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RFID More Hackable Than Retailers Think?

Iphtashu Fitz writes "Lukas Grunwald, a senior consultant with DN-Systems Enterprise Solutions GmbH, is warning retailers that the RFID technology that they are quickly adopting can easily be hacked with the appropriate tools. Grunwald has written a program called RFDump which lets you read and display all metadata within an RFID tag and also modify the user data using a text or hex editor. He wrote this program to demonstrate how consumers can protect themselves by wiping out RFID data after purchasing a product but he acknowledges that it would be trivial to abuse this behavior. What, you might ask, can you do if you hack an RFID tag? Well as the technology is adopted more widely a thief could conceivably mark down the price of an expensive piece of jewelry before paying for it at an automated checkout counter, underage hackers could purchase alcohol or adult movies, and pranksters could simply reprogram the inventory of an entire store by just walking up and down the isles. 'The people who will be using this (shopkeepers) don't know much about technology,' Grunwald warned."

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  1. No Tech is safe by KD5UZZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can anyone point out a new technology that was 'safe' when it was first deployed? It seems that every new technology has some security defect, or some other flaw. This reminds me of DirectTV smart cards.

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    1. Re:No Tech is safe by Chexum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, but umm, what prevents me now relabeling the bar codes in a store? And it's not that high tech either..

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    2. Re:No Tech is safe by Sique · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fact, that relabelled barcodes are quite good to spot even for an untrained eye.

      Reprogrammed RFID-Chips are not to spot without the proper equipment. And if you use the self checkout lane, there is no one to spot anything except the machine which is programmed to look solely at the RFID chips.

      A way to prevent some misuses would be to ask the customer to scan at least the bar code too, so the check out machine can do a match between the RFID information and the bar code information. But THEN your argument holds true that the fraudulent customer could also relabel the good before going to the check out. A label scanner is not able to difference between a printed on bar code and a bar code that got stuck on by someone.

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    3. Re:No Tech is safe by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's simple. instead of using the expensive reprogrammable rfid tags you use the cheaper PROM rfid tags.

      you set them once and they stay that way forever.

      The story is nothing but high brow FUD.

      not all RFID tags are the rewriteable type. most are the single write read many variety. and nothing is to stop a manufacturer like coke from ordering their rfid tags preprogrammed. not every can of coke needs a different tag. (just like hoe they dont have different barcodes on them.

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    4. Re:No Tech is safe by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...not every can of coke needs a different tag.

      It depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you're attempting to take inventory by using RFID tags, having a product ID and serial number in the tag is a good thing. You can wave the reader around a shelf and know how many cans of Coke you have in six packs, 12 packs, 20 oz, etc (each different form factor would have a unique product ID).

      Similarly, a drink machine could contain a reader coil around the inside of the refrigerated box that could poll the contents of the machine and set prices accordingly (today I have 20oz Coke bottles - they're $1. The Red Bulls are $2, etc). The machine could also 'call home' when a particular item runs low. There are lots of reasons to have unique IDs on otherwise identical products.

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    5. Re:No Tech is safe by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes rubbish.

      Its a TAG which contains METAdata, not data.

      It does not contain item prices or consumer behavior. Its an ID for crying out loud. the actual ID number is fixed and not changeable. Plus most have a crypto mode, which can be locked on permanantly. Once locked, the data can still be changed, but you need the special key and whatnot, which means you need to break the encryption. Its not trivial.

      The space on the tag is used for identification purposes ONLY. The tracking is done by a database elsewhere.

      We be tagging whales and wild animals for years, but you dont put the info in the tag, you put it in a database, duh.

    6. Re:No Tech is safe by Zab+UvWxy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Says who? Most, if not all, of the larger grocery stores (at least, up here in Canada) have self-checkout stations, where you scan your own purchases and pay for them all by yourself.

      Unless there's a problem getting a particular item to scan, you can go through the whole process without speaking to a store employee once.

      If you're going to go changing the bar codes, though, you can't make it too obvious; they might clue in that the $25 package of steaks should not be scanning in as $0.49 green onions.

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    7. Re:No Tech is safe by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no no no...

      the 16oz cans all need the same RFid tag exactly how they do it right now with barcodes.

      then have different rfid tag's for the case package.

      Stores then can see that johnny-public bought a item that has a Case identifier tag and 12 can identifiers... making one complete case of coke.

      serializing is still simple and is part of the manufacturing process in most chips anyways.

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    8. Re:No Tech is safe by Elecore · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Also, the self checkout lines double check your items by weight. So if you scan your steaks as onions, it's going to see that your steaks weigh a lot more than the onions should and notify the person on duty.

    9. Re:No Tech is safe by Zab+UvWxy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess that would depend on the type/model/manufacturer of the self-checkout kiosk; with the ones that Dominion and Zehr's use (don't know the manufacturer), scanning the UPCs does not require putting the individual item on the scale/scanner.

      However, I just realized that you may indeed be right; the area where you put the items into bags is also weighed (if you don't put an item in a bag, or if you remove one, the kiosk knows and will bitch about it).

