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Software Companies - Merge or Die?
pillageplunder writes "This article in Businessweek points out that large software companies like Siebel, BMC and Veritas are all warning that 2nd quarter results would be lower, and predicts a shakeout. According to the article, 'Investment bankers say half of the sector's 600 publicly traded companies are likely to be eliminated.' Ouch!"
Oh...wait....
It is more than just BSD who is dying!
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My god this man can Spin! Sirrah, have you ever considered a career in political campaign management?
Once that happens, won't that mean about 75% of publicly traded companies will be gone since the dot com bust? A second round, I guess.
I hope the company I work for never goes public. I'd rather stay small and slightly profitable than get a whole bunch of money and blow it.
Since stock analysts are the guys who really run the show with publicly traded companies, one has to wonder why anyone listens to them when it comes to software anymore?
Seastead this.
in mature industries you can count members with the fingers of your hands
At least we're keeping Pud busy... ;)
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Without competition software will just get worse, with no need to improve.
Large companies have a tendency to acquire smaller companies and keep them as a separate department, but they inevitably get phased out over time and absorbed into the larger entity. How many people really want to deal with the software giants past a point?
Why don't companys just change their values instead of trying to screw people? There was an article about bad customers on slashdot earlier and I think a bigger problem is poor treatment of customers. Seriously look at all the marketing where there are large rebates instead of just marking the product down to a more reasonable rate. All the rebates done hoping the people won't be able to collect on them later. This isn't exactly friendly business. Large companies who's values are supposed to be integrity and people are firing their workers and trying to cut every corner just to raise their own stock options. Wouldn't it be better business to make better products and hire people from the countries that you are selling to instead of making products that break and sending your money to other countries. Aren't large companies in effect draining the economy that they are trying to tap with their current business plans? I think business should just try to do a few things to improve their products. 1)Make things right the first time. I can't tell you how many companies I've stopped buying from cause their products are flawed. 2) Value people. Give friendly customer support and stop trying to give every excuse in the book not to work. If you offer a warrenty you should honor it for everyone and not just big business.
Its going to be ugly in software. 75% of firms are on borrowed time.
Open-source is the Japanese motorcycle industry. At the moment, we're about where motorcycles were in the late 1970s - they're pretty good, and they work and work well. But we haven't reached the Honda CG125 (a million pizza-delivery boys can't be wrong), or the mighty mighty Fireblade, yet...
Funny that Veritas would be one of those mentioned. Their software is overly cumbersome, they have a poor selection of information online, the cost of support has increased every year. Unfortunately, there isn't much in the way of competition- they have a lot of features that nobody else offers.
I keep forgetting my place. Jesus is for losers. Why do I still play to the crowd?
Blame all than open source/free software out there.
If a software company want to survive, it must try with a different business model. Maybe based on service/support and not just licences.
-- When did Ignorance Become a Point of View?
Don't ever make your company public. Once you do, it stops being a company and instead a money-collector. Instead of a commercial entity which produces (hopefully) a superior product, you are controlled by people who more than likely don't give a rat's ass about what is made, unless it's money. This is the problem, they don't care how the money is made, so they'll press for cutting corners at every opportunity, and make a prime target for "mergers". Mergers are just an excuse to cut even more corners, by taking advantage of economy of scale. However, once one player in the field does this, the others must follow or be eaten up. Thus is perpetuates until we reach a number of large companies which are too large and bloated to react to demand and conditions, and fudge the books, or stifle innovation in order to keep what rightfully should be a corpse alive. True innovation will always be carried out by dedicated individuals or small groups, possibly in a private company, but these large ones are just disasters waiting to happen.
Good, go, that means there will be more jobs for those of us who are both qualified AND actually like what we do...
Sometimes I wonder if some of the trouble the IT industry got into was when IT became the highest-earning after-graduation major at many colleges. I was in college in 2000 and I saw many students who just plain did not understand their computer at all trying to learn how to be an IT geek just in hope of the money... it wouldn't surprise me that such people are now moving on to the next big thing now that IT isn't so hot anymore.
I really have a tough time relating to an article that has to explain that IT is an accronym for info-tech. Stupid analysts are just guessing anyway, half of software companies being gobbled up seems a bit overstated.
