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michael
on from the money-money-money-money-money-money dept.
twigstamc420 writes "USA Today is reporting that Lucasfilm has announced the details of releasing the Star Wars episodes IV through VI on DVD as well as a bonus DVD with commentary."
By the time they're done with all six movies they'll have to remaster the first trilogy (IV - VI) and show it in theaters (again). Then when that's done they'll have to remaster the second trilogy (I - III) and show those in theaters again. But by that time the first trilogy will be so far out of date they'll decide to completely remake it.
You'll be waiting for that all-in-one box set for a long long time.
No, but there's good inteligence that clearly shows Alderaan had a stockpile of WMDs that it planned to give to the Rebel Alliance. The new DVD further points out that its government was an anti-democratic dictatorship by a royal family, and goes on to document its sentient-rights abuses which while largely decades in the past, still play a part in building a convincing case for a pre-emptive planetary destruction by the Emp - er - Coalition Forces.
-- In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
I'm going to wait...believe it or not.
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Agent+Green
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I'm actually going to wait this one out. I can't recall how many times the trilogy was released on VHS...and am not going to get taken like a sucker on this like I was with Fellowship of the Ring.
Once the second release is out, then it'll be time to party. Probably when episode 3 is done and release and it's all in one pretty box.:)
-- // Agent Green (Ian / IU7 / KB1JQO) // IEEE 802.3: All 10base Are Belong To Us
Re:I'm going to wait...believe it or not.
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The-Bus
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and am not going to get taken like a sucker on this like I was with Fellowship of the Ring.
Purely your fault...
Peter Jackson announced the EE (extended edition) before the regular edition had been released.
The EE is an entirely different cut.
The extras are all different.
New Line offers at least $5 off if you send in the UPC from the first one, bringing the cost of the EEs down to about $20 when they come out.
And, on topic, I'll be getting the DVDs.
--
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
This is amazing news...
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Anonymous Coward
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It was even more amazing when I heard it last year around this time.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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TheGatekeeper
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Lucas's revisionist history really does bother me as a geek. While I agree some of the added scenes do add to the movies, some of them are simply unacceptable. Greedo shooting first for example.
If they were offering the original movies on DVD, I'd jump at it. I don't know how I feel about this revisionist version, but it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
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'The staff in the hand of a wizard may be more than a prop for age,' -Hamá, the doorward
Come on! This article has been up for seven minutes, and nobody has answered the most important question:
Does Greedo shoot first???
Come on! You call yourselves geeks?
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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afidel
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Blah, when will Lucas get it, we want the origional damn films as shown in theaters, not his revisionist history with all the damn modern FX. Jeezus if South Park is making fun of you you know you are doing something wrong.
-- There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
From the man who refuses to release original editions and continues to "rice" out his movies said this about movie purity:
"Star Wars" creator George Lucas, who testified with Steven Spielberg before Congress in the 1980s against colorization and other forms of alteration, said the process yanks such slapstick performers as the Stooges out of the black-and-white universe they belong in.
-- Bel, the mostly sane..
"Of course I can't see anything! I'm standing on the shoulders of idiots." -- Me
Han shoots first?
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Alcimedes
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If he does, I'm not buying them, period. I can't believe that they'd change what basically amounts to a massive character development over three movies, and rework it to crap. all because it's not nice for Han to shoot first. that was the WHOLE FREEKING point. ugh.
George needed the extra time to think of new and horrible ways to re-edit our childhood. Good thing too, I hadn't quite had all my dreams shattered yet.
"Digitally Remastered Footage"
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johnthorensen
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Here's to hoping this has something to do with Princess Leia in Jabba's Palace:)
-JT
Re:Now that does not make sense?
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Anonymous Coward
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the theory is that when a jedi dies he comes back in his purest form..so yoda and obi wan come back as they were when they died, but anakin returns as he was before he went to the dark side
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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Aero+Leviathan
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I saw on some interview that the minor dialogue changes weren't even intentional; when they were remastering the film for 1997, they sometimes had to use different takes that hadn't deteriorated as much (or so they say). They claim they didn't even realise they had changed any of the dialogue until diehard fans started complaining... ^_~
Actually...
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EvilCabbage
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Jabba didn't meet up with Han before Han took off (and certainly not the significantly older looking version of Han that you see in this scene). Etc. Etc.
Han did meet Jabba in the original cut, the scene was pulled from theatrical release though. Jabba was originally a dumpy irish fellow dressed in fur and leather.
If you're going to bitch about scene changes, at least have the facts my friend.
Uh... "the significantly older version of Han" was filmed with the original movie, and a stand-in (a fat guy wearing some sort of fur outfit, looked kinda like Cyrano Jones from The Trouble With Tribbles) for Jabba, that George originally planned to replace with a stop motion Hut.
When that plan didn't work out (didn't have the time/budget/tech to do it convincingly) they added the Greedo scene to pass on the same information about Han's difficulties with the local smugglar king, which is why the conversation with Jabba is essentially the same as the conversation with Greedo.
I'll stick to my LaserDiscs....
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elberserko
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The only true way to see the original theatrical versions of the trilogy is to get the laserdiscs. Not only does it look and sound better than the VHS but If you get the right ones, they are widescreen, which no VHS copy of the "original theatrical" versions have to the best of my knowledge.
Re:I'll stick to my LaserDiscs....
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Nogami_Saeko
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I did that myself - I wouldn't buy pirate DVDs, but I had no problem format-shifting them myself (and doing some cleanup) - LDs through a DV transcoder into the computer, some DVNR and pull the edges of the letterbox down to pure black so as to not waste bits in MPG encoding, pulldown to 24frame progressive, multipass encoding, then some subtitling for the aliens talking.