      I guess it boils down to how well the store's product database has been populated, if they bothered to put all the weights in for each UPC.

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    10. Re:No Tech is safe by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here in Massachusetts, I've seen self checkouts in the following locations:

      BJ's Wholesale
      Home Despot
      Shaw's or Stop & Shop (Grocery)

      All of these have their pro's and cons.

      Of all the one's I've used, I like the BJ's ones the best. The only con I've seen with them is that intervention is needed for really heavy and really light items.

      The Home Despot ones are fine, provided you are buying small items. Attempting to self checkout 60lb bags of quickcrete or a dozen 2x4's would probably cause you problems.

      I've found the Shaw's ones to be utterly infuriating at times. I think this maybe because I'm an atypical American who actually eats lots of fruits and vegetables. Anything with a bar code goes through fine, the problem is when you put a bunch of grapes up on the scale and then have to either enter the code that's on the grapes or go through a list of produce and choose it. Needless to say, I go out of my way to find produce that has codes on them... Trying to sort through a list of produce and choose the right one sucks. Especially if your like me and you really don't pay too much attention to the actual name of the produce, I just look at a cart of apples, look at the price, and if I like the price and they look good I'll pick a couple up. Then I get to the check out and I'm presented with a dozen different varieties of apples to choose from. I do think that maybe my bitching has paid off a bit in that now they at least show a picture of what you've chosen. Still though, if a store is carrying 4 varieties of green apples it isn't going to help much.

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    11. Re:No Tech is safe by whorfin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This kind of relabeling was happening before there were barcodes or scanners of any kind in common use. When I was in high school, and working in a grocery, some unscrupulous customer had pilfered one of the pricing sticker guns while the stock clerk wasn't looking. They apparently used it to reprice some stuff cheaper, but when the cashier noticed that some expensive stuff rang up way too cheap...busted!

      There was also the case of a cashier who rang up expensive meats for her friends at a fraction of the stickered price. She, too was busted.

      In both of these cases, an expert human witness was required to determine that 'something wasn't right', which the machine couldn't do on its own.

      This boils down to a question of trust and costs. Which costs more: to employ the humans who can correlate correct pricing and to eat the losses caused by insider corruption, or to eat the losses associated with automation failures and exploits?

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  2. Reprogramming by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and pranksters could simply reprogram the inventory of an entire store by just walking up and down the isles

    What quicker way to make life insanely difficult for a retailer who forces the use of these things upon customers.

    How much would it cost to re-manualise their systems if they keep on just losing track of the info in their RFID tags. Hw many would even bother after the 2nd time.

    Looks good

    1. Re:Reprogramming by dmayle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry to say, but this is where the Patriot Act will come into play. You'll be marked as a "domestic terrorist" (basically anyone violating federal law) in no time, and then it's Go Directly To Jail, Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200.

  3. Its easy by kunjan1029 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i dont think anyone could mark down stuff. because the price is not stored in the RFID itself. its a seperate database that matches with the product code. but yeah the thief might be able to change the product code to another cheap product. and thereby acheive the same thing

    just my 0.02

    1. Re:Its easy by rokzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      no, that is NOT the same thing.

      if the description doesn't fit the checkout assistant won't allow the sale.

      if you use an automated checkout, then why bother even changing it? you won't have the correct item on your receipt so no proof of purchase if stopped by security.

      all it would allow is you to claim someone else did it if you get caught. but if you have the RFID writer on you that won't work. you'll have to get rid of it but with security cameras everywhere that won't necessarily work.

    2. Re:Its easy by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're not thinking about this right.

      Marking it down doesn't mean marking THAT item down, it simply involves making one item look like another.

      For example... if you program a $50 shirt to look to the scanner like a $14 shirt, instant discount.

      What would be funny though is a pack of balloons being remarked as a package of condoms or some other such amusing change of ID.

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    3. Re:Its easy by Asic+Eng · · Score: 4, Insightful
      all it would allow is you to claim someone else did it if you get caught. but if you have the RFID writer on you that won't work.

      So you have an accomplice do the remarking, he walks out after purchasing a chocolate bar, then it's your turn with the expensive stuff. Or you just go into the store twice, once with the RFID writer, and once to collect the stuff.

    4. Re:Its easy by 53cur!ty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bravo! Correct you are!

      No search can be performed and then it will be by the Police. They won't search you unless they arrest you first (for shoplifting). More to the point the store will have to prove you or your accomplise mismarked the items, near impossible unless you confess.

      More to the point, why would we warn the retailers of this flaw in the system they have spent millions to create?

      Are these the same people that go shopping and then tell Management they can't believe how low their prices are so they will raise them?!

      I'm not advocating stealing here but believe in natural selection. If WalMart, et al, is so stupid as to pay [b|m]illions to have a system developed that has such a gaping hole let them pay the price.

    5. Re:Its easy by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if the description doesn't fit the checkout assistant won't allow the sale.

      You have never really been IN a big store, have you?

      You walk up to the counter at Target or Wal Mart.
      You hand the checkout person the MP3 player you want to buy. It's an ABC corp 512 meg MP3 player with inegrated everything, $300.

