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A Six-Step Plan for Apple

An anonymous reader writes "Open letter from Alex Salkever to Jobs. One thing in particular strikes me: 'The latest round of attacks on Microsoft software is terrifying. If using a Mac means servers in Russia are less likely to harvest my passwords and offer my identity to the highest bidder, I think that's an offer I'd like to hear more about.' I think he's got something there."

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  1. Let's not forget... by terraformer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Macs are not immune either...
    As I type from within one I must say!

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    1. Re:Let's not forget... by arieswind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They have the same advantage over pc's that firefox has over IE, mostly that they dont have much of a market share, so hackers dont spend that much time making viruses for them. As long as they stay relatively unused by the mass public, it will stay that way. If everyone gets the same idea to move to a mac, virus wirters will shift their attention to macs.

    2. Re:Let's not forget... by afish40 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not just security through obscurity. To install any new application in Mac OS X (as I imagine it is in Unix), the admin password must be input. Windows does not have this extra safeguard.

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    3. Re:Let's not forget... by rusty0101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this is well bourn out by the evidence with regards to attacks on web servers. As has been well documented, IIS servers have been vulnerable at various times to several well known viruses, which have been able to spread themselves to other IIS web servers.

      It is a well known factoid that IIS web servers provide the vast majority of the content available on the Internet. As a result they have been targeted by virus writers and script kiddies the world over for attacks.

      On the other hand there is an open source web server that has a very low volume of sales, known as Apache, that because it provides such a low volume of the content of the Internet, has remained of little interest to virus writers and script kiddies.

      Should Apache ever take off and become popular, it is likely that it will become a significant target of attack.

      What's that you say? Apache actually serves more than half the content of the Internet? Damn! There goes this bit of evidence.

      -Rusty

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    4. Re:Let's not forget... by arieswind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It might be a bit more secure, but remember that there is no 100% secure program. If 95% of the world was using macs, I guarantee they will find bugs, and they will exploit them. Its only a matter of time.

    5. Re:Let's not forget... by scoser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But still, social engineering will allow viruses to get installed even with the password safety, because Joe User loves "free celebrity screensavers!!!" and will happily enter the password to install them.

    6. Re:Let's not forget... by bizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is such a tired, over-simplified, and patently false rant I'm surprised it rates an insightful...Yes, lower market share will result in fewer exploits. But giving half a thought to basic security precautions will too. Between the two of them you end up with an operating system which currently has 0 viruses in the wild and very few exploits which affect the default installation.

      It is also inane to suggest that all of a sudden, everyone will switch to a mac and suddenly get viruses. The point is that with a diversified eco-system (linux, freeBSD, Solaris, MacOS, Windows, etc.) all using different client and server software, the threat potential goes down for everyone because it makes it that much harder for a worm or virus to spread.

      Explain how Apache is the most popular web server, and yet the server which gets holed by worms on a regular basis is IIS

    7. Re:Let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They'll find bugs, but let's face it, Microsoft cut corners when designing the security in Windows. Replacing it with any system that was designed by people who care about security is going to be better, bugs or no bugs.

      That whole IE Zones thing has got to go, every other exploit seems to work by confusing IE into think it's the local machine zone. This is a badly designed security mechanism, and it's just the tip of the iceberg of very poor decisions made by Microsoft.

    8. Re:Let's not forget... by ioslipstream · · Score: 1, Insightful

      While you are correct... the user that is likely to set these restrictions is probably smart enough to stay free of viruses in the first place. It's the ones that don't know about these kind of safeguards that are the problem.

      Windows default security model is horrible, but hopefully sp2 will straighten things out a bit.

    9. Re:Let's not forget... by arieswind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who knows? stranger things have happened, and besides, never is such a strong word... theoretically... what if microsoft turns out to be another enron? certainly unlikely, but not impossible

    10. Re:Let's not forget... by nomel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but why the HELL would anyone use IE over firefox!?

    11. Re:Let's not forget... by flatface · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please also note that it's ALSO for w3schools.com. Is Joe Blow, our average Windows XP/Internet Explorer user going to visit it? Probably not. We're instead going to have web developers, many of whom have a better clue about security.

    12. Re:Let's not forget... by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it matters if MS dies or not. No mature industry has a single company holding 95% of the market. The current situation simply cannot last forever, and when it changes, we'll go back to having many large companies with big chunks of the market instead of a single company with almost all of it.

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    13. Re:Let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This has been done to death and proven wrong so many times here on Slashdot. The epitome of the counter-argument is to compare Apache with IIS. Apache has much more market-share and much less discovered vulnerabilties.

      No! The fact of the matter is that Microsoft made some very stupid design decisions and they have steadfastly refused to revisit and rewrite those things that have been proven to be stupid.

      Popularity is not a guarantee of vulnerability; bad design is!

    14. Re:Let's not forget... by ThousandStars · · Score: 4, Insightful
      No mature industry has a single company holding 95% of the market.

      Correct -- providing that one company does not hold a stranglehold over the marketplace.

      But even so, I think the seeds of Microsoft's destruction have long been sown. Their prices are too high and their movement too slow. Today I think the best developers and computer scientists work on open-source software, which is often portable. From there I think the great generalized applications of tomorrow will spring.

      Although I hate to sound like a buzzword bullhorn, I think Linux will ultimately prove to be less expensive, more flexible, expandable, and all-encompassing: one can run it on the servers, the clients and the portable devices, and run it seemlessly without regard to lisencing costs. Those seeds I mentioned earlier are still saplings, but unlike commericial competitors Microsoft cannot kill them by purchase or by might alone.

      One can see this occuring already in the third and first worlds, and among cost-conscious businesses. This is coming from someone typing on an XP box using Mozilla (Linux does not suit my needs -- yet), but I think the mists of future show a world far more open than the one today.

    15. Re:Let's not forget... by Fulkkari · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it hasn't. I have avoided Windows for some time now, but occasionally I have to use it. The big difference I've seen between Mac OS X and Windows is that your programs run fine in OS X with minimum privileges, while most of the applications on Windows require administrator privileges to run. A non-admin account is practically unusable for anything else than reading e-mail and web browsing.