That said, although the video looks good, it would certainly benefit from a digital-surround mix...
Hmm... Wonder about extracting the new remastered audio from the DVD release and re-editing it to match the older visuals, then recombine it. May be worth a shot:)
N.
-- "Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
Re:Anonymous Coward.
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TheShadowHawk
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TheShadowHawk:P
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Sorry people
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Neo-Rio-101
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If you RTFA, you see this:-
The controversy. The versions of Lucas' beloved films that are on these new DVDs are not the original theatrical releases but the special editions that played in theaters in 1997. Rumor have circulated about additional changes, but Ward would not deny or confirm them. "We want to encourage our fans to check them out themselves."
Dr Pepper hurts like christ when it's expelled from the nostrils.
To point out the obvious (not a conspiracy theory)
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kamapuaa
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George Lucas is about making money, not about establishing or preserving legacies or whatever. I just have to believe that he'll release these DVDs, claim they're the only official release ever, and wait for every nerd to buy them, even though they grumble about it being the revised version.
Only then, after the DVD saled have slowed down, will he decide to relent, release the original movies on DVD, and snap up the profits from nerds re-purchasing the DVDs of the original movie.
Kind of the inverse of Lord of the Rings DVD strategy - Lucas realizes if he releases the original versions first, nobody will buy the revised versions later.
-- Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
Why can't Lucas take a hint from the LOTR series and release the 13-DVD super-duper box set with 35 variations of each film including the original versions and his new screwed up versions? Charge people eleventy-seven dollars or whatever... just give people what they want.... not what he thinks they should have.
Re:Now that does not make sense?
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Dachannien
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but anakin returns as he was before he went to the dark side
You know, repentence is good enough for Jesus, so it oughta be good enough for George Lucas.
Ooh, heres another million... selling out, selling out, cashing in, nother million.
Money. Money, money.
Is anyone still watching this? suckers.
-George Lucas
Re:Non special edition dvd's
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djward
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Find a used laserdisc player. You can find the orig. trilogy, remastered THX but pre-extra shite, for pretty cheap now on LD. Damn good quality (almost DVD quality), surround sound, etc. I've been enjoying them for years. I suppose you could borrow a LD player and hook it up to computer and burn over to DVD if you were inclined.
I love the laserdiscs though. Big, beautiful cover art. The Empire Strikes Back LD cover is a thing of beauty.
Wake me up when they put the ORIGINALs on DVD
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neurojab
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An open letter to George Lucas.
Dear George,
The nostalgic value for DVD collectors of these movies is very high, but your changes destroy that value. No one who loved the movies in the 70s and 80s wants the "special edition" release, or the changes you have made since. The changes make them new movies, lesser versions of their former selves, they certainly are not the same movies I enjoyed in my youth. One of the great things about Star Wars was the amazing effect work that was very groundbreaking using the technology of the day. Updating the films with new technology destroys that accomplishment.
I will not buy Star Wars (again) until the original, unmodified movie is on DVD. Likewise for Empire.
Thank you. -an 80's Star Wars fan in your target market.
Re:Wake me up when they put the ORIGINALs on DVD
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daVinci1980
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Dear 80's Star Wars fan in my target market,
Actually, I'm willing to be that you will purchase this version when it comes out. You'll open up the shiny plastic and you'll curse my name for not releasing the "pure" movies. It is possible that you will resist this boxed set, but fortunately for me you have friends and relatives who remember how much you love Star Wars, and *certainly* one or more of them will purchase this collection for you. Either way, your money will already be mine, and I won't really care. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank in one of my 30 new Ferraris.
However, I will let you in on a little secret. Ever since DVD came around as a format, I've been saying that I didn't feel DVD was an appropriate format for the Star Wars franchise. I didn't think the betamax sales had fallen off enough to cannibalize my own market share. However, I've clearly changed views on that, and it is therefore likely that at *some* point in the future, I will release the super-duper-ultra-elite-Star-Wars-Final-absolutely -no-kidding-this-time Edition. Which will actually just be the original theater version.
I hope this tidbit holds you over.
The master of your wallet,
George Lucas
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I currently have no clever signature witicism to add here.
Just be thankful...
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Chordonblue
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...They didn't replace the original Anakin with Jar-Jar!
(The HORROR!)
-- "...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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wass
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Isn't he also changing the name to 'The Gathering Shadow' and making the following the scrolling introduction:
It is a time of uncertainty. The empire's ambiguous tariff statutes mandate close reexamination of galactic import quotas. Interim Princess Agoomba has co-chaired a subcommittee to draft amendments to existing trade policies
Meanwhile, regulatory agencies are being heavily lobbied by a consortium of mercantile interest groups and their suppliers to streamline loading restrictions for class C cargo vessels. The shipping...
anti-democratic...
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Cryptnotic
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Is that like the weird word that Amidala is from where Queens are elected and Senators are appointed?
-- My other first post is car post.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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Waffle+Iron
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If they were offering the original movies on DVD, I'd jump at it. I don't know how I feel about this revisionist version, but it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
I have altered the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
-GL
They changed it? you mean
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commodoresloat
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"These aren't the DVDs you're looking for."
Is it the "Coke Classic" ploy?
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NotQuiteReal
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1) Sell the [slightly?] altererd DVD versions to those who just have to have them.
2) Profit!
1b) Then wait a bit and [re]-sell the "original" version to purists who have to have that.
2b) Profit!
Wow, you don't even need the usual 3 steps.