      However, you have switched the RFID codes with the ABC Corp's *bottom* end product, a 32 meg crap Mp3 player @ $14.99.

      The checkout person (9 times out of 10 a new immigrant who probably can't read english all that well anyway) looks at item, it says "MP3 player" on the side. Maybe somewhere on the package is the code XBWU3214114CMP3512X. The RFID tag talks to the cash register, and the checkout person glances at it and it says "MP3 Player, ABC Corp, prod XBWU3111234DMP3032X $14.99"

      Yeah, that checkout person's going notice. SURE.

      Products without on-package pricing
      + low paid checkout staff
      + easily-hacked RFID
      = my money's going to go a LOT further.

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  4. circle by Outsider_99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Doesnt everything go like this? Im sure they will find a solution to the problem... then a new hack will come out... then a solution will come out...

  5. W-O-R-M by usefool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it possible to make RFID write once read many? So the product info is in the tag, and price/special/discount is cross-referenced with a database.

    Is there any advantage for embedding prices in the tag?

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    1. Re:W-O-R-M by will_die · · Score: 4, Informative

      They don't do the price, they do a product code. The product code is read in at the checkout counter and compared to the database to get the price. same with barcodes currently being used.
      In addition each rfid has a unique number, which cannot be changed. If the store wanted to they could record thoses individual numbers instead of the product code and that would solve the problem. However that would be a major problem, since instead of having a single product code for 1000 items you now have to store thoses 1000 item in the database.

    2. Re:W-O-R-M by Jesrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Would it be possible to overlay a forged signal when the tag is interrogated, if I'm standing close enough from the reader ?

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    3. Re:W-O-R-M by gd23ka · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This question deserves both: to be modded up and an answer.

      First of all, there are no widely adopted international standards for RFID but there is work on ISO 18000, so it all depends on whether your reader/forger supports a given tag's vendor protocol.

      The next problem is that RFID systems can operate at different frequencies, the most common ones are 125KHz - 148KHz, high at 13.56 MHz, UHF 850-915MHz and even at 2.45 GHz in the ISM band.

      The tags that will be used in retail at automated checkout counters all have a scheme for preventing tag-collision that occurs when tags respond simultaneously to the reader. In order to hide a $800 digital cam-corder the following would have to happen:

      You bring the forger into the store and operate it where it is not in view of the many security cameras staring at you

      You research the store for a low price article that matches within tolerance what the cam-corder weighs. What that tolerance is,will be open to your own research. Setting the forger to lowest sensitivity / lowest transmit power you read the RFID data of the low-price article. Make double sure the data you read is from the low-price article and not from one of the thousands of tags surrounding you.

      The low-price article may have individual identifying RFID data that must NOT be scanned at the checkout counter, not even after you and maybe your helper have left the store (Remember the security cameras, they could potentially match up your face at the automatic checkout with the article!). Also, again if the RFID data uniquely identifies the article another customer could take it to the automatic checkout and the system could mark the article as already sold in its database meaning you can't purchase it in lieu of the cam-corder. You must disable / destroy the low-price article's RFID tag either physically or with the forger.

      You set the forger to the lowest sensitivy / lowest transmit power to read out the RFID data of the cam-corder. Make sure you get the right RFID data because you will be surrounded by tons of RFID tags. (BTW, it may be safer to read out the RFID data of the cam-corder you want one day and maybe have someone else get it the next day, but if you do that then make sure you mark the box some way that you or your helper takes the right cam-corder to the checkout. This may be because each cam-corder may have unique RFID data).

      You take the cam-corder to the checkout and flip the forger into forge-mode. The forger monitors the radio communication at the reader forcing the transmission of the low-price article's RFID data utilizing the vendors tag-collision protocol to quiet the cam-corders tag. After transmitting the low-price article RFID data the forger jams the reader making the automatic checkout believe this is the only article being presented for purchase.

      Complete the purchase with cash or with credit/debit cards not linked to you.

  6. Never thought I'd be "working" at Walmart... by C3ntaur · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...but I'd love to walk their aisles with something like this in my pocket and do my own price rollbacks!

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  7. Crypto? by sk6307 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not simply store only a cryptographically secure (signed) random unique value on the tag itself, and keep all the other data somewhere else that all the legitimate readers are connected to?

    With a simple database, this is not a problem, since it is computationally infeasable to forge a signature like that.

    1. Re:Crypto? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not that easy. You could still copy the info from one tag to another. Even if all tags contain info encoded with different seeds: When the duplicate "message" arrives at the reader, thereby revealing the breach, the item with the fraudulent tag will long be gone.

      The way to fix this is to make the tag only accept new data (or erase commands) when it's signed with the same key as existing data. But crypto hardware is more expensive and power hungry than simple storage, so it may not even be technically feasible to do this right now. When it is feasible, privacy is gone, because the tag could just as well keep hidden copies and only reveal them when queried with another private key.

    2. Re:Crypto? by Jesrad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's say I have my own RFID tags, wich have a rewriteable serial number and higher signal power output. If I program them to masquerade as some random product I've walked past in the shop, then paste them onto the products I want to buy, could they mask the legit RFID and fool the reader ?