      PS. Show me one OS, whose default user is NOT an administrator. How could you do anything, if there is NO user with administrator rights, eh?

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    16. Re:Let's not forget... by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because they don't know about firefox, and there's this icon with internet in the text under it on their shiny new computer

  2. apple? by inf0c0m · · Score: 2, Insightful

    apple really isnt the only alternative....

    1. Re:apple? by arieswind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may not be the only alternative in existence, but it is the only real alternative for all the grandmothers, and computer incompetents in the world. As much as you linux zealots hate to admit it, Linux is not the most user friendly OS to install and use. If all they want to do (or know how to do) is email, IM and download pictures off their cameras, they really don't need the flexibility Linux(or variants) gives them. Apple is similar to MS in the fact that pretty much anyone can install a mac and pick it up and use it without many problems

    2. Re:apple? by throck2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, grandmothers do not need the "flexibility" offered by linux. But if all they are doing is email, IM, and downloading pictures off of a camera it sure is a much less expensive option than an iMac. Once they have linux installed by their grandson, it will run itself.

      Maybe I'm just a cheap bastard though.

    3. Re:apple? by solios · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are if you want to run photoshop, illustrator, Macromedia products.... if you need Office for whatever reason. If you do video.

      For the Creative Professional, your options are the Mac, which gets out of your way, and Windows, which goes out of your way to get in your way, but is so stupidly cheap and ubiquitous that the vast majority of young / struggling artists go with it.

      Adobe dropped Photoshop for IRIX a long time back, and there's no comprable solution for Professional Image Editing.

      (save the Gimp arguments, I've heard them. :-| The Gimp is getting useable but the Gimp is still Not Photoshop.)

    4. Re:apple? by hackstraw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Stop crying and buy a Mac. I mean, your already up to 2 computers with 2 different OSes to "surf the web". Within 10-20 minutes of powering on your mac you can "surf the web" and not have these problems.

      Sheesh, do you also use 2 cars in tandem because one is always broken? It never ceases to amaze me how many people's intelligence gets halved when they are behind a computer.

  3. confusing design and technology by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "You say the iPod, priced from $250 to nearly $500, proves that Apple can charge a premium for superior design. I disagree. What makes the iPod so hot in the consumer market is superior technology -- the first workable user interface on a digital music player. That's the reason why the premium has stuck, not the nifty form factor or funky colors.

    Do you think that when Apple talks about 'superior design', they aren't talking about color, but the OS and user interface? When Alex says 'technology', and Apple says 'design', I think they are talking about the same thing.

    People don't pay premium prices because of a Mac's color, or shape, but for the OS and interface. They expect the nice 'design' (in the "looks-nice" sense) because of the premium price, but are not paying premium solely for its looks.

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    1. Re:confusing design and technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are paying premium because its a status symbol. Do you know how hard it is to get your hands on the iPod mini right now. Any high school girl that has one is the queen of their hive.

    2. Re:confusing design and technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People don't pay premium prices because of a Mac's color, or shape, but for the OS and interface.

      Well, they do pay for the color and shape, at least in the design fields. Showing off a fleet of up-to-date Macs is a neccessity, a sign of taste and prosperity for a large ad agency or mid-level design house.

    3. Re:confusing design and technology by kabrakan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True dat with a wiffle ball bat. I spend lots of time on all kinds of OS's and I like the macintosh the msot because i don't have to worry about getting the computer to work, i only have to worry about my own problems. Unless you're so inclined, a computer is a tool, not a hobby.

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    4. Re:confusing design and technology by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd take that even further. Good design is, by definition, never superficial. Good design pervades all the functions of the object in question. Good design makes the thing easy to use, obvious to use, and also elegant to look at.

      And Apple has good design wired.

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    5. Re:confusing design and technology by fearlessfreddy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      [...] What makes the iPod so hot in the consumer market is superior technology -- the first workable user interface on a digital music player. That's the reason why the premium has stuck, not the nifty form factor or funky colors.

      As the previous poster implied, the above statement is completely wrong.

      Many WOMEN do choose iPod exactly because of its shape and colors. My girlfriend did.

      Hasn't anyone noticed that young women buy stylized cell phones? To them electronics are not gadgets they are accessories. If they aren't cute or cool, they aren't going to carry them around.

      I don't think many male computer geeks consider that women buy electronics too. I haven't seen the numbers, but am willing to bet that more women buy iPods than men.

  4. Oh nice! I was getting worried! by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's been a few months since we've had a self-styled "expert" come along and tell Apple what their doing wrong and how they can fix it, else they will shrivel up and die.

    Story contains the same thing over and over and over and over we've heard now for what...20 years now? Lower their prices, focus on what they do best, lower their prices and lower their prices.

    The only thing new here is focus on security, which seems like a good thing to focus on, but only if Apple can TRUELY deliver a resonably secure system. Hopefully they can.

    But it's good to see some things never die, like these articles that try to show Apple the error of their ways.

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    1. Re:Oh nice! I was getting worried! by wizbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod parent up. Why is it everyone thinks they know better when it comes to Apple? I'm sure the guy didn't intend for this to be a Dvorak article, but aren't we talking about a multi-billion dollar company that just completely sold out its initial stock of iPod Minis? Think there aren't a hundred Fortune 500 companies that would love to trade places with Apple? You'd be wrong.

    2. Re:Oh nice! I was getting worried! by Chief+Typist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Normally, I'd agree with this sentiment. But, on page 2 of the article, there were a couple of good ideas.

      One of the barriers for switchers is financial: they have peripherals, software and other things that they won't be able to bring from Wintel to the Mac.

      Adding a financial incentive to switch is, IMHO, much better than the current "it makes your life easier" approach (look at the switcher ads and they all have this common theme.)

      Also, the "test drive" suggestion is really good -- spending some quality time with a Mac is the best way to fall in love with it. The Apple Stores are a great environment to try the product out, but it pales in comparison to the comfort of your living room.

      Such a promotion would also drive foot traffic into the Apple Stores -- always a good thing from a retail point-of-view.

      -ch

    3. Re:Oh nice! I was getting worried! by bwy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent up. Why is it everyone thinks they know better when it comes to Apple?