-- This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Re:hopefulness
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Jugalator
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Or the part where Luke shouts "Carrie!" instead of "Leia!" at the end of Ep IV. Fun stuff like that should definitely be left in.
From IMDb...
Incorrectly regarded as goofs: It is frequently claimed that upon returning to the Rebel base after destroying the Death Star, Luke exclaims, "Carrie!" when he hears Leia (Carrie Fisher) call "Luke!" Sound designer Ben Burtt has confirmed that, after extensive listening, it appears to be "Hey" or "Yay"; 'Mark Hamill' reports that he said, "Hey! There she is!" but mumbled the last word.
-- Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
'Star Wars - Interactive' - God help us...
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Chordonblue
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Be careful what you wish for - I envision the future this way:
***Yo, Yo, Yo!!!*** - Check It! It's 'Star Wars Interactive' comin' to you on Supa Blu-Ray!
- See the original blocky transparencies around Tie Fighters and X-Wings! (Some of you out there really want that, huh?)
- Replace Greedo with Jar-Jar and make Han shoot first again! And again. And again!
- See the original Irish guy who played the part of Jabba the Hutt and put him in Episode Six!
- Give Boba Fett some extra rocket fuel so he can escape his fate!
Seriously, you know this sort of thing is coming eventually. So is all this panic about original versions a case of purity or old-tyme familiarity for us old farts? Believe me, it's hard to see some of this stuff happening to the films I grew up with (I was 12 when I saw Star Wars), but is the fact that Greedo shot first going to change the entire demeanor of the film?
Maybe it's a question of relevancy. As time goes on, you can expect more of this sort of thing to happen to films like it has with music.
Example: Look at Rap. Rap recycles old music into newer stuff. Should that be outlawed too?
-- "...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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Elwood+P+Dowd
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I've heard that they could POSSIBLY CHANGE the order of the camera crew listing on the end credits. Mostly unacceptable!!!
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Your head a splode
How hard would it be...
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multiplexo
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To get LaserDiscs of the original movies before George started fucking around with them and remaster them onto DVDs and then distribute them underground? I have no desire to see the new and improved _Star Wars_ and it just shows how unoriginal Lucas is, he can't come up with anything new so he just reedits _Star Wars_ and re-releases it every time he needs a few more bux (just like the way Francis Ford Coppola) keeps re-editing _Apocalypse Now_ and adding new footage.
I'd be willing to bet that with decent equipment you could make a pretty good transfer from a LaserDisc and while it might not have the resolution or sound of the new versions it would retain all of the stuff that made the original movies so great.
-- cheap labor conservatives - they want to keep you hungry enough to be thankful for minimum wage.
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet.
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cheetah
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But there is a longtime petition site to get the original movies put on Dvd. http://www.originaltrilogy.com/ Check it out...
Absolutely correct; however...
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Stealth+Potato
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the theory is that when a jedi dies he comes back in his purest form
Which is exactly what would make the appearance of an 'old' Anakin in ghostly form all the more poignant. If the whole series is indeed the story of Anakin Skywalker, then is not the very consummation at the point where Darth Vader is finally turned by love for his son? Indeed, it is only then, and never before, that Anakin could truly be said to be pure; it was his final redemption before his death - his son saved him.
> Blah, when will Lucas get it, we want the origional damn films as shown in theaters, not his revisionist history with all the damn modern FX. Jeezus if South Park is making fun of you you know you are doing something wrong.
Due to word-wrapping in my browser I read that as -
not his revisionist history with all the damn modern FX Jeezus.
Sadly, I was wondering which scene he inserted Jesus into rather than marvelling that he would stoop to it.
Perhaps it's because I'm too young to have seen the original movies in theater, but I *like* the newer versions. They have a couple of extra scenes, and they look better. More, better looking Star wars can't be a bad thing? I also think they make some scenes feel more alive, with more people in the background and so on.
There, now you can go ahead and mod me down.
-- Martin
Re:I don't mind
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cranos
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I'm sorry but part of the charm of the originals was the fact the special effects were amazing without the use of CG.
The newer bits just clashed something chronic with the original, hell they couldn't even get Jabba's size right between A New Hope and Return of The Jedi.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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DarkHelmet
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I think George Lucas sees Star Wars as a mock autobiography of his life, with himself playing Darth Vader. At first, he used to be on the good side of the force. But then he became corrupt with the evils of money, and became more a machine now, twisted and evil.
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the futility of protest
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gad_zuki!
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I really hope DVDs/SVCDs of the laserdisc version get pushed on popular bittorrent and p2p networks the day this comes out. I'd love to read news articles and talking heads on the news trying to figure this out.
*two local tv anchors on location at a suncoast DVD retailer observing the long line*
"Well Jane, it seems this is one of the most pirated movies in history."
"Yes Tom, the online world has never been shy about co-opting releases."
"True, except they're pirating the version sold in the 80s from something called a 'laserdisc.'"
*confusion ensues as a pasty skined geek grabs Jane's mic*
Fan: "Greedo does NOT shoot first!!!"
*security hauls the fan away*
"What was that about?"
"No idea. What's a greedo? *pause* Don't worry folks he's getting the help he needs."
*back on Skywalker Ranch*
Fan has eyes clipped open while a projector plays the Greedo scene endlessly before him and a small crowd tied to their chairs in a small theater. A tear run downs his cheek as he quietly, in unison with the rest, whispers, "Greedo shoots first. Greedo shoots first. Greedo shoots first."
Re:StarWars.com News Releases
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shadowmatter
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The Birth of the Lightsaber
Heaven forbid that thing turn on while still in the womb.
having a disco at the end of RoTJ unfortunately won't be erased from living memory on the new DVD...
