game programming, and it's gratifying to be involved in software work that is more beneficial to humanity than the usual "moving bits from here to there."
I bet all the protologists in the ENTIRE WORLD can't wait to be replaced by robots.
/insert additional joke about working with assholes all day long
Imagine a beowulf cluster of those!
There are actually quite a few...
Here is one:
http://www.pyxis.com/products/helpmate.asp
It is kinda cool to see them roaming around the building. They are used for delivery of medicine to different areas.
They are programmed with a floor plan of the hospital, but do some of their own pathfinding.
They have a little remote for opening doors and operating elevators. They can use 802.11b and other wireless for network. It is really a neat product, but in a way in its infancy.
Disclaimer:
I work for Cardinal Health and we do Automation and Information systems products including the robot in the above (Pyxis is a wholly owned subsidiary).
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Their flaw: they could be stymied by standing in their way and refusing to move, which made them of limited use in pediatrics because the kids kept harassing the robots.
Damn, just wait until that building gets a "restricted" floor and people start hitching rides with the mulebot.
Betcha the little guy's priority drops faster than a plummeting hospital elevator (think Resident Evil).
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Just make sure Will Smith isn't a patient.
Dr. Hawking's original synthesizer was an off-the-shelf module. Much of the hardware was customized, but not the voice. Same voice shows up all over the place.
Later, after voice customization became less freakishly expensive, he was asked whether he wanted to change it. He said no, because he and his family and colleagues had come to identify with that voice, and a change would be very difficult.
And he's never changed since.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Just retrofit a narrow robot sized elevator system, and/or a network of passageways they can use independant of hallways for them to use, which could increase their efficiency several fold (and possibly cost just slightly more than they save in manhours).
In older hospitals, they used/use dumb waiter systems. A retrofit of those would be far less expensive.
Another thought that crossed my mind, is that perhaps the bots are being used improperly. They do not require a floor to travel, that is a human need. They could run along the walls, or even the ceilings, without any slowdowns due to sharing the space with us gravity dependant beings.
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The hospital my roomate works in has one of these. Its name is Sarah Tonin. It is damned money pit. For one, the thing is slow. Very Slow. It creeps up and down the hallways and when it requested the elevator, it blocks it for use by anyone else. Second, the thing is consistently broken. It spends more time in repairs than it does making rounds. All of this for a flat annual lease whose price is somewhat higher than the salary of the entry level support staff position the thing replaced. There is no way the thing is cost effective, and one of the hospital administrators admitted as much to me at party once. The robot is not about cost effectiveness or usefulness. Its about appearing progressive to patients. The patients see the robot and think "Gee! I must surely get top notch medical care here if they have such hi-tek stuff!" Its an extension of the modern medical fallacy that technology necessarily improves care. The patients would do alot better if the hospital ditched the damned robot and its related support costs and hired an entry level transporter to carry the specimens and a nurse anywhere in the place to lower patient-nurse loads.
Who imagined some SA goons sneaking around a hospital, rerouting all the tape to the stairs, along with setting up the bots to play the MP3 of "Terrible Secret of Space"?
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I remember that series Magnum Robot Fighter 4000 AD. Not the retelling one but the orginal from the 60's.
Actualy in the movie Runaway with Tom Select and the guy from Kiss. THere was a seen where a guard robot traped one of the character. Some lady. THey just turn on the sprinklers to stun it.
So true. Trust slash dot to beat the subtlety out of any attempt at humor.
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Sounds "Disney" to me.
You'll also free up labor for usage in other things. More nursing care, maybe. More labor will be made available for industry as a whole, maybe allowing a new field that previously couldn't get workers to open up, providing new services, raising the standard of living.
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You talking to me ? LOL
Actually, I am a nurse, with over 15 years ER, and now 5 years substance abuse and pysch. Yes we do have a high rate of substance abuse problems, but no more or less than any other field. There is a lot of oversight of narcotics. And as far as the previous poster saying MD's were "afraid" of giving pain meds because of oversight, I call BS. MD's can be jerks with pain meds, but it has nothing to do with fear of the FDA. It has more to do with lack of compassion.
Just my 2 cents
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I went to DC as a high school student in 1978. We got a tour of the department of labor, and they had one of these. It followed a tape in the floor, hailed elevators with an RC signal, and used sonar to avoid running into people and stray junk. It sounds EXACTLY like these units, and pretty much looks the same too. I have a photo but can't find it right now.
So it's getting into very limited commercial use now, some 26 years later.
Basically, what you describe is meerly creeping socialism/communism as each new generation "levels" out the wealth more and more until you arrive at absolute communism. The reason is simple, I'm not just arguing slippery slope here.
If you accept the premise that it's ok to redistribute wealth involuntarily through taxes (I'm not just talking about all government spending here, just things that would constitute transfer payments), then where is your logical stopping point?? Perfect equality, anywere in between those two points is simply not sustainable; since anyone that accepts the premise will always want marginally more redistribution of wealth than the current system provides. Of course this wouldn't likely work over a short period of time, as you need successive generations to be raised with ever higher expectations of wealth equality. It's a simple exercise of moving the goalposts, as it were, until an absolute limit is reached. Of course it would be difficult to make it to that point, since the larger the redistributional burden, the lower the overall level of productivity would fall. (as you admit you can't eliminate all incentives, but you seem to be willing to eliminate them for larger and larger groups).