      Exactly. I mean, you wouldn't write an open letter to Harley Davidson telling them a six step plan to getting a Harley in every driveway in America, would you?

      I think it is great that there is a premimun software and hardware vendor out there like Apple. I see "premium" PC vendors, like Alienware, but they're offering a more expensive version of the same old shit. At least you get premium quality when you pay premium prices with Apple.

  5. Ugh. Just wrong everywehre by jeffgreenberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Price trumps style? How else do you get identified in a crowded marketplace. It's not just external style, but for the last five years the internal design style is something I hear nobody talk about. Make 'em cool and cheap. If there's no style, how can you make them cool? Cheap? How do you stay in business and be cheap? I'm not saying I want them expensive, but if they're viewed as expensive, it's because of poor marketing. USB, Firewire, etc. are all included. Ditch the all-in-one. Simplicity is what new users need...people who need space saved. What is a laptop, except an all in one computer? Sell the soap? Give away a discount on the most popular MP3 player? If you're on top, why would you do such a thing? Soap II. This is the best idea I've heard of. Except of course the people who do return it...leaves you with stock that is difficult to resell. But I do like the idea. People will get upset though, at a restocking fee. Security. This is something apple's marketing misses Really. So, that makes him 1 of 6 in my book.

  6. That's It? by susano_otter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Price trumps style?

    There's nothing new or interesting in the article.

    It's just the same old mantra of cheaper, more modular, etc.

    Jobs would read this, rightly conclude that it's just another tired summary of the market forces and contray opinions he's been aware of and dealing with for his entire career.

    I understand why it's news on Slashdot; I just can't figure out why it would be news anywhere else.

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  7. Test Drive a Macintosh by Lord+Grey · · Score: 4, Insightful
    5) Sell that soap II
    Why not offer all Mac buyers a try-and-buy program much like what some Apple resellers are offering to purchasers of high-end Xserve units. The geeks who fork over $3,000 or so for the Xserve can have a couple of weeks to test-drive these babies, depending on the vendor. If they aren't satisfied, they can return them and get a full refund. That's unheard of in the computer business.

    I believe such a tactic with iMacs and iBooks would play well, too. Show Joe Schmo's ma, who wants to use the PC only to see pictures of her grandson, how much you care about her. Show her how much confidence you have in your products. And aren't they way better looking than a Dell? Everyone already knows what a Mac is, as evidenced by Apple's consistently sky-high brand-recognition ratings. Take it to the next level.

    Way back in the mid-80's Apple sponsored "Test Drive a Macintosh" -- a way to get people to play around with the revolutionary computer. Potential customers took home the computer in a tote bag and got to see everything they would get if they bought it (manuals, OS on floppies, MacPaint, MacWrite). They got to keep the computer for 24 or 48 hours (I forget which). In the little Apple dealership I worked in at the time, it was a huge success. We saw something like an 80% sell-through rate, just from that program.

    So, my gut reflex was that this program would be a good idea. But then again, 2004 isn't the mid-80's. Back then, the program was a great idea because virtually no one knew about Macintosh. Now, you would be hard-pressed to find someone that doesn't know a Macintosh owner. These potential converts already have a "test drive" program: They just go over to their friend's house. And Macintosh owners have no shortage of enthusiasm for showing off their computer....

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    1. Re:Test Drive a Macintosh by CdBee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Macintosh owners have no shortage of enthusiasm for showing off their computer....

      Very true.. and I have to admit that within a few weeks of getting my old iBook, I started taking it with me places when fixing Windows machines as I could use it as a large file and document storage device as well as a machine that wouldnt be taken down when attached to an infected Windows box... and I started passing it to Windows users to give them something to play with while I debug their personal machines. (Always have a distraction prepared while fixing a machine, it discourages silly questions)

      It's unintentional. Perhaps mac-ownerness is the only infectious virus on OSX platform. Either way, I bet Apple's user-base do more for Apple sales than its advertising does. Viral marketing is a powerful force to deply.

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  8. Err... by avalys · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Offer a $200 bounty on a PC exchanged for a new iMac or iBook. Buyers get the $200 discount only if they bring a PC that's two years old or less. And they must have a valid receipt.

    What an stupid idea. All but the crappiest two-year-old computers are still worth more than $200, especially laptops. Only a complete idiot would take advantage of that offer.

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    1. Re:Err... by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You are ignoring the effort numbers. It takes effort to find a buyer for your two year old computer.

      That is why most companies give them to charity - it is easier to do that then to sell them.

      If you go to a computer reseller instead of an end-user, chances are he won't offer you more than $200 for a two year old computer.

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  9. You've argued with a Mac-o-phile right? by Sean80 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm not entirely sure if the author of this article has ever actually sat down and tried to argue to a Mac-o-phile that they should switch over to something else. Take my wife for example. I could tell her that her Mac is the source of every evil in her life, where Osama bin Laden is actually hiding out, and a terrific source of radioactivity which will summarily fry her ovaries, and she still wouldn't listen to anything I say.

    Hence, my critique of these points:

    • 1. See above.
    • 2. Anything which is both cool and cheap at Target is bound to fall apart in less than 2 weeks. It's a basic law of the universe. Plus cool and cheap and Target in the same sentence??
    • 3. I actually have to agree with this one.
    • 4. Umm, see 1. Money just doesn't seem to be a factor for people here.
    • 5. Agnostic.
    • 6. I kind of agree with this, but still can't see even myself switching from a PC to a Mac just for this one thing. Besides, in the total market, how many people are savvy enough to be able to value the risk from Russian hackers at $2000? Certainly not my family.

    My 2c.

  10. Re:Better but not foolproof by MoneyT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Failing of course to realize that for most users (you know, the ones that actualy don't give a shit if they can look at the kernel source) that 1 user that would be wiped out is them. And All of their files. Having the core of the OS means jack shit if all your files are gone. The core can be reinstalled, the files are gone forever.