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  8. they've got it covered... by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    well DUH.. the DMCA will prevent all of this! Because if something is illegal, obviously nobody will do it!

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  9. Barcodes are unsafe too. by JanMark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When barcodes were introduced, retailers feared barcode swappers, because barcodes were not printed on partitioned labels, like those small price labels used to be (If you can remeber when all items were (manually) priced, you are getting old.) It turned out not to be to big a problem (now most barcodes are printed).

    However, when you can automate something, that is an differend story. With tag swapping, you can play the percentage game, usually the number of individual swappers is small. With automated swapping (esp. wireless), one individual can swap everything. That is a true risk.

    However like the step from label to printon bar code. There is only a small window of opportunity.
    In the near future, we will see read-only tags, embedded during the production fase.

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    1. Re:Barcodes are unsafe too. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      (If you can remeber when all items were (manually) priced, you are getting old.)

      here in michigan it's a LAW that all items must be priced. so I see price stickers on every item in the store every single day I go to one... they are manually priced by some 15 year old kid that hate's his job.

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  10. interesting article in Dr Dobbs this month as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think it's on the web yet but it describes how some RFID tags work (all of them? Some? I dont' know).

    Here's a summary:

    The scanner basically gets all the RFID tag info from all the tags at once, on the same frequency, which as you can imagine creates a lot of noise. In order to find out what tags are in the area, you have do a binary search. First ask all the tags that have a 1 in the first digit of their serial numbers to reply. Then the ones with zero. Then all of the "10's", the "11"'s, etc. And so on down the line, pruning empty subtrees as it goes, until it knows all the nearby RFID tags.

    The article described a custom RFID tag that just always responds to all serial numbers. Tying up the scanner for 1^64 (or is it 1^64 factorial?) iterations of the algorithm (forever, basically).

    Pretty neat. I will definitely be carrying one of those in the future. "Hey, whenever that guy comes in the store, all our inventory disappears"

  11. possible without RFID also by selderrr · · Score: 2, Informative

    i have seen pranksters swap prices tags on items many times before (no special equipment needed). The only more or less robust system seems barcodes...

  12. Re:interesting article in Dr Dobbs this month as w by name773 · · Score: 3, Funny

    1^64 (or is it 1^64 factorial?)

    i hope you're trolling, because both numbers are 1

  13. Competitors by detritus. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing I have always seen as a potential problem is a store's competitors using RFID scanners to take inventory and/or monitor what their competitor's customers are walking out of the store with.
    Any data you can get on your competitors is certainly better than none at all.

    1. Re:Competitors by Grrr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine if every RFID scanner incorporated a unique RFID which another scanner can scan. Then the scanner's scanner can scan your scanner and avert your scanner scam.

      Then their scanner has an RFID chip in it too, so we can use another scanner to scan for the scanners which are scanning for our scanners (which we've cloaked in tinfoil).
      It's scanner proliferation, baby.

      <grrr>

  14. Using EAN and RFID to shop ethically by zyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have an idea that I've been thinking about for a while.

    Some of us choose what to buy on the basis on how well-behaved the producing company is. Nothing new here. Some "bad" companies and their products are easy to indentify: I try to not buy anything from Nestle (breastmilk substitute in Africa), McDonalds (cutting down rainforests), and so on. As you can see from my reasons, they are probably a bit outdated as it can be hard to get good consumer information through the media noise.

    Ok, heres the thing: most products these days have an EAN/UCC code. The number in that code includes an identifier for the selling company. What if the Internet community would create a database of companies and start setting grades on them with regards to product quality, environment concern, workforce treatment, and so on?

    "But it would be too much of a hassle to query the database each time one buy cerials" you say. Sure, but consider two things:

    • Most mobilephones today (and certainly more in the future) have a builtin camera. Use that to photograph the EAN code, run a picture recognition program (in the phone ofcourse) and either compare to a snapshot database in the phone or check the online database directly!
    • You will quickly learn to avoid certain brands, and also educate people in your surrondings (friends, relative, etc).

    How do RFID fit into this? Well, imagine a clock that vibrates when you are about to touch some ethically questionable item! :-D

    RFIDs have been creating a lot of interest in the industry as it gives them better control over where items are, who buys them, if they return, etc. Now, if consumers could easily boycott a company due to bad quality or unethically behavior, the whole idea could backfire on them!

    1. Re:Using EAN and RFID to shop ethically by Chatterton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just my 2 cent, but in most selling point it is prohibed to use camera to shot product and product prices. Shooting the EAN code could be interpreted as shooting the product.

    2. Re:Using EAN and RFID to shop ethically by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How do RFID fit into this? Well, imagine a clock that vibrates when you are about to touch some ethically questionable item!

      So when wouldn't it vibrate?

    3. Re:Using EAN and RFID to shop ethically by panurge · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I can't find the reference, but I believe a student has already made a demonstrator as a college project.

      It should be pointed out that scanning the barcode is NOT photographing it and the shops would have difficulty arguing against the practice. If anything, it might direct shoppers to the ethical goods shelves where margins are higher...
      I think there is a case for aids for the partially sighted that would scan barcodes to report back what is on the shelf. Adding an ethical score to the internal database would be comparatively trivial.