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- John Ford, Vice President, Equifax
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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Zork+the+Almighty
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I can only pray that the real George Lucas is dead and has been spinning in his grave for a decade now.
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In Soviet America the banks rob you!
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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TomServo
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I enjoyed the star wars films, and while I'm not a huge star wars fan, I was most likely going to pick these up.
Then I read the same bit you quoted.
That's crap. They're complaining in the article that they're not the highest forecasted sellers for this holiday season because it's $70, and blaming it on that. Maybe it has something to do with:
a) not releasing the original versions, the ones that everyone really wants to see and b) telling them to pay $70, yet refusing to tell them what they're actually getting, so they can "check them out for themselves."
When I buy a DVD, I damn well want to know what I'm getting. Extras are beyond that, but I want to know that the movie I'm buying is the movie that I've seen previously and enjoyed.
LotR is one thing. They have additional scenes on the super fancy-pants versions. But they don't go changing the scenes you've already watched. LotR gave extras that we hadn't seen, ones that we can skip easily with the remote if we decide we don't like them, or even purchase the version that's identical to the theatrical release. With this, we STILL can't buy the theatrical release, and we don't even know if they're changing what we saw in the re-release. That's absolutely ridiculous.
However, given the way that LucasFilm has treated its fans, give it 3-4 years. We'll have the originals, untouched, on DVD, as a super special bonus edition at $90 just to bleed a little more out of those that bought this set. It makes me sad, I remember loving these movies as a kid. However, as a principle, I feel like buying any of these versions now gives LucasFilm validation to fuck with me and take every possible dollar they can out of my wallet. Screw 'em. I like the movies a lot, but they're not my favorites.
I'll miss 'em, but they're not good enough to bend over for.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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BlackHawk-666
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Look for the extra scenes where they have digitally inserted Jar Jar Binks in. Plus, Jar Jar does a stand up comedy routine in the bar scene in Star Wars;->
-- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Darth Lucas quote
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CaptainCarrot
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... If George Lucas would've learned something from his good friend Steven Spielberg. Make movies, don't muck around with your old ones (well, muck around as little as possible, I'm aware of the E.T. walkie talkies. Something tells me Spielberg didn't put in a fraction of the effort coming up with that.) Do something new every now and then. Take your skills and knowledge and try and tell a good story, maybe even break away from science fiction a bit. I know he had it in him at one point, American Graffiti's a great movie.
But I guess Lucas isn't a director at heart. If he was, he would've directed Empire and Return. He likes his special effects and he's good at them-- the last two movies felt more like advertisements for Industrial Light and Magic than labors of love.
Though to his credit, the Star Wars video games have generally been great... Fun, well-made, darker and more true to the promise of Star Wars than any of the movie's sequels have been.
(No, I didn't call it "Episode IV" or "A New Hope." I still call the first one Star Wars. The eight-year-old me would've wanted it that way.)
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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cafard
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b) telling them to pay $70, yet refusing to tell them what they're actually getting, so they can "check them out for themselves."
When I buy a DVD, I damn well want to know what I'm getting.
Is this *such* a big deal? 24h after the release of the box, reviews are going to pop-up on every web site, including/.
I can understand not liking the non-release of the originals, but complaining about the fact that the content of the box is not yet known is not such an issue. Unless of course you can't wait 24/48h after the initial release, which usually means maximum price tag.
Personnaly, after the years waiting for those movies on dvd, i'll survive long enough for *at least* read reviews...
-- This post is awesome.
Less true than you think
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tod_miller
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Star wars is fictional, there is no 'dark side'.
Anakin is a fictional character...
If George had strayed to the dark side, you would be floating in mid air clutching your throat:-)
Saddest part about the whole thing:
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dioscaido
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That even with all the caveats about the changes, most people will buy the DVDs. Giving Lucas another $1 billion dollar smash hit, and further shielding him from the truth that most fans, while they consume his movies faithfully, hate them nonetheless.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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ideonode
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Lucas's revisionist history really does bother me as a geek.
Here's an interesting question for you. Tolkien published The Hobbit in 1937. When he was writing The Lord of the Rings, he realised that the 'Riddles in the Dark' chapter that he had originally written didn't really fit in with the whole ring mythos of LotR (basically, in the original, Gollum simply gives Bilbo the ring after the riddle contest is won - but of course, we know that there's no way that the ring-consumed Smeagol would have simply handed it over because he couldn't guess a riddle). My question to you is, is that ok? Is that any more or less wrong than Lucas' revisionism?
I think it's a tricky issue. Tolkien alludes to his re-write in the LotR (Bilbo occassionally mentions how he changed his story - cf. 'The Council of Elrond'), whereas Lucas tends to simply re-write the story and erase the previous versions.
Still, I think it asks interesting questions as to whether authorial control can ever be retained once the original text is out in the wilderness.
My George Lucas moment
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sdo1
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My four year old gave me a piece of artwork, which was a mess, but great (if you have kids, you'd understand). But the next day he wanted to take it back to make some changes and additions. I accused him of being like George Lucas. He cried.
Does that make me a bad parent?
-S
-- ---
What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
Re:My George Lucas moment
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EmagGeek
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No, it means you have one really smart kid, who, at the ripe age of 4, can already make the connection that to be associated with George Lucas in any way is a Bad Thing(TM).