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  11. He's just another sheep by danaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His first 4 recommendations are basically to be like everyone else:

    1. Make Macs low-margin
    2. Make them "cheap chic" (see #1)
    3. No more all-in-one
    4. Sell high-volume, low-price (see #1)

    So basically, he's another of those people who thinks that, of course, Steve must be trying to maximize his market share at the expense of everything else! And, of course, the best way to do that is to make Macs cheap, like Dells. Because Dell sells a lot of units! ....Which is true. But it's not the point.

    Apple's purpose is not to maximize marketshare but to maximize money. They do that by selling with high margins. Removing the high margins would make Apple unable to function, basically. They are not another assemble and resell outfit. They are not another Dell.

    Why do so few people realize that?

    As for making a headless "iMac," first, that wouldn't be an iMac, and second, that's not what Apple needs. They have a whole bunch of headless machines--what the heck do you think a PowerMac is??? And if I'm not mistaken, the PowerMacs come with iLife installed. So....he wants them to make a PowerMac. Yay! They're already doing that!

    Why do people keep insisting that the way for Apple to dominate the market is to become another low-margin box-assembler? They're doing just fine the way they are. They're not in any trouble. Their stock price is higher than it's been in years--granted, it was higher a couple of weeks ago, but it always rises before and tanks after a major show.

    My six steps for Apple?

    1. Come out with something really cool for the new iMac
    2. Sell it for the same price as the current iMac
    3. Keep doing what you've been doing
    4. Profit
    5. Profit???
    6. Profit!!!

    Dan Aris

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    1. Re:He's just another sheep by belgar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was all for the concept of the headless iMac, until the blatantly-obvious statement occurred to me:

      If they sell headless iMacs, I can put any monitor I want on it.

      Read that again, from the perspective of Apple.

      If we sell headless iMacs, they can put any non-Apple monitor they want on it.

      Fewer profits per unit, fewer $$$ in Apple's pockets...hey, as a consumer I'd rather put my own monitor on my machine, but I also want to add two more -- so I need a headless tower. As an Apple investor (which I also am), I want them to maximize their profitability. They won't do that with $399 headless iMacs.

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    2. Re:He's just another sheep by cowscows · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that just seems to be the way that people think business should be run. Make the prices as low as possible, and do whatever it takes to get those prices down, down, down. Everyone wants stuff as cheap as possible, quality be damned! And then they wonder why companies, Walmart for example, are always trying their best to screw over their employees, and why so much of what they buy ends up being total crap.

      Buisness is about offering a product or a service at a fair price. For a higher quality product or service, the fair price goes up. Cheap, low quality stuff is not the only way to run an economy.

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  12. Step Seven by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ditch the 1-button mouse already! Seriously. It's a cliched criticism, I know, but that makes it all the more inexcusable. Give us a damn scroll wheel, 2 or 3 button mouse.

    Yeah, I can buy one, but I shouldn't have to for what I'm paying. And what about for my Powerbook? $3000 and no means to add a button to the touchpad = annoyed me.

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    1. Re:Step Seven by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All I can say is, if I spend $3000+ on a computer, I better get whatever the hell I want, especially when there are options out there that are under $1000 that aren't $2000 less good.

      Nevertheless, it's hard to see how a 3-button mouse that you can pick up for 20 bucks at Radio Shack could make much difference one way or the other. Even if you're only buying an $800 Mac, that's still only 2.5% of the purchase price.

  13. The man has a point by Macka · · Score: 4, Insightful


    I have a couple of friends (Ely and Annette) who've been brought to their knees with security intrusions into their MS PC. They're both very ordinary people with ordinary jobs and neither of them are particularly computer literate, and treat their PC very much like any other home appliance. They don't read computer publications or news bulletins, so they mostly remain unaware of the latest security holes, only discovering they should have updated something when their PC starts misbehaving.

    They're totally sick of the computing experience they've had so far. So when I popped in to see them one day I took my PowerBook with me and spent a few hours showing them what it could do. They were really impressed, but what totally got their attention was when I told them I didn't need to run any anti-virus software because a) there are no known viruses out the for Mac OS X, and b) the system is inherently more secure than MS Windows by design. Right away they wanted to know where they could get one and how much it would cost.

    (NB: My domain/mail hosting company anti-virus scans all email for me, so I'm still being a good neighbor to my MS using friends)

    I showed them the range, asked them some questions about their budget, and then advised them to get an eMac because that best suited what they could afford. But they didn't want a large CRT based system and were really taken with the iMac design.

    That was 4 months ago. They've still not updated their PC and still haven't' brought a Mac. The reason why? They just can't afford it at the moment. Various other things keep cropping up in their lives and home that stop them from accumulating enough cash to buy the system they want.

    Apple really needs to cut the prices. If they can't do it on existing systems, then they need to produce a bare bones design that can initially be pitched at those people with smaller budgets, and then later expanded and upgraded if people need the extra functionality.

    I'm a Mac switcher of 2 years who has no intention of going back. And I've met SO many people in that time who've never seen a Mac up close before and have left, lusting after mine when they see up close and personal just how good it is. But they're always put off by the perceived high price. I know that you get so much more for your money with a Mac, but it seems difficult for people to relate to that (don't ask me why).

    This is a bullet that Apple are just going to have to bite on if they want to grow their market share some more. Do they have the corporate courage and desire to make this happen? Time will tell, but I sure hope so.

  14. Open letter to Maurizio Parlato by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Insightful
    To: Maurizio Parlato, Ferrari North America CEO
    From: Joe (You know who I am)
    Re: Expanding the Ferrari market

    Dude. You don't sell that many cars. .......

    Here is my "Six Steps to a Bigger Ferrari Market."

    1) Price trumps style in the car market

    I know this may be hard to admit for a guy as innovative and design-conscious as you. But Ferrari charges too much for its cars. The car market's benchmark price level is sinking quickly below the $21,000 mark -- turf where Ferrari has been loath to tread. ....

    2) Make 'em cool and cheap

    You've been to Target (TGT ), right? You probably seen the terrific product designs such as well-known architect Michael Graves' line of stylish housewares -- offered a budget prices. Heck, Blue Light Specials at Kmart (KMRT ) haven't been the same since Martha Stewart's line of kitchen gear, sheets, and towels hit the aisles several years ago. Dumpster-diving debutantes can't get enough of them. Even sportswear designer Mossimo makes great threads for fiscal lightweights.