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  15. Even more fun! by ConsumedByTV · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This article is a trival example of something you can do, a bomb would be much more damaging and more of threat as RFID is used for ID (with regards to people, not products. Unless you consider for a second that it makes them products, but i digress).

    I really can't wait until we have time bombs that are a result of the number of times a given person walks by with their RFID tag on. 10, 11, 12, booom.

    Food for thought anyway.

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  16. Non-issue for store tags by paulikoira · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Concerning expensive RFID tag applications like public tranport prepaid accounts, this could be a problem. More expensive crypto tags solve that problem.

    Concerning stores, this is stupid. Retailers don't need expensive reprogrammable tags and don't use them. Cheap tags are just a unique ID number which can't be changed. Any decent retailer saves money on tags and increases security by using cheap tags (no data storage, just a fixed number) and keeping their price and product data in a database keyed to these ID numbers. So talk of walking through Wal-mart and saving money or causing chaos is fantasy.

    Conclusion: it is only the medium price (storage but no crypto) tags which are and always have been a risk. The only contribution of this program is raising wider awareness and thus breaking illusory security through obscurity.

  17. This is plain hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who would be silly enough to purchase programmable RFID tags.

    In any secure application you don't keep the important info on the portable device! You put it in a secure database where all the security risks are known. The RFID tags should have a non-programmable, non-erasable fixed unique code.

    The scaremongering that this thread typifies is both stupid and done to death.

  18. Hack the Power!! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one would be delighted to see smirking hackers walking along the aisles of departement stores, wiping every RFID tag in site. At least that would wipe the smirks off the faces of marketing execs who lust after every intimate detail of our lives.

    If they try to kick you out, dump the zapper in some old ladies trolley. She'll march about for hours, wiping any spy gadgets in the buliding. Some might construe this as vandalism, but I construe reading dozens of RFID tags, covertly embedded in every item I buy, an illegal search.

    Of course execs will find some law (can you say DMCA) to label any such defenders of privacy evil criminals who seek to undermine the economy and of course the usual line, RFID helps fight terrorism or some such rubbish. They're probobly looking for a way to make RFID blocker tags illegal as well.

    Unfortunatly, the solution may be simply to make RFIS tags read only, further compounding the privacy issue.

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  19. Not everyone can really write to tags by happynut · · Score: 5, Informative
    This case was already covered in the older RFID specs that used to appear at www.autoidcenter.org (they have since become viewable to membersonly when they handed standards off to www.epcglobalinc.org several months ago).

    In order to write data to the tag you needed to know a 64bit number that was programmed into the tag. The standard didn't say how you set that number; that was policy reserved to the tag programmer. But in order to have a write command accepted, you needed to match the previously programmed number.

    So if commercially deployed tags really are generally writeable it is more of an administration problem (like leaving telnet enabled on public facing servers) than a failure to consider the problem at all.

  20. Why these people are fucked. by syberanarchy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Let's be honest, the biggest advocate of this stuff (walmart) isn't exactly the employer of rocket scientists. I have called them before at midnight, asking if they had Socom and the PS2 Net Adapter (when that was the "new thing.")

    "Oh, yeah, we have it."

    I get there, and it turned out they didn't have it. They had an AC Adapter.

    A clerk who cannot tell the difference between something that lets you go on the internet and something that plugs into the electric socket will be easily fooled by the RFID swap. Even if someone DOES check your bag, do you think "Joe Walmart" is really going to be acute enough in his observation to recognize that you've got the high end ATI card, and not the 9600? Doubtful.

    It'll be great to watch Wal-Mart reap the fruit of the seed they've sown - lost merchandise, lost profits, etc. And it's quite fitting that this really has nothing to do with RFID, but their unwillingness to go the extra mile to spend a few more bucks to get employees who know what they are doing.

  21. Re:Japanese already using RFID in cellphones by line.at.infinity · · Score: 4, Informative

    FeliCa chips are already in SuiCa cards which have been used for paying train toll fees for awhile now. RFID is also already used in the US - EZPass for automatically paying highway tolls in the New England area, I-Pass for Illinois, and Im sure other states have similar technologies that are the same. Unlike disposable RFIDs on grocery items, FeliCa chips are more expensive, so it can use more secure technology such as encryption.

    There's no sane reason why RFID should have a feature added that would allow wireless re-writes. It costs more and it only adds a security issue. RFDump doesn't overwrite data stored in any RFID. It's just a spreadsheet program, and of course it can modify the data in the spreadsheet cells, but it's not changing the data stored in the original source! Note that on RFDump's webpage itself, they claim that it only works with RFID READERS - that is, it can't MODIFY the source RFID data. RFDump can import RFID data to a computer, and change the RFID data within the computer's memory - no RFID chip modified! RFDump can't do that. But apparently it's good enough for creating a hyped up CNet article. I think CNet is only covering RFID obsessively because it's a buzzword and it can bring in alot of eyeballs to their website - that's why they like to write so many super-exaggerated RFID articles.