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In general large software companies are, for lack of a better word evil. They produce inferior products at criminally high prices, industry rates for ASP development are still at $200 - $300 / hr, MS spends 300k per year per employee. The developers are certainly not getting most of this money and the clients certainly not getting good work or code for these horrendous rates. The large software companies produce the poor products and rely on slick marketing to the sell their products to ill technically informed clients/managers. These companies seems to use the strategy of charge the client as much as possible, pay the developers as little as possible, both client and developer get screwed, managemeent gets rich for nothing. I think its a good thing many of these companies are going away, its just their scam is over. Its not that people don't need software, its that the're tired of getting ripped off for it. I believe that these companies are just being replaced or put out of business by small companies and individual developers working directly for non-tech clients. Its the big US companies that have been the most enthusiastic about replacing US workers with H1-B's outsourcing etc, small companies tend to use better quality, long term local talent. Anyhow this seems like the trend I've seen. Due the large availibilty of developers, cheap bandwidth, cheap hardware, and free development tools/platforms, its seems like the large companies are going to have ahard time, but I think this will be better in the long run for both developers and clients/users. M
It's an interesting comparison between Japanese innovation and quality control in motorcycles and open source in software but aren't you missing one huge disconnect? The Japanese approached innovation with a single-minded, extremely rigourous and well thought out approach to making quality affordable. Linux currently has no focus, no rigour and isn't well thought out. Where the Japanese found the set of qualities that made their products universally accepted, Linux is busy finding the qualities that make it accepted for infinite variety. The two examples might end up with the same market results but it won't be through the same process. In fact, the first Linux company that acts like the Japanese will likely have more success than all the other OS developers together.
My old company (a hardware company) just sold off its software division to another software company. Bottom line is that nobody was/is buying, and the budgets for multi-million software deals just aren't materializing.
For the past 4 years companies have been forced to tighten/halt their IT spending, and they may still be saying "if we could last the last 4 years with our current software, perhaps we can last a few more..."
"The market alone cannot provide sufficient constraints on corporation's penchant to cause harm." -- Joel Bakan
Here's an idea.... INNOVATE or die. Companies merging is not part of the capitolistic system. The idea is that you produce good enough products that enough people will pay to get them. Merging is just the corporate pyramid scheme.
Just as Time Warner how great their merger with AOL worked out...
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Maybe the mergers will lead to more jobs, but my guess is that most mergers will be followed by layoffs (and possibly more overseas outsourcing).
The hemorraging of outsourced jobs will stop once the first big security problem arises. Be it, proprietary code stolen, trojan horse inserted (perhaps by a foreign government), etc. Unfortunately, it'll take something of this magnitude to make companies realize that the short-term dollars saved in outsourcing will cose them long-term when the real problems arise.
If you're selling stuff to casemodders and gamers, hardware is a great business to be in, but in business... except for a few areas like the art department... it's impossible to buy a computer that isn't much much faster than you really need. I've got a 2.something GHz PC in my desk, and all I run on it locally is a browser, Lotus Notes, a word processor, and source code editors. All the shiny new hardware is back in the dinosaur pen... oh, they're smaller and faster dinosaurs, but from the point of view of the user or the developer it's not that far from writing SQL to run on a mainframe to display data on a 3270 and writing SQL to run on a webserver to display data on a web browser.
And nobody sees the shiny new hardware in the dinosaur pen, it's just there. You'll be able to sell people desktop upgrades for a while yet, but pretty soon the days of coming up with new bloated software to force hardware sales will be over.
So, from my perspective, "hardware is a necessary evil". New hardware means new platforms to support, new incompatible sets of drivers to deal with. Even if the hardware's cheaper upgrading costs enough you might was well stick with the hardware you already have that's paid off... it's "free". And this is increasingly becoming the prevailing opinion... our desktop replacement rate is way down.
The days when hardware was exciting are essentially gone. One computer is much like another, back in the server room, and one PC on the desktop is pretty much like another... even if it's faster, it's hard to tell because the newtork and the server are the real bottlenecks. The only reason people around here care much about PC upgrades these days is they're handing out nice flat panel displays when you get a new PC.
Sorry, but the self-destruction of the software industry has almost nothing to do with presidential politics. It is largely the result of the life cycle of the industry itself.
/.ers routinely deride this concept.
Most of the big software companies existed because their was a perception that the companies were building up equity in intellectual properties.
As OSS is set against the corporate (capitalist) software industry, it seems that threads like this should be entirely about celebration...and the big question should be about how to coerce failing software firms into liberating their source code into the public domain as they close their ledgers and dispense any remaining funds to shareholders.
The real problem is not that software companies will continue to fail, but that they are leaving large numbers of customers with closed systems and no support.
Please, don't misunderstand, bashing Bush for any negative news is desirable. But, I really can't see how Bush is responsible for the natural life cycle of an industry. It also seems strange to be blaming someone for the failure of a business model that OSS opposes.
I agree that it is wise to blame one's enemies for the necessary outcome of one's actions. I certainly don't want to be blamed for follow programmers losing the livelihood, but isn't the fall of corporate giant software firms the goal of a free software movement?
The failing businesses were all founded on that strange IP model that OSS rejects. The failing companies were built on the assumption that they were building an abstract thing called IP, and that they were re-investing this IP to create more IP.