Starwars, the Original Trilogy, Version 3
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EmagGeek
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In version 3 of TOT, not only does Han not shoot first, but greedo is arrested by the department of homeland security for no goddamn reason whatsoever. After 45 years of litigation, he is found guilty of making terroristic threats, but the decision is overturned by the ninth circus court of appeals on grounds that his trial was unfair because he's green. After seeing this news on intergalactic TV, Han escapes from his retirement home, finds greedo, and finally shoots him dead with the only weapon remaining in the universe that can still be taken on space vessels - strained peas!
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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CrazyTalk
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OK, your mention of Jabba in ANH gives me a chance to rant a bit - he shouldn't be in that movie at all. Period. (In my mind, this is worse than the famous Han-shoots-first controversy). Having grown up watching the original movies, having Jabba be this unseen, mysterious figure added to the interest and suspense in the sequels. In ROTJ when he was finally revealed, that was a defining moment in the movies. Showing what he looks like up front in the "first" movie just ruins the ending! Of course, by now everyone on the planet with any remote interest at all knows what Jabba the Hut is and what he looks like, but in my mind his presence early on does nothing but hurt the story.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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AndyChrist
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Jabba didn't look so bad in stills. It was the way the skin moved which ruined the effect. That and the jarring compositing.
The only special edition which was an improvement was Empire.
Other additions in this version:
More Ewoks: An ewok shoots Darth Vader's tie fighter at the end of A New Hope, gives a thumbs-up.
Ewoks kill the wompa in the cave with spears and rocks and a stolen imperial walker, then dance around Luke singing "Yubba Nubba Cubba Chubba."
The Emperor's guard are replaced by ewoks in red capes.
I hear him saying "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him." But then that is from the White Laser Disk.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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squiggleslash
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My understanding is that Lucas has been fairly concerned about the criticism of the "Greedo shooting first" thing and has modified it quite a bit in the new DVD version. I took a sneak peek at the modified script.
Essentially, Greedo will take Solo at gun-point to a small room and torture Solo for about five minutes. At the end of this sequence, Solo is able to get an arm free and knocks over a rack of sharp pointy metal rods, which fall on Greedo knocking him out, but otherwise leaving him uninjured.
Solo then gets up, considers shooting Greedo, but then says "No, I cannot shoot you Greedo. That would be decending to the same depths as Jabba the Hutt. One day you will look back on this, on what you did today, and you will be filled with regret and remorse. When that day comes, consider it your punishment, for you will feel so much shame you will wish I had killed you."
With this, he puts back on his loin-cloth and round glasses, and hastily makes his way back to the Millenium Falcon.
-- You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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blackmonday
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Settle down guys, we're all just gonna copy them off Netflix anyways. (Did I just say that out loud?)
Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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Pope
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As mentioned above, there are 2 versions of each LOTR movie on DVD: the extended version and the regular. Rent/buy the regular versions, and you have what was in the cinema. I can't see what you're whining about.
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Sure there is. The originals are supposed to go into the public domain within a "limited time".
The fact that there may be situations where a given work is "lost" just goes to show just how badly broken the current copyright system is.
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Re:Some of the changes (possible spoilers)
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Ubergrendle
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Completely different kettle of fish here.
First off, there is a very strong rationale for his changes. He documents them fully. It is not in the interests of marketing.
Second, the previous version is still availalbe in print. Some editions of The Hobbit include both chapters so that the reader can make the difference. There has been no active attempt to surpress or prevent the distribution of the original version.
Finally, I'd argue that a popular, visual, commercial medium that is available for a 20 year period because a culturally shared product. I fear that just like people are still trying to rebuild/recreate the original version of Metropolis (Fritz Lang) or The Magnificent Ambersons, down the road a high-resolution version of Star Wars/Empire/ROTJ won't be available and it will be lost to the ages.
Ultimately I find Lucas' and Speilberg's post-editing of their successes to be a sign of self-concious inferiority complexes. Its the equivalent to me of an aging movie star going through plastic surgery, to attempt to prolong their glory days or relive their past success.
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Episode IV was incredible. I was blown away by it when it came out.
But by the time VI came out, it had a very Police Academy IV thing going on.
Let's hope Episode III is good..
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I'm waiting for the super-special-extended-ultra-remastered-digitally- enhanced mega super version box set of all 6 movies.
I hear that in this version Alderaan shoots first.
I'm actually going to wait this one out. I can't recall how many times the trilogy was released on VHS...and am not going to get taken like a sucker on this like I was with Fellowship of the Ring.
:)
Once the second release is out, then it'll be time to party. Probably when episode 3 is done and release and it's all in one pretty box.
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Lucas's revisionist history really does bother me as a geek. While I agree some of the added scenes do add to the movies, some of them are simply unacceptable. Greedo shooting first for example.
If they were offering the original movies on DVD, I'd jump at it. I don't know how I feel about this revisionist version, but it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
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Come on! This article has been up for seven minutes, and nobody has answered the most important question:
Does Greedo shoot first???
Come on! You call yourselves geeks?
Blah, when will Lucas get it, we want the origional damn films as shown in theaters, not his revisionist history with all the damn modern FX. Jeezus if South Park is making fun of you you know you are doing something wrong.
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If he does, I'm not buying them, period. I can't believe that they'd change what basically amounts to a massive character development over three movies, and rework it to crap. all because it's not nice for Han to shoot first. that was the WHOLE FREEKING point. ugh.
i hate people sometimes.
What took so long?
George needed the extra time to think of new and horrible ways to re-edit our childhood. Good thing too, I hadn't quite had all my dreams shattered yet.