  22. The solution: by nahdude812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Legislation.

    We'll just release poorly thought out technology that promises things older tech's can't deliver, but make sure not to put in the press releases that mayhem can ensue from its use. Then when someone discovers this, we'll just see to it that it's illegal to own equipment capable of performing these operations (despite their otherwise legitimate uses), and so we have protected our customers by giving them a false sense of security while sacrificing another tiny bit of essential liberty.

  23. Some SCO's, maybe. by ONU+CS+Geek · · Score: 4, Informative

    From what the submitter had mentioned, he thought it would be possible to reprogram RFID tags to use to cheat a SCO...I'm not really sure about how the RFID stuff works, so I can't really say much about that, however, I do know a bit about the SCO's.

    Some SCO's (namly those by ACM/IBM) have a secondary server that handle the interactions with the cash register controllers (sometimes called the BOSS server). They have a 'security profile' that lets a SCO learn pieces of information about an item (dimensions, weight, that kinda thing) and if the item doesn't match a security profile, it'll kick it back, until a cashier scans their card to get it to learn the item.

    Other SCO's use a weight-based system. I'm not totally sure if the scales weigh all items and go from item to item specifically, or from item to item just to see if the item's been placed in the 'bagging' area (if not a pass around item).

    A properly set-up SCO won't allow things like this anyway. Really, nothing more than barcode switching.

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  24. Your logic is flawed. by cnelzie · · Score: 2, Informative

    The inside of soda machines are all segregated columns filled with the various sugar drinks. Each column contains a seperated type of drink, although a few columns could contain the same drink, that's just an matter of local preferences.

    Since each column is limited to one type of drink the machine can easy test how many of each brand are left and notify 'home' that they are running low. Which won't necesarily mean it will be filled quicker, it just means they know exactly what to bring to the machine. Distributors don't often change their routes since it allows them to send drivers out less often, servicing more machines without having to go back and forth all that often.

    There is no reason to put an FRID into the cans going into Drink Machines. They serve no purpose that isn't already covered by tried and true technology.

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    1. Re:Your logic is flawed. by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no reason to put an FRID into the cans going into Drink Machines. They serve no purpose that isn't already covered by tried and true technology.

      They can serve some new purposes, allowing future drink machines to be designed differently.

      RFID-enabled machines can have smaller granularity of product choices. Suppose machines hold 320 drinks. If it's split into 8 columns, you can only put 8 different things in there, limiting marketing opportunities. (Can't have 5 kinds of expensive, rarely purchased fruit drink in addition to the 4 columns of high-volume cola that sells out in a day)

      If it's assured that all cans will carry RFID, then the machine no longer must be build with separate columns for separate drinks. Dozens of different choices can all sit in one big holding area, which the machine searches through to match any customer choice. This increases the ability to load it with a maximally-profitable selection.

  25. Re:Burn that baby by grolaw · · Score: 2, Informative

    13.56MHz is the top edge of a radioastronomy allocation (13.41-13.56); it is "Long Wave" and well below: the 27MHz CB band, the 54-72 MHz broadcast TV channels 2-4, the 76-88 MHz broadcast TV channels 5-6, the 88-108 MHz FM broadcast band, the 174-216 MHz broadcast TV channels 7-13 . . .

    If you plan to generate enough RF at that frequency to "burn that baby", the power supply you tow behind you will give you away - moreover, any significant RF power in that range calls for -gasp- TUBES - say a pair of 6LQ6 in push-pull - but that is still way below their normal operating range ~18-30 MHz.

    Also, the core flaw in this scheme (at any frequency) is that pesky (and easily detected) RFI you generate while walking around the store.

    Operation of an unregulated transmitter, for a frequency you don't have a license to operate at is a federal crime (think FCC and pirate radio stations); also consider how your plan might effect legit radio/ranging (crashing aircraft on approach is discouraged) or, assuming that you actually find a way to beam microwaves (requires a waveguide) you might just cook bio-matter (the baby's corneas in the next isle or your fingers).

    Once any sophisticated reprogrammer is available, you can be certain you will be treated EXACTLY the same way as people who print their own money: counterfeiters go to jail for a long time.

  26. Re:Easy detectable by panurge · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It depends if you know where the RFID tag is located. A coil that sat on the end of a finger, under Elastoplast with a layer of shielding, could easily be brought up next to the tag to reprogram it, resulting in a lower power demand and very short range detectability.
    Having done some research into metal detectors for -ahem- covert operations some years ago, I can assure you that there are ways and means within the scope of home build.

    Supermarkets would just love to ban people from bringing in mobile phones, palmtops, laptops in standby mode, and all the other gadgets that create background RF noise, wouldn't they? The whole object is to make it look as if you can just walk in, load up and walk out.

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  27. RFID Tags by butlerdi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The tags do not generally contain data and for the most part are read only in the new systems. The tag only contains an identifier which is used to access the info just like a barcode. Changing the number to another at the checkout would still display the id of the product. You have a watch at the checkout and the till shows a tin of beans.... These systems are not that easy to hack in reality, at least no more so than barcodes. Most people do not change the price tags either out of honesty or fear of being caught. I doubt very much that jewelry stores will ever have self checkout lanes.

