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FCC Says TiVo Owners Can Share Shows
Ec|ipse writes "Last week TiVo received alot of heat from MPAA and NFL for a proposal regarding sharing of recorded shows with users, see previous story.
Today it looks like TiVo has received approval." From the Reuters story as carried by Yahoo!: "TiVo, maker of popular digital television recording devices, on Wednesday received approval for technology that would permit users to send copies of digital broadcast shows over the Internet to a few friends."
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now about this RIAA mob...
I am always skeptical of how this will play out in the long run, but this looks like it could have a significant impact in returning fair-use rights to consumers.
I would love to know how this might act as a precedent for computer-based sharing methods... i.e. recording a show with BeyondTV or another PVR and emailing it to a friend.
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But if JJ jumps up during half time and does a strip tease to some Willie Nelson song, can the RIAA sue the sh*t out of America?
This will last a few days untill the waves of lobbyists show up and the FCC and demand a better return on investment.
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I have heard rumors about PMP (personal/portable media players) being able to hook up to the TIVO, and then you can watch it anywhere. If this would allow it, I think it would be great for Tivo, so anyone can use it to watch their favorite show anywhere.
I'll be more impressed if they can be uploaded freely as a standard file without any of this password nonsense, but this is still much, much, much better than caving to the football lobby.
I mean.. I know "airing regional games outside of their market" is dangerous to the fabric of society and capitalism as a whole, but I'd like to send 'Office Space' to my sister. It seems wrong for an office worker to have never seen that movie.
The End is near!
Long gone are the days of law makers stomping on the face of the digitally inclined.
So long 50 year copyright act!
so long DMCA!
So long RIAA lawsuites!
Ok..maybe im a little optimistic.
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At least until the corporations lobby and buy a change of decision from the FCC.
While this is a win for fair use rights (although it could sanely be argued it goes beyond fair use, I'm not going to be the one doing the arguing), it goes without saying that the MPAA and friends will not take this sitting down.
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if I only have implied oral consent..but not expressed written consent?
Lets hear it for, uhm, more than fair use. So are we liking the FCC this week now or what?
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Maybe this means http://www.planetreplay.com/ can allow people to share shows from their ReplayTV's again.
It's not at all the same concept. TiVo2Go is like iTunes; you can only share among computers registered with the same account.
Anybody remember the ReplayTV 4500 and 5000 series? They both allowed show sharing. It was a major selling point for ReplayTV, in fact. They were sued by Disney and a few other broadcasters to stop show sharing (as well as an automatic commercial skip feature). There was even a limit on the number of times you could send a show (five times). Does this ruling mean that TiVo cannot be sued and that ReplayTV can reintroduce the feature?
Legit bittorrent downloads? Sounds cool, but I wonder how long it'll last (TV shows to DVD is a lucrative market, and I doubt studios like the idea of competing with downloads). There's bound to be some limitations (I'm at work and too lazy/busy to read the whole article just yet), but still, I just can't believe this is happening. How did this get through?
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Is this in the FCC's jurisdiction? They are in charge of regulating the airwaves of the United States. Once you've received a digital program over the air, does the FCC have any more authority to tell you what you can do with the copyrighted product that they don't even have the rights to distribute?
I'm just asking...
1. There's no way that this is gonna last.
2. This is going to be used by current Usenet, BT and Kazaa-based sharers as justification for their broad distribution of TV shows (don't get me wrong; I download TV, but I wouldn't justify it like this).
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I am always skeptical of how this will play out in the long run, but this looks like it could have a significant impact in returning fair-use rights to consumers. ... I would love to know how this might act as a precedent for computer-based sharing methods.
You know that this will be appealed to the powers-that-be who will smack-down the FCC, yet again. It's the kind of news that gives you hope, just before your cynicism of the system is reinforced.
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So does this mean this is a "love the FCC" day, or do we still get to hate them?
I am currently located here in the lovely city of Cheney, which happens to be hosting the Seattle Seahawks training camp.
The other day, as my roommate and I walked past the practice field (paid for by my tax dollars!) I mentioned that the goings on with Tivo and the NFL were really getting on my nerves (as I am highly supportive of my right to sit around and stare at the glowing picture tube.)
An eery silence descended upon the land.
A giant of a man, who stood 6 foot 6, weighed 245 (at the least!) looked at me and asked if I might happen to be "that commie nerd, CmdrTaco", who I bear a striking resemblence to. Of course, I am but a humble code monkey and part-time troll, and so replied that I was not, nor had ever been, a commie nerd taco. He became enraged, and I feared that he would pummel me senseless for my insolence.