Here's to hoping this has something to do with Princess Leia in Jabba's Palace :)
-JT
the theory is that when a jedi dies he comes back in his purest form..so yoda and obi wan come back as they were when they died, but anakin returns as he was before he went to the dark side
I saw on some interview that the minor dialogue changes weren't even intentional; when they were remastering the film for 1997, they sometimes had to use different takes that hadn't deteriorated as much (or so they say). They claim they didn't even realise they had changed any of the dialogue until diehard fans started complaining... ^_~
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Jabba didn't meet up with Han before Han took off (and certainly not the significantly older looking version of Han that you see in this scene). Etc. Etc. Han did meet Jabba in the original cut, the scene was pulled from theatrical release though. Jabba was originally a dumpy irish fellow dressed in fur and leather.
If you're going to bitch about scene changes, at least have the facts my friend.
Uh... "the significantly older version of Han" was filmed with the original movie, and a stand-in (a fat guy wearing some sort of fur outfit, looked kinda like Cyrano Jones from The Trouble With Tribbles) for Jabba, that George originally planned to replace with a stop motion Hut.
When that plan didn't work out (didn't have the time/budget/tech to do it convincingly) they added the Greedo scene to pass on the same information about Han's difficulties with the local smugglar king, which is why the conversation with Jabba is essentially the same as the conversation with Greedo.
The only true way to see the original theatrical versions of the trilogy is to get the laserdiscs. Not only does it look and sound better than the VHS but If you get the right ones, they are widescreen, which no VHS copy of the "original theatrical" versions have to the best of my knowledge.
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If you RTFA, you see this:-
The controversy. The versions of Lucas' beloved films that are on these new DVDs are not the original theatrical releases but the special editions that played in theaters in 1997. Rumor have circulated about additional changes, but Ward would not deny or confirm them. "We want to encourage our fans to check them out themselves."
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Thanks a fucking lot.
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Only then, after the DVD saled have slowed down, will he decide to relent, release the original movies on DVD, and snap up the profits from nerds re-purchasing the DVDs of the original movie.
Kind of the inverse of Lord of the Rings DVD strategy - Lucas realizes if he releases the original versions first, nobody will buy the revised versions later.
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Why can't Lucas take a hint from the LOTR series and release the 13-DVD super-duper box set with 35 variations of each film including the original versions and his new screwed up versions? Charge people eleventy-seven dollars or whatever ... just give people what they want .... not what he thinks they should have.
but anakin returns as he was before he went to the dark side
You know, repentence is good enough for Jesus, so it oughta be good enough for George Lucas.
Heres a part where i rake in some money.
Ooh, heres another million... selling out, selling out, cashing in, nother million.
Money. Money, money.
Is anyone still watching this? suckers.
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Find a used laserdisc player. You can find the orig. trilogy, remastered THX but pre-extra shite, for pretty cheap now on LD. Damn good quality (almost DVD quality), surround sound, etc. I've been enjoying them for years. I suppose you could borrow a LD player and hook it up to computer and burn over to DVD if you were inclined.
I love the laserdiscs though. Big, beautiful cover art. The Empire Strikes Back LD cover is a thing of beauty.
An open letter to George Lucas.
Dear George,
The nostalgic value for DVD collectors of these movies is very high, but your changes destroy that value. No one who loved the movies in the 70s and 80s wants the "special edition" release, or the changes you have made since. The changes make them new movies, lesser versions of their former selves, they certainly are not the same movies I enjoyed in my youth. One of the great things about Star Wars was the amazing effect work that was very groundbreaking using the technology of the day. Updating the films with new technology destroys that accomplishment.
I will not buy Star Wars (again) until the original, unmodified movie is on DVD. Likewise for Empire.
Thank you.
-an 80's Star Wars fan in your target market.
...They didn't replace the original Anakin with Jar-Jar!
(The HORROR!)
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Is that like the weird word that Amidala is from where Queens are elected and Senators are appointed?
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"These aren't the DVDs you're looking for."
2) Profit!
1b) Then wait a bit and [re]-sell the "original" version to purists who have to have that.
2b) Profit!
Wow, you don't even need the usual 3 steps.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Or the part where Luke shouts "Carrie!" instead of "Leia!" at the end of Ep IV. Fun stuff like that should definitely be left in.
From IMDb...
Incorrectly regarded as goofs: It is frequently claimed that upon returning to the Rebel base after destroying the Death Star, Luke exclaims, "Carrie!" when he hears Leia (Carrie Fisher) call "Luke!" Sound designer Ben Burtt has confirmed that, after extensive listening, it appears to be "Hey" or "Yay"; 'Mark Hamill' reports that he said, "Hey! There she is!" but mumbled the last word.
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Be careful what you wish for - I envision the future this way:
***Yo, Yo, Yo!!!*** - Check It! It's 'Star Wars Interactive' comin' to you on Supa Blu-Ray!
- See the original blocky transparencies around Tie Fighters and X-Wings! (Some of you out there really want that, huh?)
- Replace Greedo with Jar-Jar and make Han shoot first again! And again. And again!
- See the original Irish guy who played the part of Jabba the Hutt and put him in Episode Six!
- Give Boba Fett some extra rocket fuel so he can escape his fate!
Seriously, you know this sort of thing is coming eventually. So is all this panic about original versions a case of purity or old-tyme familiarity for us old farts? Believe me, it's hard to see some of this stuff happening to the films I grew up with (I was 12 when I saw Star Wars), but is the fact that Greedo shot first going to change the entire demeanor of the film?
Maybe it's a question of relevancy. As time goes on, you can expect more of this sort of thing to happen to films like it has with music.
Example: Look at Rap. Rap recycles old music into newer stuff. Should that be outlawed too?