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  28. Audits by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You might think self check-outs are easy to fool, but the fact is when they do an audit on the day, and realize that you've walked out with a load of stuff you didn't pay for, security is going to grab frames of you in the self-checkout and you'll be caught if you do it more than once. Sure if someone accidentally gets a deal on something once, they won't ban you from a store, but if your whole shopping spree is from a hacked slew of RFIDs, you'll find your picture on the wall of the security office and they'll pick you up if you go back.

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    1. Re:Audits by mengel · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That only works if someone does just one item.

      If you remap every item in the store, everything everyone buys on that day will be wrong. Narrowing it down to the Black Hat who did it is hard.

      If you swap ID's between components, the inventory (which they also take with RFID's, of course) comes out right, and the problem shows up when a pack of gum has the RFID of a $50 item...

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  29. More crazy laws... by Wubby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would expect that instead of actually fixing the technology (if possible) adopters and promoters of RFID will start a massive campaign of lobbying for harsh federal laws that make it illegal to possess, create or look at any device that could possibly be used in "hacking" RFIDs. These would include (but are not limited to:

    RF detectors
    Calculators
    pencils
    human brain
    words

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  30. encryption by emorphien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least RFID can handle some types of encryption. A encryption key can be kept in the reader and since it doesn't have to be broadcast this isn't necessarily a huge problem. And since RFIDs can be managed automatically if someone really was worried the whole system could check and rewrite each items data once a day or something to make use of a new encryption key.

    Some people have already looked in to this, although of course retailers don't pay attention anyway.

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  31. Ahh yes the concientious cashier by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The $6 an hour cashier with a line behind her and performance metrics based on her checking speed is certainly going to be someone to trust with verification of merchandise and the proper tagging.

    I'm sure they all love their jobs and take them seriously.

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  32. Tin Foil Hats Keeps The RFID away by Shihar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Time to take the tinfoil hat off. The reason why merchants are slavering over RFID is not because they are stroking their evil beards while thinking up ways to trick you into the matrix vats. The biggest reason why RFID is exciting is because it means they can inventory a shelf just by having a guy sweep a scanner across it in a matter of seconds. Hell, they could inventory an entire warehouse in a matter of seconds. They are excited because you can go to the checkout line, swipe your credit card and grab your recipe on the way out without ever having to glance at a human.

    Now, could RFID be used to track your movements? Potentially, but so could a camera with facial recognition. RFID chips could simply be implanted with the ability to deactivate once the transaction is complete.

    Even taking the worst case scenario, all the evil corporations collaborate to track what you buy and where you go, what do you think they are going to do with that data, send in a corporate death squad to off you? At worst, they are going to take all that data, shove it into a computer, decide what it is you seem to be inclined to buy, and try and sell you stuff some computer algorithm thinks you are likely to want. Annoying if it results in more spam in your mail box? Sure. The end of liberty? Hardly.

    Honestly, corporations worry me the least. When I deal with a corporation, it is generally a voluntary transaction. Abercrombie can't put a gun to my head and force me to pay double the price to buy a shirt with their ugly corporate logo smeared across it. If I am dumb enough to buy it, well, I was dumb enough to buy it. If anything gives me pause, it is the government. If I tell the government I don't feel like paying for social security this year because I would rather invest that money myself, they CAN point a gun to my head and tell me that I am mistaken and I in fact DO want to buy social security this year.

  33. Can be secured by jimngo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am working on an RFID client project at my company. There are read-only tags and read-write tags. The read-write tags can also be locked on a per-byte basis so that those bytes can never be written to again. Believe me, the system can be secured.

    By the way, the /.'er that dissed Walmart's technology because of his experience with their sales people is pretty myopic. I'm definitely no fan of Walmart--last time I stepped into one was about 10 years ago--but their distribution system is incredibly efficient. In 1993, their gross sales were $USD244 Billion. The U.S. GDP was 10.98 Trillion, so if my math is correct, their sales amounts to 2.2% of the U.S. GDP. That is a lot of inventory for a single company to move around the world. Of course, they have 3rd party distributors that bring in a lot of their products, but they still have to keep track of that as well.

    For mass retailers like Walmart, RFID will work much better than barcodes and it will probably be first implemented in the distribution system, not the sales system. One RFID tag will keep track of a single shipment lot, case, box, whatever.

    RFID tags will NOT replace barcodes in the forseeable future. But they can accomplish some things better than barcodes so they will coexist.

  34. True, but not really new... by mengel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The thing is, UPC barcodes are hackable too. You can print a couple of barcodes on sticky labels on any old printer, and stick new barcodes on the item, and I expect most stores wouldn't really notice. In fact, Slippery Jim DiGriz was doing that in the Stainless Steel Rat books quite a few years ago (Okay, so he was messing with the barcodes with a good old pen, by hand, but you get the idea).

    What is cool about the RFID stuff is that I bet with the right antenna, you could do the reprogramming from the parking lot, and do a whole shelf full (store full?) at once. Suddenly, everything in the store is a 50 cent pack of Wrigley's...