Actually, this is a great parallel to Eldred vs Ashcroft. If congress can retroactively extend copyrights, then you can legitimately argue that the time period for copyrighted works in unlimited and unconstitiutional. (unfortunately the court didn't rule in this manner).
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Stolen from http://netec.mcc.ac.uk/JokEc.html Two stangers, a man and a woman, meet in a cafe, the man asks. "My Dear, would you go to bed with me for a million dollars?" "Well, yes, I guess I would." "How about $100?" "What kind of person do you think I am?" "My Dear, we have already established that. We are merely haggling over the price!" According to Ross Emmet, the story was told by George Bernard Shaw. The man and woman are Winston Churchill and Lady Astor and the incident allegedly did occur.
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Over a decade ago, I saw robots (non-humanoid) delivering such things as laundry baskets to various parts of a hospital. The "brain" was some Micro-VAX computers and the robots looked like boxes that followed tracks in the floor.
There's no news, except for those things the people didn't know before...
...about beer delivery robots?
Personally, I write opiates whenever I feel the situation is warrented and never give a thought to any sort of oversight or possible legal ramifications. If someone needes them, they need them. However, I do know a number of docs who are very concerned about this. I can't explain why, but its a real fear on their part.
It seems likes Robocop has really bored the people, ..."
it's time to make a new serial for the tv,
"Emergency Room 2, - RoboDoc arrives
i wonder how fast can a robot "learn-it-all" ?
as for human doctors, it takes about 10 years ? or even more?
and then they'll get a unprofitable job at a public hospital
where they have a zero possibility to make a great career whatsoever.
de facto, i'd better trust myself into the hands of
ancient asian healers or western-culture witches than
into the doctors hands we have nowadays. can robots bring
a change in here ?
an excellent AI with nanometer exact slicing'n'cutting
techniques and no drinking'or'drugs problems surely does
look much more promisin' than the doctors now.
as for nurses, i think human nurses will always be better
(more human), especially if they are from the opposite sex;)
I'd tell you the chances of this story being a dupe, but you wouldn't like it.
Sweet. Now I can have beer delivery when I'm stuck in a hospital bed!
"To lead the people, you must walk behind them"
A patent for a Dead Author Generator? I can see the application now...
"This claim covers approaching an author of fictional or non-fictional works published in book, short-story collection, magazine or other form, pointing a pistol, machine-gun, revolver or similar firearm at them and pulling the trigger. Prior art exists for use of a knife or similar weapon (cf Julius Caesar) and burning alive (cf Catholic Church), so these methods are not claimed."
Grab.
Please be careful around the stairwells when these robots are about. Pak Chooie.
You mention beating up old people. I think something like this would scare the crap out of old folks - patients and family members alike - in a hospital. It's just an invitation to have some crazy old woman come running down the hall dragging her IV behind her screaming, "The machines are coming! The machines are coming!"
This sounds outrageous, but you wouldn't think so if you'd stood in a line of 20 people waiting in a non-moving post office line and listened to a similar rant from a 70+ year old woman. When a US postal worker asked if she'd like to save time and get her stamps from a vending machine only 3ft away, she did everything possible to avoid it.
"Those machines charge more for the stamps."
Sure -- the machines are out to rob us blind.
"Thank you, but I just don't trust those machines."
OK -- you're right, lady. They're out to steal your money AND eat you alive instead of giving you 20 stamps. Run for your life!
I could just see one of these robots getting lost in a geriatric ward. It would be the night of a thousand coronaries! Hmmm...a great idea to get folks off Medicare is brewing here.
My 2 cents.
IronChefMorimoto
If a weak flow of air can be made to switch a stronger one's direction, or switch it on and off, we're ALL screwed. Elaborate networks of air currents, switching one another on and off, could be designed using Boole's rules of logic, and BAM you've got a machine that thinks. Give it two weeks and it will take away all our jobs.
Some may welcome our new pneumatic tube masters, but I say they 4r3 teh 3v1L and must be stopped! If you see a tube and you think there might be compressed air in it, try cutting it open. If anything besides air comes out, slap some duct tape on there real fast. But if only air comes out, you may have just allowed a family to eat dinner. If you're not sure it's air, examine the gas carefully with a lighter.
One thing a lot of people don't know: those DIGSAFE signs in your neighborhood are part of a vast conspiracy, providing the pneumatic tubes an unseen underground haven to raise their young. Get your shovel, seek them out, and hammer nails into them. (But keep a defibrillator handy.)
WWJD for a Klondike Bar?
Here at work, we have an automatic mailbot that brings around the mail twice a day.
It's loaded up in the mailroom (by humans-we're not that advanced yet), operates the elevators and follows a line of ultraviolet paint around the building. It stops at known locations and waits to be unloaded, it stops it it hits something, and can also be stopped manually.
I named him Marvin
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " -Albert Einstein
But did you pick up the _Colossus: the Forbin Project_ reference in the article? :-)
That old Magnus I read, I still remember pretty well. Had great noir artwork and a fairly interesting story, at least to a 6 year old. I think Magnus would make a decent subject for a film, but done in a similar style to Bladerunner.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
lol. :) someone got it.
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It's the end of my comment as I know it and I feel fine.
Maybe the world is waiting for *you* to write and publish the DTD for medical information.
And they can spell, too!
I would like to have the 10,000 people who can use a device that lets them operate as well as the 100,000 people who don't need it. Afterall with more posible surgeon either there price goes down or the quality goes up (as they become less overworked or the people who are not that great at it do something else.