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Greedo shooting first for example.
And taking out the best songs.
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I've heard that they could POSSIBLY CHANGE the order of the camera crew listing on the end credits.
Mostly unacceptable!!!
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I'd be willing to bet that with decent equipment you could make a pretty good transfer from a LaserDisc and while it might not have the resolution or sound of the new versions it would retain all of the stuff that made the original movies so great.
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But there is a longtime petition site to get the original movies put on Dvd. http://www.originaltrilogy.com/ Check it out...
the theory is that when a jedi dies he comes back in his purest form
Which is exactly what would make the appearance of an 'old' Anakin in ghostly form all the more poignant. If the whole series is indeed the story of Anakin Skywalker, then is not the very consummation at the point where Darth Vader is finally turned by love for his son? Indeed, it is only then, and never before, that Anakin could truly be said to be pure; it was his final redemption before his death - his son saved him.
Sadly, I was wondering which scene he inserted Jesus into rather than marvelling that he would stoop to it.> Blah, when will Lucas get it, we want the origional damn films as shown in theaters, not his revisionist history with all the damn modern FX. Jeezus if South Park is making fun of you you know you are doing something wrong.
Due to word-wrapping in my browser I read that as -
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Perhaps it's because I'm too young to have seen the original movies in theater, but I *like* the newer versions. They have a couple of extra scenes, and they look better. More, better looking Star wars can't be a bad thing? I also think they make some scenes feel more alive, with more people in the background and so on.
There, now you can go ahead and mod me down.
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I think George Lucas sees Star Wars as a mock autobiography of his life, with himself playing Darth Vader. At first, he used to be on the good side of the force. But then he became corrupt with the evils of money, and became more a machine now, twisted and evil.
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I really hope DVDs/SVCDs of the laserdisc version get pushed on popular bittorrent and p2p networks the day this comes out. I'd love to read news articles and talking heads on the news trying to figure this out.
*two local tv anchors on location at a suncoast DVD retailer observing the long line*
"Well Jane, it seems this is one of the most pirated movies in history."
"Yes Tom, the online world has never been shy about co-opting releases."
"True, except they're pirating the version sold in the 80s from something called a 'laserdisc.'"
*confusion ensues as a pasty skined geek grabs Jane's mic*
Fan: "Greedo does NOT shoot first!!!"
*security hauls the fan away*
"What was that about?"
"No idea. What's a greedo? *pause* Don't worry folks he's getting the help he needs."
*back on Skywalker Ranch*
Fan has eyes clipped open while a projector plays the Greedo scene endlessly before him and a small crowd tied to their chairs in a small theater. A tear run downs his cheek as he quietly, in unison with the rest, whispers, "Greedo shoots first. Greedo shoots first. Greedo shoots first."
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having a disco at the end of RoTJ unfortunately won't be erased from living memory on the new DVD ...
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I can only pray that the real George Lucas is dead and has been spinning in his grave for a decade now.
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I enjoyed the star wars films, and while I'm not a huge star wars fan, I was most likely going to pick these up.
Then I read the same bit you quoted.
That's crap. They're complaining in the article that they're not the highest forecasted sellers for this holiday season because it's $70, and blaming it on that. Maybe it has something to do with:
a) not releasing the original versions, the ones that everyone really wants to see and
b) telling them to pay $70, yet refusing to tell them what they're actually getting, so they can "check them out for themselves."
When I buy a DVD, I damn well want to know what I'm getting. Extras are beyond that, but I want to know that the movie I'm buying is the movie that I've seen previously and enjoyed.
LotR is one thing. They have additional scenes on the super fancy-pants versions. But they don't go changing the scenes you've already watched. LotR gave extras that we hadn't seen, ones that we can skip easily with the remote if we decide we don't like them, or even purchase the version that's identical to the theatrical release. With this, we STILL can't buy the theatrical release, and we don't even know if they're changing what we saw in the re-release. That's absolutely ridiculous.
However, given the way that LucasFilm has treated its fans, give it 3-4 years. We'll have the originals, untouched, on DVD, as a super special bonus edition at $90 just to bleed a little more out of those that bought this set. It makes me sad, I remember loving these movies as a kid. However, as a principle, I feel like buying any of these versions now gives LucasFilm validation to fuck with me and take every possible dollar they can out of my wallet. Screw 'em. I like the movies a lot, but they're not my favorites.
I'll miss 'em, but they're not good enough to bend over for.
Look for the extra scenes where they have digitally inserted Jar Jar Binks in. Plus, Jar Jar does a stand up comedy routine in the bar scene in Star Wars ;->
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
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And the brethren went away edified.
... If George Lucas would've learned something from his good friend Steven Spielberg. Make movies, don't muck around with your old ones (well, muck around as little as possible, I'm aware of the E.T. walkie talkies. Something tells me Spielberg didn't put in a fraction of the effort coming up with that.) Do something new every now and then. Take your skills and knowledge and try and tell a good story, maybe even break away from science fiction a bit. I know he had it in him at one point, American Graffiti's a great movie.
But I guess Lucas isn't a director at heart. If he was, he would've directed Empire and Return. He likes his special effects and he's good at them-- the last two movies felt more like advertisements for Industrial Light and Magic than labors of love.
Though to his credit, the Star Wars video games have generally been great... Fun, well-made, darker and more true to the promise of Star Wars than any of the movie's sequels have been.
(No, I didn't call it "Episode IV" or "A New Hope." I still call the first one Star Wars. The eight-year-old me would've wanted it that way.)
b) telling them to pay $70, yet refusing to tell them what they're actually getting, so they can "check them out for themselves." When I buy a DVD, I damn well want to know what I'm getting.