Bush and his cronies were in the lead in trying to defend this IP.
It seems strange to blame Bush for not succeeding in stopping the outcome of what we desired to happen....the fall of corporate owned software. It seems to me that if you are against IP, then this article should be a cause for celebration.
...these "investment" bankers are the same toads which suggested Timer-Warner merge with AOL and the many other content & distribution companies which are all now being sold off in pieces (i.e. DE-merged).
As such, I hope these software companies ignore this "advice". These bankers are proven investment moron in it for themselves and their greedy friends.
The only benifit to this might be we'll be able to see some more perp walks on CNN.
Rich...
Consolidation is only natural among relatively "young" business sectors ("economic history" is rife with examples). With the proliferation of companies in the sector, overlapping product offerings, finite market size and the struggle to offer REAL value propositions to customers it's rather inevitable.
;-) ).
Now if you add the unique trends that are pressuring this sectors consolidation like Open-source and "off-shoring" it's rather a surprise it's taken this long for the media to recognize it. Let's face it the software sector has grown bloated and in a lot of cases has lost touch with customers needs. A good "shakin-up" is just the ticket for improved quality and reasonable margins (re: pricing).
It's a great strength of capitalism that the market eventually will grab a shovel and bash in the heads of those companies whose demise will lead to better value for the customer (well that's the theory anyways
Sigh. Time for business 101...
Giving out rebates that customers don't cash increases your profit.
Large companies market themselves as valuing integrity because it plays well with sucker^H^H^H^Hcustomers and increases your profit.
Making better products is expensive. It lowers your profit. Especially since people will buy pretty much anything anyway.
Hiring people from countries where you market your products is expensive and therefore lowers your profit. What's more some of them are educated and troublesome and have silly ideas like unions and workplace security.
Draining the economy is ok because this is long term, long term is in the future, the future doesn't exist. What is important is maximising your profit.
Making things right the first time means spending on R&D. R&D is expensive and may not yield results. A dubious business move.
Friendly customer support is expensive. It requires qualified support people who are expensive. This is not acceptable. It hurts profits.
Warranties are not good for business. They hurt profit. They cost money and divert customers from buying a new product.
That's it for today class, for next week, please write a business plan to privatize a major world religion. Consider going public after two years and buying your two major competitors after four.
Please leave in an orderly fashion.
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The hemorraging of outsourced jobs will stop once the first big security problem arises.
Ha. Cisco already had their code stolen via their Chinese coders, and they aren't the only company with problems. If you read the trade rags like InfoWorld and ComputerWorld, you know that the CxOs say that the danger to security and IP in offshoring IT work is just another cost of doing business. Then they say they can't do anything about it because all their competitors are doing the same thing. It's just hollow talk, and it's all about the short-term money. Never overestimate the intelligence of a CEO.
Expect large coverups and wild finger pointing to protect the management's butts when the stuff hits the fan, nothing more. When B of A gets 0wned, I expect to hear the CEO say, "But our IT workers never warned us about this, so I'm firing every American IT worker we still have." The financial pundits will love it, tout it on TV as new cost savings, and the stock will go up some more. The management will get bonuses. The B of A customers will be screwed. Same old stuff.
The notes section of ESR's Magic Cauldron has a wonderful comment that suggests that since programmers and support staff appear on the books as a liability, expanding by hiring more staff is a net loss. However, the aquisition of another software company, which is primarily valuable because it is a bunch of other programmers and support staff, is seen as an investment on the books.
It all seems so bizarre that the factory model treats software as if it has some sale value, when it's really the service provided by the programmers and support staff that has real value. In this topsy turvy way of looking at things the accounting systems artificially encourage mergers rather than increasing staff because the former appears as growth, while the latter appears to be a loss.
All of this is why we end up with huge companies that produce mostly shelfware with a point upgrade cycle that is not backwards compatible so that customers are forced to keep sending in money or be abandonned. An honest service model would be much better for everybody.
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I am thinking that all of these large corporations are using this P2P scare to their advantage. Music industry, Movie industry, and the Software Industry are all having " huge problems because of people stealing their products". I believe the MPAA reported something in the range of a billion dollars for overall profit in the industry last month, a new record gross. Yet they are doing poorly? Software companies now must merge? looks like a good excuse to form a bunch of microsofts aka trusts(fat cash cows with no inovation, no competition, and nicely equiped with a perfect scape goats) but digitizable industries are building up resentment and "statistics" all in line for congresses upcoming legistlation against P2P software. ...well, either that or open source software is just plain cleaner, cheaper, and more inovative that anything they could ever accomplish, and is becoming more and more availible to the "user". Either way everyone needs to stop feeling sorry for thes companies, they are just getting their "come upins". Especially the turd that won't flush: figting all the way down(microsoft)