    We're in the era of cheap chic, Maurizio. And I have no doubt that Ferrari can play that game with the best of them. Give us a really cheap, really cool car, and watch them fly off the lots.

    Comment:Yeah, you should be more like Martha Stewart. I'm sure that Michael Graves is also much more successful than you by selling trinkets at Target.


    3) Ditch the all-in-one mantra

    Your expensive convertable sports cars have never taken off compared to sedans. You should make sedans.

    OK, thats enough you get the point.

    This guy is a fucking idiot.
  15. Re:Use a Mac? by MoneyT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What if my old hardware is a mac? Or, what if I don't want to use my old hardware? Or what if I'm sick of dealing with windows and virus scanners and ad aware and all that bullshit? What if I don't want to have to seach for drivers just so that I can INSTALL linux? What if I'm not a gamer?

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    T Money
    World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
  16. Re:I just can't see it.... by mgahs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love trolls like you...

    It's HARD to upgrade when you want to add a little more zip to the machine.

    What, exactly, would you want to upgrade? RAM? I think it's easier to install RAM on an iMac or eMac than on a PC. I don't have to take the case off my Mac and fumble through ribbon cables to get to my RAM slots, just take the cover off the bottom.

    If something goes wrong (and yes, even Macs go wrong from time to time), my folks won't have a bunch of friends around the corner who know exactly how to fix that problem, or a friend with a CD crammed full of useful little fixer applications.

    I don't want a friend around the corner who "knows computers" to come fix mine. I'd rather have Apple's phone support do it. And considering that Apple has the best support, says Consumer Reports, i'm even more comfortable with them.

    At the end of the day, I just don't see how a Mac can be any less prone to attacks than a PC with Zonealarm, AVG Anti Virus, Firefox and Thunderbird installed.

    Because I don't *want* to have to install ZoneAlarm, AVG, FireFox and Thunderbird? Don't forget Ad-Aware and Windows Update every week!

    I love the fact that I can regularly install little upgrades and bleeding edge software onto my Linux box.

    And you can't do that on a Mac?

    I love the fact that I can check out the code and see exactly what makes it tick.

    Apple has open-sourced it's core OS, not to mention that any UNIX-based apps you have can be installed as well, straight from the tarball.

    I love the fact that if I pay for any of this, it is usually through choice, and a project's little Paypal tip jar. I love the fact that the money I pay is going directly to the developers that write the applications that improve my life, rather than to a company that holds one hand with the RIAA behind it's back

    Just had to get that shot across the bow, right? Well, Apple isn't the only company doing a Music Store, and they're not the only ones who had to deal with the RIAA and license fees. Apple has stated that the artist does get a chunk of money for songs sold.

    ...and in all likelihood, would spend the majority of the cash on developing some nice new injection moulding techniques for the cases, rather than REALLY innovative software (yes yes I know about iTunes - but innovative SOFTWARE rather than just a shiny new UI would be nice. I've been able to play MP3s since before 1995 on my PC)

    Wow, you *really* haven't used a Mac. I can only begin to list the innovative apps that Apple's created: iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, Final Cut Pro, all the way down to iCal, Address Book, Safari and Mail. Each of these apps has so many features that make it more than just your basic app.

    And I smile when I see that Linux desktop share is projected to overtake Apple's within a couple of years.

    Aww, that's cute. Too bad people like your mom and pop won't be those people switching to Linux, they'll be too busy installing FireFox and AVG on their PCs.

    To be honest, I feel that for Apple to succeed, they need to learn how to cut the elitist attitude.

    The elitist attitude comes from knowing exactly what the customer wants then developing a product to fit that need. Example: iPod!

    Stop producing overpriced machines in funky colored perspex!

    eMacs start at $799. Find me a $800 PC with a 17" CRT, USB 2, FireWire, Combo Drive and video editing software, then I shall bow down to you. SuperDrive eMacs start at $1,000, so find me a $1,000 with a DVD-R/CD-RW. Oh yeah, Apple hasn't done colored computers in a while. so you might want to get a new MacMall catalog that's not from 2000.

    Stop loading your desktop PC equivalents with a million and one interfaces that the average Joe will never use.

  17. Re:Apple could change the world today by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In fact, this is so tempting a strategy that we must wonder why they have not already done so. There are some practical factors...

    1. There is a stunning variety of hardware devices out there with no mac os drivers for them. One solution would be a driver compatibiliy kernel plug-in that would let windows or linux drivers work, but this would take some time and effort to get right. Apple should have started on this years ago.

    2. MS invested several hundred million in Apple a couple of years ago, at a dark time in the company's history. I have to wonder if there are some strings to that investment, or similar conditions tied to MS's continued support of Office on macs. If MS pulls the plug on Office for MacOS X, most corporations will stop buying macs. End of story.

    3. Jobs is biding his time because he has some very specific marketing information as to why this would not be a financial success for Apple and is waiting for conditions to change before doing another "bet the company" initiative.

    4. Jobs is just touchy-feely and can't get over his preference to sell actual hardware at $2000 a pop over $100 boxes of Mac OSx86 to 20 times as many people.

    5. Microsoft would use every last employee, dollar, and lawyer to destroy Apple if this were to pass.

    Discuss.

  18. Re:What's wrong with Apple by beattie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you needed outlook that bad, why did you buy a machine that doesnt run outlook. And same thing for quicken or money. If you really wanted to make the mac thing work, get a copy of virtual pc or whatever it's called and run that.

  19. Re:Yeah right by jonathanduty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We now go to somewhere in corporate America:

    BossPerson: Hey IT, our servers got hacked into and a bunch of our customer data has been stolen. There is going to be hell to pay and our customers may take legal action. This is going to cost us a fortune.
    ITPerson: Dang, that sounds bad.
    BossPerson: I bought you those servers you wanted me to buy, they were really expensive. How am I going to explain this to the CEO that I spent all this money and our system got hacked!
    ITPerson: Right, but these are really cool servers, and I've installed all the updates.
    BossPerson: I've got tell them somthing!
    ITPerson: Tell them sometimes things happens.
    BossPerson: I've got a better idea, I'll tell them I'm very dissapointed in my IT team, and I'm going to make sure heads roll, starting with yours, you are fired!