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Is this *such* a big deal? 24h after the release of the box, reviews are going to pop-up on every web site, including
I can understand not liking the non-release of the originals, but complaining about the fact that the content of the box is not yet known is not such an issue. Unless of course you can't wait 24/48h after the initial release, which usually means maximum price tag.
Personnaly, after the years waiting for those movies on dvd, i'll survive long enough for *at least* read reviews...
This post is awesome.
Star wars is fictional, there is no 'dark side'.
:-)
Anakin is a fictional character...
If George had strayed to the dark side, you would be floating in mid air clutching your throat
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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That even with all the caveats about the changes, most people will buy the DVDs. Giving Lucas another $1 billion dollar smash hit, and further shielding him from the truth that most fans, while they consume his movies faithfully, hate them nonetheless.
Lucas's revisionist history really does bother me as a geek.
Here's an interesting question for you. Tolkien published The Hobbit in 1937. When he was writing The Lord of the Rings, he realised that the 'Riddles in the Dark' chapter that he had originally written didn't really fit in with the whole ring mythos of LotR (basically, in the original, Gollum simply gives Bilbo the ring after the riddle contest is won - but of course, we know that there's no way that the ring-consumed Smeagol would have simply handed it over because he couldn't guess a riddle). My question to you is, is that ok? Is that any more or less wrong than Lucas' revisionism?
I think it's a tricky issue. Tolkien alludes to his re-write in the LotR (Bilbo occassionally mentions how he changed his story - cf. 'The Council of Elrond'), whereas Lucas tends to simply re-write the story and erase the previous versions.
Still, I think it asks interesting questions as to whether authorial control can ever be retained once the original text is out in the wilderness.
My four year old gave me a piece of artwork, which was a mess, but great (if you have kids, you'd understand). But the next day he wanted to take it back to make some changes and additions. I accused him of being like George Lucas. He cried.
Does that make me a bad parent?
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
In version 3 of TOT, not only does Han not shoot first, but greedo is arrested by the department of homeland security for no goddamn reason whatsoever. After 45 years of litigation, he is found guilty of making terroristic threats, but the decision is overturned by the ninth circus court of appeals on grounds that his trial was unfair because he's green. After seeing this news on intergalactic TV, Han escapes from his retirement home, finds greedo, and finally shoots him dead with the only weapon remaining in the universe that can still be taken on space vessels - strained peas!
OK, your mention of Jabba in ANH gives me a chance to rant a bit - he shouldn't be in that movie at all. Period. (In my mind, this is worse than the famous Han-shoots-first controversy). Having grown up watching the original movies, having Jabba be this unseen, mysterious figure added to the interest and suspense in the sequels. In ROTJ when he was finally revealed, that was a defining moment in the movies. Showing what he looks like up front in the "first" movie just ruins the ending! Of course, by now everyone on the planet with any remote interest at all knows what Jabba the Hut is and what he looks like, but in my mind his presence early on does nothing but hurt the story.
Jabba didn't look so bad in stills. It was the way the skin moved which ruined the effect. That and the jarring compositing.
The only special edition which was an improvement was Empire.
Other additions in this version:
More Ewoks: An ewok shoots Darth Vader's tie fighter at the end of A New Hope, gives a thumbs-up.
Ewoks kill the wompa in the cave with spears and rocks and a stolen imperial walker, then dance around Luke singing "Yubba Nubba Cubba Chubba."
The Emperor's guard are replaced by ewoks in red capes.
I hear him saying "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him." But then that is from the White Laser Disk.
Essentially, Greedo will take Solo at gun-point to a small room and torture Solo for about five minutes. At the end of this sequence, Solo is able to get an arm free and knocks over a rack of sharp pointy metal rods, which fall on Greedo knocking him out, but otherwise leaving him uninjured.
Solo then gets up, considers shooting Greedo, but then says "No, I cannot shoot you Greedo. That would be decending to the same depths as Jabba the Hutt. One day you will look back on this, on what you did today, and you will be filled with regret and remorse. When that day comes, consider it your punishment, for you will feel so much shame you will wish I had killed you."
With this, he puts back on his loin-cloth and round glasses, and hastily makes his way back to the Millenium Falcon.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Settle down guys, we're all just gonna copy them off Netflix anyways. (Did I just say that out loud?)
As mentioned above, there are 2 versions of each LOTR movie on DVD: the extended version and the regular. Rent/buy the regular versions, and you have what was in the cinema. I can't see what you're whining about.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Sure there is. The originals are supposed to go into the public domain within a "limited time".
The fact that there may be situations where a given work is "lost" just goes to show just how badly broken the current copyright system is.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Completely different kettle of fish here.
First off, there is a very strong rationale for his changes. He documents them fully. It is not in the interests of marketing.
Second, the previous version is still availalbe in print. Some editions of The Hobbit include both chapters so that the reader can make the difference. There has been no active attempt to surpress or prevent the distribution of the original version.
Finally, I'd argue that a popular, visual, commercial medium that is available for a 20 year period because a culturally shared product. I fear that just like people are still trying to rebuild/recreate the original version of Metropolis (Fritz Lang) or The Magnificent Ambersons, down the road a high-resolution version of Star Wars/Empire/ROTJ won't be available and it will be lost to the ages.
Ultimately I find Lucas' and Speilberg's post-editing of their successes to be a sign of self-concious inferiority complexes. Its the equivalent to me of an aging movie star going through plastic surgery, to attempt to prolong their glory days or relive their past success.
John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"