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  35. Re:Japanese already using RFID in cellphones by Halo- · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There's no sane reason why RFID should have a feature added that would allow wireless re-writes. It costs more and it only adds a security issue.

    While I agree with you for certain bits of data, I think you are over-generalizing. Data like item identifiers used to say "this is a 12-pack of Pepsi" should be static. But other bits of data, like the date the item was last inventoried, and the ID of the employee who performed the inventory would be valuable rewritable fields. Sure, some jackass could come in an overwrite all the inventory fields with "RFID iz teh suckz", but the same jackass could take down those inventory stickers you sometime see, or peel off all the barcodes.

    I don't like the idea of RFID being used to track consumer purchasing, but I can certianly see it's appeal.

  36. Re:Where is an RFID placed? by Takashi · · Score: 2, Informative

    These things are teeny tiny and could easily be placed in the stitching of a T-shirt where you couldn't find it. The smalest ones i know of are as small as a grain of rice.

  37. it matters because... by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...... it's the gestalt of all the little specifics that add up to a general wrongness. RFID tracks the part, thew widget, then you use a store card or cc or cash to buy it. They have cameras as well that go to the mix. Add in location of where you are at with a cellphone, yada yada yada, it isn't any ONE of those things that is wrong, it's ther ability to eventually tie them all in together that's wrong. I don't want a total surveilled/controlled/command and controlled society, which is exactly where this rfid stuff-and everything else- is heading, and make NO mistake, at some time the government is going to insist by law that you have a complex rfid implanted.

    Totalitarian regimes don't spring up overnight, they take some time and come at you from many diverse areas, and rfid is definetly one of the areas they are going to use. Here is my original thought again

    I am a human, a soverign man, distinct, unique, I am more important than business and government or their convenience. I am NOT their inventory.

    The more they can tie "inventory" and "tracking" and "this is now part of the database" to *everything* you do, the closer we come to US human folks as individual soverign humans to be their "inventory".

    It's a really large general concept that is made up of all the other smaller bits of data, rfid tracking is just one of them, it is not "the" only part, but I would say it's a pretty important part.

    Want to know when it changed in society, where this mindshare paradign to "humans are the inventory, too" shifted? Exactly when we stopped being called "personel" and got turned into "human resources".

    1. Re:it matters because... by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Want to know when it changed in society, where this mindshare paradign to "humans are the inventory, too" shifted? Exactly when we stopped being called "personel" and got turned into "human resources"

      That, and when we switched from "customers" to "consumers".

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  38. RFID reader wristwatch by gCGBD · · Score: 2, Informative
    RFID reading wristwatches came out recently.

    I've been pondering the security implications of this stuff lately.

    Most of the places I've worked over the past few years use RFID based access controls.

    If I scanned someone's security badge with my wrist watch, then went home and programmed another RFID to match it, I would get access to controlled areas...

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  39. Four words: digitally signed MD5 checksum by Kurt+Gray · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not just have one of the RFID data fields be a digitally signed MD5 checksum on the entire record? In-store scanners could verify the encrypted checksum then hackers would need the store's private encryption key to modify the checksum field.

  40. Cheap for home use by abreauj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems the discussion here has been mainly about ripping off the retailer. I think the idea of erasing them after purchase for privacy reasons is far more improtant.

    However, another way to look at it is as a cheap way to get tags to use at home. I've got large collections of CDs, videos, and books in my house, and it's always a real pain in the ass trying to find something I haven't used in a couple years. If I'm getting all these RFID tags for free in the products I buy anyway, and I'm able to erase and rewrite them easily, then perhaps I can remove them from the products and redeploy them into my books, CDs, etc, and then use an RFID reader to more easily find things.

    Sure, it would be a long-term project to get everything tagged and inventoried, but so what? I'd be able to easily find things I'd already tagged, and if I have to search for something that wasn't tagged, it would be easy enough to tag it once I find it.

  41. More fun for us... by enginuitor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone who frequents Laser Quest (a laser tag arena) knows that they use Maxim/Dallas Semiconductor iButton devices to activate the "blaster" with your callsign and to keep track of statistics. The problem with this is that anybody with a knowledge of microcontrollers and some basic hardware skills (such as, ahem... moi) can rig up a simple unit to read and write to them (using a serial protocol called 1Wire). While this might not seem particularly relevant to the topic, it demonstrates the same concept, which is that if you make widespread use of a low-cost technology that nerds have free access to, it's only a matter of time until one of them starts to get curious. And then you're screwed. ;)

  42. Great ... by aggiefalcon01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great. Now a legal, useful, and important use of technology

    He wrote this program to demonstrate how consumers can protect themselves by wiping out RFID data after purchasing a product

    is likely to be outlawed because of fear of abuses. Not unlike P2P. I predict much FUD coming about this technology from the RFID peddlers, as well as cries for Congress/FTC/FCC to "do something about it!"

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  43. Re:Privacy-wise, how is RFID different from barcod by a24061 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Barcodes are scanned only where and when you buy something. But RFIDs can be read without your knowledge by anyone with a suitable scanner.