    Yes, people who buy computers care if they can be hacked or not. Management may not undestand server technology, but they do understand that loosing data and server down time costs money

  20. Re:Apple could change the world today by Pastis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once again a day dreamer that knows nothing of consistant business models.

    Apple is a hardware company. They make money of their hardware. iTunes for windows exists solely to sell iPods.

    If they start opening their software, they will kill their primary source of revenue. The same way that Microsoft by enhancing too much IE almost killed its OS service. They were creating a universal thin client, putting in danger their OS business.

    But back to the point. The web is full of articles explaining why this is a bad idea. Read them first. I don't understand how this is rated 3. Moderators should know...

  21. Mac Expert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Wow its amazing how dumb people can be and still be supposed "experts" that write articles. Way to miss the most obvious things Apple should do:

    #1: Market your freakin products.
    #2: Fix your supply issues.

  22. This man is a fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has anyone RTFA? This guy is a complete loon. "If Apple only charged me less, gave me a trade-in on my uselessly outdated PC hardware, didn't charge me until I had had the computer for a while, and didn't try to bundle everything together, they'd be doing much better!"

    No, they wouldn't, you idiot. They'd be dell. Apple's bundling allows them to hide how much they charge for commodities like RAM and hard drives. Their high prices let them survive with a small marketshare (R&D is NOT CHEAP!). This is what makes the company what it is.

    I own an iBook. It cost me $1200 or so. PC laptops are probably cheaper. I would never, in a million years, bother with one. The iBook was worth every dollar because of its fantastic software, ease of programming (yes, that's key for me), reliability, good tech support (remember, you don't just buy an iBook, you buy an Apple), small size, durabilitiy, battery life, and a million other things I won't even mention.

    Apple knows what is best for Apple. They have known what is best for Apple for a long time, which is why they continue to have large amounts of money. This guy does not know what is best for Apple. Of course, looking back, that should elicit nothing but "Duh?"

  23. Good point, but one flaw in logic by mactari · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they dont have much of a market share, so hackers dont spend that much time making viruses for them.

    The lack of viruses was almost bad enough that I thought I should write a virus that'd execute on the Mac just to say we'd had a good one (other than that silly "bootable CD" scare under OS 8-9). It's not like it'd really take any time. Most viruses seem to be ones that people are silly enough to click on in their email to start the infection. You'd have a harder time writing one that exploited a flaw [without taking that extra time finding one, which is where the real genius comes in, of course], but just so that Mac OS X could say there was one, I thought I'd hack a quick REALbasic or Java or Applescript dohicky and "socially engineer" it to look all clickable in an email sent from the infected box. Heck, I get enough free spamable addresses in the spam I get myself these days even finding the first few hundred hosts wouldn't be a problem.

    But your position then is something akin to malaria in someone with sickle cell -- you have to find enough hosts, not only initially but continually, to keep you alive to keep finding more hosts. Without them, you die out.

    How many Mac users themselves have a large percentage of Mac users in their address book? Most of my friends use Windows. Even if I got a few Mac users to click and execute an application-virus, giving me pretty free reign on their system, what are the chances that sending the bugger to every email I could cull off their system would keep the outbreak alive? I've got to think pretty small.

    So there's more to a virus than just lack of hackers -- what's the payout, even for a good virus? Pretty small as long as, as the original post points out, the market share is too.

    Which brings us to...

    If everyone gets the same idea to move to a mac, virus wirters will shift their attention to macs. ... and a good flaw in the OS. You've got two choices to write a good virus, as I've pointed out. Either socially engineer something that looks clickable and start sending out spam, finding enough suckers that click to keep things going, or find a flaw in the OS to exploit to save on social engineering. So either the numbers have to be massively high, as you point out, or you have to have a virus that infects passively, as all the great viruses do.

    I'm not saying the Mac doesn't have these flaws -- nor that it doesn't. But OS X'd have to have the flaw in addition to the market share to really cause the havoc Windows has.

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    It's all 0s and 1s. Or it's not.
    1. Re:Good point, but one flaw in logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How many Mac users themselves have a large percentage of Mac users in their address book?

      I'd say quite a few -- Mac users tend to come in clumps. For example, most people I know personally have a Mac, although quite a few are running OS 9.

  24. Keep this man away from my AAPL by realinvalidname · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bought AAPL at 21, it's at 30 today. Get this dumb-ass away from my portfolio.

    Seriously, every couple of months we get another MBA-bot posting his (never her) Grand Unified Plan for "saving" Apple, usually based on dumb ideas that have already failed (competing against Dell on price - look how well that went for eMachines and Gateway), are failing (tablet PC's do everything users want... really shittily), or are obviously going to fail (taunt virus/worm writers and script kiddies with boasts of Mac's invulerability).

    Enough of the madness. Seven years ago, Wired ran a piece called 100 Ways to Save Apple, most of which were stupid (#76, "Make damn sure Rhapsody runs on an Intel chip"), fucking stupid (#81, "Merge with Sega"), or so fucking stupid it blocks out the sun (#61, "Ink a promotion/development deal with Shaquille O'Neal"). The item that looks best in retrospect is #101: "Don't worry. You'll survive. It's Netscape we should really worry about."

    Slashdot and other sites with a collective IQ greater than that of a turnip should pass on these articles in the future. They're utterly garbage, have been for 20 years, and probably will be in another 20.

    --realinvalidname

  25. Not necessarly by CarrionBird · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Apple gets a good bit of business based solely on image. To people who think that the products they use reflect who they are, Apple has a huge advantage.

    That may be a minority of thier sales, but don't put too much faith in the consumer.

    --
    Free Mac Mini Yeah, it's
  26. Actually by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The key to Apple's success has been integrating both of these things -- user interface and "cuteness" factor. They are both aspects of "design" in the overall sense, and both are reasons for their success. Your teen sister may dig the purple and may just use AIM, but there is no question that her experience of using AIM is more inviting, comfortable, and "fun" for her because of the user interface features that set Macs apart, and not just because of the purple (which actually should be called blueberry I believe...). The color of the computer and the slick user interface -- on the iPod as well as OS X -- are all part of the user experience, and Apple understands this in ways the Wintel world never will.