Luckily, a giant dust storm swept me away.
They even caught it on camera; NWCN I believe.
Now, for the meat of my post- can somebody get me out of this tree before this guy turns off his wireless router or my laptop dies? SCO Unix doesn't manage power very well.
I think what just occured there was a Freudian slip, and your subconcious was acknowledging that there is, in fact, no god.
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Let's just remember that the Supreme Court sided with Sony on the famous Betamax case that allowed VCRs/VRTs in the first place.
Also, if there wasn't some type of DRM here they wouldn't have gotten certified.
But if they hadn't granted some type of certification they would have run afoul of the Betamax ruling...
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I've been chewing on this for a while..
I know it's legal for me to tape a TV show from the air onto VHS, DVD, or TiVo myself. I suspect it's probably legal for me to, say, loan the VHS tape to a friend so he/she can watch it as well. And now, obviously TiVo owners can send each other episodes they recorded.
How is this all different than downloading a TV episode of a p2p network? I think I remember hearing of people getting DMCA notices for doing exactly that.
Anyone know where the line is in this case?
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This will last until someone get sued, and the case is taken to the Supreme court. It works the same way with legislation. Remember, this is FCC regulation, that doesn't mean it is final. The FCC is as wishy washy as all get out. Remember these are the Same folks that just said they were going to Regulate Violence on TV. Let us not lose track of the way Regulation and FCC have worked together. How bout them Analog Airwave Rights passing to Public Access?
Now they are going to the highest bidder, once the Broadcasting corporations decide to grudgingly let loose of them.
Still I am glad to see they are hanging themselves out there for the little guy, for once. (at least for NOW)
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Tivo is nice, but ReplayTV is better. I use Pooli.com to share shows all the time with people all over the net. I've been using DVArchive to store shows on my PC's drive and burn to DVD for a long time. If you get the 5040 or 5080, Commercial Advance is fully operational and works great. As far as I know, none of this stuff is going to change for the ReplayTV.
has been able to do this for quite some time via it's frontend/backend style setup. all you need to do is have a friend with a mythtv frontend or backend and have one of either or both yourself and you can watch the other persons shows over the internet.
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Since these shows were broadcast to the public, who can record them, it only makes sence to allow sharing.
Sharing the copy of the broadcast would be no different then both people recording them on their own.
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There's one big point that a lot of people seem to be missing:
The fact that TiVo even had to ask the FCC in the first place.
The assumption being that the FCC has some say over whether or not your hardware has the capability to send bits over the wire. Note that it's not whether or not you can send the bits over the wire, but your hardware. The first is behavior potentially regulated by the Constitution, the second is simple innovation.
Yes, the FCC was nice. But it's crazy that TiVo had to ask in the first place. Don't forget that.
-jdm
The FCC also ruled that Bono could say "fuck" on TV. A few weeks after Ms. Jackson exposed her tit, the FCC changed its mind.
The FCC WILL change its mind once networks start throwing their weight around. Heck, even the movie and music industries will get involved with this one. No copyright holder likes sharing without explict and paid permission.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
I'm sure all you Tivo lovers in the US are aware that we don't get it here in Canada, but one glaring omission is starrring me right in the eyes. If I take any TV and just plug it into a wall outlet and fire it up, I'll get free TV. Granted, it's not cable, but it's free. If I Tivo'd these shows, shouldn't I be able to distribut them to anyone else who's just bought a TV and plugged it in also? How would anybody lose money from this? Wouldn't I just be propogating the show itself and getting it to more users on their behalf? A D M
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Not sure, but figure my Series 2 Tivo for direcTV is in the cold on this one. When I got word that Tivo was releasing the former "add on" network functions, I learned that my Tivo did not have the USB ports activated, and neither DirecTV nor Tivo had any word on plans to release "firmware" to activate them.
DirecTV Tivo with 2 tuners rocks, but this might be the final straw to get me back on cable.
How about the 2003 Super Bowl halftime show with the "wardrobe malfunction"?
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The only thing that I can see being a serious issue is that of Nielsen ratings. If there is the chance that people are going to watch these shows after the fact and as such cannot be caught by the Nielsen rating system, then would this hurt the broadcaster?
Just a thought...
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I don't see how this will really work. All the NFL would have to do is enable the broadcast flag, and TiVo, (I'm assuming they would be compliant) wouldn't allow transfer because of the Broadcast Flag. The industry would simply say, "Sure, implement all the sharing technology you want...as long as it's Broadcast Flag aware."
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