  27. Re:Self defeating by Jord · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Congratulations!!!

    Statements like that are proof positive that those hard working FUD machines can be successful!

    Don't you feel proud!

  28. Re:Perpetual Marketshare? by polyp2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ask yourself this question...

    Where would Apple be now if it wasnt for OSX?

    My guess is that OSX has redefined the Mac in many ways and opened up new avenues that simply werent viable before. I see Apple growing; and if they dont; open source will keep them alive.

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    Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
  29. PC vs. Apple explained... by DrVikarius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was all laid out in Robert Pirsig's "Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance". (you did read it, didn't you?... Oh well, I understand). PC people (and maybe Linux heads, too) just love to get in there and get their hands dirty trying to get an old British sports car or T-Bird or air-cooled VW to keep on running. Mac people own a sleek Beemer, and wouldn't dream of letting anyone other than factory-authorized techies mess with the thing, no matter what the cost/headache. Both comparisons are equally valid and appropriate in the end.

  30. Macintosh: the ultimate computing machine (tm) by jkujawa · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You know, this guy's a dipshit.
    Not everyone uses a Mac. That's fine. Not everyone drives a BMW, either. You don't see BMW crying because they don't have 90% market share.
    Apple is sitting on a pile of cash, and making Windows look bad. They're doing just fine.

  31. Didn't work for Sun... by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    McNealy would go to convention after convention and other speaking engagements. He would go off on the Microsoft rant, talking about no viruses in Java and go on and on about the evils.

    It did nothing, changed nothing. He lost more and more mindshare until he got bought off to stick around on life support and keep his mouth shut.

    Jobs is smarter than McNealy. He won't push Apple marketshare by basing Microsft security, and he knows it. He will do it by expanding what Apple's are. By going heavily into the portable computing space, making ergonomically pleasing Apple appliances, under the iBook, iPod and other product iMonikers. Video playback, capturing, music players. He knows to become strong, his competition is not Microsoft, but Sony. There is nothing to be gained by jumping on the open source bandwagon, there is much money to be made in licensing content distribution methods.

    If I'm a distinguished engineer at Apple (and I'm not) I would be working on a movie projector that can download films in Quicktime format and display them with the quality of movie film projectors. I hook these projectors up to theater chains with broadband, and start competing with Sony, who invented this technology but only have penetrated a limited market with it.

    But, hey what do I know...

  32. comparing ipods to OSes by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Two back to back paragraphs in this article got substantially different reactions from me:
    You say the iPod, priced from $250 to nearly $500, proves that Apple can charge a premium for superior design. I disagree. What makes the iPod so hot in the consumer market is superior technology -- the first workable user interface on a digital music player. That's the reason why the premium has stuck, not the nifty form factor or funky colors.
    Agreed, basically. Wouldn't have called it the 'first workable interface', but I admit it was better than the others when I last surveyed them.
    Yes, Apple's operating system has some ease-of-use advantages compared to Windows XP. But Windows offers enough convenience for most people at a lower price. That's why it holds such a dominant market share.
    Disagreed; this argument sweeps too much under the rug. When it comes to computers, people are not shopping price and features with the same willingness to jump vendors as they are when shopping mp3 players. If considering a switch from XP to Mac or vise versa, there is a *tremendous* hurdle for mom-n-pop consumers to contemplate regarding whether their existing software will continue to work, whether they'll be able to grasp the similar-yet-different conventions for UI, whether they'll get tech support from passersby, etc.
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    - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
  33. Re:Yes, well if everyone started using Macs... by Drakon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The idea is that we break the monopoly to open space for OS competition. A heterogenious market is less prone to attack-
    if 5% of the world was using linux, 5% using openBSD, 5% using beOS, 5% using plan9, 5% using macOS ...
    a new exploit would affect SOME things, but we would never again see things such as slammer taking down the net

  34. He's got it wrong. by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Price is only one-third of the reason regular people buy PCs over Macs.

    The two others reasons are (1) lack of games, and (2) lack of compatibility with common Windows software and file formats.

    If Mac OS X had something like Wine/WineX, but it was brain-dead simple to set up and worked with like 95% accuracy, AND it were advertised as a key feature of the Macintosh, then people would buy Macs instead of PCs. Unfortunately, the problem is not just that it's a different OS, but that it's a totally different hardware platform as well, so you'll never get something like Wine/WineX running at equivalent PC speed on a Macintosh.

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    Moderator hint: a comment is neither "Flamebait" nor "Troll" if it is true.
  35. The Problem With The Article.... by bfg9000 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... is that it begins with the assumption that Apple needs fixing. It doesn't. Much.

    Apple has a different business model, "building the whole widget". Building the whole widget is pretty incompatible with cutting prices, giving up control, etc etc. They can't change things about themselves without making... changes.... ;-P and the reason people like them is because they are NOT a bargain basement commodity PC systems vendor *cough*You-Know-Who*cough*.

    I think your six points are actually two repeated many ways - "make it cheaper" and "sell it" ....

    Point 1: Price trumps style in the computer market

    If you WANT style, you have to PAY for style. Without the style, Apple is just a little Dell. Buy a Dell if you want cheap. You will be happy with the bang-for-the-buck.

    Point 2: Make 'em cool and cheap

    Didn't You just say this?

    Point 3: Ditch the all-in-one mantra

    Buy a PowerMac. The $5,000 kickass flatpanel definitely is not included in the PowerMac price, if that's what you want. Is this a sideways way to say "Make 'em cool and cheap?" But more importantly to Apple's marketshare, Apple should allow users to customize their laptops A LOT MORE. I've never SEEN Gigabit ethernet, I don't have any Bluetooth, Firewire, or USB2 devices, I don't use my 56K modem, etc. BUT I PAID FOR ALL OF IT. Like "Linux is only free if your time is worthless", "Apple prices are only competitive IF YOU WOULD HAVE BOUGHT ALL THAT BUNDLED CRAP ANYWAY". I wouldn't have, I could have slimmed my PB down to $1000 by cutting out the features I don't use, don't want, and weigh down my computer unneccessarily.

    Point 4: Sell that soap
    Point 5: Sell that soap II
    Point 6: Sell security

    You got it right there. Apple should do something to get their name --no, not their name, their -product- out there. Believe it or not, the most overhyped company on the planet is still basically unknown to many people. Everybody knows how COOL and TRENDY Apple is, but people don't even know they have icons and a mouse (I'm not kidding, the people at work ask me what it cost me to get the internet for my PowerBook). But to know them (the product) is to love them, so it basically sells itself once I reassure people Apples don't have many hidden flaws. "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is..." except in this case. They ARE very good, depending on who you are and what you're doing with it. But yes, Apple certainly blew it by not having ads showing off OS X. I mean, just 30 seconds of the Dock maximizing as you roll your mouse* over it is worth 2% of the market.

    Now, I'll be the first to admit that as a user, there are some things about Apple that piss me off -- namely, the other Apple users. But lowering the price on a Mac will only open the floodgates to loserdom, and the day I see a Mac in a trailerpark is the day I'm buying a Dell.

    And I will run Linux on that Dell, just because I can. And because it seems nobody else can. There's a built-in IQ cutoff point below which running Linux is not permitted. That makes Linux even cooler, more 733T, and less trailerpark-friendly than the Mac is.

    * The crippled Apple One-Button Mouse should not be shown on tv, as it is the computer equivalent of a one-legged handicapped semi useless single-buttoned mindless POS and a glaring example of Apple's stubborn insistence that the masses are wrong and Steve is right. Don't show that on tv. It's bad. And yes, I know I can buy a USEFUL mouse, but I and everybody else will complain until you can get it as an option on your PowerBook. See my notes on Point 3.

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    I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."

  36. step-by-step idiocy by ndunn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1 - price trumps style
    The only reason to lower your price-point is to increase market penetration or that higher volume more than makes up for the price-difference. I doubt that either of those is going to happen, as the volume has been pretty consistent for the last 5 years or so (~3%) with gains occurring slowly.

    Dell gets away with lower price-point because they aren't developing major software, and they have their suppliers by the balls.

    2-Make 'em cool and cheap
    That's way the iPod has only penetrated 40% of the market? This reminds me of all of the ugly-ass laptops that followed the Apple laptops, where all of the cool design stopped at the meaningless plastic add-ons on the case.

    With apple you do pay more, but you pay for value.

    3-Ditch the all-in-one mantra
    I agree that the iMac may not be the hottest seller in the world, but I think that its just crazy to suggest that this has somehing to do with the all-in-one mantra. I mean, Apple BROUGHT BACK the eMac, which I am assuming is still selling strong.

    The reason IMHO for poor iMac sales are that they don't really fit into any niche. Its like a high-powered laptop without the capabilities of a laptop, or all thepower of the desktop machines. However, their footprint is nice. 200K units/quarter, though, isn't bad for a machine that hasn't seem major upgrades.

    I think that sales in all-in-ones will continue to wane, however, as it becomes more attractive for scales to by inexpensive iBook's.

    4-Sell that soap
    WTF? Awesome, just throw away money. Its more than a bit insulting to anyone who needs to use a M$ box, as well, or who wants/needs a separate Linux box?

    5-Sell that soap II
    If you don't know the advantage of buying the Xserve's you probably shouldn't be buying one. I'm not exactly sure what type of "tests" you would be running, as installing a pseudo-server is a major endeavor/commitment.

    6-Sell security
    I think that 95% of the posts already allude to this.

    I can't believe I read this. I can't believe I wasted my time writing this.

  37. Re:While there is also some part sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We don't know how long the latest crop of Macs are going to last-- but they're becoming outdated at a more rapid pace than ever. There wasn't a really significant increase in G3 or G4 speed for years, but in the last 18 months they've exploded.

    There's also the matter of the radically changing designs. A PC notebook from 2001 doesn't look so out of place today. A clamshell iBook or a Pismo-- or even a TiBook, for that matter-- looks hideously out of date. Ditto for the Slate G4's and CRT iMacs. Even the LCD iMac is starting to look a little dated. The actual computer may be built to last-- but Apple wisely knows that their largely fashion and design conscious userbase will want to trade up with every radical design change.

  38. 3 steps for telling apple what to do by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this is probably too late to be posting this, but here goes:

    Step 1: State that Apple's small market share is a sure sign of impending doom.

    Step 2: Suggest that apples competitors have the right idea and that Apple should also make low cost, shitty computers that crap out in a couple months just like everyone else.

    Step 3: Complain that apple won't sell you a really cheap computer like you want them to, point out several other complains that make shitty products and again state that Apple should do the same.

    I've been hearing this crap like this for more than 10 years, and I'm only 22. I can't believe that pompous assholes like this continue to believe that they know how to run the company better than Apple. People are always complaining "why can't I buy an Apple for the price of a Packard Bell/ Compaq / Dell?". I'll tell you why, those companies make shitty computers and Apple makes quality computers, that's why. And you know what? Apples plan worked a lot better than did Packard Bells or Compaqs(both bought out when they hit hard times). That fact is that business plan only works until everyone has bought one and realized how crappie the computers are. I'm sure that Dell will eventually suffer the same fate, I know about a dozen people that have Dells, and none of them are happy with their purchase. On the other hand, Apple users love their computers, and will continue to be loyal to the Apple brand as long as they live. To bad they only replace their computers every 5 years or so.

  39. People don't get it by mkiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's not about marketshare! Apple is a business, and so long as a business makes profit they are in business. Why sell low margin (i.e. $499 PC crap) when you can sell less and get the same amount of money?

    Apple isn't playing to the masses anymore. They've realized this and are now exclusively niche targeters. Once one niche is saturated with Macs, Apple targets the next.

    Take the photoshop, biotech, scientific computing, pro video, pro audio, and pro visual effects crowds. Alias came out with Maya unlimited for mac because they believe there is a large market in the Mac sector for it. Apple is slowly drawing niche markets that will probably be unwilling to switch from a *NIX operating system to windows.